[00:09] system services should run as nonprivileged users without access to important information, that's just basic security principles [00:10] ventrilo doesn't have the best security reputation either, so I'd suggest following that convention here [00:12] and if the server does anything else important, I'd look into jailing it === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [02:52] hi all [02:57] hi [03:02] hi lickalott [05:56] Anybody else having a problem with sysctl.conf being ignored on bootup? [05:57] 'Cause kernel.printk is defaulting to "15 4 1 7" and spamming my console with every logged message. [05:58] Even with kernel.printk set to "4 4 1 7" in my sysctl.conf file. [05:59] I have to manually run 'sysctl -p' after every boot if I want to use my console. [06:39] is there a way to emulate something for $display on a virt? [06:44] bookpage: I don't understand the question [06:51] if im running ubuntu in a virutliased environment, is there any way that i can set something to the $display variable? I was hoping that VNC output or something could be assigned to it, but im really clueless at the moment [06:51] sorry, twb [06:52] Uh, $DISPLAY (uppercase) is used to locate the X display, but servers do not normally run X. [06:52] Your VM might provide a virtual screen or serial console to the guest OS, and export that to the users as a VNC session or similar, but the guest will just see the emulated environment -- you need to talk to your VM vendor about that. [06:53] hmm, can X be placed ONTO a server after twb? [06:53] Personally I would recommend doing a little extra configuration and learning to use the serial interface, because then you can access it in a terminal instead of wasting bandwidth on a VNC display that only shows text anyway -- as a bonus, you can also copy-and-paste out of a serial line. [06:53] bookpage: it can, but we don't recommend it. [06:54] I see, it's not a matter of things being convenient, the bandwidth would likely be local so it would be free.... it's that i want to run things in d3d that require $DISPLAY to be set [06:54] and why wouldn't you recommend it twb? [06:55] and also, does X usually use a GPU or can does it emulate one, twb [06:55] Because GUIs don't belong on servers, and sysadmins that rely on GUIs to do their job, are crap sysadmins. [06:55] twb, I see, well yeah again, it's not to make things easier, it's for a purpose i wish to satisfy... I prefer ssh over vnc [06:56] What purpose is that? [06:56] to run d3d applications which will be captured to video [06:57] d3d? [06:57] ummm, direct 3d... via wine [06:57] Sorry, I don't support Windows stuff [06:57] wine is linux, and it uses opengl to emulate windows d3d [06:58] But if your goal is just to make captures, you could use the virtual fb driver for X [06:58] So it exists but isn't rendered anywhere except when you run e.g. "import -window root screenshot.png" [06:58] bookpage: I don't support wine either. [06:58] twb: thanks for your help [06:59] I think it's called Xvfb, I can't really remember [08:02] morning o/ [08:10] morning all [08:10] morning lynxman [08:11] jamespage: hey :) [08:11] lynxman: back in the UK? [08:11] jamespage: yeah! glad to be back in this side of the Atlantic [08:12] puppetconf then sprint? [08:12] jamespage: exactly [08:13] any one any software that would allow me to graphically edit my metamodes? [08:14] ahh crap.. wrong channel sorry [08:18] is there a good clean public and current ubuntu AMI on ec2? [08:19] bookpage, cloud.ubuntu.com/ami [08:19] ty smw [08:20] bookpage, if you google "ubuntu ami", the first result is the wiki which mentions that page and even has that link in the summary in google. The second link is the actual page I gave you. [08:21] It is not exactly hidden ;-) [08:57] oh, sorry smw [09:04] maybe a silly question, but can you startx if there is no screen? [09:10] Is it an aws thing to have /usr/bin/gconftool --get /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy run every day. [09:10] I've set sudo to mail me everyday and I see this on all the servers [09:10] I'm fairly sure its not something I've set [09:16] hi all [09:18] hi koolhead11 [09:18] udienz: hello === koolhead11 is now known as koolhead17 [09:19] koolhead17: hey o/ [09:19] hey