[01:48] <wrst> binarymutant: hey yeah I know about linus...
[01:55] <wrst> binarymutant: here are some screenshots http://wesleystout.no-ip.org/gnome3-2.png http://wesleystout.no-ip.org/gnome-3-2-2.png
[01:56] <wrst> I don't have it tweaked much just a different shell theme and background and that's a stock gnome background
[01:56] <binarymutant> wrst: the panel is on the side in gnome3 too?
[01:56]  * Unit193 hopes that's not "Twlight" on the side
[01:56] <Unit193> twilight rather
[01:57] <wrst> yes its on the side but only when you use it most of the time its not seen
[01:57] <wrst> twilight as in the movie???
[01:57] <Unit193> wrst: Yep, quassel window ;)
[01:57] <binarymutant> I had a hard time with the panel on the side, it kept popping up whenever I was doing anything
[01:57] <binarymutant> looks good though
[01:58] <wrst> never pops up binarymutant unless you hover in the hot corner on the activites or hit the super key
[01:58] <binarymutant> ah
[01:58] <binarymutant> my side panel experience was with unity
[01:59] <wrst> yeah well gnome 3 is light years ahead of unity
[01:59]  * wrst does not intend to start a flame war
[01:59] <binarymutant> that's cool
[02:00] <wrst> i would have loved to seen ubuntu put their twist on gnome shell vs going off reservation
[02:02] <wrst> ohh Unit193 i'm finally gettting the twilight that's twil = this week in linux :)
[02:02] <binarymutant> I think it had something to do with gnome's not-so benevelant dictatorship
[02:02]  * wrst is slow
[02:02] <wrst> binarymutant: yes well ubuntu has a little of that in them too so probalby destined to happen :)
[02:02] <Unit193> That also might have taken some looking :P
[02:02] <wrst> ha ha
[02:02] <binarymutant> :D
[02:03] <wrst> but binarymutant i'm perfectly happy with gnome 3 its slick looking, modern and performs well
[02:03] <wrst> i would love to have a tablet device running it
[02:03] <binarymutant> it does look very sleek
[02:04] <binarymutant> first time i've seen it
[02:05] <wrst> takes a little getting used to and some of the defaults are stupid, but for a more or less 1.0 release of something its good
[02:05] <wrst> and much better than kde 4.0 was by a long shot
[02:05] <binarymutant> I don't think I ever saw kde4 either
[02:05] <binarymutant> just heard about it
[02:06] <wrst> its very good now binarymutant, but at the 4.0 release it was bad
[02:06] <wrst> now its very solid
[02:06] <wrst> i just like gnome better
[02:06] <binarymutant> ah
[02:06] <wrst> but both are good
[02:06] <binarymutant> does kde have side panel or still bottom?
[02:07] <binarymutant> bottom*
[02:07] <binarymutant> kde looks more like windows
[02:20] <wrst> binarymutant: yeah kde did windows 7 before windows 7 did it
[02:20] <binarymutant> lol
[02:21] <wrst> but its highly customizable where gnome-shell not as much
[02:23]  * Unit193 knows someone else on Arch that updated Gnome3
[02:25] <wrst> wow another arch user!
[02:25] <Unit193> On a few Ubuntu channels too ;)
[02:27] <wrst> that seems to be a progression some take from ubuntu to arch
[02:28]  * binarymutant finds that progression a little strange
[02:28] <binarymutant> should be ubuntu<->debian
[02:29] <Unit193> Now playing: "Carol Of The Bells" by "August Burns Red (Holiday)" on "Lost Messengers: The  Outtakes" <3
[02:29] <wrst> binarymutant: yeah i think its the oldness of packages in debian and also, arch i think is a little simpler than debian to learn
[02:29] <Unit193> Sorry, but I like this one
[02:30] <Unit193> Arch is more likly to break
[02:30] <binarymutant> wrst: unstable is where it's at
[02:30] <Unit193> But has all the new stuff
[02:30] <wrst> Unit193: never had arch to break
[02:30] <binarymutant> aur?
