[00:09] <qman__> system services should run as nonprivileged users without access to important information, that's just basic security principles
[00:10] <qman__> ventrilo doesn't have the best security reputation either, so I'd suggest following that convention here
[00:12] <qman__> and if the server does anything else important, I'd look into jailing it
[02:52] <tawhid111> hi all
[02:57] <lickalott> hi
[03:02] <tawhid111> hi lickalott
[05:56] <Havlock> Anybody else having a problem with sysctl.conf being ignored on bootup?
[05:57] <Havlock> 'Cause kernel.printk is defaulting to "15 4 1 7" and spamming my console with every logged message.
[05:58] <Havlock> Even with kernel.printk set to "4 4 1 7" in my sysctl.conf file.
[05:59] <Havlock> I have to manually run 'sysctl -p' after every boot if I want to use my console.
[06:39] <bookpage> is there a way to emulate something for $display on a virt?
[06:44] <twb> bookpage: I don't understand the question
[06:51] <bookpage> if im running ubuntu in a virutliased environment, is there any way that i can set something to the $display variable? I was hoping that VNC output or something could be assigned to it, but im really clueless at the moment
[06:51] <bookpage> sorry, twb
[06:52] <twb> Uh, $DISPLAY (uppercase) is used to locate the X display, but servers do not normally run X.
[06:52] <twb> Your VM might provide a virtual screen or serial console to the guest OS, and export that to the users as a VNC session or similar, but the guest will just see the emulated environment -- you need to talk to your VM vendor about that.
[06:53] <bookpage> hmm, can X be placed ONTO a server after twb?
[06:53] <twb> Personally I would recommend doing a little extra configuration and learning to use the serial interface, because then you can access it in a terminal instead of wasting bandwidth on a VNC display that only shows text anyway -- as a bonus, you can also copy-and-paste out of a serial line.
[06:53] <twb> bookpage: it can, but we don't recommend it.
[06:54] <bookpage> I see, it's not a matter of things being convenient, the bandwidth would likely be local so it would be free.... it's that i want to run things in d3d that require $DISPLAY to be set
[06:54] <bookpage> and why wouldn't you recommend it twb?
[06:55] <bookpage> and also, does X usually use a GPU or can does it emulate one, twb
[06:55] <twb> Because GUIs don't belong on servers, and sysadmins that rely on GUIs to do their job, are crap sysadmins.
[06:55] <bookpage> twb, I see, well yeah again, it's not to make things easier, it's for a purpose i wish to satisfy... I prefer ssh over vnc
[06:56] <twb> What purpose is that?
[06:56] <bookpage> to run d3d applications which will be captured to video
[06:57] <twb> d3d?
[06:57] <bookpage> ummm, direct 3d... via wine
[06:57] <twb> Sorry, I don't support Windows stuff
[06:57] <bookpage> wine is linux, and it uses opengl to emulate windows d3d
[06:58] <twb> But if your goal is just to make captures, you could use the virtual fb driver for X
[06:58] <twb> So it exists but isn't rendered anywhere except when you run e.g. "import -window root screenshot.png"
[06:58] <twb> bookpage: I don't support wine either.
[06:58] <bookpage> twb: thanks for your help
[06:59] <twb> I think it's called Xvfb, I can't really remember
[08:02] <lynxman> morning o/
[08:10] <jamespage> morning all
[08:10] <jamespage> morning lynxman
[08:11] <lynxman> jamespage: hey :)
[08:11] <jamespage> lynxman: back in the UK?
[08:11] <lynxman> jamespage: yeah! glad to be back in this side of the Atlantic
[08:12] <jamespage> puppetconf then sprint?
[08:12] <lynxman> jamespage: exactly
[08:13] <VampsDaBeast> any one any software that would allow me to graphically edit my metamodes?
[08:14] <VampsDaBeast> ahh crap.. wrong channel sorry
[08:18] <bookpage> is there a good clean public and current ubuntu AMI on ec2?
[08:19] <smw> bookpage, cloud.ubuntu.com/ami
[08:19] <bookpage> ty smw
[08:20] <smw> bookpage, if you google "ubuntu ami", the first result is the wiki which mentions that page and even has that link in the summary in google. The second link is the actual page I gave you.
[08:21] <smw> It is not exactly hidden ;-)
[08:57] <bookpage> oh, sorry smw
[09:04] <bookpage> maybe a silly question, but can you startx if there is no screen?
[09:10] <nigelb> Is it an aws thing to have /usr/bin/gconftool --get /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy run every day.
[09:10] <nigelb> I've set sudo to mail me everyday and I see this on all the servers
[09:10] <nigelb> I'm fairly sure its not something I've set
[09:16] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:18] <udienz> hi koolhead11
[09:18] <koolhead11> udienz: hello
[09:19] <lynxman> koolhead17: hey o/
[09:19] <koolhead17> hey lynxman, how are you?
