[00:02] <coz_> Roasted,  havent tried it,, no printer working here,, but wouldn't surprise me
[00:05] <robin0800> Roasted, works for me but you might have to install drivers if there is no pdd for your printer
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> chrome now has "Enable syncing sessions"
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> Enable sessions in the sync options. This allows syncing your sessions to other clients.
[00:36] <robin0800> FernandoMiguel, yes it works great between laptop and desktop
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> have to try it :D
[00:39] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, which version are you using?
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: 15.0.865.0 (Developer Build 98568 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10
[00:44] <bjsnider> could you pastebin your .xsession-errors?
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> sur
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> let me check if it is safe
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> -rw------- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 595K 2011-10-04 01:45 .xsession-errors
[00:45] <bjsnider> ok, the last 50 lines or so
[00:46] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: PM
[00:50] <bjsnider> fabien really needs to update chromium for oneiric, but i can't track him down
[00:52] <genClone> hi
[00:53] <genClone> im trying ubuntu 11.10... its unbelievable how many bugs there are still...
[00:54] <genClone> its very buggy
[00:54] <genClone> not halting the event to suspend (there is even no such option on the menu)
[00:54] <genClone> ive just installed the propietary ATI driver, and now the splash screen is like veryyyyy very low resolution
[00:55] <genClone> even the installation bar progress didnt run properly....
[00:55] <dr_willis> plymouth and the prop. drivers often fight. :-(
[00:57] <genClone> some times, max close and min button dont come up
[01:00] <genClone> and also, sometimes, the wifi manager is not working (showing no networks) although it's connected to my network
[01:00] <robin0800> genClone, iv'e got both suspend and hibernate have you run update manager yet?
[01:00] <genClone> robin0800: yes, it's totally updated
[01:02] <genClone> to be honest i've got those problem with suspend and hibernate since the 10.10.... but didnt care about
[01:02] <genClone> hope to be fixed in this version...
[01:03] <robin0800> genClone, is this a clean install?
[01:03] <genClone> robin0800: yes, it is....
[01:03] <genClone> all disk formated
[01:28] <AAA_awright> Where do I go to set the screen DPI?
[01:35] <robin0800> AAA_awright, not sure you can if you find out please let us know
[01:36] <AAA_awright> I *used* to be able to under the last release
[01:36] <AAA_awright> I can't find it anymore
[01:36] <AAA_awright> And actually Ubuntu completely erased all my UI settings including DPI and desktop background
[01:41] <jbicha> AAA_awright: what was your background?
[01:41] <AAA_awright> It was a wallpaper out of ~/Pictures
[01:41] <AAA_awright> Of my own
[01:41] <AAA_awright> Specifically from Penny Arcade, set to Zoom
[01:42] <jbicha> hmm, well a lot of setting migrated from gconf to gsettings, maybe that one didn't copy over
[01:42] <AAA_awright> I had a few more added that I could switch between, those seemed to have disappeared
[01:42] <AAA_awright> I can't point out any UI settings that copied over
[01:43] <AAA_awright> Also, the power manager is running on startup again, which is a problem: Unplugging this laptop causes the system to freeze after showing a message that the power is "Critically low"
[01:50] <Tohuw> Hi, can someone running a clean 11.10 give me the output of dpkg --get-selections|grep indicator-* ?
[01:50] <Tohuw> More specifically, someone who did NOT upgrade to 11.10, but used a fresh install, and has never installed Evolution
[01:50] <jbicha> AAA_awright: for power, install dconf-editor and navigate to org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power and try unchecking the active box
[01:51] <AAA_awright> That appears to be in the dconf-tools package
[01:52] <jbicha> yes
[01:53] <AAA_awright> gnome-settings-daemon just crashed
[01:53] <AAA_awright> But the setting seems to be changed
[01:54] <AAA_awright> Is the battery supposed to show when I'm plugged in?
[01:54] <AAA_awright> the icon, I mean
[01:58] <johnjohn101> when i quit banshee, my song still plays
[01:59] <jbicha> AAA_awright: yes the power icon always shows (if you have a battery) but not if you unchec that box
[02:00] <Tohuw> Where can I view a complete list of packages selected in a default 11.10 x86_64 desktop install?
[02:00] <jbicha> but turning off power is usually a bad idea
[02:01] <jbicha> maybe you need to just set critical-battery-action to nothing
[02:03] <bjsnider> Tohuw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/702014/
[02:03] <jbicha> AAA_awright: I probably don't have enough information to be giving you random tips
[02:04] <Tohuw> bjsnider: fantastic, thanks
[02:04] <bjsnider> Tohuw, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64.list
[02:04] <bjsnider> that's your second question
[02:04] <Tohuw> Even more thanks
[02:05]  * Tohuw heaps gratitude on bjsnider 
[02:05] <sindile> just upgraded to oneiric and my other repositories have disabled on upgrade to oneiric how do i change this
[02:05] <ActionParsnip> sindile: open software centre and re-enable them, not all of them may not support oneiric
[02:06] <Tohuw> hmmm, bjsnider, that only seems to list the files in the image... I was hoping for an exhaustive list of package selections. :( Oh well, your first answer told me what I really needed to know.
[02:06] <bjsnider> that list is what's insalled in an ubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <bjsnider> i must have misunderstood your question
[02:07] <Tohuw> Understood, but it isn't the package selections. In other words, what I really want is the complete dump of dpkg --get-selections right after a fresh 11.10 desktop x64 install
[02:08] <bjsnider> wait, no it isn't
[02:08] <bjsnider> this is:
[02:08] <bjsnider> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64.manifest
[02:08] <bjsnider> the manifest
[02:09] <bjsnider> all of the cds and dvds have manifests i think
[02:09] <Tohuw> aha! perfect. Thanks, bjsnider
[02:30] <genClone> another bug, I get different active resolution depending if I look at it in System Settings - System Info and  Top-Right corner and Display
[04:11] <jschall> how usable is 11.10 beta 2?
[04:11] <Nattgew> compiz still crashes for me
[04:12] <jschall> Nattgew: compiz was the reason i swapped to kde... it still exists?
[04:12] <Nattgew> yeah... was really good before upgrade
[04:12] <jschall> Nattgew: i never liked it. it wasn't integrated well.
[04:13] <jschall> Nattgew: or it didn't feel well-integrated
[04:13] <jschall> Nattgew: whereas kde's felt flawlessly integrated.
[04:16] <Nattgew> jschall: integrated how?
[04:16] <jbicha> jschall: Unity 3D is a compiz plugin
[04:17] <jschall> jbicha: i couldn't use unity when i tried it in natty... it was awful, i ran into bugs or usability issues immediately...
[04:17] <jschall> Nattgew: i don't know. feels like the defaults are more sane, has a good configuration utility that's easy to access
[04:18] <jschall> Nattgew: whereas configuring compiz was a nightmare as i remember it
[04:18] <jschall> Nattgew: and it wasn't configured right by default
[04:19] <jschall> jbicha: i'm not really familiar with unity. i tried it when my mom got her new laptop before i switched it to kde for her
[04:19] <jschall> jbicha: system76 laptop
[04:20] <jbicha> jschall: well one nice thing about Ubuntu is that there are lots of desktops you can use, Unity 11.10 is generally better than 11.04 but it's not for everyone
[04:20] <jschall> jbicha: i just was looking at gnome 3
[04:20] <jschall> jbicha: screenshots and stuff
[04:20] <jschall> jbicha: and i want it so bad.