[02:31] <wrst> and binarymutant i tried testing still can't get gnome-shell, so moved to unstable and still no gnome-3 some dependency issue
[02:31] <wrst> binarymutant: certainly use the AUR
[02:32] <binarymutant> eh? that's not cool
[02:32] <wrst> yeah binarymutant so i wasn't too happy and the "unstabled" gnome 3 is like 3.0.something when 3.2 is out in the wild
[02:34] <binarymutant> huh it's still in experimental
[02:34] <binarymutant> 3.0.2
[02:35] <wrst> yeah thats it i had to add the experimental repo, that's the trouble
[02:35] <wrst> anyway not worth the hassle
[02:36] <binarymutant> there must be an rc bug on it or something from keeping it out of unstable, that's weird
[02:37] <binarymutant> :/
[02:38] <wrst> yeah not worth worrying with when I can get what i want with no hassle
[02:38] <binarymutant> wrst: very understandable
[02:48] <wrst> yeah, oh well, good night binarymutant think i'm heading out
[02:48] <wrst> see you later Unit193
[02:48] <Unit193> Good night mate
[12:21] <wrst> wb binarymutant
[12:26] <binarymutant> ty ty
[12:26] <wrst> how are you doing binarymutant?
[12:27] <binarymutant> good & you?
[12:27] <wrst> doing well binarymutant, have a good weekend?
[12:27] <binarymutant> it had it's ups&downs
[12:50] <wrst> mine had lots of sleep I think
[12:50] <binarymutant> lol
[12:53] <binarymutant> wish mine did
[12:53] <binarymutant> mine started out with a lot of nicotine and ended up cold turkey
[12:54] <wrst> oh goodness binarymutant that is rough, I know a guy that quit smoking and used the patches and had good luck
[12:54] <binarymutant> (although I can't get it out of my head, so I might break down and buy)
[12:54] <binarymutant> wrst: that might be a good idea
[12:54] <binarymutant> patches and/or gum
[12:55] <binarymutant> anything really
[12:55] <wrst> yeah his doctor told him to use them longer than suggested and a few other things to help him out
[12:55] <binarymutant> cold turkey isn't very fun :/
[12:56] <binarymutant> aren't those patches like 30$ though?
[12:56] <wrst> no and probably not for those around you :)
[12:56] <wrst> i have no clue binarymutant never smoked
[12:56] <binarymutant> :P
[12:56] <binarymutant> I think they're expensive
[12:56] <wrst> probably so
[13:33] <xpistos> hey all
[13:33] <wrst> howdy xpistos
[13:47] <cyberanger> wrst: even if they're 30 bucks, those patches work (compare that to WinDOS)
[13:50] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[13:54]  * cyberanger checks his watch, rattles it about
[13:54] <cyberanger> morning wrst
[13:54]  * cyberanger starts humming "on the road again"
[13:56] <wrst> where you on the road to today cyberanger? if you can let go of that info
[13:57] <cyberanger> top secret bunker #53, undisclosed location between Maryville, TN & Deals Gap, NC
[13:57] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[13:58] <cyberanger>   D'Oh
[14:36] <binarymu1ant> grrrr
[14:36] <binarymu1ant> brb
[14:44] <wrst> binarymutant: back to stay? :)
[14:46] <binarymutant> no I'm getting some bad xorg artifacts
[14:47] <binarymutant> restarting X again, sorry
[14:48] <binarymutant> so weird
[14:48] <binarymutant> but good now
[14:49] <wrst> ha ha
[14:49] <binarymutant> I set some Xft option in my .Xresources and it left really nasty artifacts all over my screen
[14:50] <binarymutant> but Xft is fonts o_0
[14:51] <wrst> way over my head binarymutant x is a mystery to me
[14:51] <binarymutant> sometimes it confuses the **** out of me
[14:53] <binarymutant> I guess Xft is like a layer over X, idk why else it would leave artifacts
[14:54] <wrst> beats me i just rejoiced when xorg.conf was no longer required for most things :)
[14:54] <binarymutant> lol
[14:55] <binarymutant> auto xorg.conf is pretty cool, took a long time to get used to though
[14:55] <wrst> didn't me binarymutant
[14:55] <wrst> now for my desktop using nvidia it uses xorg.conf, but nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig take care of all that for me
[14:55] <binarymutant> ya
[14:56] <binarymutant> I don't even think that those apps write xorg
[14:56] <binarymutant> .conf
[14:56] <wrst> and with my intel laptop its all down through the gnome display settings and that is the nicest thing, but not near the control nvidia-settings gives
[14:56] <wrst> binarymutant: the nividia stuff does write to and you can hack it if you need to
[14:57] <binarymutant> I use nvidia-settings but still don't have the .conf, it's weird
[14:57] <binarymutant> very automagick
[14:58] <wrst> hmm well, i use dual monitors don't know if that is it, or if i have been doing nvidia-xconfig and don't need to possibly?
