[00:10] Anyone know why emerald has been pulled from 11.10? [00:11] because it was merged back into compiz years ago [00:11] how do I use it? :o [00:12] ali1234: is that compiz-window-decorator? [00:12] probably yeah [00:13] ali1234: any idea how to set the theme? [00:13] no [00:50] haha, other people in #ubuntu+1 running into the same "No more multi X support for you" issue I had earlier [01:10] Any packagey people care to help me with this one? http://pastebin.com/NCuR9Yp4 [01:12] gtk theme formats changed with gtk3 [01:12] all old stuff is now broken [01:12] gtk-update-icon-cache --help [01:12] -t, --ignore-theme-index Don't check for the existence of index.theme [01:12] put that in the control ^ [01:13] find where it runs gtk-update-icon-cache and add -t after it [01:13] so it's a packaging bug I should report upstream for a start :P [01:13] yes [01:14] besides that I didn't understand much of what you said [01:14] lol [01:14] but I'll send that upstream *shrug* [07:48] morning all [07:49] morning [07:49] you up early? [07:57] morning all [07:58] mornign [08:00] morning everyone. [08:05] \o TheOpenSourcerer [08:07] guten morgen [08:32] My Oneric lappy has gone all weird. It boots OK but I get no launcher and the top menu/bar has the nautilus menu on it. If I open a new nautilus window it has it's own menu... Known issue? [08:33] I can't get to any of the lenses nor the indicators etc. [08:34] TheOpenSourcerer: tried unity --reset ? [08:35] good morning everyone. [08:37] oimon: Thanks (CTL+ALT F1) and trying... [09:36] Morning all! [09:37] another lovely october day in the uK [09:39] bit grey here sadly [09:39] given that the weather said 27° later… [09:41] Morning all o/ [09:44] o/ [09:50] Morning £££££££££££ [09:53] i ordered ice-cream to deal with the heat of late! so i think the current grey sky is my fault [09:53] #blamegord [09:57] morning all [09:58] morning davmor2 [09:58] morning MooDoo nice weekend :D [09:58] davmor2: was at work [09:58] MooDoo: I know [09:59] davmor2: in that case....bugger off ;) [10:06] MooDoo: sorry couldn't resist :D [10:07] davmor2: it's on, i've got a with your name on it :D [10:07] * Laney wolf whistles [10:08] * MooDoo acts all coy, awwww shucks Laney ;) [10:12] MooDoo: You had a play with you lens yet? [10:14] davmor2: don't get it until the 21st, it's a 3 day hire [10:14] MooDoo: Ahh okay [10:15] davmor2: looking forward to it though [10:18] davmor2: nice BIG lens :D [10:22] had a 30 minute discussion in the car on saturday with the missis about which star wars characters are most like ourselves [10:22] the advantages of being married to someone who's quietly geeky === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl [10:23] my wife isn't remotely geeky [10:24] do you still have those discussions? [10:24] I am responsible for anything in the house with a plug on it, she is responsible for things that eat. [10:24] no [10:24] I am also responsible for removing wasps. [10:25] popey: Removing wasps lol [10:25] had to do that last night [10:25] wifey went to bed then came back downstairs [10:25] i went up to save the day [10:25] batted the wasp with ipad :D [10:25] (multi-purpose device) [10:26] popey: With ipad you serious? [10:26] have you heard the theory that a conker in the corner of the room stops spiders? is that for real or just gypsy tales? [10:26] yes [10:26] * gord wonders if there is an app for accurate wasp vs ipad battling [10:26] never heard that oimon [10:27] if that were true, there would be no spiders outside surely [10:27] bet you could simulate a wasp with an ipad [10:27] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6255510/Spiders-v-conkers-are-arachnids-really-scared-of-horse-chestnuts.html [10:27] and therefore it could tell you exactly where to swat [10:27] spanked the jasper across the room and it landed on the floor, picked it up, lobbed it out the window [10:29] !best > GirlyGirl [10:29] GirlyGirl, please see my private message [10:40] popey: buy a mug with vim reference guide on it [10:43] i had considered that [10:47] wish oneiric didn't keep suspending [10:48] can't leave my desktop on at home [10:50] popey: There is bound to be an