[00:01] <c7p> yes i think
[00:02] <c7p> btw when you get the branch
[00:03] <c7p> the tex file that you ll be working on is under working-with-ubuntu folder (named "using-instant-messaging.tex")
[00:04] <tomswartz07> ok. splendid! Ill pull the branch tonight and ill look over it. perhaps tomorrow ill start in on it?
[00:05] <c7p> it's up to you :)
[00:06] <c7p> also don't misunderstand us if we don't respond to pings, or there isn't anyone in channel talking
[00:07] <tomswartz07> i understand- ive had my irc window open for 5 days now. haha
[00:10] <c7p> hehe we are alike
[00:12] <c7p> i g2g, good night
[00:14] <tomswartz07> goodnight c7p
[00:15] <c7p> see you all
[00:15] <godbyk> See you later, c7p!
[00:36] <tomswartz07> im having trouble making the pdf from source, and i dont quite understand why.
[00:37] <tomswartz07> can anyone verify that the newest bzr sync can be built?
[00:37] <tomswartz07> :~/Documents/ubuntu-manual$ make
[00:37] <tomswartz07> basename: extra operand `frontmatter'
[00:37] <tomswartz07> Try `basename --help' for more information.
[00:37] <tomswartz07> bzr version-info --custom --template="\\\revinfo{{revno}}{{date}}" > revision.tex
[00:37] <tomswartz07> xelatex --output-driver="xdvipdfmx -V 5" main
[00:37] <tomswartz07> /bin/bash: xelatex: command not found
[00:38] <tomswartz07> whoop- this uses xelatex?
[01:53] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Yeah, it requires xelatex.
[01:53] <godbyk> tomswartz07: You'll also want the latest upstream version instead of the Ubuntu packages.
[01:53] <godbyk> (The Ubuntu packages are woefully out of date and incomplete to boot.)
[01:54] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Installation instructions for the upstream TeX Live can be found here: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors#install-texlive
[01:56] <tomswartz07> splendid! thanks! Ill read up on it all
[01:56] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Let me know if you hit any snags.
[01:56] <godbyk> tomswartz07: One gotcha: Make sure that you have the TeX Live installer create the symlinks or you'll regret it. :-)
[02:00] <tomswartz07> ok- i wont get to this till tomorrow, so ill def let you know
[02:00] <godbyk> tomswartz07: No problem. Thanks for your help!
[02:01] <tomswartz07> sure! :)
[12:08] <nisshh> c7p, hey dude
[12:09] <c7p> hey nisshh, how are you ?
[12:10] <nisshh> im good
[12:10] <nisshh> and you?
[12:14] <c7p> fine :)
[12:14]  * c7p sorry for late response, i'm writing an e-mail
[12:15] <nisshh> np
[12:15] <nisshh> just grabbing the code now
[12:15] <c7p> have you looked on what chapter/ section could you work on ?
[12:15] <c7p> ah ok
[12:16] <nisshh> well, you let me know what needs the most attention, ill be happy with that
[12:17] <nisshh> before i stopped working on the manual completely, i was managing the credits and glossary
[12:18] <nisshh> c7p, ^^^
[12:18] <c7p> now i guess i manage credits as i assign the sections
[12:18] <nisshh> godbyk, long time no see :)
[12:18] <nisshh> c7p, yeah, thats cool
[12:18] <c7p> i guess you can work on glossary again
[12:18] <c7p> till now the chapter that i think needs an eye is troubleshooting
[12:18] <nisshh> i would rather the content itself got worked on tbh, atleast right now
[12:19] <nisshh> ok
[12:19] <c7p> if you want to update some sections of the chapter let me know
[12:20] <nisshh> ok
[12:20] <nisshh> can you give me a general idea of how far we are to a complete 11.10 manual?
[12:20] <nisshh> just so i know roughly how much editing is required
[12:21] <c7p> installation chapter is think is almost finished
[12:21] <c7p> and the half ubuntu desktop chapter
[12:21] <c7p> is finished
[12:22] <nisshh> ok
[12:22] <c7p> now that i check again the manual i think getting onlint sections needs rather an editor to make minor changes rather than an author
[12:22] <c7p> online section*
[12:22] <nisshh> yeah
[12:23] <c7p> would you like to handle this section ?
[12:23] <c7p> you may check it first of course
[12:23] <nisshh> tbh, im really happy to just hack away at all of it as an overall editor
[12:24] <nisshh> although i guess focus on one section would be better for now
[12:24] <nisshh> ill start with the getting online chapter
[12:24] <nisshh> then ill do troubleshooting
[12:25] <nisshh> c7p, since i work now i can mostly only work on this on the weekends though
[12:25] <c7p> splendid, let me know how the work goes
[12:25] <nisshh> since i work full time
[12:25] <nisshh> cool.
[12:26] <c7p> ok np
[12:26] <nisshh> although i have time for an hour or two a night usually
[12:26] <nisshh> Rick is the project leader now isnt he?
[12:26] <c7p> contribute whenever you feel better
[12:27] <nisshh> yeah, for sure
[12:27] <c7p> we dont have project leader, rick is the Editor in Chief
[12:27] <nisshh> ah ok
[12:27] <nisshh> is that intentional or just because you dont have one currently?
[12:27] <c7p> i don't know
[12:27] <nisshh> fair enough
[12:28] <nisshh> whats his nick?