lynxman, how are you? [09:25] Daviey, zul: bah - nova-common borkes on a clean install ATM [09:29] jamespage: hey [09:29] morning koolhead17 [09:29] how are you today [09:29] jamespage: am good. not trying diablo on oneiric though :) [09:30] ATM :) [09:32] koolhead17: good, recovering from jet lag :) [09:33] lynxman: hehe. am recovering too from 600 km bike ride :P [09:34] koolhead17: holy molly, were you doing the Tour de France? ;) [09:34] lynxman: on motorbike :P [09:35] koolhead17: aaah :D [09:36] Does anyone faced "gpg: keyserver timed out " error? [09:36] because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7D21C2EC3D1B4472 [09:36] am adding key for this [10:20] hi [10:21] how to email sync ? [10:33] qman__: ping [10:42] pong. [10:43] hi all [10:43] how could I know if inetd running? [10:44] xiexie: run "ps aux | grep inet" in terminal, I assume it would tell if such process is running or not [10:45] ps -e? [10:46] I suppose that would work too [10:48] okay, thanks [10:59] Daviey, smoser, zul: review of http://tinyurl.com/629w7wf much appreciated when you get a chance [11:11] jamespage: hey [11:12] jamespage, previously find would have exited failure with no files found ? [11:16] smoser: the filtering clause on the find bits is user = nova and (group = nogroup or group = root) [11:17] so when you get a fresh install its permissions are root:root [11:17] so they don't get set at-all [11:17] and it falls over in a heap [11:18] the piece that fails is actually the db sync call at the bottom - as nova-api can't create the sqlite database [11:19] ah. [11:19] yeah. [11:25] I had that moment as well [11:45] RoyK: hwy [11:46] zul, smoser, Daviey: you guys OK if I push that fix? [11:46] ehlo [11:50] jamespage, i'm good with that. [11:55] smoser: ack - doing it now [11:55] Daviey: hello [11:59] Hi [11:59] is there a way to know number of HDD attached to a server ? [11:59] for example 1000 servers === medberry is now known as med_out [13:38] can someone tell me what was the last revision before keystone got integrated with dashboard? [13:38] last revision == on launchpad [13:39] Am not able to find it after checking the revision logs :( === scar[w]_ is now known as skarr === lenios__ is now known as lenios_ [14:34] Daviey: around? [14:34] quick question [14:37] Daviey: nevermind, I'll just subscribe you to the bug...it's trivial (non-code relateD) [14:38] kim0: I'll finish my article today...how do you want me to answer the questions? [14:38] I can just reply to the comments on cloud.u.c [14:39] robbiew: yeah .. if you think a question is good enough .. take it to the article .. but many questions are not really relevant .. for those you can reply in a comment otherwise I can try to reply [14:39] robbiew: Thanks a lot .. I really appreciate it :) [14:40] kim0: yeah...I've only seen 1 or 2 so far [14:42] robbiew: others may still come .. the US is still waking up :) [14:42] indeed === ry_ is now known as ry [15:44] RoyK, I got the server installed [15:45] and there was difference between usb and cd install, even when there *should* not be :) [15:45] i think it messed usb boot, but left hd boot intact [15:45] did not boot server [15:46] i fixed boot with cd [15:46] now it works [15:46] But now I cannot install Adaptec 6805E drivers [15:46] Ubuntu server x64 10.04 LTS [15:48] starts to install [15:48] reading database ... [15:48] unpacking aacraid ... [15:48] ...installation started ... No driver found [15:49] No driver *archive found [16:14] how do i install aufs-tools? it says it doesn;t exist in the repos. [16:15] Olotila: oh - I think I've seen that, grub messing up and installing itself to the usb stick instead of the drive [16:17] barcef: what's aufs-tools? [16:17] RoyK, dunno but it's a dependency of a package that I'm trying to install [16:18] http://packages.debian.org/sid/aufs-tools [16:18] but I can't find it in ubuntu [16:19] RoyK: existed in hardy, not in lucid, in maverick - present [16:19] barcef: what are you trying to install? [16:20] dtc-common [16:20] RoyK: probably got dropped for some reason [16:21] should I just add http.us.debian.org/debian to my repos? [16:21] will it break somethign? [16:21] probably :P [16:21] Most likely. [16:21] it will probably break something? [16:21] here