option to disable that [10:50] popey: Enable Wake-on-LAN? [10:50] GirlyGirl: its broken [10:50] jpds: haha :D [10:51] popey: Worked for me two years ago; ssh into the router and send the magic packet. [10:51] weird, i have an oneiric box and it stays on all the time [10:52] bug 854624 [10:52] Launchpad bug 854624 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "[oneiric] Gnome3/Unity session fails to apply suspend/hibernate parameters, set by "Power Settings" dialog" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854624 [10:53] hmm, i dont know the mac address for my desktop [10:53] i've noticed that screenshots of unity where the wallpaper is predominantly blue look 10x better than the default [10:54] it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/860485 [10:54] Ubuntu bug 860485 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Oneiric) "bad default setting: suspend after 30min when plugged in" [Critical,Fix released] [10:55] & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/864479 [10:55] Ubuntu bug 864479 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Oneiric) "System goes to hibernate or suspend even when set to "Don't suspend"" [Critical,Confirmed] [10:56] ah, i haven't updated for a week.. [10:56] must be why i wasn't affected [11:00] * popey installs etherwake [11:00] * popey notes arp shows a box which currently isnt up [11:00] that might be my desktop [11:01] ddwrt prob has dhcp logs? [11:06] popey: how's the modem only setup going? [11:07] I'm tempted to go that route myself now [11:36] bigcalm: working well, i now have only one AP [11:38] also the wndr3700 running ddwrt is functionally way more useful than the crap in the "super" hub [11:42] did anyone answer my question [11:42] ? [11:43] Habe you failed a test...but still became successful in life in general [11:43] failed what test? [11:48] test of character? academic test? life is full of tests [11:48] especially if you are married [11:49] "what do you think of this dress?" [11:49] [13:30] when is it wabbit season? [11:49] [13:33] I think that opens just after the haggis season starts [11:51] oimon: "do this dress make me look fat" [11:51] When did I say that D: [11:51] Monsterwizard: you've not told us what test yet :) lol [11:51] MooDoo: It matches your eyes :) [11:51] ohhh strings and languages [11:51] kinda like logic [11:51] D: [11:52] oimon: I get away with meh whatever do you like it? if so wear it. [11:58] bigcalm: you all set for Thursday then Dude? [12:10] can someone on ubuntu do me a favour ? (I am at work on windows) [12:11] In firefox... > Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Encryption -> View Certificates [12:11] is CACert listed? [12:11] popey, nope [12:12] bah [12:12] http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/all/ca-certificates/filelist indicates it is there [12:12] there is a lot of them, let me check again [12:14] nah not there [12:15] i'd assume it needs to be in mozilla/ to show up in firefox [12:17] why do bacon sandwiches include the rind/fat? is it laziness on behalf of the person cooking it , or do some people actaully enjoy eating the fat? [12:18] because magic pig is awesome [12:18] and must include the fat [12:19] apart from anything else, the texture of fat ruins a sandwich [12:20] lies [12:24] I would reply to davmor2, but he's buggered off. Humf [12:25] The fat add the important parts of the flavour complex of bacon. When cooked, the dripping should be included with the meal [12:25] that may explain why my BMI is considered underweight [12:30] oimon: that, or the constant running after users with blunt/heavy objects :P [12:30] oimon, some like the fat. consider streaky bacon. [12:34] * oimon searches until he finds a website that says 18.4 BMI is heathly [12:35] i think it is rather flawed system [12:41] huh, i just had to use open office and it was a fairly pleasant experience [12:48] my mother in law has been using it for work purposes on her laptop for last couple of years and didn't realise that it wasn't MS office. the point is, she didn't need to. [12:56] she hasn't had to exchange documents with ms office using people then? [13:05] Laney: she saves