[07:10] help [07:10] somebody? [07:15] !ask | sebastian [07:15] sebastian: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [14:01] Good morning [14:01] morning :) [15:32] good morning [15:34] hey micahg [16:41] Looking more and more like we will have to remove a language pack from Alternate AMD64 image. [16:41] The image is 702.3 MB [16:42] WTH happened... [16:46] no idea, it grew two days in a row last week [16:47] either wed thurs or thurs fri [16:48] I think both images grew, but 386 had more room [16:54] micahg: libwebkit??? I think did it [16:54] hello [16:55] helloo [16:55] hello.. [16:55] Hello, karloskar [16:56] i have made two backgrounds for xubuntu [16:56] Great! [16:57] is there any place i can share them [16:58] I will have to set up a page for Oneiric. [16:59] The page will be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Oneiric , but it does not exist yet [16:59] charlie-tca: each 7MB still [16:59] micahg: I don't know then. [17:00] we should've had both before [17:00] but we grew from 676MB for beta2 to 702MB now [17:01] karloskar: give me today to set the page up, we will mention it in the final release notes [17:02] here the first one is : http://tinypic.com/r/n1z87o/7 [17:02] What are the licenses? [17:03] Are they your own material? [17:03] it have not any license, i made it yesterday [17:04] is there any license i can put on it thats free? [17:04] heres the second one: http://tinypic.com/r/2i8kakp/7 [17:05] Okay, so who knows the licenses here? Is GPL recommended or cc-?? ? [17:05] did you like them? [17:06] I am partial to the second one, yes [17:06] I can't see good with black/dark backgrounds, so that makes the first one hard for me to judge [17:07] ok, here is the license, i think. im not good at that stuff http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ [17:08] karloskar: I am not either, but mr_pouit is. He knows what works best for us. He just isn't around right now [17:08] ok [17:09] is it not any sounds in xubuntu? [17:09] I will get the wiki set up today, though. And we can include a reference to them. [17:09] You have to turn them on, they are not on by default [17:10] ok [17:11] charlie-tca: depends what you're integrating with [17:11] re licenses [17:11] were do i turn them on? [17:15] karloskar: did you unmute the volume control? double-click the speaker in the panel, turn the volume on [17:16] thanks [17:16] micahg: I tend to think of "what if we decide to use one at some point" [17:17] I used to think public domain was the best license, but then my country does not respect "Public domain" :( [17:17] Yeah, I think a lot of artwork gets licensed cc-by- but I can't remember the rest of it [17:18] Meeting in 1½ hour? [17:21] Um, yeah, sure is [17:21] I am scatter-brained today [17:21] hehe, was just a bit unsure, with all the time zone changes to winter time an all that [17:22] charlie-tca: all depends on the possible level of integration you want with other projects [17:22] madnick: that's why I keep it in UTC time, we can all adjust to that, but the time stays the same in at least that time zone. [17:23] oh :) [17:23] micahg: that's why I defer to others for licensing. I only know sometimes they are not okay to use [17:34] and, yes, time changes still are confusing [17:34] I don't even know when I change time again now [17:36] in the US, it's Nov 6 [17:37] really? That should make traveling and settling down after UDS fun [17:38] yes [18:30] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 Minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:01] charlie-tca: meeting? [19:01] oops [19:01] sure [19:02] I'm in another meeting ATM, but will try to participate [19:02] #startmeeting Xubuntu [19:02] Meeting started Mon Oct 3 19:02:30 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [19:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:02] Okay, thanks, micahg [19:02] #meetingname Xubuntu Community Meeting [19:02] The meeting name has been set to 'xubuntu_community_meeting' [19:03] The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:03] Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. [19:03] Would everyone here for this meeting please wave, say hello, or something. This lets the meeting bot record those present [19:03] \:D/ [19:03] o/ [19:04] o/ [19:04] o/ [19:04] o/ [19:04] Welcome, touchpad [19:04] ty [19:04] Is this your first meeting with us? [19:04] yes [19:04] #topic === Old Business === [19:05] * madnick