[14:58] <ara> hello o/
[14:59] <Amoz> hi \o
[14:59] <bladernr> \m/
[15:00] <brendand> hi o/
[15:01] <ara> OK, thanks for coming to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting
[15:01] <ara> let's get started :)
[15:01] <ara> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology`> Meeting started Mon Oct  3 15:01:24 2011 UTC.  The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:01] <ara> The agenda today looks like this:
[15:01] <ara>  * Testing Checkbox 0.12.8 and cleaning up results -- ara
[15:01] <ara>  * AOB
[15:02] <ara> As usual, I would encourage anyone to add topics to the main meeting wiki page:
[15:02] <ara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly/Meetings
[15:02] <ara> #topic  Testing Checkbox 0.12.8 and cleaning up results -- ara
[15:02] <ara> Most of what we were able to do for the client for Ubuntu Friendly is now done and uploaded to Ubuntu as Checkbox 0.12.8. Now is time to test it as much as possible and start tweaking the server based on the results that we get.
[15:03] <cr3> o/
[15:03] <ara> What I think that we need to do:
[15:03] <ara>  * Clean up UF old results (they were made with versions of Checkbox that had too many bugs)
[15:03] <ara>  * Everybody with an Oneiric system, please, use Checkbox 0.12.8 (not the PPA), and run the tests required for Ubuntu Friendly
[15:03] <ara> The idea is to see what numbers are we getting and to see if we need to make changes to the server side.
[15:03] <jedimike> o/
[15:03] <ara> Any comments?
[15:03] <ara> ..
[15:03] <ara> cr3, go ahead, please
[15:03] <cr3> Should we have an objective to get X number of systems with more than one star for the next meeting, where we could agree on X during this meeting?
[15:03] <cr3> ..
[15:03] <ara> jedimike, your turn
[15:03] <ara> o/
[15:03] <cr3> o/
[15:04] <jedimike> I was just going to ask how to make sure I'm running the latest checkbox, as I've been using the ppa in the past
[15:04] <jedimike> ..
[15:05] <ara> OK, to cr3 question, I think we should try to get X number of submissions made with 0.12.8, we cannot guarantee the stars they will get :)
[15:05] <ara> jedimike, if you are running Oneiric, apt-get install checkbox version=0.12.8 should do the trick
[15:05] <ara> ..
[15:05] <ara> cr3, go ahead
[15:05] <cr3> We should probably not be considering any Oneiric results before at least RC, I don't think a development release should be considered friendly.. because they're mostly unfriendly anyways :)
[15:06] <cr3> ..
[15:06] <ara> o/
[15:06] <roadmr> o/
[15:06] <cr3> ara, go ahead :)
[15:06] <jedimike> o/
[15:06] <ara> agree, but I think that we need newer data (and cleaning up old one) so we make sure that 0.12.8 will give good results once 11.10 gets released
[15:06] <ara> ..
[15:07] <ara> roadmr, sir
[15:07] <cr3> o/
[15:07] <roadmr> um, at the *very* least everyone here should be able to submit a more-than-one-star result, all our laptops should work fine by now
[15:07] <roadmr> if not, we'd have to look at why :)
[15:07] <roadmr> ..
[15:07] <ara> jedimike, your turn
[15:08] <brendand> o/
[15:08] <bladernr> o/
[15:08] <jedimike> the reason I'm asking during this meeting is to that it's on record and everyone can be sure they're running the right version of checkbox
[15:08] <jedimike> so, I'm *not* using the ppa, just the default oneiric sources
[15:08] <jedimike> and I've done a full apt-get update and upgrade
[15:09] <jedimike> and apt-get install checkbox version=0.12.8 complains that it can't find that version
[15:09] <jedimike> so I want to make sure the instructions we give here work for people following along :)
[15:09] <jedimike> ...
[15:10] <ara> cr3, I think it is your turn
[15:10] <cr3> ara, I don't understand the purpose of cleaning up the old data, is it to verify that the star systems works? that could be useful for testing purposes, but I think data prior to RC should be removed.
[15:10] <cr3> .
[15:10] <cr3> .