[09:25] <jamespage> Daviey, zul: bah - nova-common borkes on a clean install ATM
[09:29] <koolhead17> jamespage: hey
[09:29] <jamespage> morning koolhead17
[09:29] <jamespage> how are you today
[09:29] <koolhead17> jamespage: am good. not trying diablo on oneiric though :)
[09:30] <koolhead17> ATM :)
[09:32] <lynxman> koolhead17: good, recovering from jet lag :)
[09:33] <koolhead17> lynxman: hehe. am recovering too from 600 km bike ride :P
[09:34] <lynxman> koolhead17: holy molly, were you doing the Tour de France? ;)
[09:34] <koolhead17> lynxman: on motorbike :P
[09:35] <lynxman> koolhead17: aaah :D
[09:36] <koolhead17> Does anyone faced "gpg: keyserver timed out " error?
[09:36] <koolhead17> because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7D21C2EC3D1B4472
[09:36] <koolhead17> am adding key for this
[10:20] <linocisco> hi
[10:21] <linocisco> how to email sync ?
[10:33] <RoyK> qman__: ping
[10:42] <KM0201> pong.
[10:43] <xiexie> hi all
[10:43] <xiexie> how could I know if inetd running?
[10:44] <Tm_T> xiexie: run "ps aux | grep inet" in terminal, I assume it would tell if such process is running or not
[10:45] <xiexie> ps -e?
[10:46] <Tm_T> I suppose that would work too
[10:48] <xiexie> okay, thanks
[10:59] <jamespage> Daviey, smoser, zul: review of http://tinyurl.com/629w7wf much appreciated when you get a chance
[11:11] <Daviey> jamespage: hey
[11:12] <smoser> jamespage, previously find would have exited failure with no files found ?
[11:16] <jamespage> smoser: the filtering clause on the find bits is user = nova and (group = nogroup or group = root)
[11:17] <jamespage> so when you get a fresh install its permissions are root:root
[11:17] <jamespage> so they don't get set at-all
[11:17] <jamespage> and it falls over in a heap
[11:18] <jamespage> the piece that fails is actually the db sync call at the bottom - as nova-api can't create the sqlite database
[11:19] <smoser> ah.
[11:19] <smoser> yeah.
[11:25] <jamespage> I had that moment as well
[11:45] <koolhead17> RoyK: hwy
[11:46] <jamespage> zul, smoser, Daviey: you guys OK if I push that fix?
[11:46] <RoyK> ehlo
[11:50] <smoser> jamespage, i'm good with that.
[11:55] <jamespage> smoser: ack - doing it now
[11:55] <koolhead17> Daviey: hello
[11:59] <kaushal> Hi
[11:59] <kaushal> is there a way to know number of HDD attached to a server ?
[11:59] <kaushal> for example 1000 servers
[13:38] <koolhead17>  can someone tell me what was the last revision before keystone got integrated with dashboard?
[13:38] <koolhead17> last revision == on launchpad
[13:39] <koolhead17> Am not able to find it after checking the revision logs :(
[14:34] <robbiew> Daviey: around?
[14:34] <robbiew> quick question
[14:37] <robbiew> Daviey: nevermind, I'll just subscribe you to the bug...it's trivial (non-code relateD)
[14:38] <robbiew> kim0: I'll finish my article today...how do you want me to answer the questions?
[14:38] <robbiew> I can just reply to the comments on cloud.u.c
[14:39] <kim0> robbiew: yeah .. if you think a question is good enough .. take it to the article .. but many questions are not really relevant .. for those you can reply in a comment otherwise I can try to reply
[14:39] <kim0> robbiew: Thanks a lot .. I really appreciate it :)
[14:40] <robbiew> kim0: yeah...I've only seen 1 or 2 so far
[14:42] <kim0> robbiew: others may still come .. the US is still waking up :)
[14:42] <robbiew> indeed
[15:44] <Olotila> RoyK, I got the server installed
[15:45] <Olotila> and there was difference between usb and cd install, even when there *should* not be :)
[15:45] <Olotila> i think it messed usb boot, but left hd boot intact
[15:45] <Olotila> did not boot server
[15:46] <Olotila> i fixed boot with cd
[15:46] <Olotila> now it works
[15:46] <Olotila> But now I cannot install Adaptec 6805E drivers
[15:46] <Olotila> Ubuntu server x64 10.04 LTS
[15:48] <Olotila> starts to install
[15:48] <Olotila> reading database ...
[15:48] <Olotila> unpacking aacraid ...
[15:48] <Olotila> ...installation started ... No driver found
[15:49] <Olotila> No driver *archive found
[16:14] <barcef> how do i install aufs-tools? it says it doesn;t exist in the repos.