[04:21] <jschall> jbicha: but i hated unity. it was so horrible.
[04:21] <Nattgew> jschall: Gnome 3 is cool but it seemed worse to me than Unity
[04:21] <jschall> Nattgew: buggy?
[04:21] <jbicha> jschall: if you're using (K)ubuntu 11.10, gnome-shell is an easy install away
[04:21] <jschall> Nattgew: or what?
[04:21] <ali1234> gnome-shell seems less buggy than unity
[04:22] <ali1234> but just a lot more complicated and annoying
[04:22] <ali1234> i thought it looked good in the screenshots too
[04:22] <Nattgew> jschall: not buggy, it's just that while Unity is still sort of traditional desktop, Gnome 3 changed even more
[04:22] <jschall> Nattgew: i've wanted to move away from the "traditional desktop" for a while.
[04:23] <ali1234> gnome-shell is still a traditional desktop
[04:23] <jschall> Nattgew: because i don't ever use the desktop. kde has all these widgets and crap to put on your desktop and i never use a single one, its just blank and i cover it up with a maximized browser window.
[04:23] <ali1234> just with a much more complicated workspace manager
[04:23] <Nattgew> jschall: me too... it's hard to find an interface that works for me, though
[04:24] <jschall> and the windows-style taskbar is totally dated...
[04:24] <Nattgew> ali1234: yeah, that's what I meant... the desktop is pretty much the only constant
[04:25] <ali1234> the taskbar is still the most efficient way of switching between windows if you have more than about 3
[04:25] <ali1234> unless you use one of those keyboard only WMs
[04:26] <jschall> i'd rather have something where i hit a button and it pops up a row or column of my windows, ordered by most recent use, with previews
[04:26] <jschall> and then i could just click on one
[04:26] <ali1234> "ordered by most recent use" is a big problem for me
[04:26] <jschall> similar to alt-tab but modified a bit
[04:26] <ali1234> i don't like having to hunt around for things
[04:26] <ali1234> stuff should stay where i put it
[04:27] <ali1234> not moved around all the time based on what the computer thinks i want
[04:27] <jschall> ali1234: ok, so maybe separate buttons? one for recents, one for alphabetical?
[04:27] <Nattgew> jschall: interesting idea...
[04:27] <ali1234> or how about... just keep them in the order i opened them in
[04:27] <jschall> it's just like what android does, you hold the home button and it pops up your recently used apps
[04:27] <ali1234> and then we could keep it on the screen all the time
[04:28] <ali1234> and call it a task bar
[04:28] <jschall> ali1234: i love it!
[04:28] <jschall> ali1234: =P
[04:29] <jschall> my problem is, i end up with more windows open than the taskbar can reasonably handle.
[04:29] <ali1234> i actually like the expose switching except for one thing
[04:29] <ali1234> which is that the windows move around every time
[04:29] <jschall> for example, multiple terminals
[04:29] <jschall> and i can't tell which terminal to click
[04:29] <ali1234> they should be arranged based on where they are on the screen, so that you can just remember which one is which, without having to look at the tiny previews
[04:29] <jschall> and the previews are too small to read the text in the terminal
[04:29] <ali1234> (which btw, are broken in oneiric. sometimes you just get a white rectangle instead of the window)
[04:30] <jschall> and i can't even read the name of the window because i have so many windows open that there isn't any text, just icons.
[04:30] <ali1234> yes
[04:30] <ali1234> which brings the other issue
[04:30] <ali1234> unity has to have a mode that isolates workspaces
[04:30] <ali1234> clicking thelauncher should never take me to another workspace
[04:30] <ali1234> and expose should only show windows on this workspace
[04:30] <jschall> ali1234: oh, that was one major, major thing that i hated about unity. it kept swapping me to different workspaces
[04:31] <ali1234> yeah it's really annoying
[04:31] <ali1234> you're doing something in one workspace
[04:31] <jschall> ali1234: and i didn't understand why it was doing it
[04:31] <ali1234> then you go to another one to check your email
[04:31] <ali1234> you have to follow something up so you try to open a terminal to check something
[04:31] <jschall> ali1234: and i didn't understand how to manually change workspaces
[04:31] <ali1234> but instead of getting the terminal on this workspcae, or a new window, it instead takes you back to what you were doing before
[04:31] <jschall> ali1234: and i have no idea how the average user would figure those out if i couldn't.
[04:32] <ali1234> then you have to switch back
[04:32] <ali1234> and this time, middle click on the terminal icon
[04:32] <ali1234> which doesn't even work for all apps
[04:32] <ali1234> if you middle click gedit you get a new tab, not a new window
[04:32] <Nattgew> i like how windows has the shift click for new windows
[04:32] <ali1234> i'm not sure how i'm supposed to view to source files side by side with the awesome window snapping feature, when it won't let me open two windows
[04:33] <jschall> so anyway, there's only 10 days till release, is 11.10 beta 2 good enough to start using?
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> jschall: I'd say so but others have had a hard time with it
[04:33] <jschall> guess i could just virtualize it...
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> jschall: so in reply all I can say is "maybe"
[04:33] <jschall> how can i remove unity on 11.10?
[04:34] <jschall> i'm going to play with it in a VM
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> jschall: use XFCE, KDE or some other DE
[04:34] <jschall> ActionParsnip: i want to try gnome3.
[04:34] <IdleOne> !notunity
[04:34] <jschall> ActionParsnip: just without unity... because i already know unity blows chunks.
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> jschall: then use gnome shell instead of unity
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> jschall: works fine here
[04:35] <jschall> ActionParsnip: cool
[04:35] <jschall> just totally not familiar with gnome any more
[04:35] <ali1234> yeah... neither gnome shell nor unity(3d) works particularly well in a VM because of the requirement on accelerated graphics
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> ali1234: use unity2d then...
[04:35] <jschall> ali1234: eh, i think virtualbox can handle it.
[04:35] <ali1234> expect it to glitch out, corrupt the display, or just not load at all
[04:35] <Nattgew> Gnome shell wouldn't run on my netbook while Unity would...
[04:35] <ali1234> virtualbox is what i use
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> ali1234: you can get basic 3d in vms
[04:35] <jschall> 3d works pretty well in virtualbox.
[04:35] <ali1234> basic, extremely buggy 3d, yeah
[04:36] <ali1234> it works about as well as nouveau
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> ali1234: yes but it does exist
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> nouveau rocks
[04:36] <ali1234> it crashes within about 5 minutes whenever i try to use it
[04:36] <jschall> i hear vmware's 3d support rocks pretty hard.
[04:36] <ali1234> to put it another way, it works about as well as either of the ati drivers
[04:36] <jschall> but vmware workstation expensive, right?
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> ali1234: works fine on my 6150LE onboard 512Mb
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> jschall: VMWare workstation is free as in beer
[04:37] <jschall> ActionParsnip: it is?
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> ahh workstation isnt free
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[04:38] <jschall> ActionParsnip: 30-day evaluation
[04:38] <ali1234> player is free
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> player is free
[04:38] <jschall> ActionParsnip: $199.00
[04:39] <jschall> i don't think player has the 3d support
[04:39] <Nattgew> they do have free products... vmware server?
[04:39] <ActionParsnip> nextag have VM workstation for 180 USD
[04:40] <ActionParsnip> server is free according to the link
[04:41] <jschall> will drivers for virtualbox 3d be installed by ubuntu automatically?
[04:44] <ActionParsnip> jschall: its part of a default install, you can install guest additions also
[04:52] <jschall> alright, it is installing in a VM!