as .doc* but we didn't have an in depth discussion of why it saved as odt and ods by default. i wonder if i can change that default... [13:07] vaguely modern msoffice opens & saves odt and ods. [13:09] i never knew that. [13:10] my life improved drastically since i stopped supporting windows [13:10] only occasionally do i have to dip my toe in [13:15] oh another one [13:15] You're too good for windows :P [13:16] non of my friends want to migrate from windows, so i do a lot of windows stuff [13:17] MooDoo: do you get paid in food or beer for your troubles? [13:17] oimon: yeah beer :) [13:18] my friends used to think they were doing me a favour by asking me to fix their machines all night [13:19] why would they think that? [13:22] Monsterwizard: maybe they are using the flawed logic that X likes computers, therefore he will enjoy fixing my malware/lack of backups issue in his spare time [13:22] i'm getting it now with photoggraphy, MooDoo likes photography, paul can you just :) [13:25] "photograph my wedding for free? it'll be good for your portfolio innit?" [13:27] oimon: just kinda had one of them, not free but a sister of a mate :) [13:30] ok so people make fun of computer science grads [13:30] :( [13:30] i hate that [13:30] Someone said to me "Just ask me any question I did the A+ so I can answer any question" [13:30] mocking compsci esstentiallu [13:31] ask them to explain the TCP sliding window mechanism [13:31] Wait...the exam guide for that course isn't that big [13:31] about the size of one of my text books [13:32] pfff wanna bees [13:34] Monster: are you phd student? [13:34] nope [13:34] how come you ask? [13:35] undergrad? [13:35] yyep [13:36] OK. I have a new machine (thanks popey!) and there are two disks: a 160GB disk with no data on it at all, and a 1TB disk with loads of movies and tv and music and etc on it. I am trying to work out how to set up the machine. I do not have enough space to back up everything on the 1TB disk (so it can't be wiped). Suggestions, please :) [13:37] frex: should I install Ubuntu on the 160GB disk and then just mount the 1TB disk at /mnt/stuff? Should I use LVM? If I LVM, should I LVM across both disks? If I do that, can I put all the data on the 1TB disk into an LVM thingy without deleting it all and then copying it all back on afterwards? [13:38] aquarius: I did that [13:38] aquarius: install Ubuntu on the 160GB, then used a separate disk as /home (which is where I all put all my stuff) [13:38] didn't use LVM [13:38] aquarius: how many users will be using it? [13:39] oimon, one (me). It will, most of the time, not have anyone sitting in front of it: it's a server, which will be headless [13:39] so its primary purpose is to serve out files over upnp and so on. [13:39] aquarius: wot MartijnVdS said sounds good [13:39] aquarius: LVM is only useful if you expect to run out of diskspace and add disks (instead of replacing the disk with a larger one and throwing out/recycling the old one) [13:40] lvm adds 15% overhead AFAIK, doesn't sound necessary with your setup. [13:40] aquarius, just a warning if you have a different drive, u1 won't let you share anything outside your home directory no matter how much i bug you guys about that ;) [13:40] gord: it's called 'incentive' :P [13:40] gord, you've read the list of reasons why, right? ;) [13:41] aquarius, yeah, i'v started enough arguments about it ;) but yeah just a warning, if you want all your music in /media/stuff like i did, you then can't have it in u1. so you'll end up using your home directory anyway [13:41] MartijnVdS, oimon, danfish, that's useful info, thanks [13:41] gord, ah, I do not have 1TB of videos in U1. My *music* is already in U1, which is on my laptop :) [13:42] then setup a regular rsync backup of the 1TB drive :) [13:42] . [13:42] oimon, the reason it isn't backed up isn't because I don't know how, it's because I don't have 1TB of space anywhere else :P [13:43] ok. time to work out how to put a second drive in a microserver :P [13:44] with backups, i imagine that i have lost the data on the drive. then i say..what would i pay right now to get all that data back? [13:44] aquarius: pro-tip [13:44] aquarius, Simplest