[16:15] <RoyK> Olotila: oh - I think I've seen that, grub messing up and installing itself to the usb stick instead of the drive
[16:17] <RoyK> barcef: what's aufs-tools?
[16:17] <barcef> RoyK, dunno but it's a dependency of a package that I'm trying to install
[16:18] <RoyK> http://packages.debian.org/sid/aufs-tools
[16:18] <RoyK> but I can't find it in ubuntu
[16:19] <SpamapS> RoyK: existed in hardy, not in lucid, in maverick - present
[16:19] <RoyK> barcef: what are you trying to install?
[16:20] <barcef> dtc-common
[16:20] <SpamapS> RoyK: probably got dropped for some reason
[16:21] <barcef> should I just add http.us.debian.org/debian to my repos?
[16:21] <barcef> will it break somethign?
[16:21] <RoyK> probably :P
[16:21] <Pici> Most likely.
[16:21] <barcef> it will probably break something?
[16:21] <Olotila> here is output of driven installation output
[16:21] <Olotila> http://pastebin.com/hUxNWzLG
[16:21] <RoyK> barcef: install the package from source
[16:22] <barcef> RoyK,  is that where i have to do that 'make install' stuff?
[16:22] <RoyK> Olotila: someone pasted a link to the downloadable drivers from adaptec yesterday
[16:22] <RoyK> barcef: bingo :)
[16:23] <barcef> RoyK,  damn, i hate doing that.
[16:24] <RoyK> barcef: you get used to it :)
[16:25] <RoyK> barcef: the alternative is to use a VM with hardy
[16:28] <barcef> RoyK, I keep running into squeeze binaries(.deb). I can't seem to find the source.
[16:28] <RoyK> what does this software do, btw_
[16:28] <RoyK> ?
[16:29] <barcef> RoyK, the dtc-common? or the aufs tools?
[16:29] <RoyK> http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc_5download.html
[16:30] <RoyK> there's a description there on how to make a debian package, which should work well on ubuntu as well
[16:31] <RoyK> but dunno if it might work
[16:31] <RoyK> may have unresolvable dependencies...
[16:31] <Olotila> RoyK, seems I have the latest driver AACRAID Debian and Ubuntu Driver v1.1.7-28000
[16:31] <Olotila> If that was the point?
[16:31] <RoyK> Olotila: but do your disks show up?
[16:32] <Olotila> I do not have yet disks attached
[16:32] <RoyK> I guess that's a place to start, then :)
[16:35] <Olotila> yeah, after I solve backup problem described here :
[16:35] <Olotila> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274015-14-external-usb3-drive-shows-devices#t1878747
[16:36] <Olotila> arg, use the link without #t1878747
[16:36] <RoyK> no idea about that - it's windows, right?
[16:37] <Olotila> shows in bios
[16:37] <Olotila> DBAN helps neither
[16:37] <RoyK> then it's a firmware thing on that usb drive enclosure
[16:37] <Olotila> I think so too
[16:37] <RoyK> some have that to help PCs having problems with >2TB drives
[16:37] <Olotila> but dont have tools to change that
[16:38] <RoyK> Olotila: disassemble the enclosure and plug the drive on SATA :P
[16:38] <Olotila> dont want to void the warranty
[16:38] <RoyK> well, it's not a linux thing
[16:39] <RoyK> if you want to, you can span those 'drives' with lvm
[16:39] <RoyK> that'll create a single logical volume
[16:39] <Olotila> at this point I would be happy to get back to factory settings :)
[16:39] <RoyK> Olotila: there might even be a way to disable it
[16:40] <RoyK> what make/label?
[16:40] <Olotila> Verbatim 3TB usb3
[16:40] <adam_g> lynxman: ping
[16:40] <lynxman> adam_g: pong
[16:40] <Olotila>  model # 47662
[16:41] <RoyK> Olotila: seems something at Verbatim must have been smoking something...
[16:42] <adam_g> lynxman: hey! were you gonna update that FFE Bug #854899 to security fix? it looks like debian has updated
[16:42] <Olotila> RoyK, heh yeah
[16:42] <adam_g> lynxman: (puppet)
[16:42] <lynxman> adam_g: was just pushing to my branch right now
[16:42] <lynxman> adam_g: just this second :)
[16:42] <adam_g> lynxman: sweet!
[16:42] <lynxman> adam_g: yeah about to upload new packages to the ppa too in 2 mins
[16:45] <RoyK> Olotila: I'd keep it as it is and just use LVM to span it
[16:45] <RoyK> Olotila: no warranty issues, and if the drive dies, both will probably die at once, so no bigger chance of data loss either
[16:58] <Daviey> robbiew: hola
[16:59] <robbiew> Daviey: how's the summit?