[04:52] <jschall> ooooooooooor not!
[04:53] <jschall> the installer encountered an error transferring files to the hard disk
[04:53] <ali1234> don't clikc "download updates"
[04:53] <jschall> didn't.
[04:53] <ali1234> i dunno then
[04:53] <jschall> i was just about to comment that the new installer looked cool
[04:54] <jschall> and then it just did that.
[04:54] <jschall> i wish virtualbox didn't trap alttab
[04:54] <jschall> i'm sure there's a way to change that...
[04:55] <jschall> it seemed to happen immediately after i chose a timezone
[04:55] <ali1234> that stuff runs in parallel
[04:56] <jschall> no, it's not related to timezone
[04:56] <jschall> it says errno 5: input/output error
[04:58] <jschall> just going to screw with virtualbox settings...
[05:02] <jschall> maybe my iso is corrupt...
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> jschall: did you md5 test the iso?
[05:16] <jschall> ActionParsnip: can't find an md5 for it. just redownloading from a different source
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> !hash
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> !hashes
[05:18] <jschall> ActionParsnip: no betas there
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/MD5SUMS
[05:18] <jschall> ActionParsnip: i already redownloaded from another source.
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> jschall: still needs checking
[05:18] <jschall> i highly doubt it was a corrupt file anyway...
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> it needs testing so that you know the data you are using is error free and complete
[05:20] <jschall> ActionParsnip: one i just downloaded matches, one i downloaded before doesn't.
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> jschall: thats why you should ALWAYS check the download
[05:22] <jschall> ActionParsnip: and no error
[05:40] <jschall> well, 3d stuff isn't working...
[05:40] <jschall> glxgears runs, but at 500fps vs 8500 fps on host
[05:41] <jschall> whatever, i'll just install on this laptop i have sitting right here...
[05:59] <Kiranos> [11:29:26] <Kiranos> Hi I'm running ubuntu 11.10 and my desktop goes into hybernate or something after 1h and the only thing returning it is one press on the powerbutton on the chassi
[05:59] <Kiranos> [11:29:33] <Kiranos> I'm not using a laptop
[05:59] <Kiranos> [11:29:43] <Kiranos> is there a way to turn this off?
[05:59] <Kiranos> [11:29:47] <Kiranos> I dont see why its there on a  desktop
[05:59] <Kiranos> [11:30:06] <Kiranos> power is set as "Don't suspend"
[05:59] <Kiranos> anyone know of this?
[06:02] <AAA_awright> Kiranos: My laptop is doing bizarre things with power too
[06:02] <susundberg> If you have checked powermanagement settings at least i do not have any clue
[06:02] <AAA_awright> Randomly suspending while I'm using it
[06:02] <AAA_awright> I haven't played with it too much since disabling power management but I'll see what effect that had
[06:04] <AAA_awright> And it doesn't actually suspend, it freezes
[06:05] <AAA_awright> Completely dead, Alt+Ctrl+Fx does nothing, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does nothing
[06:05] <jbicha> Kiranos: are you using the latest version of gnome-settings-daemon?
[06:05] <Kiranos> I have to use powerbutton and it comes down
[06:05] <Kiranos> jbicha: I have latest packages in the repo nothing custom
[06:06] <Kiranos> as long as more people have such issues I'm happy, just as long as its not a feautre :)
[06:08] <jbicha> !info gnome-settings-daemon oneiric
[06:08] <jbicha> Kiranos: are you using that version ^
[06:10] <Kiranos> apt-cache show gnome-settings-daemon|grep Version
[06:10] <Kiranos> Version: 3.2.0-0ubuntu4
[06:10] <Ian_Corne> you can also use policy Kiranos  :p
[06:10] <Ian_Corne> apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon
[06:12] <Kiranos> ah ok
[06:12] <Kiranos> gnome-settings-daemon:
[06:12] <Kiranos>   Installerad: 3.2.0-0ubuntu4
[06:12] <Kiranos>   Kandidat:    3.2.0-0ubuntu4
[06:12] <Kiranos> * swedish
[06:12] <Kiranos> but I think its understandable
[06:12] <jbicha> Kiranos: pastebin the output of gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power
[06:13] <Kiranos> http://pastebin.com/wUKLEUYw
[06:15] <jbicha> Kiranos: ok, those look like the defaults, and you're still having problems with autosuspend after you updated?
[06:18] <Kiranos> jbicha: yes I had it yesterday
[06:18] <Kiranos> I dont know if this package updated since then? I just rebooted my computer
[06:18] <Kiranos> after tonights updates
[06:19] <Kiranos> When I came to work about 30mins ago it was in hybernate
[06:20] <Kiranos> or autosuspend might be the correct word
[06:21] <jbicha> Kiranos: you can look for the exact time of update in /var/log/apt/history.log
[06:21] <jbicha> -0ubuntu4 fixed a lot of the problems, we're trying to see what issues remain after that update
[06:22] <Kiranos> Start-Date: 2011-10-04  07:59:02
[06:22] <Kiranos> gnome-settings-daemon:i386 (3.2.0-0ubuntu3, 3.2.0-0ubuntu4),
[06:22] <Kiranos> this might have fixed it
[06:22] <Kiranos> jbicha: I'll come back here if it still exist but it probably fixed then today
[06:22] <Kiranos> thanks for the help!
[06:23] <Kiranos> date
[06:23] <Kiranos> tis  4 okt 2011 08.23.08 CEST
[06:24] <jbicha> oh good :)
[06:50] <DoverOs> does anyone know how to install the sound menu?
[06:53] <DoverOs> or is anyone even here?
[06:56] <DoverOs> idle idle idle
[06:56] <DoverOs> keep them doggies idle
[06:56] <DoverOs> rawhide
[06:57] <Ian_Corne> :)
[06:59] <DoverOs> person
[07:47] <SMJ> I have LC_ALL="fi_FI.UTF-8" as the last line in my .bashrc and when I try 'locale' it still says LC_ALL is undefined
[07:49] <SMJ> in what configuration file should I put my LC_ALL?
[07:50] <SMJ> I'm really getting fed up with Ubuntu
[07:53] <SMJ> I don't have time for this
[08:11] <oal> What time zone is the daily builds uploaded in? Latest builds are 03-Oct-2011 08:xx
[08:16] <benoliver999> How do I create a custom launcher now?
[08:17] <benoliver999> I want to get celtx in the unity bar, but it seems to only run through terminal.
[08:18] <benoliver999> I just need a launcher that runs a command when I click it.
[08:21] <jbicha> oal: unless specified otherwise, I'd assume the servers are UTC
[08:22] <oal> The 64bit isos are up now, jbicha :)
[08:34] <daavis> hey, is it possible to remove panel on the left?
[08:34] <daavis> just panel.. nothing else
[08:58] <daavis> hey, is it possible to remove panel on the left?
[08:58] <daavis> just panel.. nothing else
[09:11] <Adys> What broke usb?
[09:12] <Adys> udev seems to be completely broken or something
[09:13] <Adys> pulseaudio cant see any of my usb devices, i cant mount my external hard drives, it takes ages to boot and i get some /lib/udev/mtp-probe spam
[09:14] <Adys> in fact
[09:14] <Adys> http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-627410-initscript-assumes-lib-udev-mtp-probe-there-when-its-not-help-203412872.html
[09:14] <Adys> brb
[09:20] <Adys> mtp-runtime seems to fix it all... this should be a dep really
[09:55] <bhavesh_> I installed GDM, GNOME 3 shell yesterday When I booted today morning, my GRUB 4 seconds counter wasent ticking, default option was recovery mode and when I selected 11.10 BETA 2 from list it just showed black screen
[09:56] <bhavesh_> which remains forever...