to test blueman in ppa:micahg/patch-test - Done [19:05] I have to say, blueman developers are very response to bugs at this time. [19:05] * verify top 10 FAQ and check help links in 10 [19:05] Has anyone verified these yet? [19:06] * docs need a version bump (s/11.04/11.10) [19:06] This is done, also [19:07] Okay, that is all the old business I can remember [19:07] #topic === Team updates === [19:07] #subtopic ==== Packaging & Development ==== [19:07] mr_pouit: are you available? [19:08] micahg: are you available for this update? [19:09] I guess so [19:09] It's all yours [19:09] mr_pouit updated the seed for blueman after I got the updated version in [19:09] charlie-tca mentioned we might need to drop a langpack for amd64 live [19:10] alternate [19:10] charlie-tca: live according to cdimage.u.c [19:10] right, you said alternate, but it's actually live [19:10] blueman had a couple bugs I"ll try to look at tonight or tomorrow [19:10] sorry [19:11] charlie-tca: not a problem :) [19:11] I'm not aware of any other updates needed before release, please let mr_pouit or I know if you see something we overlooked [19:11] .. [19:12] bug 437883 which is blueman crashing on login has a fix committed in bzr [19:12] Launchpad bug 437883 in blueman (Ubuntu) "blueman-applet crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437883 [19:13] Thank you very much, micahg [19:13] We now have most of the updates from Xfce for the translations too [19:13] charlie-tca: I guess I need to pull a new upstream blueman snapshot [19:13] yup [19:14] maybe I"ll cherry pick the commit [19:14] This week is mostly bug fixing, so we should not see massive changes any more in Oneiric [19:14] I'd rather not pull in extraneous changes at this point [19:14] That would work too [19:14] Yes, the less the better now [19:15] Any questions for packaging and development? [19:15] charlie-tca: any other ones like that that I should pull in? [19:15] None that I know of [19:16] ok [19:16] That's the only fix I have seen that we haven't gotten yet [19:16] charlie-tca: can I give you the package to test later? [19:16] Sure, I can test it [19:16] thanks [19:16] I can't test blueman, but I can test for the crash [19:17] #subtopic ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== [19:17] We have done great testing our images! [19:17] Thank you very much to all the testers [19:17] This is the last week we test oneiric daily [19:18] Most of the critical for Xubuntu bugs have been fixed, and keeping them at We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot has been a big help. [19:18] Any questions for testing? [19:18] #subtopic ==== Website & Marketing ==== [19:19] pleia2: are you available? [19:19] knome: any update on the website? [19:19] hi [19:19] Hello, pleia2 [19:19] Any update today? [19:20] a few days ago I copied over some of the content from the live site to our testing wordpress site [19:20] in this process I identified some issues, so knome has submitted a couple patches to the theme and the picslide plugin that canonical will need to pull in [19:20] so we're continuing to work on the content migration as this moves along [19:20] that's about it :) [19:21] Thank you very much [19:21] I still have hopes we make it for the release :) [19:21] #subtopic ==== Artwork ==== [19:21] ochosi: are you available? [19:22] For those using greybird in Oneiric, you might have noticed some small changes, in the scrollbars and panels. [19:23] These are to help with those of us that can't see so good anymore, and have less than perfect mouse control [19:23] Thank you, ochosi, for that! [19:23] Any questions on artwork? [19:23] Many thanks also to madnick, we now have the new wallpaper in lightdm. [19:24] Any questions up to this point? [19:24] #topic === Announcements === [19:25] just to see if you are paying attention: [19:25] * The next meeting will be on Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 22:00 UTC. [19:25] * This will be the meeting to elect a new project leader. [19:25] * Important dates coming up: [19:25] * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta2 Freeze; archives will remain frozen until final release. [19:25] charlie-tca: no meeting next week? [19:25] * 11.10 Final Freeze: September 29 [19:25] * Final candidate testing starts on October 10 [19:25] * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 [19:25] October 23? [19:25] * We need to update the Team Reports this