[00:02] Roasted, havent tried it,, no printer working here,, but wouldn't surprise me [00:05] Roasted, works for me but you might have to install drivers if there is no pdd for your printer [00:35] chrome now has "Enable syncing sessions" [00:35] Enable sessions in the sync options. This allows syncing your sessions to other clients. [00:36] FernandoMiguel, yes it works great between laptop and desktop [00:36] have to try it :D [00:39] FernandoMiguel, which version are you using? [00:44] bjsnider: 15.0.865.0 (Developer Build 98568 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10 [00:44] could you pastebin your .xsession-errors? [00:44] sur [00:45] let me check if it is safe [00:45] -rw------- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 595K 2011-10-04 01:45 .xsession-errors [00:45] ok, the last 50 lines or so [00:46] bjsnider: PM [00:50] fabien really needs to update chromium for oneiric, but i can't track him down [00:52] hi [00:53] im trying ubuntu 11.10... its unbelievable how many bugs there are still... [00:54] its very buggy [00:54] not halting the event to suspend (there is even no such option on the menu) [00:54] ive just installed the propietary ATI driver, and now the splash screen is like veryyyyy very low resolution [00:55] even the installation bar progress didnt run properly.... [00:55] plymouth and the prop. drivers often fight. :-( [00:57] some times, max close and min button dont come up [01:00] and also, sometimes, the wifi manager is not working (showing no networks) although it's connected to my network [01:00] genClone, iv'e got both suspend and hibernate have you run update manager yet? [01:00] robin0800: yes, it's totally updated [01:02] to be honest i've got those problem with suspend and hibernate since the 10.10.... but didnt care about [01:02] hope to be fixed in this version... [01:03] genClone, is this a clean install? [01:03] robin0800: yes, it is.... [01:03] all disk formated [01:28] Where do I go to set the screen DPI? [01:35] AAA_awright, not sure you can if you find out please let us know [01:36] I *used* to be able to under the last release [01:36] I can't find it anymore [01:36] And actually Ubuntu completely erased all my UI settings including DPI and desktop background [01:41] AAA_awright: what was your background? [01:41] It was a wallpaper out of ~/Pictures [01:41] Of my own [01:41] Specifically from Penny Arcade, set to Zoom [01:42] hmm, well a lot of setting migrated from gconf to gsettings, maybe that one didn't copy over [01:42] I had a few more added that I could switch between, those seemed to have disappeared [01:42] I can't point out any UI settings that copied over [01:43] Also, the power manager is running on startup again, which is a problem: Unplugging this laptop causes the system to freeze after showing a message that the power is "Critically low" [01:50] Hi, can someone running a clean 11.10 give me the output of dpkg --get-selections|grep indicator-* ? [01:50] More specifically, someone who did NOT upgrade to 11.10, but used a fresh install, and has never installed Evolution [01:50] AAA_awright: for power, install dconf-editor and navigate to org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power and try unchecking the active box [01:51] That appears to be in the dconf-tools package [01:52] yes [01:53] gnome-settings-daemon just crashed [01:53] But the setting seems to be changed [01:54] Is the battery supposed to show when I'm plugged in? [01:54] the icon, I mean [01:58] when i quit banshee, my song still plays [01:59] AAA_awright: yes the power icon always shows (if you have a battery) but not if you unchec that box [02:00] Where can I view a complete list of packages selected in a default 11.10 x86_64 desktop install? [02:00] but turning off power is usually a bad idea [02:01] maybe you need to just set critical-battery-action to nothing [02:03] Tohuw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/702014/ [02:03] AAA_awright: I probably don't have enough information to be giving you random tips [02:04] bjsnider: fantastic, thanks [02:04] Tohuw, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64.list [02:04] that's your second question [02:04] Even more thanks [02:05] * Tohuw heaps gratitude on bjsnider [02:05] just upgraded to oneiric and my other repositories have disabled on upgrade to oneiric how do i change this [02:05] sindile: open software centre and re-enable them, not all of them may not support oneiric [02:06] hmmm, bjsnider, that only seems to list the files in the image... I was hoping for an exhaustive list of package selections. :( Oh well, your first answer told me what I really needed to know. [02:06] that list is what's insalled in an ubuntu-desktop [02:07] i must have misunderstood your question [02:07] Understood, but it isn't the package selections. In other words, what I really want is the complete dump of dpkg --get-selections right after a fresh 11.10 desktop x64 install [02:08] wait, no it isn't [02:08] this is: [02:08] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64.manifest [02:08] the manifest [02:09] all of the cds and dvds have manifests i think [02:09] aha! perfect. Thanks, bjsnider [02:30] another bug, I get different active resolution depending if I look at it in System Settings - System Info and Top-Right corner and Display [04:11] how usable is 11.10 beta 2? [04:11] compiz still crashes for me [04:12] Nattgew: compiz was the reason i swapped to kde... it still exists? [04:12] yeah... was really good before upgrade [04:12] Nattgew: i never liked it. it wasn't integrated well. [04:13] Nattgew: or it didn't feel well-integrated [04:13] Nattgew: whereas kde's felt flawlessly integrated. [04:16] jschall: integrated how? [04:16] jschall: Unity 3D is a compiz plugin [04:17] jbicha: i couldn't use unity when i tried it in natty... it was awful, i ran into bugs or usability issues immediately... [04:17] Nattgew: i don't know. feels like the defaults are more sane, has a good configuration utility that's easy to access [04:18] Nattgew: whereas configuring compiz was a nightmare as i remember it [04:18] Nattgew: and it wasn't configured right by default [04:19] jbicha: i'm not really familiar with unity. i tried it when my mom got her new laptop before i switched it to kde for her [04:19] jbicha: system76 laptop [04:20] jschall: well one nice thing about Ubuntu is that there are lots of desktops you can use, Unity 11.10 is generally better than 11.04 but it's not for everyone [04:20] jbicha: i just was looking at gnome 3 [04:20] jbicha: screenshots and stuff [04:20] jbicha: and i want it so bad. [04:21] jbicha: but i hated unity. it was so horrible. [04:21] jschall: Gnome 3 is cool but it seemed worse to me than Unity [04:21] Nattgew: buggy? [04:21] jschall: if you're using (K)ubuntu 11.10, gnome-shell is an easy install away [04:21] Nattgew: or what? [04:21] gnome-shell seems less buggy than unity [04:22] but just a lot more complicated and annoying [04:22] i thought it looked good in the screenshots too [04:22] jschall: not buggy, it's just that while Unity is still sort of traditional desktop, Gnome 3 changed even more [04:22] Nattgew: i've wanted to move away from the "traditional desktop" for a while. [04:23] gnome-shell is still a traditional desktop [04:23] Nattgew: because i don't ever use the desktop. kde has all these widgets and crap to put on your desktop and i never use a single one, its just blank and i cover it up with a maximized browser window. [04:23] just with a much more complicated workspace manager [04:23] jschall: me too... it's hard to find an interface that works for me, though [04:24] and the windows-style taskbar is totally dated... [04:24] ali1234: yeah, that's what I meant... the desktop is pretty much the only constant [04:25] the taskbar is still the most efficient way of switching between windows if you have more than about 3 [04:25] unless you use one of those keyboard only WMs [04:26] i'd rather have something where i hit a button and it pops up a row or column of my windows, ordered by most recent use, with previews [04:26] and then i could just click on one [04:26] "ordered by most recent use" is a big problem for me [04:26] similar to alt-tab but modified a bit [04:26] i don't like having to hunt around for things [04:26] stuff should stay where i put it [04:27] not moved around all the time based on what the computer thinks i want [04:27] ali1234: ok, so maybe separate buttons? one for recents, one for alphabetical? [04:27] jschall: interesting idea... [04:27] or how about... just keep them in the order i opened them in [04:27] it's just like what android does, you hold the home button and it pops up your recently used apps [04:27] and then we could keep it on the screen all the time [04:28] and call it a task bar [04:28] ali1234: i love it! [04:28] ali1234: =P [04:29] my problem is, i end up with more windows open than the taskbar can reasonably handle. [04:29] i actually like the expose switching except for one thing [04:29] which is that the windows move around every time [04:29] for example, multiple terminals [04:29] and i can't tell which terminal to click [04:29] they should be arranged based on where they are on the screen, so that you can just remember which one is which, without having to look at the tiny previews [04:29] and the previews are too small to read the text in the terminal [04:29] (which btw, are broken in oneiric. sometimes you just get a white rectangle instead of the window) [04:30] and i can't even read the name of the window because i have so many windows open that there isn't any text, just icons. [04:30] yes [04:30] which brings the other issue [04:30] unity has to have a mode that isolates workspaces [04:30] clicking thelauncher should never take me to another workspace [04:30] and expose should only show windows on this workspace [04:30] ali1234: oh, that was one major, major thing that i hated about unity. it kept swapping me to different workspaces [04:31] yeah it's really annoying [04:31] you're doing something in one workspace [04:31] ali1234: and i didn't understand why it was doing it [04:31] then you go to another one to check your email [04:31] you have to follow something up so you try to open a terminal to check something [04:31] ali1234: and i didn't understand how to manually change workspaces [04:31] but instead of getting the terminal on this workspcae, or a new window, it instead takes you back to what you were doing before [04:31] ali1234: and i have no idea how the average user would figure those out if i couldn't. [04:32] then you have to switch back [04:32] and this time, middle click on the terminal icon [04:32] which doesn't even work for all apps [04:32] if you middle click gedit you get a new tab, not a new window [04:32] i like how windows has the shift click for new windows [04:32] i'm not sure how i'm supposed to view to source files side by side with the awesome window snapping feature, when it won't let me open two windows [04:33] so anyway, there's only 10 days till release, is 11.10 beta 2 good enough to start using? [04:33] jschall: I'd say so but others have had a hard time with it [04:33] guess i could just virtualize it... [04:33] jschall: so in reply all I can say is "maybe" [04:33] how can i remove unity on 11.10? [04:34] i'm going to play with it in a VM [04:34] jschall: use XFCE, KDE or some other DE [04:34] ActionParsnip: i want to try gnome3. [04:34] !notunity [04:34] ActionParsnip: just without unity... because i already know unity blows chunks. [04:34] jschall: then use gnome shell instead of unity [04:34] Ubuntu Oneiric uses GNOME 3 with the !Unity shell by default. To use GNOME Shell on Oneiric, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place a new entry in the Sessions dropdown on the login window. [04:34] jschall: works fine here [04:35] ActionParsnip: cool [04:35] just totally not familiar with gnome any more [04:35] yeah... neither gnome shell nor unity(3d) works particularly well in a VM because of the requirement on accelerated graphics [04:35] ali1234: use unity2d then... [04:35] ali1234: eh, i think virtualbox can handle it. [04:35] expect it to glitch out, corrupt the display, or just not load at all [04:35] Gnome shell wouldn't run on my netbook while Unity would... [04:35] virtualbox is what i use [04:35] ali1234: you can get basic 3d in vms [04:35] 3d works pretty well in virtualbox. [04:35] basic, extremely buggy 3d, yeah [04:36] it works about as well as nouveau [04:36] ali1234: yes but it does exist [04:36] nouveau rocks [04:36] it crashes within about 5 minutes whenever i try to use it [04:36] i hear vmware's 3d support rocks pretty hard. [04:36] to put it another way, it works about as well as either of the ati drivers [04:36] but vmware workstation expensive, right? [04:37] ali1234: works fine on my 6150LE onboard 512Mb [04:37] jschall: VMWare workstation is free as in beer [04:37] ActionParsnip: it is? [04:38] ahh workstation isnt free [04:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware [04:38] ActionParsnip: 30-day evaluation [04:38] player is free [04:38] player is free [04:38] ActionParsnip: $199.00 [04:39] i don't think player has the 3d support [04:39] they do have free products... vmware server? [04:39] nextag have VM workstation for 180 USD [04:40] server is free according to the link [04:41] will drivers for virtualbox 3d be installed by ubuntu automatically? [04:44] jschall: its part of a default install, you can install guest additions also [04:52] alright, it is installing in a VM! [04:52] ooooooooooor not! [04:53] the installer encountered an error transferring files to the hard disk [04:53] don't clikc "download updates" [04:53] didn't. [04:53] i dunno then [04:53] i was just about to comment that the new installer looked cool [04:54] and then it just did that. [04:54] i wish virtualbox didn't trap alttab [04:54] i'm sure there's a way to change that... [04:55] it seemed to happen immediately after i chose a timezone [04:55] that stuff runs in parallel [04:56] no, it's not related to timezone [04:56] it says errno 5: input/output error [04:58] just going to screw with virtualbox settings... [05:02] maybe my iso is corrupt... [05:16] jschall: did you md5 test the iso? [05:16] ActionParsnip: can't find an md5 for it. just redownloading from a different source [05:17] !hash [05:17] !hashes [05:17] See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes for the md5sums of Ubuntu discs. [05:18] ActionParsnip: no betas there [05:18] http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/MD5SUMS [05:18] ActionParsnip: i already redownloaded from another source. [05:18] jschall: still needs checking [05:18] i highly doubt it was a corrupt file anyway... [05:19] it needs testing so that you know the data you are using is error free and complete [05:20] ActionParsnip: one i just downloaded matches, one i downloaded before doesn't. [05:22] jschall: thats why you should ALWAYS check the download [05:22] ActionParsnip: and no error [05:40] well, 3d stuff isn't working... [05:40] glxgears runs, but at 500fps vs 8500 fps on host [05:41] whatever, i'll just install on this laptop i have sitting right here... [05:59] [11:29:26] Hi I'm running ubuntu 11.10 and my desktop goes into hybernate or something after 1h and the only thing returning it is one press on the powerbutton on the chassi [05:59] [11:29:33] I'm not using a laptop [05:59] [11:29:43] is there a way to turn this off? [05:59] [11:29:47] I dont see why its there on a desktop [05:59] [11:30:06] power is set as "Don't suspend" [05:59] anyone know of this? [06:02] Kiranos: My laptop is doing bizarre things with power too [06:02] If you have checked powermanagement settings at least i do not have any clue [06:02] Randomly suspending while I'm using it [06:02] I haven't played with it too much since disabling power management but I'll see what effect that had [06:04] And it doesn't actually suspend, it freezes [06:05] Completely dead, Alt+Ctrl+Fx does nothing, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does nothing [06:05] Kiranos: are you using the latest version of gnome-settings-daemon? [06:05] I have to use powerbutton and it comes down [06:05] jbicha: I have latest packages in the repo nothing custom [06:06] as long as more people have such issues I'm happy, just as long as its not a feautre :) [06:08] !info gnome-settings-daemon oneiric [06:08] gnome-settings-daemon (source: gnome-settings-daemon): daemon handling the GNOME session settings. In component main, is extra. Version 3.2.0-0ubuntu4 (oneiric), package size 437 kB, installed size 1536 kB [06:08] Kiranos: are you using that version ^ [06:10] apt-cache show gnome-settings-daemon|grep Version [06:10] Version: 3.2.0-0ubuntu4 [06:10] you can also use policy Kiranos :p [06:10] apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon [06:12] ah ok [06:12] gnome-settings-daemon: [06:12] Installerad: 3.2.0-0ubuntu4 [06:12] Kandidat: 3.2.0-0ubuntu4 [06:12] * swedish [06:12] but I think its understandable [06:12] Kiranos: pastebin the output of gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power [06:13] http://pastebin.com/wUKLEUYw [06:15] Kiranos: ok, those look like the defaults, and you're still having problems with autosuspend after you updated? [06:18] jbicha: yes I had it yesterday [06:18] I dont know if this package updated since then? I just rebooted my computer [06:18] after tonights updates [06:19] When I came to work about 30mins ago it was in hybernate [06:20] or autosuspend might be the correct word [06:21] Kiranos: you can look for the exact time of update in /var/log/apt/history.log [06:21] -0ubuntu4 fixed a lot of the problems, we're trying to see what issues remain after that update [06:22] Start-Date: 2011-10-04 07:59:02 [06:22] gnome-settings-daemon:i386 (3.2.0-0ubuntu3, 3.2.0-0ubuntu4), [06:22] this might have fixed it [06:22] jbicha: I'll come back here if it still exist but it probably fixed then today [06:22] thanks for the help! [06:23] date [06:23] tis 4 okt 2011 08.23.08 CEST [06:24] oh good :) [06:50] does anyone know how to install the sound menu? [06:53] or is anyone even here? [06:56] idle idle idle [06:56] keep them doggies idle [06:56] rawhide [06:57] :) [06:59] person [07:47] I have LC_ALL="fi_FI.UTF-8" as the last line in my .bashrc and when I try 'locale' it still says LC_ALL is undefined [07:49] in what configuration file should I put my LC_ALL? [07:50] I'm really getting fed up with Ubuntu [07:53] I don't have time for this [08:11] What time zone is the daily builds uploaded in? Latest builds are 03-Oct-2011 08:xx [08:16] How do I create a custom launcher now? [08:17] I want to get celtx in the unity bar, but it seems to only run through terminal. [08:18] I just need a launcher that runs a command when I click it. [08:21] oal: unless specified otherwise, I'd assume the servers are UTC [08:22] The 64bit isos are up now, jbicha :) [08:34] hey, is it possible to remove panel on the left? [08:34] just panel.. nothing else === timblechmann is now known as tim [08:58] hey, is it possible to remove panel on the left? [08:58] just panel.. nothing else [09:11] What broke usb? [09:12] udev seems to be completely broken or something [09:13] pulseaudio cant see any of my usb devices, i cant mount my external hard drives, it takes ages to boot and i get some /lib/udev/mtp-probe spam [09:14] in fact [09:14] http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-627410-initscript-assumes-lib-udev-mtp-probe-there-when-its-not-help-203412872.html [09:14] brb [09:20] mtp-runtime seems to fix it all... this should be a dep really [09:55] I installed GDM, GNOME 3 shell yesterday When I booted today morning, my GRUB 4 seconds counter wasent ticking, default option was recovery mode and when I selected 11.10 BETA 2 from list it just showed black screen [09:56] which remains forever... [09:56] I also updated my Ubuntu yesterday which included an GRUB update [09:56] so there [09:56] there;s a problem in GRUB, how am I supposed to fix it if I cannot boot into Ubuntu? [10:41] hi [10:42] anyone here can help me with an issue i got on kubuntu beta2 using kleopatra (gnupg)? [10:42] is there another channel for kubuntu beta2? [10:45] any hints appreciated :) - maybe i'm in the wrong channel and just don't know === gord is now known as Guest31871 === Guest31871 is now known as gord === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:10] Anyone help me how to install GNOME3 on Ubuntu 11.10 ? [11:13] Is it possible to install GNOME3 on Ubuntu 11.10 ? [11:17] rajmahendra, gnome-shell ? [11:18] !info gnome-shell [11:18] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.0-0ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 1041 kB, installed size 4864 kB [11:19] so gnome 3 will not be fully implemented in 11.10/ [11:20] KM0201, which part are you referring to as being not fully implemented [11:20] bazhang: ie, stable (id hardly consider gnome-shell stable) [11:21] more of a gnome issue is it not? [11:21] bazhang: probably, but iv'e used gnome 3 under Fedora, and while i think it sucks, it's stable [11:22] then stick with something pre 11.10 [11:22] well, i just switched to lxde [11:22] all is good int he world [11:22] :) [11:22] thank heavens for choice [11:40] hello, how I can clean "aptitude -f install", it recons to install unwanted packages that I have removed like mysql php and apache [11:50] i want to install GNOME 3 [11:50] rajmahendra, gnome-shell ? [11:51] yes [11:51] !notunity [11:51] Ubuntu Oneiric uses GNOME 3 with the !Unity shell by default. To use GNOME Shell on Oneiric, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place a new entry in the Sessions dropdown on the login window. [11:53] Pici, this is same one available on fedora right ? [12:02] Since upgrading to 11.10, but ubuntu box goes to sleep after about half an hour, even if it has active ssh logins and active NFS mounts. [12:02] This leads to disabling the eth port, and in turn causes kernel deadlocks when flush over nfs fails [12:03] Sleeping with files open over nfs is a bad idea anyway, especially if locks are held [12:04] any tips to stop it doing this? Also I noticed that the screen blanks every 15 minutes or so even though screen-saver is disabled [12:04] I have an HP Envy 17 and the clickpad does not work very well. I have tried a few things I have read for older ubuntu versions to no success. I also read that it should be fully supported out of the box in 11.04 and 11.10? [12:06] Hiyas all [13:23] where does empathy get its proxies from [13:23] ? [13:23] ever since i moved to 3.2 it does not seem to recogonise proxies [13:24] What do you mean by 'proxies'? [13:25] http proxy, https proxy [13:25] etc [13:26] Ah. [13:26] Sorry, misunderstood what you were asking. [13:26] :) [13:35] hai friends !! I upgraded my ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 . after upgrading the os I found that the sound preview in nautilus is not working . I googled it and I got that I need a package called sushi . and I also got the installation cammands from webupd8 but it says that unable to lacate package sushi .. so what I want to do for getting the previewer back to my os . [13:35] sudo apt-get update [13:35] did you run that one [13:36] dsathe, ya I did that but no luck [13:36] how can i log a nautilus core dump? apport didnt detect that nautilus crash [13:37] I got a core dump everytime I double click on any folder [13:37] Pretto: ubuntu-bug nautilus if you want to create a bug against it in launchpad [13:38] How do I get my HP synaptics touchpad "clickpad" working? I tried setting plugins false in dconf and using my own synaptics.conf settings that work in Archlinux but still no luck. [13:38] I tried gpointing-device-settings [13:38] iceroot: i did that once and they asked me for a trace file [13:38] And I have tried some things that came up with google. [13:45] Pretto: "strace nautilus" and then do the task which is killing nautilus [13:45] Pretto: i guess you have to install strace first [13:55] Anyone know how to get a nautilus previewer in ubuntu 11.10 when I upgraded to 11.10 my nautilus previewer is not working ! [14:05] sharpshooter, try searching for a ppa... but ppa for a beta isnt advisable [14:06] Persona24, so whats the state of your issue now? [14:07] xgt001, Flash is working but that was a weird glitch. Like I don't even understand how that could happen [14:07] xgt001, I tried the webupd8 but I got the error the unable to lacate package sushi [14:08] sharpshooter, the repositories may not contain all packages yet... [14:08] sushi ought to be in core oneric repos [14:08] xgt001, try chrome which has an older version of flash [14:08] its a gnome - extar thing [14:08] not a freebee [14:09] dsathe, is the package name exactly sushi> [14:09] xgt001, it's working fine now, I'm just confused. How could the sound card effect the speed of my flash player? [14:10] xgt001, so any other previewer for ubunt [14:10] packages.ubuntu.com/sushi [14:10] Persona24, well it depends on the output channel too i guess ...i am not too sure [14:10] dsathe, is working in ubuntu 11.10 [14:10] iceroot: thank you,I did the bug report [14:11] xgt001, is me running Ubuntu along side Windows effect anything at all? [14:11] no clue [14:12] Persona24, nope.. it shouldnt cause any side-effects at all [14:13] dsathe, in repositories the sushi package is a D-bus based IRC suite not a previewer [14:14] O.o [14:14] funny [14:14] xgt001, alright. . . Well this is just weird than lol [14:14]