[16:59] <Daviey> robbiew: fyi the net connection at ODS is less than adequate.
[16:59] <Daviey> robbiew: Going well, many people seem to have prepaired well.
[17:02] <robbiew> Daviey: groovy...glad our demo doesn't depend on an external net connection then ;)
[17:03] <Daviey> hah
[17:04] <lynxman> how did the demo go?
[17:05] <lynxman> or not yet
[17:10]  * jamespage eod
[17:10] <Olotila> RoyK sorry connection died
[17:11] <RoyK> k
[17:11] <Olotila> cant even nuke the drive anymore
[17:11] <Olotila> or make a non-quick format
[17:11] <RoyK> Olotila: can you access the partitions from linux?
[17:12] <RoyK> Olotila: cat /proc/partitions
[17:12] <RoyK> (not from windoze)
[17:12] <Olotila> I can try that
[17:12] <Olotila> what if I can?
[17:12] <Olotila> I have tried tools in Ultimate Boot CD
[17:12] <Olotila> great stuff
[17:13] <RoyK> erm - are you using windows to access this drive?
[17:13] <RoyK> or - is that the plan?
[17:13] <RoyK> if so - please ask somewhere else
[17:13] <Olotila> both systems
[17:13] <RoyK> then you're probably stuck with two 'drives'
[17:13] <Olotila> but np, I did not want to specifically bother this channel with that issue
[17:15] <RoyK> windoze can create a filesystem spanning both, and so can linux, but windows doesn't understand LVM and I doubt you can make linux understand the windows volume manager - some have tried and AFAIK some have succeded, but YMMV
[17:15] <RoyK> Olotila: did you try to connect some drives to that aacraid thing?
[17:15] <Olotila> once intel ssd
[17:16] <Olotila> but now i realize the sas cable was not properly attached
[17:16] <Olotila> so actually not
[17:16] <RoyK> iirc aacraid controllers doesn't show shit until you create a logical volume
[17:16] <Olotila> yeah
[17:16] <Olotila> that what it says in boot
[17:17] <Olotila> could that be the reason it doesnt install driver ?
[17:17] <Olotila> no drives attached
[17:17] <RoyK> as for SSD, I don't know if the aacraid controllers support TRIM
[17:17] <RoyK> sounds reasonable
[17:17] <Olotila> manual says "install drivers to all OSs before creating array"
[17:17] <RoyK> no reason to have a driver around with nothing to do
[17:18] <Olotila> the intel ssd does not either
[17:18] <Olotila> its the gen 1
[17:18] <RoyK> x25-m or something?
[17:18] <Olotila> yeah
[17:19] <Olotila> not gonna be in raid
[17:19] <Olotila> just system disk
[17:19] <RoyK> I'd recommend against using an SSD for system disk
[17:19] <RoyK> better use a couple of old, cheap spinning drives in a mirror
[17:19] <Olotila> been thinking using it as ssd cache for raid
[17:19] <RoyK> the root partition is hardly written to except logs, and is hardly read from
[17:19] <Olotila> not sure yet, would have to study more
[17:19] <RoyK> does linux support that yet?
[17:20] <Olotila> ssd cache?
[17:20] <RoyK> I thought ZFS was about the only open solution to support that
[17:20] <Olotila> well, like I said, would have to study that more
[17:21] <Olotila> now i would be happy to get the drivers installed as the manual says
[17:21] <RoyK> I really doubt neither linux nor the controller supports caching on ssd
[17:21] <RoyK> well, create a logical drive on the SSD
[17:21] <RoyK> from the controller's bios
[17:22] <RoyK> Olotila: if you want to use an SSD for caching, use something like OpenIndiana - native ZFS rocks
[17:22] <RoyK> but then, the RAID controller is a waste of money
[17:22] <RoyK> since ZFS generally does that better
[17:23] <Olotila> guess gonna stick to pure spinning disk raid for now
[17:24] <Olotila> ssd cache seems to be just hyping atm
[17:24] <Olotila> "hybrid raid"
[17:24] <RoyK> Olotila: I have this fileserver with some 14TB net storage across 28 mirrored 1TB drives and some SSDs for caching, but read and write, and it rocks!
[17:24] <Olotila> ok :)
[17:24] <RoyK> not linux, though
[17:25] <RoyK> it's only on 1Gbps, so that's what limits bandwidth...
[17:26] <patdk-wk> heh, played with zfs on ubuntu
[17:26] <patdk-wk> it works, but well, not very good
[17:26] <RoyK> patdk-wk: any SLOG/L2ARC support on zfs-fuse?
[17:26] <patdk-wk> dunno about zfs-fuse
[17:26] <patdk-wk> never used it
[17:27] <RoyK> oh - native zfs on linux?
