[00:14] <snail> do we have to worry about updating the tz files for this kind of shit, or is there a crack team of geeks somewhere else who does it? http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/5724234/Dateline-shift-gives-first-light-to-remote-atoll
[00:15] <ajmitch> the tzdata package gets frequent updates for this
[00:21]  * ibeardslee recalls major kerfuffle when we changed and it took a while for some apps maintaining their own tz data to catch up
[00:21] <ajmitch> like php5? :)
[00:22] <ajmitch> which thankfully should use the system timezone info now
[00:22] <ibeardslee> I think it may have been php .. could have been postgres though
[00:22] <ajmitch> php was a problem for us
[00:32] <ojwb> tz data seems a particularly dumb thing to ship your own copy off
[00:32] <ojwb> of, even
[00:33] <ibeardslee> yeap .. but the exclusivity of dumb is not limited to politicians
[00:34] <ajmitch> ojwb: given that I was talking about php, are you surprised?
[01:04] <snail> ojwb: i'd consider shipping my own tz data if i had to support windows platforms ~ 15 years ago
[01:05] <ojwb> that's OK, timezones aren't likely to change for 15 years ago
[01:33] <snail> ojwb: I always heard people say 'the past is a different country' but never considered the implications...
[02:30] <ojwb> "We are currently working on PBT Transport e-services and expect them to be released in 2008." it says on their website
[02:32] <ibeardslee> heh .. their tz data is waaayyy out of whack
[02:42] <ajmitch> some people just take a little while to catch up :)
[02:47] <snail> ojwb: fax them a screenshot...
[02:47] <ojwb> not until they make my delivery
[02:47] <ojwb> I'm holding the screenshot ransom
[02:54]  * ojwb seems to be really bad at getting stuck into things when there's a pending delivery or someone coming round at a non-specific time
[03:01] <mwhudson> ojwb: i don't know how people who don't have flexible work arrangements ever take delivery of anything
[03:01] <ojwb> if it's small, we tend to just send it to jenny's work and reception sign for it
[03:02] <ojwb> that way I don't need to listen out all day
[03:02] <ojwb> i'd certainly be more annoyed if I had to take leave to wait for a delivery which didn't turn up
[03:03] <chilts> when I got home on Friday, my parcel from Amazon was sitting on the doorstep :)
[03:03] <chilts> no need to be at home
[03:04] <mwhudson> heh yes, i had that happen with my thinkpad
[03:04] <mwhudson> i wasn't very impressed
[03:05] <chilts> this was just two books so not worth worrying much about, but yeah, a laptop is a different story
[03:06] <ojwb> and that's one of the neighbouts, not the courier
[18:12] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:29] <chilts> morning
[19:17] <snail> those four disconnects bought to you courtesy of our tuesday morning change window
[19:23] <ajmitch> morning
[20:45] <ojwb> morning
[20:55] <Atamira> morena