[15:10] <ara> cr3, cleaning up = remove
[15:10] <cr3> ara: ah! thanks for the clarification :)
[15:11] <ara> sorry for the confusion :)
[15:11] <ara> brendand, your turn
[15:11] <brendand> for jedimike, and others listening - one thing you can do is 'dpkg -l | grep checkbox'. The PPA version will have 'bzr' in its version number
[15:13] <brendand> i guess if you've been using the PPA you might need to 'apt-get remove checkbox', then 'apt-get install' again
[15:13] <brendand> ..
[15:13] <ara> bladernr, all yours
[15:13] <bladernr> So assuming that I'm running 0.12.8 (apt-cache on my x201 says I am) and I run the tests and submit, is there anyting I need to do to get my results to appear in UF (and I'm assuming that is the bit.ly link) I've run checkbox and submitted several times but I've never seen my system appear in the UF listings.
[15:13] <bladernr> ..
[15:14] <ara> bladernr, when was the last time you run it?
[15:14] <cr3> bladernr: results tracker updates from launchpad every hour, ubuntu friendly updates from results tracker every hour too, so it should appear within two hours
[15:14] <bladernr> or wherever the site is currently sitting... since the bit.ly link is dead ;-)
[15:14] <bladernr> ara:  it's been a week or two by now... got busy with other things
[15:14] <cr3> crap, I wish the results tracker would show the systems per user: http://107.20.153.224/~bladernr
[15:15] <bladernr> cr3:  that's what I thought, but i never saw it show up in either place...  Oh well, I'll try again today and see what happens.
[15:15] <cr3> who the heck wrote that piece of crap :(
[15:15] <ara> bladernr, is not here: http://107.20.216.30/?desktops=on&laptops=on&stars=1&release=4&popularity=any&term=lenovo ?
[15:15] <jedimike> o/
[15:16] <ara> jedimike, go ahead
[15:16] <bladernr> ara:  oh what do you know... it DID show up
[15:16] <cr3> ara: action item? jedimike, bladernr and I to look into his system?
[15:16] <bladernr> ok... forget what I said, it DID end up in there.  It just wasn't there previously... I swear! :-)
[15:17] <jedimike> I now have checkbox 0.12.8, hurrah! For people who've been using the PPA - you must move it from your sources, apt-get remove checkbox; (this will also uninstall ubuntu-desktop, so don't be surprized by that) and then apt-get install checkbox
[15:17] <jedimike> ..
[15:17] <ara> o/
[15:17] <ara> OK, so couple of action items if you guys agree
[15:18] <ara> #action cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing
[15:18] <meetingology`> ACTION: cr3, jedimike: to remove results, as they are not useful and it is making it impossible to see what's still failing
[15:18] <ara> #action All to submit at least 1 system using checkbox 0.12.8 by next meeting
[15:18] <meetingology`> ACTION: All to submit at least 1 system using checkbox 0.12.8 by next meeting
[15:18] <ara> ..
[15:18] <cr3> o/
[15:18] <ara> cr3, go ahead
[15:19] <cr3> just to be clear, results will not be removed from the results tracker :)
[15:19] <cr3> ..
[15:19] <ara> cr3, cool, thanks for the clarification
[15:20] <jedimike> o/
[15:20] <ara> everybody agrees on the action items, otherwise?
[15:20] <bladernr> 0/
[15:20] <ara> jedimike, go ahead
[15:20] <jedimike> so, the action is for me to remove the current 1-star results from the results tracker, and only import results submitted from current time onwards?
[15:21] <jedimike> ..
[15:21] <ara> jedimike, also the 4.5 one ;-) as brendand cheated a bit on that one :P
[15:21] <jedimike> heh ok
[15:21] <ara> bladernr, your turn
[15:21] <bladernr> could cr3 or jedimike send an e-mail out to the UF list when the purge is complete so we'll know when to start sending (hopefully) legitimate test results in?
[15:21] <bladernr> ..
[15:22] <ara> bladernr, good idea, I guess they could :)
[15:22] <cr3> bladernr: I think legitimate results should happen when we consider oneiric to be legitimate
[15:22] <bladernr> cr3:  semi-legitimate then
[15:22] <ara> cr3, legitimate results as in legitimate for the action item :)
[15:22] <bladernr> or... faux-legitimate
[15:22] <cr3> ok, my brain just leaked
[15:22] <ara> o/
[15:22] <cr3> ara: go ahead
[15:23] <brendand> o/
[15:23] <jedimike> o/
[15:23] <ara> cr3, is it possible to discard submissions that are being done by checkbox < 0.12.8 ?