[17:27] <patdk-wk> yep
[17:27] <RoyK> patdk-wk: the zfs in ubuntu (apt-get install zfs) is fuse
[17:27] <patdk-wk> apt-get install ubuntu-zfs I think it is
[17:27] <patdk-wk> have it in a esx vm
[17:28] <RoyK> afaik the only zfs in ubuntu is using fuse
[17:28] <RoyK> native zfs won't go into ubuntu for obvious reasons - different license
[17:28] <patdk-wk> https://launchpad.net/~zfs-native/+archive/stable
[17:28] <patdk-wk> looks fine to me
[17:29] <RoyK> does that come with a posix layer?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> comes with zpool, zfs, ...
[17:29] <RoyK> k
[17:30] <RoyK> guess I'll try that some day I'm bored :P
[17:30] <RoyK> patdk-wk: how did it work 'not very well'?
[17:30] <RoyK> crashes or performance issues or what?
[17:30] <patdk-wk> just performance
[17:31] <patdk-wk> seem to have random pauses
[17:31] <patdk-wk> might of been esx though
[17:31] <patdk-wk> going give it a spin when I get my motherboard
[17:31] <patdk-wk> before I install oi on it
[17:31] <RoyK> k
[17:32] <RoyK> Olotila: if you want to try zfs, google for openindiana - it's an open fork for opensolaris after oracle closed the source tap
[17:33] <Olotila> I'll check that out, thanks
[17:34] <RoyK> Olotila: just remember it's not linux, so a few things are different.....
[17:34] <patdk-wk> heh, well everything :)
[17:34] <RoyK> well, quite a lot of userspace is GNU
[17:36] <maswan> there is also the option of debian/kfreebsd for zfs, if you want to have something that's a bit more similar. don't know how new/old zfs version that is vs openindiana though
[17:38] <RoyK> maswan: or just freebsd...
[17:39] <RoyK> tbh, I think freebsd might be a good choice for zfs, at least looking over some nasty i/o timeout handling in OI/Illumos that has surfaced lately
[17:40] <patdk-wk> hmm, I can't locate any iscsi boot nics that aren't server grade class
[17:40] <patdk-wk> just want some to throw in some desktops
[17:40] <patdk-wk> it looks like I will have to live with pxe iscsi boot
[17:40] <RoyK> patdk-wk: probably because most iSCSI boot is meant for servers :P
[17:41] <RoyK> patdk-wk: but are they really that expensive? I thought you could get those for $100 or so
[17:41] <patdk-wk> na, these all have iscsi offload stuff too, don't need all that, just boot :)
[17:41] <patdk-wk> not that I can locate
[17:41]  * RoyK doubts anyone will add iSCSI boot without offload
[17:41] <patdk-wk> I want a pcie x1 low profile nic
[17:42] <patdk-wk> all I can find are dual and quad port server nics
[17:42] <RoyK> afaik most of those are dual+
[17:42] <RoyK> but they should come in low profile...
[17:43] <RoyK> but 1x may be more difficult
[17:46] <patdk-wk> $135 for intel i350 dual port x4 card
[17:47] <RoyK> sounds reasonable
[17:47]  * RoyK is waiting for an AOC-SAT2-MV8 to setup a home server :P
[17:48] <RoyK> cost me some $35 - not very fast, but stable.....
[17:48] <patdk-wk> yep
[17:48] <patdk-wk> should be fast enough
[17:48] <patdk-wk> 600MB/sec
[17:48] <RoyK> yeah, even with only 32bit PCI
[17:48] <RoyK> the network is likely to be the limit anyway
[17:49] <patdk-wk> what? 32bit?
[17:49] <patdk-wk> my home server is 3 of those, quad gigabit, and 2 20g infiniband
[17:49] <patdk-wk> limited by the pcix backplanes, to about 1400MB/sec usable
[17:49] <RoyK> the card is PCI-X, but my box only has PCI slots, which isn't a big deal, since PCI-X is compatible with PCI (given you have place for the rest of the board to hang dangling)
[17:50] <patdk-wk> givin the card is 5v compatable
[17:50] <RoyK> patdk-wk: heh - I don't have that sort of home network/server, neither do I need it ;)
[17:50] <patdk-wk> but it's cheap to just get a pcix motherboard
[17:50] <RoyK> I'll try this one first
[17:50] <patdk-wk> I'm annoyed at my current one, that only gets 200MB/sec
[17:51] <RoyK> on pci-x??
