DarkwingDuckScottK: ping00:24
ScottKDarkwingDuck: pong00:33
DarkwingDuckScottK: Do we do any user metrics with downloads or, have the ability to do that with Kubuntu?00:33
ScottKNo.  Popcon is the only data I know about.00:34
ScottKAnd you have to be very careful not to assume it means more than it does.00:35
DarkwingDuckLike Debian Popularity Contest?00:36
* DarkwingDuck goes back to his thinking.00:36
DarkwingDuckpopcon.ubuntu.com I found it... But, nothing for distro...00:37
DaskreechDarkwingDuck: do you mean ISOs or packages?00:37
ScottKLook at popcon for kubuntu-defaults00:37
DarkwingDuckYes, for the ISOs00:38
DarkwingDuckDaskreech: ^^00:38
Daskreechcdimages should have some stats but I'd suspect that is highly skewed by torrent downloads00:38
DarkwingDuckYeah, I was worried about that.00:39
ScottKSince a lot of it's done through the mirrors, we don't have anything like complete data.00:39
* DarkwingDuck ponders00:39
Daskreechpull the torrentfor kubuntu and at any point there are something like 300 seeds so the number of downloads are likely quite high from that source00:39
DarkwingDuckYeah, I'm trying to figure out another way to track the information.00:40
DaskreechWhat are you trying to get to?00:40
DarkwingDuckRegional demographics.00:40
DaskreechIf it's accuracy then that's probably not going to happen00:40
DarkwingDuckIt's a math thing that I'm going for.00:40
Daskreechthe closest things I could think of are updates00:40
DarkwingDuckI'm just trying to gather more accuate data then "best guess"00:41
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apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/vW6WM.png as first start screen?09:59
apacheloggerbulldog98_: shadeslayer: what do ye think?09:59
apacheloggermhhh my plasma exploded09:59
apacheloggeror maybe just until initial disk cache has been obtained10:00
apacheloggerwhich would get rid of the ugly start button10:00
ryanakcaScottK: Sysadmins agreed to flip the switch around release date.10:46
ryanakcaScottK: To be specific, they said "Hi, I'll set the ticket to remind us to update on release."10:46
KRFi used to like that look10:59
apacheloggerit is like well sexy11:00
KRFmh, gwenview, not so much11:01
KRFthe splitter handles had been quite ugly. now i recall that.11:02
* yofel_ likes the login screen though11:03
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skfinKDE 3 was ugly anyway11:28
apacheloggerKRF: it least it didn't take 30000 years to start11:34
apacheloggeractually this might all be nepomuk's fault to begin with11:34
KRFapachelogger: yeh, that's what i still miss somewhat nowadays :(11:37
apacheloggerapachelogger says: back to the roots11:40
dpmhey all. I've just noticed that libqalculate has got some translations in the imports queue, and it seems to be because the package is not building a translation template. However, I've noticed that there are only very few translations, so I thought before filing a bug I'd ask. Is libqalculate a package that is being maintained and we want translations for?11:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: uh, why should i press start if i already launched the app12:05
apacheloggermy point exactly12:08
apacheloggersupremacy is my name12:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: what could be done is, show that page ( without the start button ) for half a second and then flip it12:20
shadeslayeri.e. using the flip animation thingy12:20
shadeslayerand show the schedule12:20
shadeslayerin that 0.5 secounds you could start fetching data and everything12:21
shadeslayerfun fact, i got a 10 year US visa12:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: nah, what is the point of showing it for half a second12:22
apacheloggerI got an all better concept12:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: alright12:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: sort of a 'Loading' screen12:23
apacheloggeryeah, but there is no loading once we have a cache12:23
apacheloggerdpm: I do not think libqalculate is maintained by us12:27
apacheloggerthough it is used for some calculator stuff in KDE, not sure if that requires translations though12:28
dpmapachelogger, there are a few translations, though, but the fact that there were only 4 or 5 made me think it was suspicious. If it's not maintained by you guys, I'll just ignore the translations in the imports queue12:29
apacheloggerseems someone broke pot creation12:29
dpmyou mean in general?12:30
apacheloggerup until maverick there was the following in the rules12:30
apachelogger$(RM) intltool-extract intltool-merge intltool-update \12:30
apacheloggerthen it got synced from debian despite that, which probably is the reason there is no template12:30
dpmoh, I see, that makes sense re: why the translations end up in needs review. What would you suggest to do on this one?12:31
apacheloggernot quite sure, we could re-add pot creation I suppose12:32
* apachelogger is not quite sure why it got synced from debian12:33
apacheloggerthere was no sync request filed apparently12:33
apacheloggerseem Riddell conducted the upload12:34
apacheloggerRiddell: pingping12:34
Riddellwhat what?12:34
apacheloggerRiddell: libqalculate was synced from debian in natty, however that broke pot creation12:35
apacheloggernow we have translations lingering in the import queue without template12:35