is output of driven installation output [16:21] http://pastebin.com/hUxNWzLG [16:21] barcef: install the package from source [16:22] RoyK, is that where i have to do that 'make install' stuff? [16:22] Olotila: someone pasted a link to the downloadable drivers from adaptec yesterday [16:22] barcef: bingo :) [16:23] RoyK, damn, i hate doing that. [16:24] barcef: you get used to it :) [16:25] barcef: the alternative is to use a VM with hardy [16:28] RoyK, I keep running into squeeze binaries(.deb). I can't seem to find the source. [16:28] what does this software do, btw_ [16:28] ? [16:29] RoyK, the dtc-common? or the aufs tools? [16:29] http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc_5download.html [16:30] there's a description there on how to make a debian package, which should work well on ubuntu as well [16:31] but dunno if it might work [16:31] may have unresolvable dependencies... [16:31] RoyK, seems I have the latest driver AACRAID Debian and Ubuntu Driver v1.1.7-28000 [16:31] If that was the point? [16:31] Olotila: but do your disks show up? [16:32] I do not have yet disks attached [16:32] I guess that's a place to start, then :) [16:35] yeah, after I solve backup problem described here : [16:35] http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274015-14-external-usb3-drive-shows-devices#t1878747 [16:36] arg, use the link without #t1878747 [16:36] no idea about that - it's windows, right? [16:37] shows in bios [16:37] DBAN helps neither [16:37] then it's a firmware thing on that usb drive enclosure [16:37] I think so too [16:37] some have that to help PCs having problems with >2TB drives [16:37] but dont have tools to change that [16:38] Olotila: disassemble the enclosure and plug the drive on SATA :P [16:38] dont want to void the warranty [16:38] well, it's not a linux thing [16:39] if you want to, you can span those 'drives' with lvm [16:39] that'll create a single logical volume [16:39] at this point I would be happy to get back to factory settings :) [16:39] Olotila: there might even be a way to disable it [16:40] what make/label? === lullabud is now known as warzauwynn [16:40] Verbatim 3TB usb3 [16:40] lynxman: ping [16:40] adam_g: pong [16:40] model # 47662 [16:41] Olotila: seems something at Verbatim must have been smoking something... [16:42] lynxman: hey! were you gonna update that FFE Bug #854899 to security fix? it looks like debian has updated [16:42] RoyK, heh yeah [16:42] lynxman: (puppet) [16:42] adam_g: was just pushing to my branch right now [16:42] adam_g: just this second :) [16:42] lynxman: sweet! [16:42] adam_g: yeah about to upload new packages to the ppa too in 2 mins [16:45] Olotila: I'd keep it as it is and just use LVM to span it [16:45] Olotila: no warranty issues, and if the drive dies, both will probably die at once, so no bigger chance of data loss either [16:58] robbiew: hola [16:59] Daviey: how's the summit? [16:59] robbiew: fyi the net connection at ODS is less than adequate. [16:59] robbiew: Going well, many people seem to have prepaired well. [17:02] Daviey: groovy...glad our demo doesn't depend on an external net connection then ;) [17:03] hah [17:04] how did the demo go? [17:05] or not yet [17:10] * jamespage eod [17:10] RoyK sorry connection died [17:11] k [17:11] cant even nuke the drive anymore [17:11] or make a non-quick format [17:11] Olotila: can you access the partitions from linux? [17:12] Olotila: cat /proc/partitions [17:12] (not from windoze) [17:12] I can try that [17:12] what if I can? [17:12] I have tried tools in Ultimate Boot CD [17:12] great stuff [17:13] erm - are you using windows to access this drive? [17:13] or - is that the plan? [17:13] if so - please ask somewhere else [17:13] both systems [17:13] then you're probably stuck with two 'drives' [17:13] but np, I did not want to specifically bother this channel with that issue [17:15] windoze can create a filesystem spanning both, and so can linux, but windows doesn't understand LVM and I doubt you can make linux understand the windows volume manager - some have tried and AFAIK some have succeded, but YMMV [17:15] Olotila: did you try to connect some drives to that aacraid thing? [17:15] once intel ssd [17:16] but now i realize the sas cable was not properly