[17:51] <patdk-wk> no, pcie x8's
[17:51] <patdk-wk> it only has dual gigabit though
[17:51] <patdk-wk> and the drives need to be redone
[17:52] <RoyK> 200MB/s is about the bandwidth you can expect with 32bit PCI 2.1
[17:52] <patdk-wk> no it's not
[17:52] <patdk-wk> 100MB/sec is the max over 32bit pci
[17:52] <patdk-wk> 32bit 133mhz
[17:53] <RoyK> 132MB/s theoretical over 32bit 33MHz
[17:53] <patdk-wk> ya, 33mhz, heh, I'm still on pcix :)
[17:53] <RoyK> PCI 2.1 is 66MHz
[17:53] <RoyK> and has been the standard for 10ish years
[17:53] <patdk-wk> well, I can say then, nothing I have ever used did pci 2.1 correctly then
[17:53] <patdk-wk> I know all my motherboards supported it
[17:54] <patdk-wk> but I always capped out at 100MB/sec
[17:54] <patdk-wk> 50MB/sec using nic+disk
[17:54] <RoyK> if the (or one of them?) controller card doesn't support 66MHz, the bus will clock down
[17:54] <patdk-wk> found a single port, iscsi, pcie lp on ebay, but it's still x4 :(
[17:55] <RoyK> get a new mobo :P
[17:55]  * RoyK echos patdk-wk 
[17:55] <patdk-wk> hehe
[17:55] <patdk-wk> it's embedded systems, not that easy
[17:55] <patdk-wk> have two slots, x16 used by video card, x1 empty
[17:55] <patdk-wk> use them for mythtv frontends :)
[17:55] <RoyK> guess you're stuck with pxe then...
[17:56] <patdk-wk> it adds boot lag though :(
[17:56] <RoyK> how often do you boot?
[17:56] <patdk-wk> once a day
[17:57] <RoyK> so, say 20secs boot lag, that's 20 out of 86400 - rather low :D
[17:57] <patdk-wk> hell, I should just throw my fc card in it
[17:57] <RoyK> 1x FC card?
[17:57] <patdk-wk> nope :)
[17:58] <RoyK> RS/232 to FC adaptor?
[17:58] <patdk-wk> that works
[17:58] <RoyK> probably faster with an SD card for the root, though
[17:59] <patdk-wk> I did usb stick for root, for a while, was painful
[18:00] <RoyK> well, with infiniband and fibrechannel at home, you should whine somewhere else :P
[18:00] <patdk-wk> heh
[18:01] <patdk-wk> it's only 2g fc
[18:01] <patdk-wk> but then the fc tape drive only goes 70MB/sec
[18:01] <RoyK> almost like poverty - I can understand...
[18:02] <patdk-wk> well, I need it
[18:02] <patdk-wk> I can't well tell people, here, buy and install this stuff, no I personally have no idea how to use it, or if it will work
[18:03] <patdk-wk> plus, when there are issues, and it's possible, it's nice to bring it home, and test it
[18:03] <patdk-wk> that is what I got the fc stuff for
[18:03] <patdk-wk> the infiniband was for proof of concept, and cause well, 10g ethernet costs too much
[18:03] <RoyK> more than IB?
[18:04] <patdk-wk> 10g ethernet is like double or triple the price of IB
[18:04] <patdk-wk> cheapest 10g switchs start at 3k
[18:04] <RoyK> how much do you pay for a 24-port IB switch giving you ~10Gbps?
[18:04] <patdk-wk> $350
[18:04] <patdk-wk> cisco topspin 120, dual psu's and managed
[18:04] <RoyK> used or new?
[18:04] <patdk-wk> used
[18:05] <patdk-wk> there are no used 10g ethernets
[18:05] <patdk-wk> and I don't need new for home
[18:05] <RoyK> a 24-port 10gE is close to $1k, or a bit more from cisco
[18:06] <patdk-wk> what model?
[18:06] <jhobbs> where are you finding 24-port 10gig switches for $1k?
[18:07] <patdk-wk> I'm thinking 24gig ports, and options to install 2 10gige
[18:07] <jhobbs> yeah, the two sfp's would be about $1k ;)
[18:07] <patdk-wk> ya
[18:07] <RoyK> supermicro/dell switches cost some $1k, perhaps $1k5 for a 24-port gigE - same switch - from Delta Electronics
[18:08] <RoyK> eeeeeerm
[18:08] <RoyK> not 1k
[18:08] <RoyK> 10k
[18:08] <RoyK> decimal error
[18:08] <patdk-wk> ya, 10k, 10gig ethernet totally out of price range
[18:08] <patdk-wk> I can get 40gig IB for cheaper
[18:08] <koolhead17> hello all
[18:09] <patdk-wk> cisco 12port 10g, 3560E-12D, $13k
[18:09] <RoyK> cisco generally costs a wee bit more...