Riddellso I should just add back the template creation?12:36
apacheloggerwould be best I suppose12:38
apacheloggerunless you think it is not worthwhile having12:38
dpmif it makes sense to have those translations in Ubuntu, I think it would be best, too12:38
apacheloggerthere are only like 3 languages12:38
dpmyeah, that's the part that made me suspicious12:38
Riddellthere's nothing in maverick to make translation templates12:42
ScottKryanakca: Cool.12:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml4.mp412:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: for initial caching there is the startup screen, after that it is instant as we have a local cache ready to go12:50
shadeslayerah cool12:51
shadeslayerapacheloggther: that spinny thing is a gif? or something else?12:51
apacheloggerpart of the nokia components12:52
apacheloggerprobably a qml animation12:52
shadeslayerah ok12:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: don't assume i understand QML :P12:53
apacheloggerit is a set of images loading into an image element animated using a numberanimation :P12:54
shadeslayerfrankly, i find QML weird12:54
shadeslayercan't explain why, but i really find it weird to work with12:54
apacheloggerprobably you are not thinking declarative enough12:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: remember when people used to use this : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Nokia_3310_blue.jpg12:58
shadeslayerlife was so much easier :P12:58
apacheloggerwhy yes12:58
shadeslayerinfact, i quite distinctly remember my first game of snake on that phone12:59
apacheloggerwhy? did you score 202004055682?12:59
shadeslayernope, just a measly 3013:00
apachelogger30, ha!13:00
apacheloggerI hope you are ashamed 13:00
shadeslayeri remember it because it was something really cool at that time :P13:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: i got better at it!13:00
apacheloggerare you saying snake is no cool nomore?13:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: noth with all the fancy graphics coming out13:01
apacheloggerinteresting fact... phones have regressed so far you cannot even play a game as simple as snake anymore13:01
shadeslayerhah, true13:01
* apachelogger actually has a 3310 lying around here somewhere13:05
shadeslayeri still have my first 1100 13:07
apacheloggercan it run Qt?13:07
apacheloggerwhy not?13:07
shadeslayernokia didn't add support for Qt13:07
* apachelogger waves fist13:08
apacheloggerQml debugging is enabled. Only use this in a safe environment!13:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: kgetsource doesn't show the progress when its downloading the tar13:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: also, we should use rsync now since ftpmaster supports rsync13:12
apacheloggerwhy is that?13:13
shadeslayerbecause it's better, mainly because it's useful for people on slow connections like me :P13:14
apacheloggerwhy is it better?13:14
shadeslayerbecause i've yet to see scp resuming copying of files13:15
shadeslayerand something is eating my xevents13:15
shadeslayeri can't click on anything anymore13:15
apacheloggerqev to the rescue \o/13:15
shadeslayerkeyboard works, i can move my mouse, no clicking13:16
* apachelogger blames driver13:17
* shadeslayer blames X13:17
* apachelogger blames kde413:18
apacheloggerkubuntu 5.04 is way more usable really13:18
apacheloggeralso faster13:18
apacheloggeralso sexier13:18
apacheloggertry getting such a well balanced appearnce with plasma13:18
apacheloggerand how simple theming used to be13:19
* apachelogger sighs13:19
shadeslayeri can move the sidebars in quassel13:19
apacheloggerI blame quassel then13:20
shadeslayeryay, everything works after restarting quassel13:22
shadeslayerSput: quassel is eating my xevents :O13:22
shadeslayerwhen i click the lineedit to chat in a IRC channel13:23
apacheloggerthose finger nails are not touch enabled13:24
apacheloggersend in the UX designers13:25
shadeslayer[ 5300.596010] chrome[2084]: segfault at ffffffff95784d68 ip 00007f7b8ffa0c08 sp 00007fff508cecb0 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0[7f7b8ff6b000+133000]13:31
shadeslayerthats ... no words for that13:31
wendarQuintasan_: I tried to call ProLine today, but they aren't answering13:35
wendarQuintasan_: I'll try email13:36
apacheloggerwendar, Quintasan_: FWIW... if all else fails I can bring it from UDS to austria and ship it off to poland13:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: i had a krazy idea, try out Kubuntu 5.04 on a tablety arm device ( or whatever was the first release to have ARM packages ) :P 13:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: I do not think we ever had KDE 3 on arm14:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: like i said, whatever was the first ARM release with KDE packages14:12
apacheloggerbut what would the point be?14:12
shadeslayerfor the lulz14:13
shadeslayeri thought i was in a screen and did c-a c-c14:13
shadeslayermy kdepim build got terminated :/14:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you get anywhere with ios stuff?14:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: not yet, was looking at moc and stuff today and it'll take some time figuring out14:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: it'll take some time before figuring it out correctly14:22