thing ever :) [13:45] the screws are in the door [13:45] as is the tool [13:45] One thing i didn't notice though after//// [13:45] bah popey beat me to it [13:45] !!! [13:45] make sure you get the drive up the right way in the caddy :D [13:45] Searched out of my box of screws, then as i was sliding the second drive in i noticed a huge line of them [13:45] oimon, that's why that drive only contains things like ripped videos. Actual important data -- documents and photos and music and the like, which I don't have discs of -- is in U1 from my laptop. [13:46] :D [13:46] ugh the windows in my office allow bluebottles in but they can't get out. i just had 10 on the window. [13:53] ok, which one of you has stolen my set of mini screwdrivers? [13:54] hey, there is a screwdriver in the door too. Nice. [14:00] as is the tool [14:09] directhex, yeah, but I needed the screwdriver to get the drive out of the old caddy :) [14:09] I'll say this: server people know how to make their lives simpler. Slide out the caddy by pressing a nice button; screws and screwdriver already in the door... good stuff. [14:11] the terrifying moment where I say: sure, go ahead and format that disk... and hope that I picked the right one. Pretty sure I chose the right one, but I always worry that my finger slipped or something :) [14:11] be careful to install openssh-server on the server OS before tidying it into your cabinet. for some bizarre reason ssh is not installed by default on ubuntu server [14:12] ooh, sensible advice and no mistake [14:14] Is there a way to install all dependencies of a package, but not the package itself? [14:15] install teh package and then remove it? :) [14:16] aquarius: yes that's my workaround [14:16] but I was wondering if there was a Better Way® [14:16] graarrgh, I typed my username in instead of my actual name. again [14:17] aquarius isn't your real name? [14:17] heh :) [14:17] aptitude install ~rD package [14:17] maybe [14:18] Laney: No :| [14:18] "~RD" [14:18] what? [14:18] Laney: it'll install EVERYTHING [14:19] you mean i forgot the quotes [14:20] http://paste.debian.net/133843/ [14:23] Laney: no that's reverse-depends [14:23] I want to do the equivalent of apt-get install X; dpkg --purge X [14:24] oh well, I'll just stick to that :) [14:26] http://paste.debian.net/133845/ [14:26] what am I not getting? [14:30] yay installed [14:30] hm, what do I need to install to make the machine advertise itself to the local network as machinename.local? libnss-mdns ? [14:31] advertise itself? avahi-daemon [14:31] consume .local addresses? libnss-mdns [14:31] installing. [14:32] chrs [14:32] and working, yay [14:32] irc at it's finest :) [14:32] cake for all! [14:33] nom [14:35] * oimon wonders if creating etherpad lite notes with random names > 8 chars counts as secure [14:35] its publicly available, so no ;) [14:37] it's the equivalent of inifinite retries available on a passworded email account :) [14:38] now, the eternal question: do I mount the big drive under $HOME or not? hm. [14:39] great, just installed dconf-tools on my server. that was smart [14:39] i should "alias apt=get=echo "YOU ARE ON YOUR SERVER GORD, STOP BEIGN DUMB"; apt-get" on my server or something [14:40] gord, did it offering to pull in all of X as a dependency not clue you in? :) [14:40] have different passwords [14:41] SuperHub now in modem only mode and I'm back using my Linksys router :) [14:41] aquarius, have you not being using oneiric lately? doing anything causes ubuntu to download 200mb of updates ;) [14:42] gord, I have not. :) [14:46] woot, got rhythmbox setup to load my u1 music, can't use banshee anymore [14:46] slightly shocked we are shipping banshee at all [14:47] why don't you file a request to have it removed from the archive [14:48] by shipping i mean on the cd :P [14:52] btw have they done anything with ryhythmbox since 10.04? [14:53] its gtk3 now [14:53] it continues to play music, not sure what else you'd need [14:57] facebook integration... if everything else is anything to go by ;/ [14:57] Anyone know how to change default applications used in xfce? [14:58] it doesn't actually like my music library [14:58] oimon, bad