[18:09] <patdk-wk> yep
[18:09] <patdk-wk> I find netgear business switchs to be good personally
[18:10] <patdk-wk> have about 8 of them, only the poe models have ever died on me
[18:10] <patdk-wk> I now use external poe piggyback switchs
[18:10] <RoyK> probably rebranded from delta or something
[18:10] <patdk-wk> nope
[18:10] <RoyK> I know for certain that most of netgear's stuff is OEM
[18:11] <patdk-wk> the two issues I had with netgear, they have fixed in the firmware
[18:12] <RoyK> they do the firmware, or have good contacts with the producer, but they don't make hardware
[18:21] <patdk-wk> man, launchpad i386 build servers are busy today :(
[18:22] <patdk-wk> 6h delay currently :(
[18:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> patdk-wk:  they're working on building the packages for the 11.10 release arent they
[18:22] <koolhead17> :(
[18:23] <patdk-wk> dunno, no delay on amd64
[18:24] <patdk-wk> glad I am not building lpia stuff anymore, 27hour delay
[18:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[18:39] <GTRsdk> how do I setup a server that serves files to my PlayStation and other computers on the network?
[18:46] <RoyK> GTRsdk: afaik, there's no official release, but http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/ works well
[18:47] <RoyK> GTRsdk: that is, that software works, but isn't under the ubuntu hat
[18:48] <GTRsdk> RoyK, I just need to be able to connect to the server via web browser and download files, but not have the files on the server searchable via Google (or similar)
[18:52] <RoyK> GTRsdk: there are several web browsers available for ubuntu - the ps3mediaserver is a media server that is recognized by ps3 automatically
[18:52] <RoyK> s/web browsers/web servers/
[18:52] <RoyK> if you just need a webserver, install apache or something
[19:00] <GTRsdk> RoyK, I just need the files to be downloaded, like how a ftp server can let people download files on a simple UI
[19:09] <jamespage> zul: around?  having trouble reconciling the packaging branch for nova with what's currently in the oneiric archive - patches appear to be different
[19:10] <jamespage> hmm - looks like not - maybe Daviey or smoser might be able to help ^^
[19:13] <RoyK> I read there's GTRsdk both apache or some other web server, or some ftp server like ncftpd can do that
[19:13] <RoyK> sorry - both apache or some other web server, or some ftp server like ncftpd can do that
[19:15] <ikonia> if you want your play station 3 to play media you need a unpnp player
[19:17] <ikonia> upnp even
[19:17] <RoyK> ikonia: no reason for that if you're on the same lan
[19:18] <ikonia> there is if you want the ps3 to be able to browse and play the media files as part of it's media player
[19:18] <ikonia> I don't care really, what you want to do
[19:19] <RoyK> ikonia: ps3mediaserver works will out of the box - beleive me
[19:19] <ikonia> that's not a web server
[19:19] <ikonia> it's a upnp server
[19:19] <RoyK> upnp is for opening ports in a firewall
[19:19] <RoyK> without a firewall in between, there shouldn't be a problem
[19:20] <ikonia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play
[19:20] <ikonia> it's not for a firewall
[19:20] <ikonia> that's actually not a bad description
[19:21] <ikonia> for once wikipedia actually has a reasonable description, shock horror
[19:21] <RoyK> I thought ps3 used SLP or something sane
[19:21] <ikonia> I've only seen it work happy with upnp
[19:21] <ikonia> anyway, what ever you feel is best
[19:23] <RoyK> I guess the reason SSDP doesn't use SLP is that's it's written by fscking mickysoft
[19:23] <RoyK> I mean - SLP is sane and simple
[19:24] <ikonia> or "microsoft" as we call it in the grown up world
[19:24] <RoyK> every time someone makes a good protocol, microsoft just has to make a new, and irrecoverable worse one
[19:25] <RoyK> ikonia: there's a perfectly good reason to name them mickysoft - stuff that comes from that house, like upnp or pptp or - well - anything - seems to lack support from anything but internal closed-source binaries from themselves
[19:26] <ikonia> RoyK: there is no reason to call them stupid names,
[19:28] <RoyK> ikonia: I must say there is. Any software house that lives on due to defunct, proprietary software, not gaining the communities around, only themselves, should be given pet names for what they do
[19:28] <RoyK> ikonia: and Microsoft is one of the worst in that setting
[19:29] <ikonia> RoyK: grow up, it's a business, it's not illegal to make proprietary, nor is it a problem, if you can't discuss them without stupid names for them, then your views have no credability
[19:29] <ikonia> and it's not welcome within the Ubuntu name space
[19:29] <RoyK> take OOXML, you make a ripoff out of OpenDocument and in it, you allow for binary encoded proprietary extensions. That's not open
[19:30] <ikonia> it doesn't really give the Linux or ubuntu commuity a good name calling competators stupid names
[19:30] <ikonia> RoyK: I don't care if it's open or not - there is no law that says everything must be open.