[15:23] <ara> ..
[15:23] <cr3> ara: nope, client information is not recorded
[15:23] <cr3> ..
[15:23] <ara> cr3, thanks
[15:23] <ara> brendand, your turn
[15:24] <brendand> i'll answer 'no' to bluetooth/file-transfer next time (if it hasn't been removed?)
[15:24] <brendand> ..
[15:25] <jedimike> o/
[15:25] <ara> brendand, it was removed
[15:25] <ara> jedimike, your turn
[15:25] <Amoz> o/
[15:25] <jedimike> there's still a problem with the bluetooth/detect test
[15:25] <jedimike> it fails, and checkbox asks you to submit a bug
[15:25] <brendand> o/
[15:25] <jedimike> looks like the reason it fails is that the bluez-hcidump package isn't installed
[15:26] <jedimike> that shouldn't not be installed if we're running checkbox, surely?
[15:26] <jedimike> I'm submitting a bug report
[15:26] <jedimike> ..
[15:26] <ara> Amoz, your turn
[15:27] <Amoz> shouldn't it save the client and ubuntu versions (beta, RC etc.) so we can look at the actual progress for a new release in terms of UF:ness?
[15:27] <Amoz> ..
[15:27] <ara> brendand, your turn
[15:28] <cr3> o/
[15:28] <brendand> the bluetooth/detect test is just the output of 'hcitool dev'. it doesn't depend on bluez-hcidump. it fails if there is no bluetooth device on the system, which makes sense
[15:28] <brendand> ...
[15:29] <ara> o/
[15:29] <jedimike> o/
[15:29] <ara> cr3, go ahead
[15:30] <cr3> Amoz: UF'ness is a good point but rather complicated to scale for the ubuntu community because it would require recording all the packages installed in order to detect things like packages installed from PPA, etc.
[15:30] <cr3> ..
[15:30] <ara> my turn, I guess
[15:31] <ara> so, to Amoz, that'd be useful but as cr3, it is very difficult to implement. But we might consider it for future versions
[15:31] <cr3> ara: blueprint?
[15:31] <ara> to brendand, jedimike on the detect one
[15:31] <Amoz> o/
[15:32] <jedimike> brendand: I appreciate the test doesn't need hcidump, and when the test fails and it asks me if I want to submit a bug, it asks me to run that command, which isn't installed. It's just confusing that the test is meant to fail if I have no bluetooth hardware, and yet it asks me if I want to submit a bug...
[15:32] <jedimike> Being a fan of ubuntu and wanting to improve it, of course I want to submit a bug
[15:33] <ara> brendand, the test is not meant to be run if the system does not have bluetooth
[15:33] <jedimike> Ah, then that might be the problem, I have no bluetooth hardware and yet the test is running
[15:33] <jedimike> ..
[15:33] <ara> brendand, or if it is meant to be run, then it shouldn't count as failure in UF
[15:33] <ara> brendand, jedimike: let's take this offline
[15:33] <ara> Amoz, your turn, agian
[15:34] <Amoz> to clarify, if checkbox is able to send the info about whether it's beta1/rc/alpha the UF site could just ignore all the versions except the stable ones.
[15:34] <cr3> o/
[15:34] <Amoz> this way everyone can see the big picture, but not cluttering the UF site with development releases
[15:34] <Amoz> ..
[15:34] <ara> cr3, yes, sir
[15:35] <cr3> Amoz: accurately detecting beta1, etc. is very complicated. it can only be determined reliably by comparing the set of packages and their versions to the state of the archive within the delta of the release you're interested in... pain! :)
[15:36] <Amoz> ah, of course. thanks for clarifying that
[15:36] <ara> OK
[15:36] <ara> anything else on this topic?
[15:36] <cr3> Amoz: the best that can accomplished, with meh accuracy, is checking the output of lsb-release for development vs stable or the kernel version... but, as I said, that's "meh" at best
[15:37] <cr3> ..