taste? :/ [14:59] we should make ubuntu user accounts equivalent to facebook accounts [14:59] how cool would that be!!!! [14:59] i don't understand what that means [15:00] killed rhythmbox and songs rushed from 275-366...now stuck again...think i'll stick with clementine :D [15:01] like spotify does [15:03] "Spotify changed its registration process so that all new users are required to have a Facebook profile." ohh [15:03] you could have all of your ubuntu usage show up in the ticker thing and compare with your friends and and and [15:04] i spy the end is nigh for spotify [15:04] Nah, several people are quite happy to link it to facebook [15:04] Laney, what happened to giving achievements for doing mundane tasks in ubuntu? [15:07] a perfick opportunity to realise that dream [15:13] Don't have a FB account so i would be screwed [15:13] I know quite a few people who don't tbh, and quite a few who have cancelled/deleted profiles [15:15] yeah, but the majority will either be perfectly happy to, or will just create an empty fb profile for the purpose [15:17] Im guessing FB has some integration with hotmail [15:17] MS [15:18] well, the two have had a long-standing relationship over search and maps and the like, so I'd imagine so [15:18] As I created a test account before i deleted mine for some dev work and I recently got a friend request on it [15:18] Not a lot of info to identify me [15:20] I will personally not use anything that requires farcebook [15:20] ;/ [15:21] in fact, that stuff ubuntu added with 10.04, for some account even put me off [15:21] like? [15:21] Ubuntu One was it? [15:21] idk, didn't use it [15:22] but didn't like it even been there [15:22] i use ubuntu one but my missis doesn't have an account [15:22] * popey hugs BigRedS [15:22] it probably has some interesting features I don't use [15:22] i love the idea of u1 and hope it grows into even more useful tool [15:23] tomboy notes integration with my android phone is one of my faves [15:23] I just see an OS and software, as an OS and software..... not something I should be creating accounts to login online to [15:24] and including "services" with an OS, is not something I like [15:25] i only really dislike when they are enforced, and i suspect the end product will be malevolent in some way [15:25] MS did it with MSN, IE, etc [15:25] doesn't gain my respect [15:26] although, I recognise it is a good way to advertise ofc [15:29] oimon, I guess none of the stuff I speak of is actually enforced [15:29] :) [15:29] but it is still home grown bloatware [15:30] i tend to think most decisions fb makes are malevolent..in order to extract more data from the user, but the u1 stuff is very useful [15:30] oh, I don't consider u1 in the same league as fb [15:30] :) [15:30] if you like to hop between machines regularly, keeping applications in sync etc is great [15:30] yep [15:31] but why include it with the OS? [15:31] it just felt like it was included, with a lot of "pushing", to get people to use it [15:32] because it's really useful. [15:32] so there's a framework for it. so you don't need to re-enter 100 apps' settings [15:32] webos does this - stores stuff on pam.com servers [15:32] and so that other apps will use it as the default online sync space too [15:33] that is pushing it as the standard service for such use [15:33] there's nothing to be suspicious of though [15:33] no, but it still overwhelmed the menu [15:34] kind of like MS having the Windows Messenger icons all over, with it auto starting [15:34] internet is speeding up. up to 8m down :) [15:35] nice [15:35] :) [15:37] youtube actually downloading at faster than realtime, so it's usable again [15:39] I can dream [15:39] ;) [15:42] my mother in law has a dog which actually watches youtube vids [15:42] when i get my tablet pc out it jumps on the lap and does the sideways doggie head thing [15:45] better be careful there are no vids with good looking dogs [15:45] ;) [15:48] i've never seen a pooch watch tv so actively [15:51] what's the name of the Ubuntu installer package? [15:51] getting a bug up for that installing the wrong driver bug [15:52] !info ubiquity [15:52] ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.10 (natty), package size 4025 kB, installed size 15068 kB [15:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/865473 there we go, one new bug report \o/ [15:54] Ubuntu bug 865473 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer installs wrong driver for GTX 570" [Undecided,New] [16:03] wow, your gfx card cost more than my computer [16:03] haha [16:04] oimon: I've had it for nearly a year now, too [16:09] thus, its horribly out of date, prolly gets 3fps at 320x240 in crysis 10 [16:10] hehe [16:10] gord actually as of recently, the games are moving much slower than the hardware [16:10] if this was 2002 or something I'd agree with you, but currently the games arn't moving while the PC's are [16:10] eh, depends on the game [16:10] my PC is still overspecced for any game currently in existence, and probably will be for another year or so at least [16:11] i don't expect to be able to play the new metro game [16:11] I'd love a high spec PC again tbh [16:11] Next thing to save up for [16:11] Something to play current games, but also something good at ripping / re-encoding video [16:12] gord "Optimum system requirements" (Aka the ones to run it on all max) Core i7, GTX 470 or above, 8GB+ RAM [16:12] so my system eats the Optimum system requirements [16:13] gord ^ for metro 2033, my machine will have no problem with it :) [16:13] yeah, they came out with some optimum requirements for the last one, my machine above those could barely run it at high resolutions [16:14] oh wait thats for the old game, where did you find that? [16:14] no no i'm saying the NEXT one [16:15] metro 2033 is 18 months old [16:15] also, yet another fps game [16:16] Azelphur, talking about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkuDGN-aQgA&feature=relmfu - the super pretty new one [16:16] GTS450 or GTX460 is fine also, if you are not so hardcore ;) [16:17] BF3 demo still has the best graphics i've ever seen [16:19] gord you'll like this one :) [16:19] the metro last night system requirements are lower than the 2033 requirements. [16:19] well yeah, its coming out for the consoles, it'll scale down, [16:19] if i was gonna play it at that kind of spec, i'd play it on a console [16:20] yea, that's what everyone is doing though, everyone is focusing more on optimization and less on using the latest available hardware [16:20] so the hardware is moving much faster than the games to use it [16:20] it's not because they want to ship for consoles [16:20] I was looking at hardware, even it is slowing down somewhat [16:20] :/ [16:20] it's because they have no idea how to use the power [16:21] ali1234: and even if they did, I think it makes no marketing sense to actually use it [16:21] eh? nooo [16:21] they can't add more detail until people get 4k monitors [16:21] my i3 has dropped £5 in about a year [16:21] we are no where near the point of not being able to use the power of latest gpus [16:21] gord I'd like to see a game that can 10% a 6990, lol [16:21] yes we are [16:22] and the reason is it simply costs too much to design visual assets that take advantage of it [16:22] ^ for minimal profits because not enough people actually have the hardware [16:22] deving for high end is insane :/ [16:22] you obviously have no idea ;) [16:22] that's the real reason all these games are set in dark tunnels with the same super high res concrete texture repeated over and over and over and over [16:22] now they could up the resolution on that concrete texture by a factor of 10 [16:23] but nobody would even see it unless they stopped and walked right up to a wall and pulled out a magnifying glass [16:24] no they couldn't, you'd obliterate the texture cache very quickly [16:24] things would get orders of magnitude slower [16:24] things would get orders of magnitude slower AND it would not improve the visual quality of the game at all [16:25] maxing out the GPU is not hard [16:25] and it would limit your audience [16:25] actually getting benefit from doing so is the hard poart [16:26] it will be interesting to see what is done with next gen stuff [16:27] i would take a guess that it will involve dark tunnels, contrete, and rust [16:27]