[19:30] <RoyK> there should be a standard saying naming something open, should be used only for open products
[19:31] <ikonia> RoyK: I don't care
[19:31] <RoyK> and the first O in OOXML is for "open"
[19:31] <RoyK> ikonia: then you don't care much about open source, IMHO
[19:38] <ersi> RoyK: It's okay to have an opinion. It's NOT okay to be an ass about your own opinion though. Respect others opinions, as they should respect yours.
[19:41] <GTRsdk> I think ushare will work, but will I be able to download via web browser?
[19:57] <tdelam> hey guys, does ubuntu server encrypt the HD by default?
[19:57] <tdelam> We suffered a crash and have this error on boot asking for a passphrase which we've never created before, I'm not sure how to get around this
[20:12] <ersi> tdelam: No. It's totally optional.
[20:12] <ersi> tdelam: So someone did choose to set a passphrase and encrypt some portion of the install.
[20:13] <tdelam> Interesting, :(
[20:13] <icekk_> hey guys, my ubuntu server has an ip address, i can ssh into it remotely across the internet, but for some reason when i try to ping google or perform apt-get upgrade it cant resolve the hosts
[20:13] <icekk_> any idea how i could fix this
[20:13] <tdelam> is there anyway around it if they don't remember doing that, ersi ?
[20:15] <icekk_> When I ping an ip it says 66 packets sent, 0 recieved, 100% packet loss
[20:16] <ersi> tdelam: Pretty much screwed, if that was the case. Your only option is to brute force the passphrase - hoping The Installer Person chose a dumb phrase
[20:16] <tdelam> Ha! damn
[20:16] <tdelam> ok thanks ersi
[20:16] <ersi> Good luck man :/ Tough situation
[20:16] <ersi> Go get the wrench ;)
[20:19] <tdelam> ersi: hah thanks
[20:21] <RoyK> ersi: sorry, did you misunderstand my words?
[20:39] <zul> oh my god...wireless is working
[20:40] <KM0201> lol, a wireless server?
[20:52] <fishscene> Hello everyone. I just wanted to send a great big "THANK YOU!" to the Ubuntu Server team. I installed Ubuntu Server on a fit-pc2i and will be streaming a live infrared webcam feed to our video and backstage crews using VLC and Ubuntu 11.04 Server. We really appreciate how easy this was to set up and get working. :)
[21:16] <SaidKLE> QUESTION: how to enable php5-pgsql module in php5 and ubuntu server 11.04
[21:18] <SaidKLE> ...I installed it, but I keep getting "Unrecognized function call pg_connect()" in error log
[21:22] <SaidKLE> Question: How do I get php5 to connect to postgresql?  I installed apache2, php5, php5-postgresql, etc., but nothing it working.
[21:22] <SaidKLE> edit: server is working, php is working, pg_connect() is not recognized.
[23:46] <Toidi> If I create a raid array with mdadm will it format it? (using mdadm --create --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sd[bc]1)
[23:46] <twb> Define "format"
[23:47] <Toidi> wipe all present data?
[23:48] <Toidi> Some idiot unplugged the NAS server while running and now it won't boot. I've loaded up an ubuntu desktop live cd to try and run fschk on it to verify the drives for the array are fine
[23:48] <Toidi> I just need to add /dev/md0, but I don't want to format it
[23:51] <twb> Toidi: it will write data to the disk, but it won't overwrite everything within sd[bc]1
[23:51] <twb> If you want to assemble an existing array, use --assemble, not --create.
[23:52] <twb> If sdb1 is a normal partition and you want to turn it INTO a RAID1 array, you can't do it that way.
[23:53] <twb> In that case, you need to create a degraded array using only sdc1, copy the files / filesystem from sdb1 to md0, then add sdb1 to md0 as an array node (which WILL overwrite everything in sdb1)
[23:53] <twb> If you've never done that before, you should definitely make a backup first
[23:55] <nronksr> can someone tell me if the 10.04LTS version of the ubuntu-server portmap is securable via hosts.allow/hosts.deny files?
[23:56] <twb> nronksr: /etc/hosts.allow is tcpwrappers; it will show up in ldd deps as libwrap or something IIRC
[23:56] <twb> nronksr: but I strongly advise you to use netfilter and ipset instead, because if someone later on recompiles a daemon *without* libwrap, you won't silently lose all your blocks
[23:57] <twb> If this is just for NFS, you can set some config files that will make it use static ports, which makes firewalling it much easier
[23:58] <nronksr> I'm looking at nfs setup in particular.  I was planning on firewalling it, but I also like controlling from hosts.allow/deny as well.
[23:58] <nronksr> old habits...
[23:58] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/doc/iptab
[23:59] <twb> That first block is there as a safety net to avoid netfilter failing open
[23:59] <twb> That's what I would do instead of duplicating your blocklist in both netfilter and tcpwrappers
[23:59] <nronksr> Thanks, I'll take a look!