[12:28] <c7p> we voted for Editor in Chief before a half year, and there wasn't a need for a leader then -i guess-
[12:28] <c7p> hm
[12:28] <c7p> rickfsb i think
[12:28] <nisshh> ok
[12:28] <nisshh> i might shoot him an email
[12:29] <nisshh> i really want to get this project moving fast again
[12:29] <nisshh> not that it hasnt been :)
[12:29] <c7p> i found Rick's nick is rickfosb
[12:30] <c7p> cool
[12:30] <nisshh> ok
[12:31] <c7p> i hope the section and not chapter assignations would help us to move fast
[12:33] <nisshh> yeah
[12:33] <nisshh> its certainly a good idea
[12:41] <nisshh> far out, id forgotten how darn big tex live is
[12:50] <c7p> hehe
[18:54] <godbyk> hey, nisshh! How's it going?
[21:04] <c7p> hello all
[22:05] <c7p> hey tomswartz07
[22:08] <c7p> hey godbyk
[22:27] <godbyk> hey, c7p.
[22:27] <c7p> what's up ?
[22:29] <godbyk> not too much at the moment.  seems like I'm getting a ton of email today.
[22:30] <godbyk> how's it going with managing all the job applicants?
[22:30] <c7p> very time consuming
[22:30] <c7p> i got to respond to many people :P
[22:30] <c7p> but it goes very good
[22:31] <c7p> UbuntuOne is nice as tool also
[22:32] <c7p> when an author makes changes to a document and he saves them, they are uploaded automatically on the cloud
[22:32] <c7p> and automatically they are downloaded to my local machine
[22:32] <c7p> also a message pops up so i'm also notified
[22:36] <godbyk> Excellent!
[22:37] <godbyk> Hopefully allowing authors this new workflow will make things easier for them.
[22:37] <c7p> yeah i hope so
[22:38] <c7p> we got a mail in spanish ! do you know spanish ?
[22:38] <c7p> it's on the mailing list
[22:39] <c7p> godbyk:  ah i forgot to mention !!!!
[22:39] <c7p> we have to remove some sections from the jobs list
[22:39] <c7p> jobs page *
[22:40] <c7p> the only section with no author is micro blogging
[22:41] <godbyk> I just moderated the message and let it pass through to the mailing list.  I don't know Spanish, but Google Translate said they were offering to help with the manual.  I know we have a number of other Spanish-speaking folks on the mailing list, though, so hopefully they can jump in and help out.
[22:41] <godbyk> c7p: Should I remove them entirely or strike them out with a line (i.e., draw a line through them)?
[22:42] <godbyk> Which sections should I remove/leave on the jobs page?
[22:43] <c7p> i guess you could draw a line
[22:43] <c7p> microblogging only
[22:43] <godbyk> Okay.
[22:43] <c7p> actually and additional software
[22:43] <godbyk> 'kay
[22:44] <godbyk> c7p: http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs  I stuck out 'The Ubuntu Desktop'. Do you like that or would you prefer that I remove them completely?
[22:45] <c7p> i hm
[22:45] <c7p> better remove ?
[22:45] <c7p> btw what if an author quits ?
[22:45] <godbyk> It doesn't make too much difference to me.  Whichever you think is less confusing.
[22:46] <c7p> shouldn't we have a list of available authors ?
[22:46] <c7p> better remove them
[22:46] <godbyk> Hopefully we will have a pool of people waiting to take their place.
[22:46] <godbyk> Okay, I'll remove them.
[22:46] <c7p> maybe you could write something about it on the jobs page
[22:46] <godbyk> c7p: like this? http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs
[22:47] <c7p> cool
[22:47] <c7p> as easy as possible :D
[22:47] <godbyk> When you're emailing the people who are applying, perhaps you should ask if we can contact them to help fill in for an author that has to drop out.
[22:47] <godbyk> Then we can keep their name on a list and contact them if we need them to fill in.
[22:48] <c7p> sure
[22:50] <godbyk> We should probably also have a meeting sometime soon and establish our deadlines for the Oneiric manual.
[22:50] <c7p> what about arranging a meeting this weekend ?
[22:51] <c7p> the goal of it should be to answer the questions of new authors, editors
[22:51] <godbyk> We can try.  I'll be at my parents' house this weekend (lots of birthdays to celebrate), but I can probably attend a meeting.
[22:51] <c7p> and also to set deadlines
[22:51] <godbyk> That's a good idea.
[22:52] <c7p> saturday or sunday, what fits you best ?
[22:52] <godbyk> Should we email Rick and have him set up a poll?
[22:52] <godbyk> Good question, let me check.
[22:52] <c7p> we can
[22:55] <godbyk> I think we'll be having a family dinner Saturday night, but I'm not sure.
[22:56] <c7p> so sunday is better ?
[22:59] <godbyk> Well, Sunday I may be driving back, so it's a bit of a toss-up. :-)
[22:59] <godbyk> We should schedule the meeting whenever it makes the most sense for everyone else to attend.
[22:59] <godbyk> I'll try to be there if I can, but my presence isn't really required. :)
[23:00] <c7p> :) ok
[23:00] <c7p> but new authors have to meet Kevin :D
[23:01] <c7p> nevermind let's hope we will get many people to attend it
[23:01] <c7p> with all these replies to the applicants i forgot to tell Rick about the new way of contribution :(
[23:02] <c7p> i hope he won't be angry on me
[23:02] <godbyk> c7p: Not a problem. I think we had discussed it at a meeting once upon a time.
[23:03] <c7p> ok i feel obliged to send him a mail, i'm composing it
[23:17] <c7p> ok mail sent to Rick
[23:20] <godbyk> 'kay.
[23:25] <c7p> i g2g goodnight
[23:25] <c7p> see you all
[23:26] <godbyk> G'night, c7p.