attached [17:16] so actually not [17:16] iirc aacraid controllers doesn't show shit until you create a logical volume [17:16] yeah [17:16] that what it says in boot [17:17] could that be the reason it doesnt install driver ? [17:17] no drives attached [17:17] as for SSD, I don't know if the aacraid controllers support TRIM [17:17] sounds reasonable [17:17] manual says "install drivers to all OSs before creating array" [17:17] no reason to have a driver around with nothing to do [17:18] the intel ssd does not either [17:18] its the gen 1 [17:18] x25-m or something? [17:18] yeah [17:19] not gonna be in raid [17:19] just system disk [17:19] I'd recommend against using an SSD for system disk [17:19] better use a couple of old, cheap spinning drives in a mirror [17:19] been thinking using it as ssd cache for raid [17:19] the root partition is hardly written to except logs, and is hardly read from [17:19] not sure yet, would have to study more [17:19] does linux support that yet? [17:20] ssd cache? [17:20] I thought ZFS was about the only open solution to support that [17:20] well, like I said, would have to study that more [17:21] now i would be happy to get the drivers installed as the manual says [17:21] I really doubt neither linux nor the controller supports caching on ssd [17:21] well, create a logical drive on the SSD [17:21] from the controller's bios [17:22] Olotila: if you want to use an SSD for caching, use something like OpenIndiana - native ZFS rocks [17:22] but then, the RAID controller is a waste of money [17:22] since ZFS generally does that better [17:23] guess gonna stick to pure spinning disk raid for now [17:24] ssd cache seems to be just hyping atm [17:24] "hybrid raid" [17:24] Olotila: I have this fileserver with some 14TB net storage across 28 mirrored 1TB drives and some SSDs for caching, but read and write, and it rocks! [17:24] ok :) [17:24] not linux, though [17:25] it's only on 1Gbps, so that's what limits bandwidth... [17:26] heh, played with zfs on ubuntu [17:26] it works, but well, not very good [17:26] patdk-wk: any SLOG/L2ARC support on zfs-fuse? [17:26] dunno about zfs-fuse [17:26] never used it [17:27] oh - native zfs on linux? [17:27] yep [17:27] patdk-wk: the zfs in ubuntu (apt-get install zfs) is fuse [17:27] apt-get install ubuntu-zfs I think it is [17:27] have it in a esx vm [17:28] afaik the only zfs in ubuntu is using fuse [17:28] native zfs won't go into ubuntu for obvious reasons - different license [17:28] https://launchpad.net/~zfs-native/+archive/stable [17:28] looks fine to me [17:29] does that come with a posix layer? [17:29] comes with zpool, zfs, ... [17:29] k [17:30] guess I'll try that some day I'm bored :P [17:30] patdk-wk: how did it work 'not very well'? [17:30] crashes or performance issues or what? [17:30] just performance [17:31] seem to have random pauses [17:31] might of been esx though [17:31] going give it a spin when I get my motherboard [17:31] before I install oi on it [17:31] k [17:32] Olotila: if you want to try zfs, google for openindiana - it's an open fork for opensolaris after oracle closed the source tap [17:33] I'll check that out, thanks [17:34] Olotila: just remember it's not linux, so a few things are different..... [17:34] heh, well everything :) [17:34] well, quite a lot of userspace is GNU [17:36] there is also the option of debian/kfreebsd for zfs, if you want to have something that's a bit more similar. don't know how new/old zfs version that is vs openindiana though [17:38] maswan: or just freebsd... [17:39] tbh, I think freebsd might be a good choice for zfs, at least looking over some nasty i/o timeout handling in OI/Illumos that has surfaced lately [17:40] hmm, I can't locate any iscsi boot nics that aren't server grade class [17:40] just want some to throw in some desktops [17:40] it looks like I will have to live with pxe iscsi boot [17:40] patdk-wk: probably because most iSCSI boot is meant for servers :P [17:41] patdk-wk: but are they really that expensive? I thought you could get those for $100 or so [17:41] na, these all have iscsi offload stuff too, don't need all that, just boot :) [17:41] not that I can locate [17:41] * RoyK doubts anyone will add iSCSI boot without offload [17:41] I want a pcie x1 low profile