[14:59] <binarymutant> ah, it's prolly the dual monitors that need to write it
[14:59] <binarymutant> wrst: do you do 2 different screens or the one giant xinerama screen?
[14:59] <wrst> twinview
[15:00] <binarymutant> that's the 2 seperate?
[15:00] <wrst> yes
[15:00] <wrst> but not seperate x-sessions on each screen
[15:00] <wrst> so on the left i have my gnome panel and all that jazz and on the right hand its wide open real estate
[15:00] <binarymutant> pretty cool
[15:01] <binarymutant> that's what I was doing when I had dual monitors, the one giant screen wasn't very good for games
[15:02] <wrst> no and I have to shut down one screen for games now it gets thins confused sometimes
[15:03] <binarymutant> dual is cool though
[15:03] <binarymutant> if your monitors are different sizes, moving the app into the middle of them looked really weird I remember that about xinerama
[15:04] <wrst> yeah and mine are different sizes and different resolutions, right hand is 16:10 left hand 16:9
[15:04] <binarymutant> those are huge monitors ! :D
[15:05] <wrst> nah not really one is a 19" the other is 21"
[15:05] <wrst> that's just so so by todays standards
[15:05] <binarymutant> must be a really good video card then
[15:06] <wrst> yaeh decent actually have two and running sli, but with linux you can't sli on two monitors that is disappointing or you couldn't maybe you can now
[15:07] <binarymutant> dunno, never had the hardware to do sli
[15:08] <binarymutant> sli is like parrellel video cards?
[15:08] <wrst> yeah you pretty much put the power of two cards into one output
[15:08] <wrst> you can use dual monitors in winders with sli enabled
[15:09] <binarymutant> I bet sli makes gaming super detailed
[15:10] <binarymutant> I can't even remember what that's called... parallel computing...
[15:13] <binarymutant> *cluster* duh
[15:13]  * binarymutant had to look it up
[15:16] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm not for sure never got to use it!
[15:17] <wrst> on sli, i have on windows and it improves thigns but i have lower end cards
[15:17] <binarymutant> maybe games just aren't written for parallel gpu's yet :/
[15:18] <binarymutant> it'll be forever until I get cards that I could that, I just now got a laptop with 2 processors in it lol
[15:19] <wrst> yeah I am generally on the blunt edge of technology
[15:19] <wrst> just can't afford cutting or bleeding edge
[15:19] <binarymutant> I'm on 10 years ago tech :P
[15:20] <binarymutant> not any edge, the handle lol
[15:20] <wrst> that can be painful :)
[15:21] <binarymutant> it's fun though, I get better speeds than most people with brand new computers :D
[15:21] <binarymutant> no bloat lol
[15:21] <wrst> haha
[15:21] <wrst> what are you running exactly binarymutant?
[15:22] <binarymutant> this laptop is a Latitude D630
[15:22] <xpistos> That is a solid laptop
[15:22] <wrst> yes
[15:22] <wrst> i meant os/desktop
[15:23] <binarymutant> yeah it is, it rocks
[15:23] <binarymutant> my desktop is a .. hng on
[15:24] <binarymutant> optiplex dimension 4700, but it's not used as a desktop anymore
[15:24] <binarymutant> it's just a file server these days
[15:25] <wrst> yeah those aren't bad machiens either think my moms computer maybe one of those actually
[15:25] <binarymutant> Linux on everything (of course)
[15:25] <wrst> of course, ubuntu?