[09:56] <bhavesh_> I also updated my Ubuntu yesterday which included an GRUB update
[09:56] <bhavesh_> so there
[09:56] <bhavesh_> there;s a problem in GRUB, how am I supposed to fix it if I cannot boot into Ubuntu?
[10:41] <dust__> hi
[10:42] <dust__> anyone here can help me with an issue i got on kubuntu beta2 using kleopatra (gnupg)?
[10:42] <dust__> is there another channel for kubuntu beta2?
[10:45] <dust__> any hints appreciated :)  - maybe i'm in the wrong channel and just don't know
[11:10] <rajmahendra> Anyone help me how to install GNOME3 on Ubuntu 11.10 ?
[11:13] <rajmahendra> Is it possible to install  GNOME3 on Ubuntu 11.10 ?
[11:17] <bazhang> rajmahendra, gnome-shell ?
[11:18] <bazhang> !info gnome-shell
[11:19] <KM0201> so gnome 3 will not be fully implemented in 11.10/
[11:20] <bazhang> KM0201, which part are you referring to as being not fully implemented
[11:20] <KM0201> bazhang: ie, stable (id hardly consider gnome-shell stable)
[11:21] <bazhang> more of a gnome issue is it not?
[11:21] <KM0201> bazhang: probably, but iv'e used gnome 3 under Fedora, and while i think it sucks, it's stable
[11:22] <bazhang> then stick with something pre 11.10
[11:22] <KM0201> well, i just switched to lxde
[11:22] <KM0201> all is good int he world
[11:22] <bazhang> :)
[11:22] <KM0201> thank heavens for choice
[11:40] <alexd285> hello, how I can clean "aptitude -f install", it recons to install unwanted packages that I have removed like mysql php and apache
[11:50] <rajmahendra> i want to install GNOME 3
[11:50] <bazhang> rajmahendra, gnome-shell ?
[11:51] <rajmahendra> yes
[11:51] <Pici> !notunity
[11:53] <rajmahendra> Pici, this is same one available on fedora right ?
[12:02] <samjam> Since upgrading to 11.10, but ubuntu box goes to sleep after about half an hour, even if it has active ssh logins and active NFS mounts.
[12:02] <samjam> This leads to disabling the eth port, and in turn causes kernel deadlocks when flush over nfs fails
[12:03] <samjam> Sleeping with files open over nfs is a bad idea anyway, especially if locks are held
[12:04] <samjam> any tips to stop it doing this? Also I noticed that the screen blanks every 15 minutes or so even though screen-saver is disabled
[12:04] <zmbmartin> I have an HP Envy 17 and the clickpad does not work very well. I have tried a few things I have read for older ubuntu versions to no success. I also read that it should be fully supported out of the box in 11.04 and 11.10?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:23] <dsathe> where does empathy get its proxies from
[13:23] <dsathe> ?
[13:23] <dsathe> ever since i moved to 3.2 it does not seem to recogonise proxies
[13:24] <Pici> What do you mean by 'proxies'?
[13:25] <dsathe> http proxy, https proxy
[13:25] <dsathe> etc
[13:26] <Pici> Ah.
[13:26] <Pici> Sorry, misunderstood what you were asking.
[13:26] <dsathe> :)
[13:35] <sharpshooter> hai friends !! I upgraded my ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 . after upgrading the os I found that the sound preview in nautilus is not working . I googled it and I got that I need a package called sushi . and I also got the installation cammands from webupd8 but it says that unable to lacate package sushi .. so what I want to do for getting the previewer back to my os .
[13:35] <dsathe> sudo apt-get update
[13:35] <dsathe> did you run that one
[13:36] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  ya I did that  but no luck
[13:36] <Pretto> how can i log a nautilus core dump? apport didnt detect that nautilus crash
[13:37] <Pretto> I got a core dump everytime I double click on any folder
[13:37] <iceroot> Pretto: ubuntu-bug nautilus    if you want to create a bug against it in launchpad
[13:38] <zmbmartin> How do I get my HP synaptics touchpad "clickpad" working? I tried setting plugins false in dconf and using my own synaptics.conf settings that work in Archlinux but still no luck.
[13:38] <zmbmartin> I tried gpointing-device-settings
[13:38] <Pretto> iceroot: i did that once and they asked me for a trace file
[13:38] <zmbmartin> And I have tried some things that came up with google.
[13:45] <iceroot> Pretto: "strace nautilus" and then do the task which is killing nautilus
[13:45] <iceroot> Pretto: i guess you have to install strace first
[13:55] <sharpshooter> Anyone know how to get a nautilus previewer in ubuntu 11.10 when I upgraded to 11.10 my nautilus previewer is not working !
[14:05] <xgt001> sharpshooter, try searching for a ppa... but ppa for a beta isnt advisable
[14:06] <xgt001> Persona24, so whats the state of your issue now?
[14:07] <Persona24> xgt001, Flash is working but that was a weird glitch.  Like I don't even understand how that could happen
[14:07] <sharpshooter> xgt001, I tried the webupd8  but I got the error the unable to lacate package sushi
[14:08] <xgt001> sharpshooter, the repositories may not contain all packages yet...
[14:08] <dsathe> sushi ought to be in core oneric repos
[14:08] <xgt001> xgt001, try chrome which has an older version of flash
[14:08] <dsathe> its a gnome - extar thing
[14:08] <dsathe> not a freebee
[14:09] <xgt001> dsathe, is the package name exactly sushi>
[14:09] <Persona24> xgt001, it's working fine now, I'm just confused.  How could the sound card effect the speed of my flash player?
[14:10] <sharpshooter> xgt001,  so any other previewer for ubunt
[14:10] <dsathe> packages.ubuntu.com/sushi
[14:10] <xgt001> Persona24, well it depends on the output channel too i guess ...i am not too sure
[14:10] <sharpshooter> dsathe, is working in ubuntu 11.10
[14:10] <Pretto> iceroot: thank you,I did the bug report
[14:11] <Persona24> xgt001, is me running Ubuntu along side Windows effect anything at all?
[14:11] <dsathe> no clue
[14:12] <xgt001> Persona24, nope.. it shouldnt cause any side-effects at all
[14:13] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  in repositories the sushi package is a D-bus based IRC suite not a previewer
[14:14] <dsathe> O.o
[14:14] <dsathe> funny
[14:14] <Persona24> xgt001, alright. . . Well this is just weird than lol
[14:14] <sharpshooter> oh !! man
[14:15] <Persona24> xgt001, it's working fine though.  I've watched three youtube videos
[14:16] <iceroot> what program is controling the fan-speed? is it lm-sensors? my fan doesnt spin after some minutes, the netbook is getting hot and i want to create a bug but dont know against what package
[14:16] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  what nautilus previewer are you using
[14:16] <sharpshooter> ?
[14:17] <xgt001> sharpshooter, what exactly did u mean by a previewer btw?