nic [17:42] all I can find are dual and quad port server nics [17:42] afaik most of those are dual+ [17:42] but they should come in low profile... [17:43] but 1x may be more difficult [17:46] $135 for intel i350 dual port x4 card [17:47] sounds reasonable [17:47] * RoyK is waiting for an AOC-SAT2-MV8 to setup a home server :P [17:48] cost me some $35 - not very fast, but stable..... [17:48] yep [17:48] should be fast enough [17:48] 600MB/sec [17:48] yeah, even with only 32bit PCI [17:48] the network is likely to be the limit anyway [17:49] what? 32bit? [17:49] my home server is 3 of those, quad gigabit, and 2 20g infiniband [17:49] limited by the pcix backplanes, to about 1400MB/sec usable [17:49] the card is PCI-X, but my box only has PCI slots, which isn't a big deal, since PCI-X is compatible with PCI (given you have place for the rest of the board to hang dangling) [17:50] givin the card is 5v compatable [17:50] patdk-wk: heh - I don't have that sort of home network/server, neither do I need it ;) [17:50] but it's cheap to just get a pcix motherboard [17:50] I'll try this one first [17:50] I'm annoyed at my current one, that only gets 200MB/sec [17:51] on pci-x?? [17:51] no, pcie x8's [17:51] it only has dual gigabit though [17:51] and the drives need to be redone [17:52] 200MB/s is about the bandwidth you can expect with 32bit PCI 2.1 [17:52] no it's not [17:52] 100MB/sec is the max over 32bit pci [17:52] 32bit 133mhz [17:53] 132MB/s theoretical over 32bit 33MHz [17:53] ya, 33mhz, heh, I'm still on pcix :) [17:53] PCI 2.1 is 66MHz [17:53] and has been the standard for 10ish years [17:53] well, I can say then, nothing I have ever used did pci 2.1 correctly then [17:53] I know all my motherboards supported it [17:54] but I always capped out at 100MB/sec [17:54] 50MB/sec using nic+disk [17:54] if the (or one of them?) controller card doesn't support 66MHz, the bus will clock down [17:54] found a single port, iscsi, pcie lp on ebay, but it's still x4 :( [17:55] get a new mobo :P [17:55] * RoyK echos patdk-wk [17:55] hehe [17:55] it's embedded systems, not that easy [17:55] have two slots, x16 used by video card, x1 empty [17:55] use them for mythtv frontends :) [17:55] guess you're stuck with pxe then... [17:56] it adds boot lag though :( [17:56] how often do you boot? [17:56] once a day [17:57] so, say 20secs boot lag, that's 20 out of 86400 - rather low :D [17:57] hell, I should just throw my fc card in it [17:57] 1x FC card? [17:57] nope :) [17:58] RS/232 to FC adaptor? [17:58] that works [17:58] probably faster with an SD card for the root, though [17:59] I did usb stick for root, for a while, was painful [18:00] well, with infiniband and fibrechannel at home, you should whine somewhere else :P [18:00] heh [18:01] it's only 2g fc [18:01] but then the fc tape drive only goes 70MB/sec [18:01] almost like poverty - I can understand... [18:02] well, I need it [18:02] I can't well tell people, here, buy and install this stuff, no I personally have no idea how to use it, or if it will work [18:03] plus, when there are issues, and it's possible, it's nice to bring it home, and test it [18:03] that is what I got the fc stuff for [18:03] the infiniband was for proof of concept, and cause well, 10g ethernet costs too much [18:03] more than IB? [18:04] 10g ethernet is like double or triple the price of IB [18:04] cheapest 10g switchs start at 3k [18:04] how much do you pay for a 24-port IB switch giving you ~10Gbps? [18:04] $350 [18:04] cisco topspin 120, dual psu's and managed [18:04] used or new? [18:04] used [18:05] there are no used 10g ethernets [18:05] and I don't need new for home [18:05] a 24-port 10gE is close to $1k, or a bit more from cisco [18:06] what model? [18:06] where are you finding 24-port 10gig switches for $1k? [18:07] I'm thinking 24gig ports, and options to install 2 10gige [18:07] yeah, the two sfp's would be about $1k ;) [18:07] ya [18:07] supermicro/dell switches cost some $1k, perhaps $1k5 for a 24-port gigE - same switch - from Delta Electronics [18:08] eeeeeerm [18:08] not 1k [18:08] 10k [18:08] decimal error [18:08] ya, 10k, 10gig ethernet totally out of price range [18:08] I can get 40gig IB for cheaper [18:08] hello all [18:09] cisco 12port 10g, 3560E-12D, $13k [18:09]