[15:25] <binarymutant> debian/ubuntu yeah
[15:25] <wrst> cool
[15:26] <binarymutant> I don't switch distros like I did 10 years ago anymore, Debian is my work horse and if I need newer app versions I just compile it myself
[15:26] <xpistos> lol my old dimension 4400 is my files server too
[15:27] <binarymutant> lol but they do the job really well
[15:28] <binarymutant> no need to get a new one yet
[15:28] <binarymutant> maybe the next decade :P
[15:54] <xpistos> Still here?
[15:55] <binarymutant> of course :D
[15:56] <binarymutant> idk why my network kicks me off so much
[16:03] <binarymutant> now I must kill ppl [in UrbanTerror]
[16:16] <wrst> have fun binarymutant :)
[17:29] <binarymutant> and back
[17:30] <binarymutant> intense
[17:31] <binarymutant> whoa bitbucket does git now? that's pretty cool! github doesn't do hg yet lol
[18:19] <wrst> wb... again... binarymutant :P
[19:07] <xpistos> Am I falling out of this chair?
[19:12] <wrst> no you are not
[19:34] <cyberanger> xpistos: lookss wobbly, maybe
[19:37] <wrst> greetings cyberanger
[19:39] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[19:39] <wrst> how are you doing cyberanger?
[19:40] <xpistos> back
[19:40] <xpistos> wrst: fyi, my arch install ... humming
[19:40] <cyberanger> wrst: well, lets just say it's simplier driving alone
[19:41] <xpistos> flying down the pike with icewm installed
[19:42] <wrst> cool xpistos, it really flies if you set it up to :)
[19:42] <wrst> cyberanger: amen!
[19:43] <cyberanger> only three people in the car, and I've got 4 opinions on where to go, irritating
[19:43] <cyberanger> only one should matter, the driver
[19:43] <xpistos> cyberanger: I got two words for you
[19:43] <xpistos> Ejector
[19:43] <xpistos> Seats
[19:44] <wrst> ha ha xpistos
[19:45] <cyberanger> xpistos: well, considering who the passengers are, and the owner of the car, I've got one work
[19:45] <cyberanger> backfire
[19:45] <cyberanger> ejecting your folks from your mom's car, not wise
[19:46] <cyberanger> i did actually consider chucking the gps out the window, but settled for shutting it up by disabling the route
[19:48] <cyberanger> I reseaarch where i'm going for twice as long as driving it takes, plan alternate routes
[19:48] <cyberanger> consider detours, construction
[19:49] <cyberanger> that gps doesn't factor that and can get confused as to what road your on, if there is a parellel road
[19:49] <cyberanger> not to metion the map software is 5 years old
[19:51] <cyberanger> on topp of that, they didn't want me driving in cinniniti, but this route bypasses it, only 5 miles of ohio between indina & kentuckey
[19:52]  * cyberanger notices my typing is real off, between bumpy road& this small keyboard, and not running spell check attm
[19:54] <cyberanger> wrst: so yeah, good, next year I go solo and leave the nag-a-tron at home
[19:55] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
oh wait, I don't own a nag-a-tron, wonder why</scarsam>
[19:58] <cyberanger> I learned a long time ago what a nuicense these trips can be, hence why in june 2010 I outfitted with celluar internet to offset the annoyances
[20:02]  * cyberanger has nothing against GPS, satnav however, it's just one more distraction
[20:02] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: "Bitbucket now rocks Git"
[21:21] <binarymutant> ya I got the email, pretty nifty
[21:21] <binarymutant> brb
[21:33] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: github doesn't do mercurial, so it's a +1 for bitbucket atm
[21:35] <binarymutant> ok idk what's going on with irc, I got logged off while playing UrT but in game stayed online... weird :/
[21:43] <binarymutant> bitbucket should go ahead and do every version control software, it shouldn't be too hard
[22:16] <Unit193> Well, I'm sure you could guess what I made to eat :P