week. [19:25] Not if we don't need one [19:25] You did notice? [19:25] next 2 weeks... [19:26] Next week is release images, then we get a break [19:26] We will discuss the final release and pick a new leader October 23 [19:27] Please make notes about things you see a need to improve for the final release [19:27] Team Reports! We seem to be behind again, so will have to roll August and September into one report [19:28] Any comments? [19:28] o/ [19:28] go ahead, beardygnome [19:28] so we don't meet again until after oneiric release? [19:28] correct [19:28] o/ [19:29] go ahead, madnick [19:29] does one need to use the ML to nominate lead? Or will there be a normal vote as well on IRC? [19:29] Yes, nominations need to go to the Mailing List to keep them official [19:29] The actual vote to elect the new lead will be on IRC at the October 23 meeting [19:30] oh okay [19:30] We have less than two weeks now to final release of Xubuntu 11.10 [19:31] * https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users is for those new to Xubuntu. Please join this team if you are contributing or using Xubuntu. This is the group that will elect the next project leader. [19:31] #subtopic Nominations for Xubuntu Project Lead [19:31] * Nominations for project lead are now open. [19:31] * Those wishing to nominate themselves or others should do so by email to either mailing list, or myself (charlie-tca@ubuntu.com). [19:31] * Nominations will close October 20, 2011, and the community election will be held at the meeting on October 23, 2011. If there are issues with this, please let us know between now and October 20. [19:32] #topic === Any Other Business === [19:32] This is now an open floor for any other discussion. [19:33] I do want to thank everyone who has helped to make Xubuntu 11.10 successful! Your hard work has made this a really good, usable release for our users. [19:33] I also want to thank everyone for coming to these meetings. Your participation is what makes Xubuntu strong. [19:34] beardygnome, jayson_r : I expect to see reviews of 11.10 from both of you. [19:34] plantoschka: I hope you are doing a review also, please. [19:34] charlie-tca: for the website? [19:34] Is there anything else? [19:34] beardygnome: sure, we need one for the website. [19:35] i wasn't sure if i should do one this time [19:35] Also, you all have great blogs that need to have reviews posted [19:35] pleia2: we can put a review on the website, right? [19:35] i will definietly do a youtube video [19:36] cos if there's things i don't like then i don't want to skip them but i don't want to criticise the team either [19:37] Criticism that is accurate and helps the team improve is welcome. [19:37] charlie-tca: it's up to the team, right now all we post on our team news page are release announcements and instructions from team members (how to do artwork, etc), we can add a reviews section of the site where we link to reviews, or decide to cross-post reviews we find to our news blog [19:38] I like the idea of a reviews section where we link to reviews because it's a pretty common thing to have [19:38] I think a review along with the release notes would be great [19:38] Let's do it, then. [19:39] For reviewers, final release is October 13, so the reviews should be October 13 or later [19:39] or at least real close, since the images are pretty accurate already [19:39] Anything else to discuss? [19:40] We should welcome touchpad and jayson_r and ElderDryas to the community. [19:40] and, of course, anyone else that is new here! [19:41] * zus waves and thanks everyone [19:41] Thank you all for joining in. Please get yourselfs signed up to the users team on launchpad! [19:41] #endmeeting [19:41] Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 19:41:37 2011 UTC. [19:41] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-10-03-19.02.moin.txt [19:42] and, now, how are Magnavox CD-R's for testing? [19:42] Is there somewhere information/pointers about ways to contribute? [19:42] simple ways to start contributing to the community [19:42] http://xubuntu.org/devel [19:43] nice :) [19:44] Oh, I forgot! [19:44] pleia2: just noticed this on http://xubuntu.org/devel - point 3 says "Join and contribute to one or more of the many different projects and teams of Xubuntu listed below", but the teams are listed above it [19:44] Testers: after the release, we get about a month to relax before we get alpha1 images to start testing again [19:47] Q: these testing img. would i create another partition and dualboot? run a virtual box, my laoptop is the only machine able to link to a internet connection, and is my workplatform. [19:47] pleia2: would you prefer me to send it to the ml? [19:47] beardygnome: can you just https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+filebug ? I am super busy this month so keeping all bugs there would help me lots :) [19:48] pleia2: will do [19:48] gracias [20:04] well, zus left. I will answer when they come back, then [20:05] I try to contact with translations team of Xfce but wierd, I didnt recaive any response, even on mailing list :( [20:07] today or tommorow I start install Xubuntu 11.10 on normal machine and testing it :) Core 2 Duo E6300, 512 MB RAM (try to add some more), GF7600GS, 160GB :) [20:07] Yay! [20:08] Olbi: that would be great, but don't do it if you *have* to use the machine for work [20:08] it is only for testing :D [20:08] I have too, Athlon II x2 250, 2x2GB Kingstone HyperX 1600 MHz, 320GB, Radeon 5750 Vapor-X :D [20:08] only for testing :) [20:09] That's good then! [20:09] Having more testing always helps. [20:09] :) [20:10] I will check translations for my language and stability cause want some identicall machine give my familly for work :) [20:12] That's a good way to do it then. [20:12] could some1 help me contact with translation team of Xfce? not know but for future [20:37] Olbi: from an Xfce developer: [20:37] He or she should go to http://translations.xfce.org and create an account for Transifex [20:38] Then chck transifex to see if there is a head of the Polish translator team. [20:38] The person would have to contact that moderator or the team leader via Transifex [20:39] Olbi: more information at http://wiki.xfce.org/translations - here's even more information [20:40] charlie-tca: ok, thank you :) [20:40] You are welcome. [20:50] If you can't make it to the next meeting, you can't vote, right? [20:50] correct [20:51] According to the guidelines, the project lead will be chosen by direct vote at a public meeting, which kind of limits that part of it. [20:54] I wasn't sure if GPG signed/encrypted message or talking to someone else would count, but I didn't think so [20:55] genii-around: Howdy [20:55] You just keep stalking me... [20:56] It didn't occur to me to change that to allow direct voting through a voting site or anything, so we have to go with people present. [20:56] My imagination is wild. I could just see 600 people show up here for the meeting and everybody trying to vote ;) [20:58] LOL :D [21:07] Unit193: I got back to computer and saw call for meeting here, thought I'd drop in to see if anything was still going on [21:24] I don't remember if Bug 863599 is on record anywhere, but I didn't see it with the talk of Blueman [21:24] Launchpad bug 863599 in blueman (Ubuntu) "blueman-manager crashed with AttributeError in SetAdapter(): 'module' object has no attribute 'DBusServiceUnknownError'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863599 [21:25] oops [21:25] missed that one today [21:26] Is that in the bug reporting wiki page? [21:26] I would guess not [21:26] I will add it [21:27] Ok, I was just about to (it isn't( [21:27] Maybe micahg will get a chance to look at it today/tomorrow [21:27] s/t(/t)/ [21:27] go ahead and add it if you want to. [21:28] I will, it's "my" bug [21:29] Thanks [22:09] charlie-tca: sorry, couldn't make it to the meeting [22:09] No problem. [22:10] Next meeting is October 23, 22:00 UTC to elect project lead [22:10] yup, noted :) [22:12] You already guessed I couldn't make it, but I'm not as needed as head of artwork ;) [22:13] Yup [22:14] I stumbled through it the best I could [22:14] Unit193: ah, i'm only a humble contributor, i'm not even officially a member of anything ;) [22:15] ochosi: Well, you do well anyway! I'm sure you're a member of Xubuntu ;) [22:16] All you guys need to join https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users so you can vote! [22:16] thanks [22:16] charlie-tca: yup, i did that a few days ago [22:16] Oh, then you are a member of something... ;) [22:16] hah - touché! [22:17] I'm on there also, just not in -team [22:19] -team has higher requirements that -user, have to contribute for a while, make the wiki page, then we get to talk about you [22:21] charlie-tca: hm, theoretically i have all that, but i guess i'd need to be approved as an ubuntu-member by a loco first, right? [22:21] I understand. That's why for a while I didn't try to add it, I wouldn't think I am now, just making it clear I do want to help [22:21] loco or board or mr_pouit [22:22] oh, and project lead [22:22] rly? but then i'd only be a xubuntu team member, not a ubuntu member, right? [22:22] (i was kinda considering that for being able to post to the planet with artwork updates) [22:23] right [22:23] Yeah, to post to planet you have to ubuntu member [22:23] You can do that through a loco, or through the membership boards [22:24] yeah, i remember looking at the meeting schedules the last few months, but it was never possible for me to attend [22:24] ah, that is an issue still. [22:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [22:26] I'll be wanting to go for that at some point [22:35] charlie-tca: I was unaware that locos can grant membership, I thought that was only through an RMB [22:35] Same here [22:36] The loco council can grant membership, I think. So can IRC council. [22:36] AFAIK, these are the possible routes to Ubuntu membership: RMB, DMB, IRC council, Kubuntu Council, Edubuntu Council, Mythbuntu something [22:37] ah, loco council... [22:37] Sorry, maybe loco council can not do it yet, but I thought that was changed now [22:37] I know Xubuntu can't give membership [22:37] not listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil [22:38] charlie-tca: do you want that ability? [22:38] Used to be so easy to remember... membership boards [22:38] micahg: not until Xubuntu has it's own council in place and working [22:39] well, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Mythubuntu are all delegates of the DMB WRT membership [22:39] It is too much for one or two to be granting membership [22:39] ah, Ubuntu Desktop is another delegate [22:40] I think it is enough to say "appear at the membership board, we will support you there" [22:40] Unit193: so, you probably want a regional board: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards [22:42] There is a list under Other venues for obtaining Membership on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [22:43] sure, but unless it's an IRC or forums membership, an RMB seems appropriate in this case [22:43] micahg: That's probable. Someone told me IRC membership was their guess :P [22:43] (When the time comes that is) [22:44] Unit193: AIUI, your contributions are mainly testing/bug filing, right? [22:44] meh, meeting was today... :/ (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA) [22:45] You can go to any of the boards that you want to. You do not have to go to the one for the area you are in. [22:45] micahg: Here? Yes, but that's not the only team I'm in (I would link wiki/LP, but no need for that) Not much bug filing TBH [22:46] yep, that's true [22:46] charlie-tca: right, didn't know that [22:46] Unit193: ok, well, I'm happy to help direct you to the right place [22:46] It's easier to make the one that meets when you have time, instead of the area [22:47] micahg: Thanks! I try not to bother you since you're one of the devs :) (Also, don't think I would be accepted at this time) [22:48] Unit193: I think I've gotten better about telling people when I'm too busy, so feel free to ask [22:49] Well, we're on the subject, may as well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193 https://launchpad.net/~unit193 [22:49] Unit193: 6 months sustained contribution that benefits the project is the minimum [22:53] Unit193: yeah, sounds like either IRC or RMB would be a good fit once you have 6 months + testimonials [22:55] micahg: Aye, but you have to be able to sell yourself well. I have been in here and other channels since March [23:06] charlie-tca: Do we have October on the testing doc? I don't see it there, but it could be the computer acting odd [23:12] Unit193: no, I haven't added it yet. We can add the tests to September for now [23:14] And we still do need them [23:15] I have many things to try and get done today and tomorrow [23:16] Ah, sorry. Page didn't fully load so it stopped at Oktober 2nd [23:19] No problem. Better to ask than not to know [23:19] Anything I can help with? [23:20] We add a full week of the next month to each page [23:20] no, not really [23:21] I just have a ton to do the last couple of weeks of the release cycle [23:21] Heh, I bet [23:21] I also have accessibility to get ready too, so it adds to the list [23:21] well, I got to go eat tonight. [23:21] bbl