[14:19] <xgt001> iceroot, is this problem specific to 11.10 or did u experience the same before in natty
[14:20] <iceroot> xgt001: only in 11.10 (2 days is guess. before i didnt saw the issue in 11.10
[14:20] <sharpshooter> xgt001,  I mean the nautilus sushi I dot it form this vedio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hUGLilYO-s
[14:22] <xgt001> may be a bug with 3.0x kernel... apparently phoronix has seen some "regressions" from kernel 2.6.38 to 3.0x series... phoronix is not so dependable though
[14:23] <iceroot> xgt001: i think so, also i am getting kernel-panics when pluggin of the ac-adapter
[14:23] <dsathe> sharpshooter: i use sushi
[14:23] <xgt001> sharpshooter, its not yet uploaded...webupd8 may have updated nautilus-sushi in their ppa....
[14:23] <dsathe> i moved to arch a week back
[14:23] <xgt001> iceroot, thats really not expected... file a bug with linux package
[14:24] <iceroot> xgt001: first i check if "dist-upgrade" has something new for me
[14:24] <xgt001> xgt001, check uname -a and tell the output
[14:25] <sharpshooter> dsathe, where did u got that can I get the link
[14:25] <iceroot> xgt001: Linux eeebuntu 3.0.0-12-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 23 21:18:13 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[14:25] <dsathe> archlinux
[14:25] <dsathe> ??
[14:25] <sharpshooter> Hmm ok ...
[14:26] <dsathe> sharpshooter: are you relatively new to linux ?
[14:26] <sharpshooter> dsathe, yes !1
[14:26] <xgt001> iceroot, hmmm....... the issue might be fixed in the release.... still i think its better to file a bug report
[14:27] <dsathe> it would be a great learning exp to use arch at the same time i warn you you will pull your hair out if you are not the rtfm types
[14:27] <iceroot> xgt001: i will of course but as my first question said, what package is controlling the fan-speed so that i can file a bug against the correct package.
[14:27] <dsathe> its not as simple to setup , use as ubuntu, get a feel of thigs for a while
[14:27] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  I am using linux from last two weaks
[14:27] <dsathe> and you can explore then on
[14:28] <dsathe> give it some more tuime
[14:28] <dsathe> arch ships without gui , without sound and any desktop env
[14:28] <dsathe> so u need to know a few basics
[14:28] <dsathe> although it has the best wiki ever
[14:28] <sharpshooter> dsathe, thanks for your  advice
[14:29] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  so I need to install all those stuff after installing arch linux
[14:29] <sharpshooter> ?
[14:29] <xgt001> iceroot, its the "linux" package i mean the kernel
[14:29] <dsathe> you will not have a gui
[14:29] <xgt001> iceroot, lm-sensors doesnt control the fan speeds afaik
[14:29] <dsathe> ;)
[14:29] <dsathe> raw linux , a brilliant pacman, gnu toolchain and kernel
[14:29] <dsathe> build ur os to your taste
[14:30] <dsathe> one step short of gentoo
[14:30] <sharpshooter> dsathe, it uses the command line interface
[14:30] <dsathe> IMHO you should get a bit more acustom to linux on ubuntu first
[14:30] <dsathe> yep
[14:30] <dsathe> it ships with a cli
[14:31] <dsathe> you choose from a host of de for a gui
[14:31] <xgt001> anyone knows if catalyst 11.9 is available for 11.10?
[14:31] <dsathe> u have gnome in ubuntu
[14:31] <dsathe> ppl may choose kde , xfce,lxde,openbox,flubox,pure x
[14:31] <xgt001> dsathe, whats pure x?
[14:32] <sharpshooter> dsathe, ok .. so I need to grab all those tutorials for setting  up arch linux , right ?
[14:32] <dsathe> and a windo manager could be compiz,metacity , gnome2(mate), kwin, or xmonad or watever
[14:32] <dsathe> xgt001: i meant no de at all
[14:32] <dsathe> jsut xserver installed
[14:32] <dsathe> with stock window management
[14:33] <xgt001> dsathe, arch cant be setup if i am online using mobile gprs rite?
[14:33] <dsathe> true
[14:33] <dsathe> i mean you could
[14:33] <dsathe> but wouldnt be smart
[14:33] <dsathe> slow and costly
[14:34] <sharpshooter> dsathe, so if I am using wifi  can I able to install all those xstuffs in arch
[14:34] <dsathe> yes
[14:34] <xgt001> dsathe, how about usb modem?
[14:34] <dsathe> but u will have to use commandline to connect
[14:34] <iceroot> xgt001: the kernel himself? not any acpid-things?
[14:34] <xgt001> afaik arch doesnt contain the drivers for usb modem too rite?
[14:34] <dsathe> xgt001: i have never used a usb modem in cli
[14:34] <dsathe> always did it over lan or wifi
[14:34] <dsathe> but i am sure u can
[14:35] <dsathe> though it will add additional compluications
[14:35] <dsathe> u will need usbmodeswitch data
[14:35] <dsathe> and some tools
[14:35] <dsathe> to setup the thing
[14:35] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  I'm going for downloading the arch linux
[14:35] <dsathe> so i doubt
[14:35] <dsathe> the beginner archwiki is brilliant
[14:36] <dsathe> sharpshooter: ubuntu is more comfortable
[14:36] <dsathe> installing apps i way easier
[14:36] <xgt001> iceroot, yes
[14:36] <dsathe> xgt001: arch contains them all
[14:36] <dsathe> its he same kernel :P
[14:37] <iceroot> xgt001: ok i will create it, if it is wrong i guess someone will correct it. thank you for the info
[14:37] <dsathe> all drivers are kernel space
[14:37] <SMJ> is anyone else close to defenestrating their monitor when dealing with the new desktops?
[14:37] <dsathe> and any external ones can be jollywell compiled
[14:37] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  I felt that too .. now i am thinking that arch from arch I can gain more knowledge
[14:38] <bjsnider> sharpshooter, the old sound previewer has been deprecated in favour of sushi. i am packaging sushi right now, but we haven't settled on a name yet, so i don't want to release it in a ppa
[14:38] <bjsnider> i asked the webupd8 guy to take down his post until the name issue was settled and he complied
[14:39] <sharpshooter> bjsnider, thanks for that information
[14:39] <bjsnider> the thing with sushi is, you have to be using gnome-shell. it will not work with unity because it needs clutter and unity uses compiz
[14:39] <dsathe> bjsnider: sushi is not officially named by gnome yet ?
[14:39] <xgt001> any idea about catalyst 11.9 and ubuntu 11.10
[14:39] <dsathe> true
[14:39] <bjsnider> the official gnome name is sushi
[14:40] <bjsnider> but we cannot use that in debian because ther's already a src:sushi
[14:40] <dsathe> oh the packaging name
[14:40] <dsathe> cool cool
[14:40] <bjsnider> and the upstream packaging for that thing also builds a sushi.deb
[14:40] <dsathe> so it will have the shell as a depend
[14:40] <bjsnider> no
[14:41] <bjsnider> forcing someone to install gnome-shell doesn't mean they are going to run it
[14:41] <dsathe> true
[14:41] <misse_> what is sushi?
[14:41] <sharpshooter> bjsnider,  I asked the same question in gnome channel they said that there is no package named sushi
[14:41] <bjsnider> what gnome channel?
[14:42] <sharpshooter> #gnome
[14:42] <bjsnider> gnome has their own irc server - irc.gnome.org
[14:42] <bjsnider> i don't know who's in the one you're looking at
[14:42] <bjsnider> i talked to the developer yesterday, and he is not going to change the name, so sushi is what it is called
[14:43] <sharpshooter> bjsnider, oh I think gone for a wrong channel
[14:43] <dsathe> sharpshooter: sushi exists
[14:43] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  sounds good
[14:44] <bjsnider> it works perfectly as long as you're running gnome-shell
[14:44] <bjsnider> this raises the possibility that canonical will have to develop a competing product as unity doesn't use mutter
[14:44] <dsathe> yeah bjsnider i did notice that
[14:45] <sharpshooter> bjsnider,  I have another user account using Gnome 3
[14:45] <dsathe> bjsnider: elementary had one , it should not be too hard to get that one going again
[14:45] <bjsnider> of course they could switch back to mutter, since they used it at one point
[14:46] <sharpshooter> bjsnider, if I am using the gnome 3 in ubuntu 11.10 am I able to use sushi in that
[14:46] <dsathe> bjsnider: i think its waaaay beyond that point
[14:47] <dsathe> allll the effort to port it to compiz
[14:47] <dsathe> now all the lense api
[14:47] <bjsnider> sharpshooter, which shell?
[14:48] <sharpshooter> bjsnider,  which shell ??? I dont know about that !! :(
[14:48] <bjsnider> gnome-shell, yes. unity, no
[14:48] <sharpshooter> unity
[14:49] <sharpshooter> bjsnider,  I sounds that if I install gnome-shell in ubuntu 11.10 I can run sushi is it ?
[14:50] <bjsnider> right
[14:50] <sharpshooter> bjsnider, any suggestions for gnome-shell in ubuntu 11.10
[14:51] <dsathe> O.o
[14:51] <dsathe> none
[14:51] <dsathe> install it
[14:51] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  after intalling what about the unity
[14:52] <dsathe> u can choose at login
[14:52] <dsathe> ;)
[14:53] <bjsnider> you won't be able to use sushi until it's packaged though
[14:53] <sharpshooter> bjsnider, ok
[14:53] <dsathe> u could compile it :D
[14:53] <bjsnider> doesn't sound like it, to me
[14:54] <bjsnider> that's a bit more of an advanced user type thing
[14:54] <dsathe> hmm kk
[14:54] <dsathe> bjsnider: get something like pkgbuild to ubuntu :)
[14:54] <dsathe> sharpshooter: when stuck pull a pkgbuild and looka t what he does
[14:54] <dsathe> always works
[14:55] <dsathe> ofcrse somee dist difference occour
[14:55] <sharpshooter> dsathe,  Hmm I will give it a try
[14:58] <sharpshooter> dsathe, before it I have to gain more ..
[15:01] <IdleOne> Please, I am begging, someone help me to get rid of these overlay scrollbars.
[15:01] <IdleOne> been 4 days now I am trying
[15:01] <alex-> How to switch back to Gnome in 11.10?
[15:02] <IdleOne> !notunity | alex-
[15:03] <alex-> What is Gnome shell?
[15:04] <SMJ> is the GNOME Fallback called GNOME Fallback or GNOME Classic?
[15:04] <SMJ> because I really hate this GNOME Classic
[15:04] <xgt001> IdleOne, sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar
[15:04] <xgt001> i think should work
[15:04] <IdleOne> xgt001: done that and it has no effect
[15:05] <IdleOne> I also removed liboverlay and still nothing
[15:05] <xgt001> did u remove the libraries too?
[15:05] <IdleOne> liboverlay would be the library no?
[15:06] <xgt001> yes...
[15:06] <SMJ> did you relog after removing it?
[15:07] <SMJ> oh
[15:07] <SMJ> 4 days.
[15:07] <IdleOne> I did, few times
[15:08] <IdleOne> I still have a ton of ubuntu-desktop/unity installed. I just want my Kubuntu desktop back without having to do a clean install. I will if I must but I really would rather not reinstall.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[15:19] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, ^
[15:20] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: that is outdated and does not seem to work properly for 11.10
[15:20] <IdleOne> it doesn't catch all the packages
[15:20] <IdleOne> afaik
[15:21] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, yeah , I guess it's too much to ask for in a beta release :P
[15:21] <Stanley00> I just noticed that the dash board wont be focused on mouse scroll, and if you have a long list of apps, you scroll down, and then click on the app you want, you will run the other app =))
[15:22] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: i'm not complaining about the factoid just saying it is not up to date
[15:23] <szal> hi peeps
[15:23] <szal> can we expect flashplugin64-installer to become an official package in Oneiric now that Flash 11 is out?
[15:26] <rww> oneiric has Flash 10, doesn't it?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, didn't realize how out of date that site is ...wonder why it isn't updated regularly to keep with the current release , at least ...seems negligent
[15:28] <rww> ah, yeah, Flash 11 just came out. It ain't going in oneiric then :P
[15:28] <alex-> :(
[15:28] <rww> 1) oneiric hasn't been released, 2) it's a wiki, do it yourself
[15:29] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: it's a wiki^
[15:29] <IdleOne> I did a big cleanup on !puregnome a while back.
[15:29] <alex-> Where can I see information about 12.04
[15:29] <rww> and if you don't, then take your emotion and multiply it by n people and you know why it's not fixed.
[15:29] <IdleOne> alex-: the future
[15:29] <rww> alex-: nowhere, it hasn't been planned out yet
[15:29] <rww> !uds
[15:29] <rww> ask after that ^
[15:30] <IdleOne> Halloween at Disney is awesome btw
[15:30] <IdleOne> Mickey dresses up as a human and hands out candy as do the rest of the gang
[15:49] <alex-> IdleOne: gnome-panel has no installation canidate
[15:49] <IdleOne> you running 11.10/oneiric?
[15:50] <alex-> yes
[15:54] <IdleOne> when was the last time you ran sudo apt-get update ?
[15:54] <alex-> before i asked the question
[15:54] <IdleOne> beats me. maybe they are uploading an update for it
[15:55] <IdleOne> when I search for it it is in the available packages
[15:56] <IdleOne> OMG I ran the command in !purekde and now it is removing half of kde :(
[15:56] <alex-> I did sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:56] <alex-> now
[15:56] <alex-> to make sure i have all packets
[15:57] <alex-> Btw, software sources and some other menu's aren't merged with system settings menu
[15:58] <IdleOne> what the heck!!!!!!!! looks like a clean install is the only way to kill Unity.
[16:09] <alex-> Why do I need a launghpad account to submit bugs?
[16:10] <ErickMoreno> After a dist-upgrade that updates my kernel, I got a kernel panic every time i try to boot
[16:10] <IdleOne> So that they know who submitted it and who to email with updates to the bug
[16:10] <ErickMoreno> this is an image of the message http://minus.com/mCL3VVdQV
[16:10] <alex-> Why dont they just make a update for it
[16:10] <alex-> Fix it in the next version
[16:10] <ErickMoreno> someone has any clue?
[16:13] <alex-> ErickMoreno: if nobody answers, nobody has any clue
[16:13] <alex-> Please hold in your mind 11.10 is still beta ErickMoreno
[16:13] <ErickMoreno> thanks for the tip alex-, you're very helpfull
[16:13] <IdleOne> L)
[16:14] <alex-> I dont recommend updrading either
[16:15] <ErickMoreno> we are on the +1 channel, averybody here has a reason to upgrade alex-, that why we are here
[16:15] <ErickMoreno> thanks for the advise
[16:39] <os__> hi
[16:39] <alex-> hi
[16:40] <os__> Performance of the microphone is bad in ubuntu 11.10
[16:41] <os__> At least in the Skype
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> performance?
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> or quality?
[16:41] <os__> sorry quality
[16:59]  * yofel wonders why update-icon-cache isn't a dpkg trigger...
[17:24] <obviousTroll> Hi all. Strange bug I am having.  apt/aptitude seems to download the i386 and amd64 sources, causing duplicates in their indexes.  Anyone encounter this before?
[17:24] <obviousTroll> Running 64-bit OO
[17:25] <jtaylor> both is normal
[17:25] <jtaylor> it should not cause problems
[17:25] <jtaylor> this is due to multiarch being enabled by default
[17:25] <obviousTroll> Ah, I see. Thanks jtaylor.
[17:26] <jtaylor> you can now install some i386 packages with apt-get install pacakge-name:i386
[17:26] <obviousTroll> Sweet!
[17:32] <alex-> 1i IRC
[17:32] <alex-> :D
[17:32] <alex-> 1iric
[17:39] <ksull72487> Just curious how the beta was doing as its due for full release in about a week? Glitches?
[17:41] <dweez> I have minor app crashes but all in all it seems to work fine
[17:42] <dweez> after upgrading to 11.10 and then installing Gnome 3 I wasn't able to use my xampp install but I just installed tasksel and used it to install lamp-server and all is good
[17:44] <ksull72487> thats what i thought so functional at least now may play with it while i have time
[18:22] <hypetech> Anybody have an issue where ocelot immediately starts to go into idle, fade to black, and lock the screen as soon as I stop touching stuff?  I've disabled screen lock altogether and still getting it
[18:22] <ali1234> yes
[18:22] <ali1234> it is a known bug
[18:22] <hypetech> Is there a fix yet?
[18:22] <ali1234> no
[18:22] <hypetech> alright
[18:22] <hypetech> ty
[18:23] <ali1234> the bug has been around since natty too
[18:24] <hypetech> is it due to some specific hardware?
[18:24] <ali1234> no
[18:24] <hypetech> I've never noticed it on natty
[18:24] <milaz> hi!
[18:24] <hypetech> milaz: hi!
[18:24] <milaz> does anybody know how to change a screensaver in upcoming version of ubuntu?
[18:25] <alex-> ehm
[18:25] <alex-> I can't set my display brightness, only 0 or 10
[18:25] <alex-> Not something like 4 or 6 or 5..
[18:26] <milaz> I noticed gnome-screensaver-preferences is missing from Oneric
[18:26] <milaz> Is this a bug, or a feature?
[18:26] <ali1234> i can't find the bug for screensaver so i;m going to report it
[18:27] <milaz> ali1234: ok, thanks
[18:28] <milaz> my friend bought a large monitor and wants to see a fireplace on it :)
[18:28] <ali1234> not the configuration
[18:28] <ali1234> just install xscreensaver if you want that
[18:28] <milaz> ali1234: will it conflict with gnome-screensaver?
[18:28] <ali1234> probably
[18:29] <milaz> ali1234: ok, i'll try, thanks
[18:30] <alex-> anyone who can report my bug?
[18:31] <ali1234> of course now i reported it i found it
[18:32] <ali1234> bug 863038
[18:55] <alex-> I can't set my display brightness, only 0 or 10
[19:06] <iceroot> ali1234: thx for the link, i am also affected and added me to that bug
[19:07] <ali1234> yeah best i can tell it affects everyone who tries to disable screensaver
[19:07] <ali1234> otoh if you really want to disable it you could just remove gnome-screensaver package :)
[19:11] <iceroot> never tried
[19:16] <jbicha> yesterday's gnome-settings-daemon update should have fixed the screen-lock problem
[19:16] <jbicha> !info gnome-settings-daemon oneiric
[19:18] <zmbmartin> Is anyone having problems with laptop-mode-tools. I get a undefined kernel error which there is a bug report for. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[19:22] <zacktu> i don't like the changed performance of the dash -- in 11.04 i can type a few characters and get a list of whatever apps have names the start w/ those characters -- an example is to type "libre" and see all of the libreoffice apps
[19:23] <zacktu> then i can tab thru that list and see the one i want an press return -- there it is -- tabbing doesn't work in 11.10 -- could this be a feature that someone didn't like?
[19:23] <jbicha> zacktu: tabs switch between lenses now
[19:23] <jbicha> try arrow keys
[19:24] <zacktu> jbicha: what's a lens?
[19:25] <jbicha> zacktu: those little icons at the bottom of the dash allow you to just look at Applications or just look at Music, etc.
[19:26] <zacktu> jbicha: ok -- with regard to using the keyboard, if i've gone to keyboard mode, i want to use it until the app has been selected -- arrows are not as natural as tabs (many websites let you tab through selectable fields), but i'll just hafta make it work
[19:30] <jbicha> zacktu: well it's also important that the lenses can be switched with the keyboard and arrow keys are far more flexible than a tab so I think the design is ok
[19:31] <jbicha> there's only 1 selectable field anyway
[19:36] <zacktu> jibcha: i'll hafta learn to live w/ the change -- the old way was a touch typists's dream --- 2 hands;  left hand*;  right hand --  just like the way you can do so much with vi without leaving the home keys on the keyboard
[19:38] <zacktu> jibcha: (except for the escape key )  -- anyway thanx much -- and if you're a developer many thanx
[20:22] <jeffrash> new issue, most of my folders under home in Nautilus don't work
[20:22] <jeffrash> Nautilus just closes when I try and open documents, pictures, etc.
[20:23] <jbicha> !info ubuntuone-client-gnome oneiric
[20:23] <jbicha> ooh that's out of date
[20:23] <jbicha> jeffrash: that should be fixed in 2.0.1-0ubuntu1
[20:24] <jeffrash> when?
[20:24] <jbicha> it should show up in your updates within a few hours
[20:24] <Ian_Corne> same jeffrash
[20:25] <Ian_Corne> aha nice jbicha
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> google repo's are sooo slow...
[20:26] <jeffrash> oh, ok
[20:26] <jeffrash> thanks
[20:27] <jeffrash> 11.10 is looking great, love it
[20:27] <Ian_Corne> 99% [25 Packages bzip2 0 B] [Waiting for headers]                    103 B/s 0sbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[20:27] <Ian_Corne> lol what?
[20:28] <Ian_Corne> silly apt-get update
[20:43] <ironhalik> ok, heres a trick qestion
[20:43] <ironhalik> will I survive a 11.04 -> 11.10 update? :>
[20:43] <ironhalik> upgrade*
[20:45] <charlie-tca> subjective question, ironhalik . It depends on how good the 11.04 install is, doesn't it?
[20:45] <ironhalik> thats why the ":>" ;>
[20:45] <ironhalik> the natty is almost stock
[20:46] <dweez> my Natty survived the upgrade
[20:46] <ironhalik> hmm
[20:46] <ironhalik> its tempting
[20:47] <charlie-tca> It *should* work. I would have important data backed up, of course.
[20:47] <dweez> only thing that didn't survive was xampp
[20:47] <dweez> cuz some lib files got updated and was no longer 32bit compatible (xampp wants 32bit lib files)
[20:47] <dweez> yeah, always backup data first
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> My natty survived to update to pre alpha 1, it doesn't mean anything :p
[20:48] <ironhalik> yeah, ofcourse :>
[20:48] <nhaines> charlie-tca: to my utter suprise, my desktop computer upgraded seamlessly.
[20:48] <ironhalik> from previous expiriences I would say its quite random
[20:48] <ironhalik> I ask hoping that something changed
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I almost always upgrade mine around alpha1, so that is no good to judge from
[20:51] <ironhalik> ah what the hell
[22:20] <myk_robinson> evening, all..
[22:20] <myk_robinson> Any word on a fix being committed for a bug causing nautilus to segfault all the time??
[22:22] <myk_robinson> cancel.. It appears that it is due to a bug in nautilus-open-terminal
[22:23] <myk_robinson> bug#865194
[22:23] <myk_robinson> hopefully that'll get resolved soon.
[22:44] <nbf> is 11.10 fairly stable?
[22:44] <AAA_awright> Not at all
[22:45] <nbf> I mean for use as a desktop if you're very familiar with linux
[22:45] <nbf> not officially "publicly stable"
[22:45] <genii-around> Depends what your definition of "stable" is, I suppose...
[22:45] <nbf> ok
[22:45] <AAA_awright> ... Though neither was 14, that outright didn't work for me when I updated my system a few weeks ago so maybe it's just me
[22:46] <AAA_awright> s/weeks/days/
[22:47] <AAA_awright> http://askubuntu.com/questions/64220/how-can-i-install-the-older-gnome-control-center-in-11-10 Is that the new control center or the old one? The menu looks new to me but I don't even have a third of those items
[22:51] <nhaines> AAA_awright: that's the old one.
[22:52] <AAA_awright> Also, org.gnome.desktop.interface.text-scaling-factor in dconf-editor is the solution to my older problem
[22:59] <ironhalik> Well, upgrade went well :>
[23:00] <nhaines> yay! \o/
[23:00] <ironhalik> \o/
[23:02] <tensorpudding> how do i make notify-osd not start up on boot?
[23:03] <FernandoMiguel> what's the best way to trace down a random crash?
[23:03] <FernandoMiguel> I've tried gdb, strace, ltrace, valgrind
[23:03] <FernandoMiguel> full debug logs
[23:03] <FernandoMiguel> and all I get is an OOPS
[23:04] <AAA_awright> at least gdb should break if there's a crarsh
[23:04] <jbicha> tensorpudding: why don't you want notify-osd?
[23:04] <FernandoMiguel> AAA_awright: I wish
[23:04] <tensorpudding> i think it's interfering with gnome 3's notifications
[23:05] <jbicha> tensorpudding: what desktop are you using?
[23:05] <tensorpudding> i'm using gnome-shell
[23:05] <tensorpudding> sorry
[23:05] <tensorpudding> i meant gnome-shell
[23:05] <jbicha> tensorpudding: what makes you think notify-osd is running?
[23:05] <tensorpudding> it appears in my process list, that's what
[23:06] <tensorpudding> it doesn't always run though
[23:06] <FernandoMiguel> (00:05:30) util: parsed 465
[23:06] <FernandoMiguel> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
[23:06] <FernandoMiguel> dns[22698]: Oops, father has gone, wait for me, wait...!
[23:06] <jbicha> tensorpudding: could you take a screenshot of the broken notifications then?
[23:06] <tensorpudding> it's not really broken
[23:07] <tensorpudding> the thing is
[23:07] <tensorpudding> i'm trying to write a program that uses shell notifications
[23:08] <tensorpudding> but when i look at the capabilities, it shows the ones for notify-osd
[23:08] <tensorpudding> which doesn't include support for persistant notifications
[23:08] <tensorpudding> i can't figure out how to tell it to ignore the notify-osd ones
[23:08] <tensorpudding> i don't know why notify-osd runs at all
[23:08] <tensorpudding> it means that two different notifications can show up
[23:09] <tensorpudding> one in the upper left, and one at the bottom
[23:09] <andyvy> try to use Enter less.
[23:12] <jbicha> tensorpudding: I don't know much about notifications but you do want notifications to work in Unity & not just GNOME Shell though...
[23:13] <tensorpudding> no, i'm not using unity
[23:14] <jbicha> tensorpudding: I meant if you plan to distribute your app more widely, you can also try asking in the GNOME channels for developer help
[23:14] <jbicha> as this channel is for Oneiric help & discussion
[23:14] <tensorpudding> i did move my question on gimpnet
[23:14] <tensorpudding> this is an oneiric problem too
[23:15] <tensorpudding> the point is, that notify-osd conflicts with gnome-shell
[23:15] <tensorpudding> as far as i can tell
[23:16] <tensorpudding> aha
[23:16] <tensorpudding> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/830467
[23:19] <zorael> Is aptitude less aggressive now in oneiric? or does it have issues confusing i386 and x86_64 packages both installed in a 64-bit installation?
[23:19] <zorael> Example at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702484/
[23:20] <zorael> Obviously I want it to cascade and remove all those packages that multiarch-support pulled to begin with
[23:23] <jbicha> zorael: you're doing it wrong, don't remove multiarch-support, just remove the :i386 packages
[23:24] <tensorpudding> i don't know
[23:24] <tensorpudding> i can't be the only person who is having these notify-osd issues with gnome-shell
[23:25] <zorael> jbicha: sure, just takes a whole lot of copying and pasting >.< that's ~184 packages. or is there an easy way to target all i386 packages?
[23:26] <micahg> zorael: aptitiude can't handle conflicts with multiarch, use apt-get
[23:27] <micahg> zorael: and please don't remove multiarch-support
[23:28] <zorael> micahg: all right. my original problem is that some of those packages are no longer installed, and simply reinstalling multiarch-support doesn't pull them again. so uninstalling/reinstalling was the solution that sprung to mind
[23:29] <micahg> zorael: apt should just pull in what it needs, why do you manually need to install anything?
[23:30] <micahg> zorael: also, multiarch-support won't pull in anything (the package that is), if something you install needs i386 libs, they'll get installed as necessary
[23:32] <tensorpudding> removing notify-osd by hand made everything work properly again
[23:32] <zorael> micahg: this machine was upgraded from natty and has skype from natty/partner, which only depends on ia32-libs to hope to get e.g. libqt4-gui:i386
[23:33] <micahg> zorael: right, so the upgrade to oneiric should switch it to skype:i386 and pull in the libs it needs
[23:33] <micahg> zorael: and there was a package added to ia32-libs recently which pulls in some of the multiarch libs that used to be in ia32-libs
[23:35] <zorael> micahg: nothing transitioned my natty skype:x86_64 to oneiric skype:i386 automatically, at least. I just figured it never made oneiric/partner
[23:35] <zorael> I'll fix that manually
[23:36] <micahg> ugh, ISTR a bug about that actually...
[23:41] <micahg> zorael: a dist-upgrade won't migrate you to the i386 version?
[23:45] <zorael> micahg: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702499/
[23:48] <zorael> micahg: also http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702503/
[23:50] <micahg> zorael: hmm, I"ll have to check, I think the first is a bug, as for the second, is your package cache up to date
[23:54] <zorael> micahg: as in, repo package listings? yes. I have a big packaging bungle here where neither apt-get can't resolve dependencies and aptitude (that I normally use) just wants to keep stuff at Not Installed
[23:55] <zorael> -neither
[23:58] <alhubaishi> something weird
[23:58] <alhubaishi> my laptop mouse stops responding all of a sudden
[23:58] <zorael> hmm, libc6:i386 is a version behind libc6:amd64, even after apt-get update from se.archive.ubuntu.com
[23:58] <alhubaishi> i have to go to standby then come back
[23:59] <alhubaishi> ok now its working
[23:59] <alhubaishi> i didnt go standby :D
[23:59] <alhubaishi> im using macbook pro 4,1 generation