apacheloggerwhy is that?14:22
apacheloggerfrom what I understood there is not much to figure14:23
shadeslayerbecause i have no idea how xcode works14:23
apacheloggerjust to moc ^^14:23
shadeslayeryeah, have to generate that too14:23
shadeslayerIf thats it, i can do that at college tomorrow, didn't get any time today, but tomorrow's schedule is completely empty14:24
shadeslayerryanakca: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ARM looks weird14:33
GirlyGirlshadeslayer: ARM demand will go up a bit when windows 8 comes out14:34
shadeslayerI thought it was already very high seeing the number of devices coming out 14:35
apacheloggerit can go up further? :O14:35
GirlyGirlWindows 8 will have a arm build as well that's wy14:35
apacheloggerso does windows phone 7 and yet it does not have considerable share of the produced units14:37
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim] Rohan Garg * 178 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release14:58
shadeslayeri pity the builder which has to build kdepim14:59
BarkingFishwhy, shadeslayer?15:04
BarkingFishis it a problematic build, or just inordinately huge?15:04
shadeslayerBarkingFish: latter15:04
shadeslayermy i7 core peaked at 86 oC and shut down X15:04
BarkingFishholy [censored for the good of mankind]ing hell.  My poor P4 Xeon would catch fire then.15:05
shadeslayerhahah :D15:05
* BarkingFish has the temptation to pull the lp source and have a go...15:06
shadeslayeri find it weird that the i7 has a very low threshhold15:06
shadeslayermy core2duo has a threshold of 100oC15:07
shadeslayerhttps://gist.github.com/1261894 :P15:07
BarkingFishthe i7 shouldn't go to thermal shutdown until 100°C either, shadeslayer, according to google15:08
shadeslayerCore 0:         +51.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)15:08
apacheloggerBarkingFish: it definitely goes into shutdown at 10015:08
apacheloggeronly some models have a critical thres of 11015:09
apacheloggerIIRC that is :P15:09
shadeslayeryup, it clocks down everything at 86oC15:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: why would that shutdown X though?15:09
shadeslayerCore 0:       +82.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)15:09
shadeslayerthats on my core2duo ^^15:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: cores couldn't handle X at 500 MHz probably :P15:10
macoshadeslayer: last time i tried one of those giant kde builds, my system ran out of disk space and killed the build15:10
shadeslayerhaha :D15:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: that is weird, X should cause almost no CPU load15:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: huh, well, it's either X or kded15:10
apacheloggermore likely latter :P15:11
* apachelogger has a threading issue15:11
shadeslayerbecause my X restarts and i land up in kdm15:11
* apachelogger never has threading issues15:11
* apachelogger doesn't like this one bit15:11
apacheloggermy secondary eventloop does not want to terminate15:12
shadeslayerkill it with fire and semaphores ? :P15:12
shadeslayeror starve it to death15:12
apacheloggerI think it is being smart15:12
shadeslayerI never quite figured out the use of a 'Hyper Terminal' on a windows machine till today15:14
apacheloggerwhat is that?15:14
shadeslayerinterfacing serially via RS232 :P15:14
shadeslayerwe interfaced with a 8051 microcontroller today15:15
apacheloggerwhy would you do that on windows?15:15
shadeslayerbecause thats what the computers in the lab run15:15
* apachelogger begins to think that threading a qnetworkmanager is a bad idea15:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: trying to optimize downloads are we now ? :P15:16
apacheloggerthat is one of the first things the uds app had15:16
shadeslayeroh, so why do you thread qnm?15:17
apacheloggerso that we do not block the UI15:17
shadeslayerah ok15:17
apacheloggerit would probably not make much difference to hold the qnam in the main event loop and just do parsing et al in the thread15:17
shadeslayermaco: i usually run out of space when i build stuff in tmpfs, but that's happened only once or twice with kde4libs or some giant package15:18
shadeslayerand even thats going to change after i get myself some moar RAM15:19
apacheloggerwhat is interesting though is that apparenlty I do not get a signal when the QNAM gets destroyed or something15:19
shadeslayer8 GB's of moar RAM that is15:19
apacheloggermeaning I cannot even abort the event loop15:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: you could emit one after destroying it15:19
macoshadeslayer: this is why i upgraded to a 500gb hdd :P15:20
apacheloggerI am not destorying it15:20
shadeslayerhehehe :)15:20
skfin8 GB's of RAM might be just enought to run nepomuk and strigi15:20
apacheloggerthis all happens at app quit15:20
BarkingFishsorry about that, shadeslayer 15:20
BarkingFishbloody wifi is about as much use as the last ham sandwich at a jewish buffet :P15:20
apacheloggerso the main event loop is stuck waiting for the threadpool to finish, but it cannot because the eventloop inside is blocked until the qnam returns15:20
shadeslayerskfin: it's actually more about how big a file is in your home dir15:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: aah15:21
shadeslayerBarkingFish: lol15:21
* apachelogger emits ponders15:21
shadeslayerskfin: for eg. nepomuk crashed when trying to index a ubuntu ISO, and spawned new child processes while indexing the ISO15:21
apacheloggerI cannot15:21
* apachelogger has no ponders15:21
apacheloggergood lawd15:21
BarkingFishanyway, as I said to you before I got so rudely disconnected by my wifi stick being a sod, the i7 series don't usually go into Thermal shutdown until 100°c either - the 2600K has a thermal warning limit of 90°c15:21
apacheloggershadeslayer: y u not add ponders?15:22
yofelshadeslayer: actually, I pity the builder that builds workspace more15:22
yofelafter all we build that twice15:22
skfinshadeslayer: U MAD?15:22
shadeslayertrue that15:22
shadeslayerskfin: hahaha :D ... it actually consumed all 8 cores before i noticed15:22
shadeslayerand then i turned indexing off15:23
yofelshadeslayer: and you can add my poor server to that, for some reason I did the workspace build on it and it was hopelessly swapping at the end ...15:23
skfinThats more like it, nepomuk!15:23
apacheloggerthere is nothing like good software15:23
BarkingFishi might go again, i'm pulling kdepim's source to have a shot at seeing if I can destroy my PC!15:23
yofelshouldn't be too hard15:23
yofel~karma nepomuk15:24
kubotukarma for nepomuk: 115:24
skfinapachelogger: Yea, either the code is crap or the user experience is crap. In some cases both are crap15:24
shadeslayerskfin: read trueg's blog lately?15:24
apacheloggerI agree15:24
apacheloggerif nepomuk had prn enablement it would be way better15:25
skfinshadeslayer: I red that they are fixing the most annoying issues15:25
skfinBut my coffee 'aint crap. User experience is great and I guess that the code can't be crap since there aren't any15:26
shadeslayerskfin: so i guess we can hope for a better experience in 4.8 or KDE 515:26
skfinshadeslayer: Uhmm, yes. I really hope so :)15:26
skfinNepomuk, strigi and akonadi would be awesome without those performance issues15:27
shadeslayerskfin: have you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41bmTSogA415:27
skfinAnd with less memory hogging15:27
skfinAnd cpu time hogging15:27
apacheloggerQThread: Destroyed while thread is still running15:27
skfinAnd less cpu time hogging*15:27
skfinAnd less disk i/o hogging15:27
skfinshadeslayer: UHHH! That's AWEESOOOOOMEEEEEEEEEE15:28
shadeslayerskfin: now add that to dolphin's search or to krunner15:28
shadeslayerskfin: and you know what .... it's just indexing subtitles :D15:29
apacheloggerjust what I need15:29
apacheloggersearch your prn15:29
skfinNot so awsome :/15:29
apachelogger"uhh" "ahh" "ewwwww"15:29
apacheloggerthat will result in kinky prn15:29
skfinapachelogger's prn day?15:29
apacheloggerevery day is prn day15:30
shadeslayer  Uploading kdepim_4.7.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1_source.changes: 5k/6k550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ['General error', 'General error', 'General error'] : Permission denied.15:30
skfinah, that's why kubuntu has so much packaging issues?15:30
* skfin hides.15:30
shadeslayerthey're not issues, they're features15:31
skfinAh, yes15:31
yofelthat error is actually a launchpad feature15:31
skfinOne at #kubuntu-fi had some issues with oneiric installion, fresh installion + installing upgrades = libc disappeared somehow15:32
skfinThat was strange15:32
shadeslayeryofel: i guess thats the first feature i've seen in a while then :P15:32
* yofel tries to remove libc615:32
* shadeslayer hides15:32
skfinAnd neither apt or dpkg logs didnt help, only reference to libc was when dpkg removed it. There was no clear reason why15:32
shadeslayerTo continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'15:33
cyphermoxScottK: after further checking, I can't see what I could change to help with ad-hoc on Kubuntu. everything seems in order, since you don't actual have a way to immediately defaut to the settings for ad-hoc/shared internet connection, one would just create a connection manually (and ipv6 already defaults to Disabled there)15:33
yofelskfin: considering aptitude marks 175 packages as broken if I remove libc6 - that should've been somewhat impossible...15:33
ScottKcyphermox: OK.  Thanks for investigating.15:33
skfinyofel: Yes, and it didnt really say that why it did remove it15:34
shadeslayersame with apt, it wants me to explicitly confirm removing libc615:34
skfinAnd it didnt remove any other packages, just libc615:34
yofelnow I would like to know though why libc6 isn't 'essential'15:34
cyphermoxnp. afaik it's all good, I even tested on a livecd and successfully created a WPA ad-hoc network, which used to not work.15:34
yofelhm, it's actually required15:35
yofelshadeslayer: uh... did you forget the launchapd feature that makes bzr-git behave differently on launchpad than it behaves on jelmer's  PC?15:36
shadeslayeryofel: hah, thats feature 0 then :P15:36
shadeslayerskfin: i *think* its because of multiarch15:36
shadeslayerRemove: libc-bin:amd64 (2.13-20ubuntu2)15:36
skfinWell it was amd64 installion15:37
apacheloggerissue fixed \o/15:37
shadeslayerand in install :  libc-bin:i38615:37
yofeloh yeah, aptitude *does* want to remove libc6 if you have conflicts and multiarch enabled15:37
yofelthat should only be aptitude by now though15:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: the code just got loads more ugly15:37
shadeslayerto the bug mobile15:37
GirlyGirlSo that I don't waste bandwidth, is it worth updating to 4.7.1 or waiting for 4.7.2?15:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: :S15:37
skfinyofel: There is no aptitude on that system though...15:38
shadeslayerGirlyGirl: uh, kind of hard to answer that question, is there a particular bug that is annoying you right now and you know is fixed in 4.7.115:38
yofelskfin: what did he use actually?15:38
skfin*she* used apt-get as the logs say15:38
skfinLogs dont say the command15:38
GirlyGirlshadeslayer: I don't know whether it is fixed but there is one15:38
shadeslayerCommandline: apt-get install chromium-browser15:38
shadeslayer^^ looks like she tried to install chromium-browser15:39
shadeslayerGirlyGirl: do you have the bug id?15:39
shadeslayerah wait, thats a different thing15:39
skfinshadeslayer: see that there is log close after installing chroimium-browser15:39
shadeslayerskfin: yofel looks like she tried to upgrade imho15:40
GirlyGirlshadeslayer: Never even reported it but plasma crashes every now and then and when it restarts the panel colours are messed up a bit15:40
skfinBut why it did remove libc-bin:amd64 is a myster15:40
skfinfor me15:40
shadeslayerGirlyGirl: hmm ... can't really say without a bug id, you're on oneiric right?15:40
GirlyGirlshadeslayer: One one machine yes on others no15:41
yofelfor me too, unless someone retries that exact situation with apt Debug::pkgProblemResolver set to yes15:41
shadeslayerGirlyGirl: then for oneiric, i would say that you can wait till 4.7.2 gets packaged, 4.7.2 for natty is going to take some time15:42
yofelbtw. just curious: as we seem to be notoriously bad at remembering to upload kubuntu-dev-tools. Does someone have an idea where we could put a daily build of that?15:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/uds/browser/src/RemoteManager.cpp#L10515:46
apacheloggeryou know15:46
apacheloggerI really thin someone should refactor my remotemanager15:47
apacheloggerbecause even I get the feeling that it is somewhat unreadable15:47
bulldog98_apachelogger: looks nice15:51
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kanagram] Rohan Garg * 12 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release15:51
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shadeslayerok something that i've not understood till this date15:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: whats the difference between : #include <QtCore/QDebug> and #include <QDebug>15:51
shadeslayeris it just a more verbose way of including headers?15:52
apacheloggerit allows compilation with restrictive include paths15:53
apacheloggerthus speeding up building15:53
apacheloggeri.e. one -I/usr/include/qt4 suffices to build everything15:53
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Kdelibs_Coding_Style#Qt_Includes15:53
KRFapachelogger: eh, i wouldnt say this speeds up building15:54
apacheloggerKRF: if yer compiler has to run through a bazillion include paths before getting to the one that contains QDebug it certainly does15:54
KRFnot using it adds a minimum cost of searching the right include file through some subdirectories (which is cached anyway)15:55
KRFnot sure you'll notice it at all :)15:55
apacheloggerit all depends on the size of the project of course :P15:55
* apachelogger really wonders how nokia imagines that one makes a listdelegate's text elide without hacking the delegate code itself -.-15:59
shadeslayerhah, i discovered a typo in a RFC16:03
apacheloggerhappens more often than one would think16:03
shadeslayeruh, wth, nonce is a word O_O16:03
yofelprobably from the same weird dialect that oneiric is from16:04
shadeslayer"There is no challenge or nonce used."16:04
apacheloggerdon't mock the oneiric16:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: sure it is16:05
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kwordquiz] Rohan Garg * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release16:05
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeplasma-addons] Philip Muškovac * 171 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release16:14
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Jonathan Kolberg * 13 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release16:20
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksnapshot] Rohan Garg * 13 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release16:39
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/cantor] Jonathan Kolberg * 11 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release16:48
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole] Rohan Garg * 14 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:00
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kgamma] Jonathan Kolberg * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:10
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kcolorchooser] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:13
bulldog98yofel, shadeslayer do we want to do a challange? Who can package most packages in short time :)17:14
shadeslayerbulldog98: no!!! that might lead to bad packaging17:15
yofelwe're already fast enough IMO17:16
bulldog98shadeslayer: ok rule #1 packaging must be good :)17:16
bulldog98yofel: that was what I thought, too :)17:16
yofel+ we would all need the same system17:16
yofeland shadeslayer has no eeePC :P17:16
bulldog98yofel: ok that’s a point for you :)17:17
bulldog98!cookies yofel17:17
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about cookies yofel17:17
yofelkubotu: order cookies for yofel17:17
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to yofel.17:17
bulldog98~cookies yofel17:18
yofeloh, lintian learned about dep-517:18
yofelW: kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer source: missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright paragraph 4 lgpl-2+17:18
bulldog98yofel: oha that sounds nice :)17:18
shadeslayerthen again, my internet connection is the bottleneck17:18
bulldog98shadeslayer: don’t complain about yours :P17:19
yofelah, it's lgpl-2+, but the full license is marked as lgpl-217:19
bulldog98yofel: licensing is an nice thing17:20
yofel~karma bulldog9817:22
kubotubulldog98 has neutral karma17:22
yofelthat sounds wrong17:22
bulldog98whoho 17:22
yofel~karma bulldog9817:23
kubotukarma for bulldog98: 117:23
* bulldog98 dances a karma gain dance17:23
yofelbetter ^^17:23
DarkwingDuckyay. Translating docs17:23
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kgeography] Jonathan Kolberg * 10 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:24
* bulldog98 has written a completion for signing packages on yofel’s computer17:26
DarkwingDuckRiddell: ping17:26
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/khangman] Jonathan Kolberg * 10 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:26
bulldog98Riddell: ping17:27
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ping17:27
yofelkdegraphics-thumnailers has:17:27
yofelW: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright paragraph 2 copyright17:27
yofelbut I can't see anything wrong:  http://paste.kde.org/13020717:27
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksane] Rohan Garg * 14 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:31
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/ (changelog control copyright) * New upstream release * debian/copyright: It's lgpl-2+, not lgpl-217:33
Quintasan_wendar: You might went to try this number tomorrow: 664999904 . They are open to 16:00 UTC. 17:35
shadeslayerso, who uses bzr builddeb --builder pdebuild here?17:35
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
Quintasanshadeslayer: use bzr builddeb -S and then pbuilder :P17:35
bulldog98Quintasan: don’t use builddeb at all?17:36
* shadeslayer looks17:36
Quintasanbulldog98: Why? It's not awesome but it works17:37
bulldog98should one modify the packaging copyright?17:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: i actually want a way to generate the changes files for the PPA17:37
shadeslayerwith ~ppa1 in the version17:37
bulldog98Quintasan: I’ll try17:37
Quintasanbzr builddeb -S then17:37
Quintasanor bzr-buildpackage -S17:37
Quintasanbulldog98: Well, is something has changed then yes17:38
bulldog98Quintasan: only trivial things, so no update17:38
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksaneplugin] Rohan Garg * 19 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:39
shadeslayerok, last package for the night17:39
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegraphics-thumbnailers] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:40
Quintasanwell, adding additional copyright holders would be an acceptable change 17:40
bulldog98Quintasan: so should I add me as an copyright holder on the debian/* copyright in every package I packaged?17:42
yofelnot really, that falls under the Kubuntu Developers (C) - probably the only place we do copyright assignment17:42
bulldog98yofel: maybe someone should go through the bzr braches and check for that, then I could add an part in kgetsource that updates that section, if the year is to old.17:45
yofeltrue, would be nice to have that automated for next year, our current copyrights should be ~right I think17:45
bulldog98yofel: saw one that was owned by apachelogger17:47
apacheloggeryofel: copyright assignment?17:48
shadeslayerhuh, i see a couple of rfc's on ftpmaster17:53
shadeslayeri wonder who downloaded those17:53
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kig] Jonathan Kolberg * 12 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release17:55
yofelapachelogger: wasn't not marking your work as owned by you but someone else copyright assignment?17:55
yofelbulldog98: not as xsbc-original-maintainer?17:55
apacheloggeryofel: why yes, and how would you do that in our context and whom would it be assigned to?17:56
bulldog98yofel: no in the copyright file (check for eg. khangman17:56
yofelapachelogger: I was just saying it in the context that out packaging is owned by 'Kubuntu Developers'17:56
apacheloggeroh that thing again17:56
apacheloggerso kubuntu developers became a legal entity yet?17:56
ScottKLeaving aside the question of it there's even enough originality in packaging to merit copyright of any kind ...17:56
ScottKapachelogger: Did you see the phonon/pulse email on kubuntu-devel?17:57
ScottKWould you please answer it?17:57
yofelthat's why I don't really care17:57
* apachelogger could also make a release but doesnt really feel like it17:57
ScottKOK.  Could you point me at the needed commits?17:58
apacheloggerScottK: there is none yet, see what Dan wrote17:59
apacheloggerPA should be fixed, not phonon17:59
yofelbulldog98: marking kimono as not-to-be-done because it's not in the archive is wrong - it's missing qyoto, but that is free for everyone that wants to do it18:01
bulldog98yofel: ok do you want to chage that?18:02
kubotubulldog98 meant: "yofel: ok do you want to change that?"18:02
yofelI'll do it18:02
* yofel wonders if dirk went on vacation18:03
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kiten] Jonathan Kolberg * 18 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:06
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmplot] Philip Muškovac * 11 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:07
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  Thanks.18:08
bulldog98yofel: can you find kletters on ftpmaster?18:10
yofelftpubuntu@ftpmaster:~/stable/4.7.2/src$ ls -lha klettres-4.7.2.tar.bz2 18:11
yofel-rw-r--r-- 1 ftpadmin packager 2.7M Oct  2 15:00 klettres-4.7.2.tar.bz218:11
yofelnote the klettREs18:12
ScottKwhoever did kdeadmin, please pull from bzr.  I just updated 4.7.1 for oneiric and so you'll need that change.18:12
yofelI did I think, updating18:12
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kolourpaint] Philip Muškovac * 13 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:13
txwikingereep... moun-update froze18:14
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kross-interpreters] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:17
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 194 * debian/changelog merge changelog entries18:20
yofelbulldog98: don't edit a wiki while I'm editing it please...18:33
bulldog98yofel: oh sorry18:33
bulldog98didn’t saw you editing18:34
yofelI think we both opened the editor pretty much at the same time18:34
yofelas I opened it as soon as I saw you being done with the edit before18:34
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/step] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:45
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kstars] Rohan Garg * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:48
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Philip Muškovac * 14 * debian/ (changelog control copyright) * New upstream release * debian/copyright: - Fix licensing text for LGPL-218:49
shadeslayerk i'm off to sleep18:53
bulldog98shadeslayer: night18:53
bulldog98shadeslayer: night18:54
yofelreading the changelog for the debian-policy 3.9.2 again, some of our packages claim to be 3.9.2 conformant while not being so (If I understand this right)18:54
yofelshadeslayer: gn18:54
yofelproblem is: * Policy: Require human Maintainer or Uploader, clarify Maintainer18:55
ScottKUbuntu doesn't use that part of policy.18:55
ScottKIt should probably be clarified in ubuntu-policy.18:56
yofelwell, the ubuntu-policy is at 3.8.218:56
ScottKSo when it's updated, that should be clarified.  I'd suggest file a bug against it.18:56
yofelScottK: as a matter of fact, it's already filed: bug 81726418:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 817264 in ubuntu-policy (Ubuntu) "Policy should be reviewed and/or merged with latest debian-policy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81726418:58
ScottKyofel: Right.  I was thinking something specific to the human maintainer thing.18:58
bulldog98nice in parley the copyright of every python file is missing18:58
ScottKhow ironic is it that "Linux for Human Beings" doesn't require a human maintainer.18:58
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/svgpart] Philip Muškovac * 25 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release19:00
bulldog98fregl: parley python files miss a copyright note19:00
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kruler] Jonathan Kolberg * 13 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release19:01
yofeloh, dirk woke up19:02
yofelnow let's see what his scripts meshed together this time ^^19:03
yofeloddly enough, kdeutils is fine...19:12
yofelRiddell: where was that 'make bzr ci behave like debcommit' code again?19:14
yofelI can't commit kdeutils19:14
yofelwell, not without -m that is19:15
bulldog98Riddell: could you sync the desktopsummit pic with the pad?19:16
yofelguess -m will have to do for now19:16
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeutils] Philip Muškovac * 133 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release19:17
bulldog98yofel: how to fix the copyright issues in parley and kturtle?19:20
yofelask ScottK, if it's upstream issues, get it fixed upstream and repackage19:21
bulldog98yofel: upstream19:21
yofelI'm not sure if a missing copyright note is that much of an issue though19:21
bulldog98ScottK: ? ^19:21
ScottKIt should be fixed.19:22
ScottKIf it's just a missing note on one file and it doesn't add a different license, I'd just fix it upstream and not sweat it here.19:22
bulldog98ScottK: it about half of the files in the tar19:23
ScottKDoes it change the licenses?19:23
bulldog98there is simply no license claimed in there, so nobody knows if it’s GPL or what19:24
ScottKWhat package?19:24
bulldog98parley and kturtle19:24
ScottKWhat's an example file?19:24
bulldog98parley all python files, kturtle all ruby ones19:24
* bulldog98 goes to bed tomorrow is university again19:29
apacheloggerit is half past nine! :O19:31
apacheloggerScottK: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/src/pulse/version.h.in?id=7563e0bbb54fbac54e77f3a62d9761a70f3a559c19:46
alleeI work on digikam 2.2.0 pkgs.  Is there a page describing/sketching the workflow and tools currently used.  I assume you guys don't start with apt-cache showsrc to find vcs-bzr and checkout20:00
Riddellyofel: bzr-builddeb plugin should do that20:02
RiddellDarkwingDuck: you pung?20:02
yofelRiddell: translate "can't commit" into: bzr crashes with bug 86780820:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 867808 in bzr (Ubuntu) "bzr crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _escape_cdata(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc5 in position 11: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86780820:03
yofelbut without an editor -m is the only way to remove my name from the commit message contents20:04
yofelallee: we have some script in lp:kubuntu-dev-tools bin/ that help, for example 'kbzr co digikam' 20:06
yofel*some scripts20:06
yofelalso, the Vcs branch is always 'lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/<package>' so once you know it you don't need to look it up20:07
alleeyofel: thx, I'll check them while digikam builds here.20:08
yofelryanakca: how does one reach https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Home?action=userprefs&sub=prefs from the new wiki?20:13
yofelryanakca: the top bar of the old wiki theme had a prefrences entry, the new one doesn't20:14
Riddellbulldog98: updated20:20
alleeyofel: some more pkgs hints?  Pkgs libkvkontakte-data in 2.1.1 had only .mo file in it.  In 2.2.0 they don't exist.  So better to remove the pkgs or create an empty pkg as 2.2.1 may contain translations again and in this case we avoid NEW pkg queue?20:28
yofelno translations? - if the package is empty, comment it out in the control file20:29
alleeyofel: dh_install complained (debuild -nc) and find * -iname libkvkon*.mo found nothing too.  Okay so I comment out20:31
alleeyofel: as it's not clear if another 2.1.1 revision or 2.2.0 is next for oneiric or 'p' release,   I don't want to bzr pushto kubuntu-packagers' digikam repo.  Where's best to 'store' the 2.2.0 changes so other do find it an don't do work a second time?20:34
yofelI would still push to bzr, for P it defenitely makes sense to use 2.2.0, and if one needs to SRU 2.1.1 for oneiric-updates we don't use the main packaging branch for that20:36
alleeyofel: ok20:37
* yofel is off to bed - good night21:03
ScottKallee: Mark it UNRELEASED in debian/changelog.21:14
alleeScottK: ok.21:17
DarkwingDuckRiddell: sorry, you there now?21:18
RiddellDarkwingDuck: here I am21:19
DarkwingDuckRiddell: For the updated kubuntu-docs with translations... Do I just package it up and send it to you again?21:20
Riddellyes, although not by e-mail preferably21:21
DarkwingDuckRiddell: What is the recommened way to get it to you?21:21
Riddellput it on a web server?21:22
DarkwingDuckahhh, then give you the link?21:22
DarkwingDuckAhhh, kk. My people.ubuntu.com accound just became useful.21:22
kubotuDarkwingDuck meant: "Ahhh, kk. My people.ubuntu.com account just became useful."21:23
DarkwingDuckRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Kubuntu/kubuntu-docs/   Thanks mate21:31
alleewhat's the bzr bd euivalent to debuild -nc.  It's not --reuse as I learnt right now, because digikam start building again :(22:07
RiddellDarkwingDuck: hmm only the english docs get into the package22:08
DarkwingDuckRiddell: Only the english ones?22:19
DarkwingDuckRiddell: This is my first year doing this.. so, it will auto pull from where for the languages?22:20
macoDarkwingDuck: language packs?22:20
Riddellmaybe editing LN=C in makefile is what's needed22:21
DarkwingDuckOkay, ignore that one then, I'll get it fixed. :)22:21
DarkwingDuckWhat's the deadline for it?22:21
DarkwingDuckwait, I'll look it up22:21
RiddellI'm wrong on the makefile thing22:26
Riddell10.10.2.1 is the last version I can find with translation22:26
DarkwingDuckWas it all bundled together?22:26
DarkwingDuckThat was the last time we bundled translations?22:28
* ScottK is topping off pim stuff one more time.22:32
ScottKDo we need to rebuild pyside? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/86792722:33
ubottuUbuntu bug 867927 in pyside (Ubuntu) "ImportError PySide phonon.so. undefined symbol: _ZTIN6Phonon19AbstractAudioOutputE" [Undecided,New]22:33
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^22:33
DarkwingDuckRiddell: Before I call and annoy nixternal... Can you see what changes I need to make to the docs?22:41
RiddellDarkwingDuck: this looks important http://paste.kde.org/130345/22:43
Riddellfrom the debdiff between 10.10.2 and
claydohScottK: i am getting  new errors on a previously working kmail setup :(23:39
* claydoh tosses a grenade at kmail223:40
* kb9vqf hits kmail2 and the grenade with an RPG :)23:43
* claydoh blames ScottK, as it was working *almost* fine until he fiddled with it23:49
claydohluckily the namespace errors are only in one dimap account, and one that is a spam trap mostly anyway23:51
claydohScottK: so far I have not found one person who has had a successful migration23:54
claydohIt does appear that the migrator works only if run manually23:54
claydohaddresses and calendars seem to be fine, as well as maildir mails and cached imap ones as well. 23:55
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I'll fix it up and give it back23:57

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