[15:37] <cr3> Amoz: fyi, that was considered pretty important at some point, so likely to be worked on eventually
[15:38] <ara> cr3, Amoz: the blueprint that might cover those topics is: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/certify-planning/+spec/hardware-p-cert-selftest
[15:38] <cr3> ara: thanks!
[15:39] <ara> anything else on this topic, or shall we move on?
[15:39] <ara> #topic Any Other Business?
[15:40] <ara> Any last minute topic?
[15:40] <ara> OK, let's wrap up then
[15:40] <ara> #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology`> Meeting ended Mon Oct  3 15:40:52 2011 UTC.
[15:40] <meetingology`> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-03-15.01.moin.txt
[15:40] <ara> thanks all!!
[15:40] <roadmr> thanks :)
[15:41] <cr3> o/
[15:41] <cr3> just kidding :)
[16:39] <amithkk> BOOM!
[16:39] <amithkk> wrong tab..
[16:59] <jdstrand> hello
[17:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[17:00] <jjohansen> o/
[17:00] <jdstrand> let's get started
[17:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology`> Meeting started Mon Oct  3 17:00:52 2011 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[17:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[17:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[17:02] <jdstrand> Ubuntu 11.10 is scheduled to release in next week. If you are interested, it would be great if people helped make sure that the [[https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker|Ubuntu CVE Tracker]] is up to date for the devel release (particularly for universe/multiverse packages).
[17:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[17:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[17:02] <jdstrand> this may be a potentially short week for me-- I am attempting to swap this friday for monday
[17:02] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week
[17:03] <jdstrand> I have at least one more MIR security review I need to do (almost done!)
[17:03] <jdstrand> hope to get to my few remaining work items (they aren't tied to the release)
[17:04] <jdstrand> also doing UDS preparation
[17:04] <jdstrand> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseCycle duties
[17:04] <jdstrand> I figured I can take the qrt testing, we'll coordinate outside of this meeting via the wiki like normal
[17:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[17:05] <sbeattie> jdstrand: FYI, I set up the QRT testing wiki page already
[17:05] <mdeslaur> I have a couple of updates ready to go, and will work on testing them this week
[17:05] <mdeslaur> monday, I'm off, because it's Turkey day, or Queen day, or Queen Turkey day, or something
[17:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie: exceelent
[17:05] <mdeslaur> I will also be creating the uds blueprints this week
[17:06] <mdeslaur> I'm also on triage, and kernel workflow duty
[17:06] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[17:06] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're next
[17:07] <sbeattie> I've got a couple of updates that I'm still working on.
[17:07] <sbeattie> I'm also doing UDS prep
[17:07] <sbeattie> As well as QRT testing for oneiric.
[17:08] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me.
[17:08] <sbeattie> micahg: poke.
[17:08] <micahg> Chromium updates (for real this time :)), possibly QRT browser run through for oneiric, patch pilot
[17:09] <micahg> ..
[17:09] <micahg> tyhicks: you're up
[17:09] <jdstrand> oh, I'm patch piloting this week too
[17:09] <tyhicks> I am doing the community role for my first time this week
[17:09] <tyhicks> Outside of learning and carrying out those duties, I'll be working to fix several eCryptfs bugs
[17:10] <tyhicks> jdstrand: That's it for me
[17:10] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:10] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Securi
[17:10] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libphp-jpgraph.html
[17:10] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cowbell.html
[17:10] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnome-subtitles.html
[17:10] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/weechat.html
[17:10] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slim.html
[17:11] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:11] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:12] <sbeattie> tyhicks: congrats on the first USN and on picking up the normal rotation duties!
[17:12] <tyhicks> sbeattie: Thank you!
[17:12] <jdstrand> tyhicks: yes, congratulations!
[17:14] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: congrats!
[17:14] <tyhicks> Now to get much faster at those roles :)
[17:14] <tyhicks> Thanks jdstrand and mdeslaur!
[17:15] <jdstrand> I guess that's it. thanks guys!
[17:15] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:15] <meetingology`> Meeting ended Mon Oct  3 17:15:26 2011 UTC.
[17:15] <meetingology`> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-03-17.00.moin.txt
[17:15] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand