[01:48] <broder> has anybody else run into a compiz issue with exiting from the expo view when unity isn't loaded? i can't seem to find a bug on it, but it's like compiz isn't repainting the desktop fully after exiting
[01:49] <broder> http://web.mit.edu/broder/Public/compiz-expo-bug.png - look at the edges of both the screen and the terminal window
[01:52] <broder> only seems to happen when unityshell isn't loaded, and i haven't triggered it with any other effect yet
[03:06] <robert_ancell> cjwatson, ping
[03:16] <robert_ancell> is anyone reproducing bug 863119?
[03:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863119 in lightdm "~/xsession-errors is owned by root, incorrect consolekit session breaking DRI" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863119
[03:16] <robert_ancell> (the CK/DRI breaking part)
[03:17] <smspillaz> jasoncwarner_: ping
[03:17] <smspillaz> jasoncwarner_: the stacking bugs that you get. do you have mumble open when they happen ?
[03:17]  * smspillaz may have fixed that one
[03:21] <smspillaz> ^^^ anyone else who still gets stacking bugs
[03:21] <smspillaz> broder: yeah, I am not sure what is causing that ATM
[03:21] <jbicha> smspillaz: I had a bug earlier today where my launcher was behind all my other windows but after a restart I don't see it
[03:22] <smspillaz> jbicha: running mumble ?
[03:23] <jbicha> smspillaz: nope, I don't have mumble, it was immediately after logging in after logging out of gnome shell
[03:23] <smspillaz> ok
[03:24] <smspillaz> jbicha: reproducible ?
[03:27] <jbicha> smspillaz: looks like it
[03:29] <jbicha> my launcher even manages to hide behind the desktop which is pretty weird
[03:29] <smspillaz> ok
[03:29] <jbicha> it's inconsistent though, I don't know what triggers it & what clears it up
[03:35] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I believe didrocks is reproducing that; he's a couple of hours away, though :)
[03:40] <broder> argh. this tomboy logout thing is really annoying. does anybody have any clue of how mono events/dbus-sharp event dispatching works?
[03:42] <RAOF> broder: Laney was looking into it yesterday.  I wonder if he documented anything in backscroll?
[03:42] <broder> oh, ok. i'll check
[03:42] <RAOF> Bah, insufficient backscroll.
[03:43] <RAOF> This seems like something I could help with, though.
[03:43] <broder> i don't see anything
[03:44] <broder> i managed to trace it to the point that DBus# doesn't think there's anybody queued up to handle QueryEndSession
[03:44] <broder> but i don't know enough about mono's managed event signal-alikes to really follow it much further
[03:44] <broder> there is a DBUS_VERBOSE environment variable that will confirm that
[03:44] <RAOF> Oh, so dbus-sharp is recieving the dbus message and is just not dispatching it?  That shouldn't be hard to trace.
[03:44] <broder> that was my conclusion
[03:45] <broder> does mono...have a functional debugger? i couldn't find any documentation on one - that was going to be my next step
[03:46] <RAOF> Monodevelop's debugger is pretty reasonable.
[03:46] <broder> can it do cross-library stuff?
[03:46] <RAOF> And with a couple of gdb macros you can get a pretty reasonable gdb session.
[03:46] <smspillaz> jbicha: ok, fingers crossed it's fixed
[03:47]  * smspillaz has to go
[03:48] <jbicha> smspillaz: thank you
[03:58] <RAOF> broder: Ok, I see what you're seeing.
[04:08] <pitti> Good morning
[04:11] <jasoncwarner_> smspillaz: not sur eif it is mumble or not...I didn't notice when I was having the issues. However, I haven't had any (knock on wood) issues this weekend with stacking.
[04:11] <jasoncwarner_> morning pitti :)
[04:11] <jasoncwarner_> good long weekend?
[04:11] <RAOF> Morning pitti :)
[04:12] <pitti> jasoncwarner_, RAOF: hey, how are you?
[04:12] <pitti> yeah, we were in Dresden again, and met family and friends again
[04:13] <RAOF> Bopping along to The Dandy Warhols ? 'Cause everydaa aa  aay should be a holiday ?
[04:13] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: nice
[04:14] <jbicha> chromium builds stopped a month ago
[04:14] <micahg> jbicha: yeah, fta left, we'll get them back online later this month, stable will be updated this week
[04:16] <jbicha> micahg: thanks
[04:18] <pitti> argh, another compiz crash
[04:18] <pitti> after only 20 minutes of running..
[04:25] <pitti> ah, bug 863303
[04:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863303 in unity "compiz assert failure: *** glibc detected *** compiz: free(): corrupted unsorted chunks: 0x0000000004a1d390 ***" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863303
[04:27] <RAOF> broder: Aha, think I found it.
[04:29] <RAOF> src/Connection.cs adds a match on Signal.Sender, which is ':1.194', but the handler is matching on .Sender = org.BansheeProject.CollectionIndexer.
[04:29] <RAOF> Furthermore, this is fixed in trunk by not adding those matches.
[04:30] <RAOF> (Although I guess it might want to be fixed by resolving the sender to the peer's bus name, but whatever)
[04:30] <broder> trunk of dbus-sharp?
[04:31] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:31] <RAOF> But in two easily SRUable commits, which I'm cherry picking right now.
[04:31] <broder> :)
[04:31] <broder> let me know if there's anything i can do to help
[04:31] <RAOF> What's the LP bug for this?
[04:32] <RAOF> The fix is either a 0-day SRU or a rapid upload of dbus-sharp; I'd like to know which :)
[04:32] <broder> bug #816950
[04:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 816950 in tomboy "Oneiric shutdown : Tomboy not responding" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816950
[04:34] <RAOF> Ok, it's got release-manager tracking happening.  Time for a rapid upload.
[04:34] <broder> :-D
[04:37] <jbicha> are we going to make a brand new PPA for the Oneiric GNOME 3.2 stuff?
[04:37] <pitti> robert_ancell: hey, how are you?
[04:38] <pitti> robert_ancell: as the apparmor stuff was a bit urgent, I uploaded the patch on Friday already, I hope you don't mind?
[04:38] <robert_ancell> no, of course not
[04:38] <pitti> robert_ancell: if you have any questions about the upstream merge proposal, I'm at your service :)
[04:39] <pitti> it should work fine for non-AppArmor systems as well, it just won't be protected then
[05:10] <pitti> bryceh: still awake?
[05:12] <pitti> bryceh: I reject the bash-completion upload; a debian-changes-1:1.3-1ubuntu5 patch crept in which partially reverts one of the patches; can you please fix/reupload?
[05:12] <jasoncwarner_> hey pitti , I saw this on ubuntu one a week ago. wondering if you know why this might be happening for someone - http://twitter.com/#!/humphreybc/status/121088043485642752/photo/1
[05:13] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: hm, clicking on the link just brings me back to the same twitter text page
[05:14] <pitti> seems you need to be logged in to look at it or so
[05:19] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: oh...one sec...it basically says that someone can't ubuntu-bug unity b/c unity is a not a genuine ubuntu package
[05:19] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: presumably he got it from the PPA then
[05:19] <jbicha> or he's just a little bit out of date
[05:19] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: oh, interesting...hadn't realized that.
[05:20] <jasoncwarner_> so if I have desktop-ppa, I can't submit bugs for those packages in the PPA?
[05:25] <bryceh> pitti, ok
[05:27] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: right
[05:29] <jbicha> pitti: does tracker qualify for the GNOME standing freeze exception?
[05:30] <bryceh> wtf, debuild -S adds that debdiff in there
[05:30] <pitti> jbicha: not quite
[05:30] <bryceh> er, debian-changes
[05:30] <pitti> bryceh: are you building from UDD? there's often trouble with pre-applied patches
[05:31] <bryceh> yeah the packaging has some sort of magick in it
[05:31] <bryceh> going to try starting over from scratch
[05:35] <pitti> bryceh: do you need your upload?
[05:35] <pitti> bryceh: you can dpkg-source it, quilt pop -a, drop the patch, and build again
[05:36] <smspillaz> don't you love it when your bios dies
[05:42] <bryceh> pitti, ok reuploaded
[05:42] <pitti> bryceh: thanks
[05:42] <bryceh> pitti, I don't need it myself; just was on patch pilot today and figured bash completion was a nice low-risk thing to work on
[05:43] <bryceh> plus it's got tons of simple patches filed against it :-)
[05:44] <BigWhale> Morning
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:07] <RAOF> Hey didrocks!
[06:07] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[06:07] <RAOF> There's a line forming to pester you with testing requests :)
[06:07] <didrocks> hey RAOF, rickspencer3
[06:07] <jasoncwarner_> morning didrocks :)
[06:08] <didrocks> RAOF: heh, you worked on the gnome-desktop3 check gl cras? :p
[06:08] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner_
[06:08] <RAOF> didrocks:  And robert_ancell would like you to test lightdm, I believe :)
[06:08] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks I logged a bug, thought you might like something to triage this morning:
[06:08] <rickspencer3> bug #865913
[06:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865913 in unity "Launcher Edge Activation Does not Work with Auto Run Apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865913
[06:08] <rickspencer3> I file bugs because I love
[06:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: sweet, I was just about filing it!
[06:10] <robert_ancell> didrocks, yes, can you reproduce that bug?
[06:11] <didrocks> robert_ancell: well, I get it quite randomly, yesterday, didn't get it before the 8th/9th reboot
[06:11] <robert_ancell> didrocks, but you think it was caused by ~/.xsessions-errors having the wrong permissions?
[06:12] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hum, I'm not sure, I didn't check that
[06:13] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[06:13] <didrocks> smspillaz: your patch is quite invasive, I prefer that we postpone that as a SRU
[06:14] <didrocks> pitti: guten morgen. I'm ok, thanks! And you, How was your week-end?
[06:15] <didrocks> smspillaz: and you c-p-m patches containing still some debug printf…
[06:22] <jbicha> does a g-s-d update like yesterday's require rebooting to go into effect & fix the bugs
[06:28] <didrocks> robert_ancell: so, do I have something to test?
[06:30] <pitti> didrocks: pretty nice, thanks! were in Dresden again
[06:31] <didrocks> pitti: enjoyed some nice weather there?
[06:32] <didrocks> pitti: John is already warned that we can't without changing the translations retitle to "Ubuntu Destkop" for bug #865150 my pick would be just "Desktop" and remove the logo
[06:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865150 in ayatana-design "UIFe: Remove Ubuntu logo again from desktop title" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865150
[06:33] <didrocks> pitti: not like if I didn't warn them about the confusion and the bfb when the first request was down, but I was turned down…
[06:35] <didrocks> mvo: hey, how was you long week-end?
[06:37] <RAOF> didrocks: You could test out gnome-desktop for me if you wanted to :)
[06:37] <didrocks> RAOF: yes, I can try to do some reboot, but as yesterday, as it's pretty random, I can't say 100% "it's fixed" :)
[06:38] <RAOF> didrocks: Oh, that won't fix it.  Well, it will make it so that it doesn't segfault and will print something to check that I'm not mad in .xsession-errors.
[06:39] <RAOF> Yeah, just keep an eye out when you're testing lightdm; it's not a critical bug.  Basically the only side-effect will be crash files in /var/crash.
[06:39] <didrocks> RAOF: so, I bet compiz will crash again then :)
[06:39] <didrocks> if .xsession-errors is sick
[06:40] <jbicha> Fedora's advanced partitioner is amazingly complex (reading Planet GNOME)
[06:41] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:41] <RAOF> Unnecessarily so, it seems.
[06:42] <mvo> didrocks: very nice and relaxing! good morning to you as well
[06:42] <didrocks> yeah, can be more useful for a graphical server install, but for a client…
[06:43] <didrocks> mvo: great! FYI, I reassigned you 3 piston-miniclient crashes that seems to be due to recent proxy changes
[06:43] <didrocks> mvo: jibel has such a setup
[06:43] <mvo> didrocks: thanks, and *weeeh*
[06:43] <didrocks> sorry ;)
[06:44] <mvo> didrocks: no, just the opposite, thanks a lot for this!
[06:44] <didrocks> mvo: the ascii plage is spreading to pitti as well bug #865394
[06:44] <didrocks> bot? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/865394
[06:44] <ubot2> didrocks: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0xa1a25ec> bug 865394 not found
[06:44] <mvo> didrocks: did jibel setup work before and the proxy change broke it?
[06:45] <didrocks> mvo: I don't know at all, he can easily trigger it with just trying to sync oneconf-service
[06:45] <didrocks> mvo: I just got all those 3 bugs this week-end
[06:46] <mvo> didrocks: ta
[06:46] <didrocks> yw :)
[06:46] <jibel> mvo, didrocks are you talking about bug 863717 ?
[06:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863717 in piston-mini-client "oneconf-service crashed with HTTPError in __negotiatehttp(): (403, 'Forbidden')" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863717
[06:46] <didrocks> jibel: exactly
[06:47] <robert_ancell> cjwatson, ping
[06:47] <jibel> mvo, I get it everytime I update the package cache with apt-get update for example.
[06:47] <mvo> jibel: good morning!
[06:48] <jibel> mvo, and good morning :)
[06:48] <mvo> jibel: thats good as it means it easy to reproduce :) what is your "echo $http_proxy" output ? anything "unusual" about your setup? do you use squid-deb-proxy?
[06:49] <smspillaz> didrocks: ah, I think they should be removed though in later patches. I'll refresh them
[06:50] <didrocks> smspillaz: do you think that bug #865913 can be a stacking issue?
[06:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865913 in unity "Launcher Edge Activation Does not Work with AutoMaxized Apps" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865913
[06:50] <smspillaz> didrocks: nope
[06:50] <didrocks> it's the hide machine then?
[06:50] <smspillaz> didrocks: probably. It's best to check with other edge triggering actions
[06:50] <didrocks> and last time we try to poke the debug, it crashes, just saw a workaround that lamalex committed :/
[06:50] <didrocks> smspillaz: yep, I need to add one though
[06:51] <jibel> mvo, http_proxy = http://nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn:nnnn/ (with digits instead of Ns of course)
[06:52] <jibel> mvo, it is a squid proxy without auth and that transparently redirects deb requests to apt-cacher-ng.
[06:52] <smspillaz> didrocks: it seems to work fine here fwiw, but I'll need to update my other system and check
[06:53] <didrocks> smspillaz: multiple people get it randomly
[06:53] <smspillaz> like I said, I will update my other system and check. I don't know my way around the launcher hide machine that well though
[06:54]  * smspillaz is better at fixing things like ... stacking
[06:54] <mvo> jibel: thanks, let me look at this for a minute too see
[06:54] <jibel> mvo, in the proxy logs there are a couple of 403 "TCP_MISS/403 448 GET http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/universe/i18n/Translation-en_US - FIRST_UP_PARENT/localhost text/html"
[06:54] <jibel> I don't know if it is related
[06:55] <robert_ancell> pitti, I've got patches for lightdm to fix bug 862427 and bug 863119 and I'm waiting for cjwatson to confirm a patch for bug 864618.  Should I upload the first two or wait for all three?
[06:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862427 in lightdm "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not set translation domain" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862427
[06:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863119 in lightdm "~/xsession-errors is owned by root, incorrect consolekit session breaking DRI" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863119
[06:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864618 in lightdm "UTF-8 locale no longer set" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864618
[06:56] <smspillaz> didrocks: I'll ask jason about it when he wakes up. Though, if you are able to reproduce it, can you post your xwininfo of the very left edge of the screen ?
[06:57] <didrocks> smspillaz: I guess it's the compiz arc, jono already pinged Jason about it a week ago
[06:57] <didrocks> that's where we discovered that the debug machine is broken
[06:59] <mvo> jibel: that dosn't look releated, does something show up in your apt-cache logs? I wonder if it maybe redirected you accidently?
[07:01] <jibel> mvo, nothing of interest.
[07:07]  * robert_ancell goes off for diner, but will be back to check up on bugs later tonight
[07:09] <didrocks> robert_ancell: enjoy
[07:11] <smspillaz> didrocks: what do you mean by "the compiz arc" ?
[07:13] <didrocks> smspillaz: IIRC, xwininfo qualifies this small window as "arc"
[07:14] <mvo> jibel: what does ' echo -e "GET http://reviews.ubuntu.com/ HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn NNN ' print? any useful error message or the html page of reviews?
[07:17] <mvo> didrocks: I suspect that #84280 and #865175 are not releated to the proxy, just "odd" network setups or hickups
[07:17] <jibel> mvo, HTTP/1.0 301 Moved Permanently http://paste.ubuntu.com/702107/
[07:17] <didrocks> mvo: ok, I didn't assign it clearly because of that. only jibel's one as it's known as being clearly a proxy issue :)
[07:18] <mvo> jibel: ohh, if you change http to https in the echo, what does it say?
[07:18] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, thats definitely one :)
[07:27] <jibel> mvo, I'm not sure how to do an ssl request with nc ?
[07:27] <mvo> oh, that is a good question
[07:27] <mvo> I guess I should actually look up the real url instead, hold on a minute or two
[07:28] <maxb> use openssl s_client
[07:28] <mvo> aha, thannks maxb!
[07:28] <maxb> openssl s_client -connect host:port
[07:29] <jibel> maxb, and to make this command pass through the proxy ?
[07:31] <Sweetshark> Morning Desktoppers!
[07:31] <jasoncwarner_> Sweetshark: morning...
[07:32] <maxb> er, proxy?
[07:32] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[07:33] <pitti> robert_ancell: if it will take a bit longer, two uploads are fine; it's a small package
[07:34] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, I get these all the time; python 3 porting should fix these for good
[07:34] <didrocks> pitti: I'm wondering why it happened recently though, what changed? Barry isn't sure
[07:34] <didrocks> pitti: it makes crashing a lot of project for a month approx. mvo is impacted as well
[07:36] <pitti> perhaps we got more translations since then?
[07:36] <didrocks> hum, perhaps, weird for projects that didn't change at all like sotware-properties-gtk though
[07:37] <didrocks> (it was already 100% translated in French last cycle)
[07:42] <maxb> jibel: oh, sorry - I was amusing myself with IRC on my phone, on the bus to work, and didn't have full scrollback
[07:42] <jbicha> nautilus segfaults if nautilus-open-terminal is installed? do I need to open a bug to request removing it from the Oneiric archives or is bug 865297 sufficient?
[07:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865297 in nautilus-open-terminal "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gconf_client_get()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865297
[07:44] <jbicha> that's the latest release of n-o-t & there haven't been any git commits since release 7 months ago
[07:44] <jibel> maxb, np, thanks
[07:45] <maxb> jibel: Are you able to explicitly connect to the apt-cacher-ng directly?
[07:45] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:45] <mvo> jibel: I know whats goind on and work on it now
[07:46] <jibel> mvo, ok great. finally here is the output of the request over https http://paste.ubuntu.com/702117/
[07:46] <jbicha> I guess n-o-t is just trying to ready gconf settings that don't exist any more
[07:47] <rodrigo_> hey mvo
[07:47] <rodrigo_> mvo, I have a gnome-desktop branch with a fix for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660482
[07:47] <mvo> jibel: it appears the current httplib2 just supports CONNECT based proxying which TBH is rather silly for our use-case
[07:48] <ubot2> Gnome bug 660482 in power "dpms interferes with g-s-d screen blanking counter" [Normal,Assigned]
[07:48] <rodrigo_> mvo, can you test it?
[07:48] <mvo> rodrigo_: cool, yes, any debs already ;)
[07:49] <mvo> rodrigo_: have you seen comment #7 ?
[07:49] <rodrigo_> mvo, no, no debs, you'll have to build it, as well as lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu
[07:49] <rodrigo_> mvo, no, looking
[07:50] <rodrigo_> mvo, hence the g-s-d branch, it has a call to gnome_rr_screen_set_dpms_mode on startup
[07:50] <mvo> rodrigo_: aha, cool
[07:51] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok, the branches are lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-desktop3/fix_863038 and lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu
[07:54] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[07:54] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey!
[07:54] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you? ;-)
[07:54] <seb128> robert_ancell, thanks for staying up, I guess you wanted to catch up on things? ;-)
[07:55] <robert_ancell> seb128, trying to find a cjwatson.  There's 3 bugs I want to get in before rc; bug 862427 and bug 863119 and bug 864618
[07:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862427 in lightdm "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not set translation domain" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862427
[07:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863119 in lightdm "~/xsession-errors is owned by root, incorrect consolekit session breaking DRI" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863119
[07:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864618 in lightdm "UTF-8 locale no longer set" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864618
[07:56] <seb128> robert_ancell, those are basically the one I listed to RAOF yesterday, so seems we have the same list, good ;-)
[07:56] <seb128> robert_ancell, do you plan to upload 1.0.1 or to cherrypick?
[07:56] <robert_ancell> seb128, have you heard of anything else critical that we should deal with?  I expect to do at least one SRU, and provide a PPA for oneiric for those that have  edge functionality that may not work perfect
[07:56] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[07:57] <robert_ancell> seb128, I've pushed the first two as patches into the ubuntu branch.  I'm wary about taking all of 1.0.1 just in case there's any regressions
[07:57] <seb128> robert_ancell, let me look at the bugs assigneed to you, I assigned what I though was important
[07:57] <seb128> robert_ancell, the 1.0 commits seems fine to me but backporting works for me
[07:57] <seb128> pitti, hey, how are you? had a nice w.e?
[07:57] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I noticed you assigned me a LOT of bugs.  I've unassigned the low priority ones
[07:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, sorry I didn't know how much subscribing would reach you, I used basically as a "robert, it would be nice it you could read this one and decide if it's important or not" ;-)
[07:58] <robert_ancell> seb128, heh, you are sneaky like that
[07:59] <seb128> heh :p
[07:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, it's a service I'm providing you, stop complaining ;-)
[07:59] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, bug #851612 is somewhat some we should fix at least in a sru if it still happens
[07:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851612 in lightdm "Logging out from a FUS session does not reliably return to VT7" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851612
[07:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, if we do take 1.0.1, it has the change to make the GTK greeter select the previous user on login - do you think that would need a FFE?
[08:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, otherwise your list seems to be those I had as well
[08:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, there's that and the 100% CPU one, but I've no idea what's causing them
[08:00] <RAOF> Good morning seb128 :)
[08:00] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:00] <seb128> hey RAOF
[08:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, hum, good question
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, ^ <robert_ancell> seb128, if we do take 1.0.1, it has the change to make the GTK greeter select the previous user on login - do you think that would need a FFE?
[08:00] <robert_ancell> there's also the multi-monitor stuff, which is not great, but the best we can do.  We're really leaning on X to "do the right thing" here
[08:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, X should do the right thing!
[08:01] <robert_ancell> I think the Xubuntu guys want that change
[08:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, if not you need to pay extra beers to RAOF until it does ;-)
[08:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, yeah, I would argue it's an important bug fix and not a feature
[08:01] <seb128> it sucks usability wise to always have the wrong user selected on boot
[08:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, let me look at the actual code diff
[08:02] <pitti> seb128: I need to leave a bit earlier today; I don't expect that we need to discuss much on the meeting, but would you be able to chair?
[08:03] <seb128> pitti, can do
[08:03] <pitti> seb128: merci
[08:03] <seb128> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/1.0/revision/1220 <- now or sru? need a ffe?
[08:03] <seb128> pitti, yw
[08:04] <robert_ancell> seb128, do you happen to know what hours cjwatson does?
[08:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, so you fixed the xsession-errors owned by root
[08:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, it's 9am for him, he should be soon around I think
[08:04] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I don't see why it would case the CK issue though
[08:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, right, I was going to ask "what about ck"
[08:04] <seb128> which is the issue we care about ;-)
[08:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, I've never seen it, didrocks said he saw it, but only after 9+ reboots
[08:05] <seb128> so it's likely that the ck issue is not fixed right?
[08:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, I can't see a connection between the two
[08:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, jibel says he see it every 5 boots or something
[08:05] <pitti> robert_ancell: btw, did you ever talk to the security team about the three remaining items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-lightdm ?
[08:05] <didrocks> robert_ancell: well, as told, I'm not sure it's xsession-errors owned by root, RAOF think that the crash at startup I can get is because of it
[08:05] <mvo> rodrigo_: its installeld now, give me some minutes to test it (will require 10min of inactivity )
[08:05] <didrocks> robert_ancell: and we have more than 30+ similar bugs
[08:06] <robert_ancell> jibel, didrocks, can you get a lightdm.log after the issue?  I'd expect the log to show what CK said
[08:06] <didrocks> robert_ancell: I'll try to reproduce today, but later
[08:06] <robert_ancell> didrocks, np
[08:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, let me know the infos you need and I will try to get those
[08:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, I got the xsession-errors permission issue in a guest session yesterday but ck was right and 3d working
[08:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, so I'm pretty sure they are different issues
[08:07] <jibel> robert_ancell, trying now. do you need any other info ?
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, hello?
[08:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, lightdm.log logs all the CK calls, and the responses from the CK daemon.  So I'm hoping either lightdm incorrectly didn't call it, or CK returned an error
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: looking
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[08:08] <robert_ancell> jibel, the logs should be all I need
[08:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, I asked micahg, and he put me onto someone else and then I forgot sorry
[08:08] <pitti> seb128, robert_ancell: remember last user> oh, I thought we already got that fix? it certainly works for me now
[08:08] <robert_ancell> I think they're happy however
[08:09] <pitti> before that fix it always selected the wrong user, now it's "martin" by default
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, it's fixed for the unity-greeter
[08:09] <pitti> ooh wait, "gtk greeter"
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, that fix is for the gtk one
[08:09] <pitti> robert_ancell, seb128: fine for me to upload it now
[08:10] <seb128> robert_ancell, you should roll a 1.0.1 today still if you can and upload
[08:11] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, I'll do that
[08:11] <robert_ancell> I just want to wait for cjwatson.
[08:11] <pitti> robert_ancell: could you merge the apparmor fix for that?
[08:13] <robert_ancell> pitti, sure
[08:13] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok, no hurry :)
[08:14] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you need cjwatson for the locale bug? pitti can maybe reply as well
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: I'll poke bug 840292
[08:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 840292 in nautilus-share "uses synaptic to install samba which is not on the CD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840292
[08:14] <robert_ancell> Actually pitti, you might know the issue cjwatson is getting - he now has LANG=en_GB set by lightdm.  The lightdm logic is a) get a LANG from pam b) set LANG based on the user configured language (dmrc/accountsservice) c) set LANG and others in ~/.profile
[08:14] <seb128> pitti, thanks, I was going to ask mvo for review today of the aptdaemon code there
[08:14] <robert_ancell> LANG is set by scanning the output of 'locale -a' and matching the first one.
[08:15] <robert_ancell> I think he must have both en_GB and en_GB.utf8 in 'locale -a' which is why lightdm is picking en_GB (I don't in mine).  So the proposed fix is to scan the list twice, once for lang.codeset and then for lang if it doesn't match.  Does that make sense?
[08:19] <pitti> robert_ancell: I also have a few en_XX in locale -a
[08:19] <pitti> but these don't look valid
[08:19] <pitti> e. g.
[08:19] <pitti> en_IN
[08:19] <pitti> en_IN.utf8
[08:19] <pitti> (I don't have en_GB, though)
[08:19] <pitti> robert_ancell: but parsing "locale -a" for setting $LANG doesn't make sense
[08:20] <pitti> robert_ancell: what is that supposed to do?
[08:20] <robert_ancell> pitti, well I have a language, and I need to make a valid LANG value.  But I have no idea what codesets are available
[08:20] <pitti> seb128: I'll sponsor the apturl one, as proposed by hyperair; it's a lot simpler
[08:20] <hyperair> pitti: thanks.
[08:20] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks
[08:21] <pitti> robert_ancell: ah, you parse it for the first line that matches the language, not just for the first line?
[08:21] <robert_ancell> yes
[08:21] <pitti> still, shouldn't /etc/profile / /etc/default/locale already set the default $LANG, if we don't have one?
[08:22] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes, but I have to override it if dmrc defines one
[08:22] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, bug #865990
[08:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865990 in nux "compiz crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865990
[08:22] <robert_ancell> and then we override that in ~/.profile with the full locale settings
[08:22] <pitti> robert_ancell: so, en_GB would be the ISO-8859-1 variant
[08:22] <pitti> robert_ancell: they are not actually supposed to be built, but it seems they are for some reason
[08:22] <pitti> robert_ancell: would it be possible to scan /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED instead of `locale -a`, and only grab UTF-8 ones?
[08:23] <robert_ancell> pitti, I'd like to just slap .utf8 on the end, but some codesets are still used right?
[08:23] <pitti> robert_ancell: e. g. en_IN is actually UTF-8
[08:23] <pitti> robert_ancell: it's not that easy
[08:23] <pitti> robert_ancell: we only really support UTF-8 ones; I meant that you can't just append .utf8
[08:24] <pitti> robert_ancell: /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED is the definition of valid locale names, and `locale -a` shows the ones that are built on the local machine
[08:24] <pitti> so I think you'd need both
[08:24] <pitti> well, actually I think you need neither :)
[08:24] <pitti> if the user doesn't have a locale set in ~/.profile, it should just use /etc/default/lcoale
[08:24] <robert_ancell> pitti, it's only there because derivative don't have a method of setting ~/.profile
[08:25] <pitti> robert_ancell: ah, this happens for (b) only?
[08:25] <robert_ancell> and I hope we can remove it in the future
[08:25] <pitti> i. e. from .dmrc/accountsservice?
[08:25] <robert_ancell> yes
[08:25] <robert_ancell> so, it's upgraded users that see it
[08:25] <robert_ancell> and xubuntu etc
[08:25] <robert_ancell> and GNOME shell
[08:26] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks & smspillaz https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/865990
[08:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865990 in nux "compiz crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [Undecided,New]
[08:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: so, locale -a -v has the codeset, or you use /u/s/i18n/SUPPORTED to limit to UTF-8 codesets
[08:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: but perhaps your proposal would do for now as well, and be a lot simpler
[08:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: i. e. grep all '^ll_.*', take the first .utf8, and if it doesn't exist, take the first
[08:27] <robert_ancell> pitti, yeah, it's really just  a sticking plaster anyway
[08:27] <pitti> robert_ancell: at least that will cause a lot fewer error cases :)
[08:28] <robert_ancell> pitti, so the only case where it might break is if you have two or more codesets, but I'm hoping that's pretty irrelevant
[08:28] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: was supposed to be fixed though…
[08:28] <seb128> jibel, hey, any luck getting the lightdm,ck,compiz not starting issue today?
[08:28] <pitti> robert_ancell: the only case I know there is sr_RS vs. sr_RS@latin
[08:28] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: adding to the target, asking for dx to look at
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, btw I assigned you one bug and subscribe you to another one yesterday (iirc)
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, the assigned is that the lens need a gettext domain in their .ini (to test if that's enough)
[08:29] <jibel> seb128, I'm currently trying to reproduce it
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, the subscribed is dobey's launcher migration code, he put it in g-s-d to migrate ubuntuone-control-panel.desktop to ubuntu-installer.desktop ... dunno if you prefer to do that in the unity migration code?
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, he did it in g-s-d
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: you subscribe me to this one, isn't it: bug #865593
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865593 in ubuntuone-client-gnome "Ubuntu One launcher disappears on upgrade to Oneiric" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865593
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, right, just in case you would prefer do that migration in the unity script
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, i.e I wanted your opinion on it
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: no, I don't think we want to support all those .desktop file change
[08:31] <seb128> ok, great
[08:31] <seb128> so feel free to unsubscribe
[08:31] <seb128> ;-)
[08:31] <didrocks> seb128: btw, changing the gsettings key won't work
[08:31] <didrocks> but well :)
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, why not? can you comment saying so on the bug?
[08:31] <didrocks> not sure dobey tested it…
[08:32] <seb128> didrocks, no, he couldn't boot his oneiric yesterday
[08:32] <seb128> he was running into upstart issue
[08:32] <seb128> well when I went to bed they were still debugging those
[08:32] <seb128> didrocks, the translation one is bug #865430
[08:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865430 in ubuntu-translations "Categories "Applications" and "Files and folders" are untranslated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865430
[08:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, I take it your laptop suspended yesterday when you went out?
[08:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, no it didn't!
[08:33] <rodrigo_> oh, with the fixes in the g-desdktop and g-s-d branches?
[08:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, so maybe it was my keys still in wrong state before
[08:33] <rodrigo_> oh
[08:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, I missed the commit to call the dpms even when the configuration didn't change when I went to sport
[08:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, but the dpms issue just cause the screen cutting, not the suspend
[08:34] <rodrigo_> yeah, but I was thinking it might be related, not sure yet what g-.screensaver does, looking now
[08:34] <rodrigo_> seb128, but that's good news indeed :)
[08:35] <rodrigo_> pitti, did you have any other undesired suspend yesterday with the updated g-s-d?
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, the "ctrl" bug is weird, i.e ctrl-O in gedit open the fileselector for me
[08:35] <pitti> rodrigo_: no, worked fine this morning (during shower/breakfast)
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, not sure what is different for i.e the gtimelog examples
[08:35] <pitti> rodrigo_: thanks!
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: yes, gedit now works for me, too
[08:36] <seb128> rodrigo_, so I think we can consider the g-s-d suspend on idle fixed, you have the dpms fix pending upload for gnome-desktop,gsd ... that let the gnome-screensaver issue?
[08:38] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[08:38] <rodrigo_> I'm waiting on mvo for confirming the fix
[08:40] <mvo> rodrigo_: sorry, got dragged in a call :/ will take some minutes
[08:40] <rodrigo_> mvo, don't worry, no pressure :D
[08:40] <robert_ancell> pitti, can I get you to make a merge for the stable branch?
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: the ini file have a translations domain
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: I guess it's only unity home dash not picking the translation
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, ok, it was late and I didn't check the fact, just read the bug description
[08:42] <didrocks> yeah, it's wrong :)
[08:42]  * didrocks looks at the home dash code
[08:42] <seb128> $ gettext -d unity-lens-files "Files & Folders"
[08:42] <seb128> Fichiers et dossiers
[08:42] <seb128> so it's translated on disk at least
[08:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, perhaps there's some bzr  magic, but I tried to merge to the stable branch and it dragged in everything else
[08:44] <didrocks> seb128: yep, otherwise, we won't get it on the lens view
[08:44] <didrocks> seb128: it's only in the home dash
[08:44] <seb128> right
[08:44] <seb128> robert_ancell, just merge -c <revnum>?
[08:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, which revnum?
[08:45] <seb128> robert_ancell, the commit that you want to backport
[08:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, I'm not sure what you try to do there ;-)
[08:46] <robert_ancell> seb128, pitti's apparmor patch is on trunk, but I need it on the 1.0 branch
[08:46] <robert_ancell> I think it's multiple commits
[08:47] <pitti> robert_ancell: if you do a merge, it'll be folded into one commit on trunk
[08:47] <pitti> robert_ancell: so you can use "bzr merge -c 12345 ../trunk" in the 1.0.1 branch for cherry-picking it
[08:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, so merge -r<r1>...<r3>
[08:48] <seb128> i.e bzr merge -r1234..1236 ../trunk
[08:48] <robert_ancell> seb128, trying now...
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, bug #849732 are you sure it's still an issue then?
[08:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 849732 in unity-2d "Control/Alt key bindings are broken in GTK 3 programs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849732
[08:51] <pitti> seb128: yes, see my updated description
[08:51] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/BoD-Election-Candidates-td3390541.html btw
[08:51] <pitti> gtimelog is still broken, but works with UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0
[08:52] <seb128> pitti, I wonder how gtimelog is different from other softwares
[08:52] <seb128> wondering if that's pythonish
[08:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: Where does launchpad get the idea it needs to import translation templates from? I want it to stop doing that, as what it currently imports is wrong, outdated and unused.
[08:53] <pitti> seb128: I don't know; it used to work just fine until mid-oneiric
[08:53] <seb128> pitti, ok, well at least it works in 90% cases now
[08:53] <pitti> Sweetshark: that's a question for henninge/dpm; but it generally imports all po files from uploads
[08:54] <pitti> seb128: yeah, got a lot better
[08:55] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah, ok. Then the problem will solve itself soon ;)
[08:58] <dpm> pitti, Sweetshark, re: LO, is this not something that can be disabled at the package level? LP only imports what the package gives it. If the package uploaded contains POT/PO files, it will import them, but it won't if it doesn't. There should be a rule in the LO package that builds POT files. If that's not desired, it can be removed or disabled (but I thought it was disabled anyway)
[09:01] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, testing 1.0.1, brb
[09:05] <Sweetshark> dpm: well, for 3.4 we (debian/ubuntu) still use one of the old go-oo repositories, and those contain some dead files that nobody cares to remove right now, because we will remove the repository as a whole for 3.5
[09:07] <Sweetshark> dpm: so ohm, this is likely just transitional then. I just wondered, if launchpad keeps track of this somewhere else too.
[09:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, It seems good to me, can you smoketest it?
[09:08] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, where is it?
[09:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, I made a release, and updated the ubuntu branch.  I have to go now though
[09:09] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, just upload, I will test and drop it from the queue if I run into any issue
[09:09] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, will do
[09:09] <seb128> robert_ancell, thanks a lot for staying and getting the update out ;-)
[09:09] <seb128> robert_ancell, have a nice evening!
[09:09] <dpm> Sweetshark, the LO/OO translation templates in LP were disabled a while ago, so it shouldn't import any translations even if the package contains them. How are you noticing they are being imported, are you getting e-mail from LP with import notifications?
[09:16] <seb128> rickspencer3: not sure but I think your bug is a duplicate of bug #832150
[09:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832150 in unity "ubuntu desktop unity. Mouse at the left side doesn't reveal launcher" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832150
[09:16] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[09:16] <seb128> just for info
[09:17] <didrocks> seb128: I guess it is too, but none of them have 100% reproducible test case, so prefer to keep them on track, unduped
[09:17] <seb128> i.e I don't think autorunning those is different from manually running them, it happens there with manual runs
[09:17] <seb128> didrocks, ok ;-)
[09:17] <seb128> well I guess it 100% of the time in a guest session there so if somebody needs info
[09:18] <didrocks> seb128: oh really? nice. The issue is that the debug machine is broken right now
[09:18] <didrocks> (fixed in trunk though)
[09:18] <seb128> right, it segfault unity :p
[09:18] <didrocks> seb128: so, after this release, I'll probably poke you :)
[09:18] <didrocks> yeah…
[09:18] <seb128> didrocks, well I'm running the ppa version
[09:18] <seb128> does that include those fixes?
[09:18] <didrocks> seb128: it's not in
[09:18] <Sweetshark> dpm: yes, and only with the latest upload. The upload before triggered no such mail. That confused me quite a bit.
[09:19] <didrocks> let me recheck, but pretty sure it's not
[09:19] <didrocks> no, it's not
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, ok, finish what you are doing, no hurry, I just get it at guest session start in a consistant way if somebody needs infos
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: that's nice to know, we'll dig it for a SRU
[09:20] <didrocks> thanks :)
[09:20] <seb128> great ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> yw!
[09:21] <Sweetshark> dpm: I remember however, the "libreoffice" upstream project in launchpad got deleted recently (since the is also "df-libreoffice"), so I wondered if something went off track there.
[09:21] <dpm> Sweetshark, can you post the e-mail you got from LP somewhere so I can have a look at it?
[09:35] <OwaisL> Guys, is gnome-settings-daemon broken in Oneiric right now or is it just me?
[09:36] <seb128> just you
[09:36] <seb128> how is it broken for you?
[09:36] <OwaisL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/866047
[09:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 866047 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon does not work anymore in Oneiric" [Undecided,New]
[09:36] <OwaisL> It doesn't load the settings, themes, etc
[09:36] <OwaisL> but the process doesn't crash
[09:37] <OwaisL> Killing and restarting the process does not work either
[09:37] <OwaisL> but starting as root does load theme for root user
[09:39] <seb128> OwaisL, gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings active
[09:39] <seb128> OwaisL, can you run that?
[09:39] <xclaesse> is there something preventing apps to load plugins (mmap a .so gives permission denied) ? I've build and installed the .so into /usr/lib
[09:40] <xclaesse> I suspect apparmor, but I don't know if that's the kind of stuff it does
[09:40] <OwaisL> seb128, result is false
[09:41] <seb128> OwaisL, there you go
[09:41] <seb128> OwaisL, did you try to run unity-greeter in your session?
[09:42] <seb128> xclaesse, you can check syslog for apparmor warnings
[09:43] <OwaisL> Yes, I did try sometime last week with xephyr
[09:44] <xclaesse> seb128, Oct  4 11:42:41 localhost kernel: [34349.451916] type=1400 audit(1317721361.724:218): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_mmap" parent=18616 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5" name="/usr/lib/mission-control-plugins.0/mcp-account-manager-goa.so" pid=18701 comm="mission-control" requested_mask="m" denied_mask="m" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[09:44] <seb128> OwaisL, ok, unity-greeter has a specific g-s-d stripped config
[09:44] <seb128> xclaesse, ok, it's apparmor then
[09:44] <xclaesse> seb128, how do I tell apparmor it's fine?
[09:45] <OwaisL> It started to work after gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings active true
[09:46] <xclaesse> seb128, seems MC gets permission denied for everything I'v installed manually in /usr/local
[09:46] <OwaisL> seb128, thanks a ton! Is there any other settings I should revert?
[09:46] <xclaesse> seb128, that behaviour is new in oneiric?
[09:46] <seb128> xclaesse, yes, it didn't have an apparmor profile before oneiric
[09:47] <seb128> xclaesse, see bug #816133
[09:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 816133 in telepathy-mission-control-5 "add telepathy profile from the apparmor-profiles repository" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816133
[09:48] <seb128> xclaesse, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor
[09:48] <seb128> xclaesse, you can probably use -complain to not have it block you
[09:50] <xclaesse> seb128, thanks
[09:51] <seb128> xclaesse, yw
[09:51] <xclaesse> seb128, so aa is used for apps accessing directly the network?
[09:51] <xclaesse> seb128, I don't think MC does, it goes through the CMs
[09:51] <seb128> xclaesse, everything which could be sensitive to security issues
[09:52] <seb128> xclaesse, read the bug I pointed for the rational, or talk to jdstrand when he's there (he's u.s based so still sleeping)
[09:52] <xclaesse> ok. tbh I trust distro guys for that, I'm not really familiar myself
[09:52] <seb128> xclaesse, we apparmor lot of things, including i.e evince since pdf readers often have issues
[09:52] <xclaesse> complain mode should be enough for me now
[09:52] <seb128> great ;-)
[09:58] <seb128> OwaisL, sorry I missed your highlight before
[09:58] <seb128> OwaisL, it's likely that you want to reset all the org.gnome.settings-daemon keys
[09:58] <seb128> OwaisL, i.e use dconf-editor, go through the list and click "set default" at least for the enable values
[09:58] <xclaesse> seb128, if I start MC from source dir, it shouldn't be affected by apparmor, right?
[09:59] <seb128> not sure
[09:59] <seb128> pitti, ^
[09:59] <pitti> xclaesse: correct; it's path based
[09:59] <xclaesse> ok so even if I start it from /usr/local it won't be affected?
[10:00] <pitti> right
[10:06] <OwaisL> seb128, thanks! will do.
[10:06] <seb128> OwaisL, yw
[10:17] <seb128> RAOF, \o/
[10:18] <seb128> RAOF, thanks for fixing the dbus signal dispatch thing ;-)
[10:23] <mvo> rodrigo_: sorry, sorry, I had a long call just now, now I restarted the session
[10:29] <rodrigo_> mvo, no problem :)
[10:39] <kamstrup> pitti: woohoo! Nailed the pygobject crasher in dee that has rendered all Python lenses crashing. When you have time to review https://bugs.launchpad.net/pygobject/+bug/855402 and/or https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638915
[10:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855402 in unity "Python lenses segfault with pygobject3" [Critical,In progress]
[10:43] <pitti> kamstrup|lunch: just saw, great! however, I can't ack it for upstream, you'd need to poke tomeu (or J5 in the afternoon) for this
[10:52] <kamstrup|lunch> pitti: ok
[10:57] <zalluth> hi all..
[11:06] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, putting check-language-support functionality into aptdaemon sounds like a nice idea
[11:07] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, that should work for all distros also, so we were talking about a InstallLanguage method
[11:10] <seb128> sorry guys for flooding the mailing list ;-)
[11:11]  * rodrigo_ adds seb128 to spam filter
[11:11] <seb128> lol
[11:12] <zalluth> include esekeyd to enable laptop multimedia functionality on fullscreen game
[11:12] <seb128> hey zalluth
[11:13] <zalluth> hi too..
[11:13] <seb128> why is a separate package needed for that?
[11:13] <seb128> shouldn't the multimedia keys just work?
[11:13] <zalluth> yes, work, but not in fullscreen game
[11:15] <seb128> we should fix that in GNOME rather than adding a new source?
[11:16] <zalluth> but, the control of keyboard when playing fullscreen game like fretsonfire is not under gnome control
[11:16] <seb128> ok, it's a topic I don't know about enough to comment, I will let other pick it up rather ;-)
[11:20] <zalluth> just install it, create file configuration, and set esekeyd parameter to load the configuration.. So, everything works, but I do not get any volume change notification, just the volume changes..
[11:21] <rodrigo_> need to run some errands and then lunch, so be back in a couple of hours or so
[11:22] <zalluth> I don't understand
[11:22] <pitti> dpm: langpack updates hit unapproved, accepting now
[11:22] <pitti> dpm: so is now a good time for checking "Request a full language pack export"?
[11:22] <pitti> dpm: these will start Thursday night, so that I can build on Friday?
[11:23] <pitti> dpm: disabling oneiric cronjob now
[11:24] <pitti> dpm: -base export requested
[11:24] <seb128> zalluth, what do you don't understand?
[11:24] <pitti> ... eek, or not: causes an LP crash
[11:25] <jasoncwarner_> hey guys...
[11:25] <jasoncwarner_> anyone know what is going on with this bug?
[11:25] <jasoncwarner_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client-gnome/+bug/865105
[11:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865105 in ubuntuone-client-gnome "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_unref() in any folder with Ubuntu One location widget (dup-of: 865567)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[11:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865567 in ubuntuone-client-gnome/stable-2-0 "ubuntuone-client-gnome needs to install gsettings schemas" [Critical,In progress]
[11:25] <jasoncwarner_> pedro_: ^^
[11:25] <didrocks> yes
[11:25] <dpm> pitti, ack on approving langpack delta updates, thanks! Now is a good time (assuming the crash can be worked around ;) to request the export. The export will happen on Thursday 9:00 UTC, and it should be ready for langpack-o-matic to pick up on Fri at 9:00 as scheduled
[11:25] <seb128> hey jasoncwarner_
[11:25] <pitti> dpm: cool, thanks
[11:26] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: seb128 assigned to dobey yesterday IIRC
[11:26] <jasoncwarner_> hey seb128 !
[11:26] <zalluth> I don't know how to write script to detect currently active ubuntu session in my pc..
[11:26] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, what do you want to know? it's new from the ubuntuone-client-gnome update they did yesterday, dobey said he would look at it once he got his laptop to start again, he was hitting an upstart? issue
[11:26] <pedro_> jasoncwarner_, hello, master is assigned to dobey , bug 865567
[11:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865567 in ubuntuone-client-gnome/stable-2-0 "ubuntuone-client-gnome needs to install gsettings schemas" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865567
[11:26] <dpm> pitti, could you request the full export eventually, or do we need to talk to the LP guys?
[11:26] <pitti> dpm: worked now
[11:26] <jasoncwarner_> seb128 pedro_ didrocks
[11:26] <jasoncwarner_> thanks
[11:26] <dpm> pitti, ok, seems all sorted then.
[11:27] <jasoncwarner_> just saw it was dupe (apport took me to duplicate and not master)
[11:27] <jasoncwarner_> really breaks nautilus! ;)
[11:27] <seb128> it does...
[11:27] <seb128> go u1 go!
[11:28] <zalluth> I don't know how to write script to detect currently active ubuntu session in my pc..
[11:28] <seb128> zalluth, what do you call "currently active ubuntu session"? what do you try to do?
[11:29] <zalluth> I want to send him the volume change using libnotify
[11:29] <zalluth> I want to send him the volume change notification using libnotify
[11:32] <seb128> zalluth, try #ubuntu for user questions, but using notify-send should work without having to know the session
[11:34] <zalluth> my script runs under esekeyd daemon
[11:34] <seb128> try asking on #ubuntu
[11:35] <seb128> sorry that channel is rather focussing on fixing oneiric integration issues
[11:36] <zalluth> okay
[11:37] <mvo> rodrigo_: the dpms issue is fixed now, thanks for the updated pkgs
[11:56] <seb128> mvo, thanks for bootstrapping the fix and discussion ;-)
[12:09] <mdeslaur> seb128: FYI, I commited a fix for the screen locking issue to bzr...there was already another fix there, so I didn't upload it
[12:09] <seb128> mdeslaur, ok, rodrigo_ will do uploads today still I think
[12:10] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks for working on it, though I'm not sure the fix is right, but we can discuss that at UDS
[12:10] <seb128> mdeslaur, i.e not sure what our screen locking policy should be, when to lock and for what user (i.e do we log for autologged users as well?)
[12:11] <mdeslaur> seb128: I've recreated the behaviour of previous ubuntu releases
[12:12] <seb128> mdeslaur, ok, good for Oneiric, still I think we should discuss what behaviour we want, not sure it makes sense to lock the screen for home users who don't want to enter passwords, i.e those using autologin with no keyring password for example
[12:13] <mdeslaur> seb128: yes, I agree about that. A lot of things need to be fixed for that to be changed though, not just gnome-settings-daemon
[12:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, right, that's why I suggest we discuss it at UDS ;-)
[12:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: what was the right way to name a backport? 1:3.4.3-3ubuntu2~natty1?
[12:29] <pitti> Sweetshark: yes, that looks fine
[13:02] <mvo> seb128: yw
[13:05] <dobey> didrocks: there is some migration thing in unity?
[13:06] <didrocks> dobey: there is, but I don't think we should migrate desktop because whatever app wanted to rename their desktop files
[13:07] <dobey> didrocks: we have to migrate the .desktop files. it's not because we renamed, it's beacause we replaced the app
[13:09] <didrocks> dobey: yeah, but we would have to do that for every applications in the universe if they decide to rename themselve. Being by default doesn't change much
[13:09] <didrocks> dobey: new installs get the new .desktop file
[13:09] <dobey> didrocks: no, just the ones by default
[13:09] <dobey> universe is ignorable
[13:09] <didrocks> well, I don't agree, people don't remember if it's by default or not
[13:09] <dobey> we do
[13:09] <dobey> which is why we have to fix it
[13:10] <didrocks> dobey: provide a patch, it can be in a SRU
[13:11] <dobey> patch to where?
[13:11] <didrocks> dobey: unity
[13:11] <didrocks> you need to update unity, unity-2d
[13:12] <seb128> or keep your ubuntuone-client-gnome hack...
[13:12] <dobey> didrocks: so i'm curious; what exactly do you think *should* be migrated?
[13:12] <seb128> though I don't like much having other component to edit the unity keys
[13:12] <dobey> the ubuntuone-client-gnome hack is a horrible hack, and gsettings insanity makes me want to do that even less
[13:13] <didrocks> I don't think a shell should migrate every apps who wants to change a desktop file somewhere…
[13:13] <DBO> seb128, didrocks, migrating the keys while unity is running wont work either
[13:13] <seb128> didrocks, it's not every application, it's the default config ones
[13:13] <dobey> didrocks: that isn't what i asked. i asked what you think migration is useful for :)
[13:13] <didrocks> DBO: yeah, that's what I commented on the posts
[13:14] <didrocks> seb128: well, ayway, it's really late and risky for finale
[13:14] <seb128> didrocks, it's like if your firefox launcher vanished on update because firefox renamed their .desktop
[13:14] <dobey> didrocks: you wrote a migration script, so clearly you think there is some reason to have it
[13:14] <didrocks> dobey: yeah, because we migrated .desktop file from gnome-panel, other docks, netbook-launcher to unity
[13:14] <dobey> seb128: which they used to do; firefox-3.0, firefox-4.0, firefox; and evolution too :)
[13:15] <didrocks> I don't tell it shouldn't be done, it should have been raised way before
[13:15] <didrocks> now, I find it late and risky
[13:15] <seb128> yeah, agreed
[13:15] <seb128> it's a really issue though for upgraders :-(
[13:15] <seb128> not that I have a good solution
[13:15] <didrocks> that can be a SRU though if the u1 team provide the patch
[13:19] <pitti> rodrigo_: gnome-desktop3 upload claims to fix bug 863038, but you moved that to gnome-screensaver
[13:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863038 in gnome-screensaver "If turnoff the screen setting set to 'never' screen turns off instantly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863038
[13:19] <dobey> where is the launcher code anyway?
[13:19] <pitti> rodrigo_: shall I move the task to gnome-desktop3, or do we also need a screensaver fix?
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, it's the wrong bug reference
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, it fixes bug #862139
[13:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862139 in gnome-control-center "xset q reports DPMS mode with time 600 regardless of what g-c-c setting" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862139
[13:20] <pitti> ah
[13:20] <pitti> rodrigo_: ^ want to reupload, or close manually?
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, we got quite some recent screen and power issues mixed
[13:21]  * mpt growls at Ubuntu suspending when the power settings say otherwise
[13:21] <didrocks> dobey: the migration code is in unity/tools
[13:22] <didrocks> dobey: you need to timestamp unity and unity-2d with a release version to trigger the upgrade
[13:22] <seb128> mpt, does it still do it with today's updated and session restarted?
[13:22] <dobey> didrocks: i see that, but where is the actual launcher code?
[13:22] <mpt> seb128, ah, I haven't restarted since
[13:23] <seb128> mpt, ok, I'm really interested to know if you still get it with the current versions on a restart session
[13:23] <pitti> rodrigo_: anyway, accepting and closing manually
[13:23] <seb128> mpt, it's supposed to be fixed but we didn't get lot of feedback yet on the update and some of the feedback makes it unclear if users had their session restarted or not
[13:23] <mpt> seb128, I'd restart my computer for you any time
[13:23] <seb128> mpt, ;-)
[13:24] <seb128> mpt, thanks ;-)
[13:25] <didrocks> dobey: plugins/unityshell/src/Launcher.cpp
[13:25] <didrocks> dobey: dobey but I guess you search rather for plugins/unityshell/src/LauncherModel.cpp
[13:25] <didrocks> plugins/unityshell/src/LauncherEntryRemoteModel.cpp
[13:26] <didrocks> and plugins/unityshell/src/FavoriteStoreGSettings.cpp
[13:26] <dobey> i don't see a plugins/unitypanel in trunk
[13:26] <pitti> eh, what happened to http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop ?
[13:26] <pitti> seb128: ^ do you know?
[13:26] <dobey> but yes, shell is probably what i want, thanks
[13:26] <didrocks> dobey: see the above linkes, I didn't wrote unitypanel
[13:27] <seb128> pitti, urg, it was there yesterday evening
[13:28] <dobey> didrocks: sure; i just figure if i'm going to patch it, i might as well do it right and add the g_settings_bind() so the launcher updates when the config changes
[13:28] <mpt> So, aheh, Ubuntu froze on shutdown
[13:28] <didrocks> dobey: that's a feature that would be great, indeed :)
[13:29] <mpt> seb128, I guess the only way to test the suspend problem is not to touch it for an hour and see if it doesn't happen?
[13:29] <seb128> mpt, right, so next time you will go for lunch, dinner, sleep, that sort of things ;-)
[13:30] <cyphermox> dobey: re: your system with "Networking disabled", can you tell me what type of install you used? ubiquity or d-i?
[13:31] <dobey> what is d-i?
[13:31] <mpt> seb128, aww, I thought you were going to give me an excuse to slack off
[13:31] <cyphermox> debian-installer, as in, the alternate cd :)
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, right, we need that tested today, you need to take an hour work break NOW! ;-)
[13:32] <seb128> does anyone have a copy of the etherpad content?
[13:32] <dobey> cyphermox: i installed 11.04 from a flash drive with ubiquity, and later upgraded to oneiric with update-manager -d
[13:32] <cyphermox> dobey: ok
[13:32] <seb128> pitti, hum, and pad.ubuntu.com doesn't have the timeline widget
[13:32] <dobey> cyphermox: and network was working fine until i did an apt-get upgrade yesterday
[13:32] <cyphermox> dobey: installed long ago?
[13:32] <seb128> pitti, i.e no way to go back in revisions
[13:32] <dobey> yes
[13:32] <cyphermox> heh
[13:33] <cyphermox> dobey: you still getting networking disabled or did you work around it?
[13:34] <dobey> cyphermox: i don't know how to work around it
[13:34] <dobey> well, other than re-installing 11.04
[13:35] <cyphermox> dobey: ok; well you can check what's in /etc/network/interfaces and /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state, maybe paste those and I can look
[13:35] <dobey> which i should probably do on that machine anyway
[13:35] <cyphermox> fwiw I re-tested upgrade from 11.04 last week on my system with a bunch of different network settings in NM and it all worked
[13:39] <dobey> i don't think it's an upgrade issue
[13:46] <didrocks> dobey: I have another solution thinking about it
[13:46] <didrocks> dobey: there is a dbus signal to add a .desktop file to the launcher
[13:47] <seb128> bryceh, RAOF, pitti, rodrigo_: bug #865957
[13:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865957 in gnome-control-center "the system info tab needs glxinfo to get the video card infos (not installed by default)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865957
[13:47] <seb128> is there any reason we don't install mesa-utils by default?
[13:47] <seb128> or any reason to not install it?
[13:47] <pitti> seb128: nothing depends on it
[13:47] <seb128> pitti, would it be fine to make g-c-c recommends it?
[13:47] <pitti> no other particular reason from what I can see
[13:47] <pitti> seb128: sure
[13:47] <seb128> ok
[13:47] <seb128> thanks
[13:47] <pitti> it's 30 kB
[13:50] <dobey> didrocks: oh?
[13:50] <didrocks> dobey: let me check if someone touched my code
[13:53] <didrocks> yes, it still works :)
[13:54] <didrocks> dobey: so com.canonical.Unity.Launcher, /com/canonical/Unity/Launcher, iface com.canonical.Unity.Launcher, Method AddLauncherItemFromPosition()
[13:54] <didrocks> dobey: parameters likes ("", "", 0,0,0,"/usr/share/applications/kiki.desktop","") should work
[13:54] <didrocks> (if kiki.desktop is installed of course)
[13:55] <desrt> mterry: where's my refund?!
[13:55] <dobey> eh i don't like that so much :)
[13:55] <desrt> deja dup sucks!!
[13:55] <didrocks> dobey: why?
[13:55] <mvo> didrocks: oh, that works? will icons fly in and everything?
[13:55] <didrocks> mvo: nop, it's still what I did for natty, nobody touched it
[13:55] <mterry> desrt, what happened?
[13:55] <didrocks> mvo: hence the dummy data
[13:55] <dobey> didrocks: changes the ordering
[13:55]  * desrt just had a thought-that-file-was-attached-to-bugzilla incident
[13:55] <mvo> aha, ok
[13:55] <mvo> I thought I missed something :)
[13:56] <desrt> "oh.. i can safely delete all this stuff"
[13:56] <didrocks> dobey: it doesn't, it should add it last
[13:56] <rodrigo_> pitti, keep the gnome-scrrensaver task open, it needs a fix there
[13:56] <didrocks> mvo: nobody worked on it, it's just adding it to the end
[13:56] <desrt> mterry: deja dup doesn't have the old version because i only wrote the file yesterday :p
[13:56]  * desrt demands CONTINUOUS periodic backups
[13:56] <dobey> didrocks: right, and if the old control-panel .desktop was somewhere else, it "randomly moved" from the user's POV
[13:56] <mterry> desrt, don't scare me!  11.10 goes out in 8 days!  :)
[13:56] <desrt> :)
[13:56] <didrocks> dobey: better than getting nothing, isn't it? :)
[13:57] <mterry> desrt, I do have open feature requests for continuous/hourly backups.  Not on the roadmap now though.  Would be neat, if it could be very resource unintensive
[13:57] <rodrigo_> pitti, ah, it's still in progress, so forget my comment
[13:57] <desrt> mterry: i more or less don't notice when my backups are happening
[13:58] <dobey> didrocks: well if it has to wait for SRU, people are going to get nothing on upgrade anyway, unless they wait until after the SRU, so might as well do it right, instead of just doing it quick
[13:58] <desrt> backup-to-home-server is a pretty big win
[13:58] <didrocks> dobey: well, the dbus call was to enable you a quick patch that can sneak in finale
[13:59] <mterry> desrt, excellent, the less obtrusive, the better
[13:59] <desrt> mterry: anyway.. deja dup has done one thing that no other piece of software has been able to do thus far
[13:59] <desrt> it turned me into a backup-er
[13:59] <desrt> was never able to stick with it before... but now i have been daily since about august now
[14:00] <desrt> so thanks :)
[14:00] <mterry> desrt, love it.  :)  That's why I made DD
[14:01]  * desrt was actually kinda hoping that yesterday's daily backup was in the middle of his working on these files.  hrmph :/
[14:01] <desrt> oh well.  no huge loss
[14:09] <jdstrand> seb128: hey, so have you been getting a lot more but reports for compiz crashes and unity issues after the lastest updates? I'm seeing them quite a bit more :\ (and reporting them)
[14:11] <mdeslaur> I've been getting crazy compiz crashes for the past two days, but every single one of them couldn't be reported because of an outdated package...(seriously apport, tzdata?)
[14:13] <cyphermox> seb128: don't you have the undo button for the pad?
[14:13] <seb128> (no)
[14:13] <seb128> (sorry on the phone)
[14:13] <seb128> (bbl)
[14:13] <cyphermox> ok
[14:14] <didrocks> jdstrand: do you have bug # of the latest reported ones?
[14:14] <jdstrand> bug #867513
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 867513 in unity "evolution loses window decorations after unmaximizing" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867513
[14:14] <jdstrand> let me get the compiz one I reported
[14:16] <jdstrand> dang it, this happened to me yesterday. I reported 2 compiz bugs, then they disappeared :\
[14:16]  * jdstrand looks more
[14:18] <didrocks> smspillaz: didn't you fix something similar on yesterday's version? ^
[14:18] <jdstrand> bug #865822 (marked as duplicate)
[14:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865822 in nux "compiz crashed with SIGABRT in raise() (dup-of: 863303)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865822
[14:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863303 in unity "compiz assert failure: *** glibc detected *** compiz: free(): corrupted unsorted chunks: 0x0000000004a1d390 ***" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863303
[14:19] <jdstrand> bug #865675 (marked as dupe)
[14:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 865675 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast() (dup-of: 862972)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865675
[14:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862972 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862972
[14:19] <jdstrand> so I guess it isn't just me :)
[14:20] <jdstrand> I've not checked all my bug email yet today, which is why I missed those. sorry for the noise
[14:20] <smspillaz> didrocks: yes
[14:20] <smspillaz> didrocks: hang on
[14:20] <smspillaz> didrocks: it was in unity
[14:20] <didrocks> ah
[14:20] <jdstrand> between those 3 bugs, I have been having a lot of unity issues, so wanted to make sure someone knew about them, and it seems so :)
[14:21]  * jdstrand starts being quiet now
[14:21] <didrocks> jdstrand: so, once you get 4.22 (it's in UNAPPROVED right now), can you please update and update the status on bug #862231, please?
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862231 in unity "Compiz Window Decorator fails on Evolution Compose New Email" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862231
[14:21] <smspillaz> https://code.launchpad.net/~smspillaz/unity/unity.maybe_fix_861143
[14:21] <didrocks> smspillaz: can you check the other crash, please?
[14:22] <jdstrand> didrocks: sure thing
[14:22] <smspillaz> didrocks: that's the UnlockRect one
[14:22] <smspillaz> didrocks: jason fixed that in trunk
[14:22] <smspillaz> (unity)
[14:22] <smspillaz> bit confusing when all of the reports are crashing on the same first frame, heh
[14:24] <didrocks> jdstrand: great, you should be able to close them as well with the new compiz/unity couple coming today :)
[14:24] <didrocks> thanks smspillaz
[14:24] <jdstrand> awesome. I look forward to it :)
[14:26] <didrocks> mpt: oh, windows8 has this "app remembering state" you discussed and blogged about a year ago
[14:26] <mpt> didrocks, so does Mac OS X 10.7
[14:26] <didrocks> mpt: it has as well the "autosync settings" that I planned for OneConf one year and half ago :/
[14:26] <didrocks> mpt: oh really?
[14:27] <kenvandine> mpt, of course they read your blog to plan future releases :)
[14:27]  * kenvandine would 
[14:27] <mpt> kenvandine, yeah, and the auto-save is from something I wrote in 2001
[14:28] <mpt> (Seriously, though, they're both old ideas, going back to the 1980s)
[14:29] <kenvandine> yet we don't have them... :/
[14:30] <mpt> That's because they aren't security-/server-related, and it's less than a decade since the competition got them
[14:32] <mpt> And more specifically for those two, because they require clever API design to make them easy for application developers to adopt.
[14:35] <didrocks> indeed
[14:44] <ejat> didrocks : r u here?
[14:44] <didrocks> ejat: yes
[14:45] <ejat> didrocks : bug 859632
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 859632 in compiz-plugins-main "package compiz-plugins-main-default 1:0.9.5.94 bzr20110919-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/compiz/grid.xml', which is also in package compiz-plugins 1:0.9.4 bzr20110606-0ubuntu1~natty2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859632
[14:45] <ejat> fix released .. but im having issue upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10
[14:45] <didrocks> ejat: when did you upgrade? I pushed another fix yesterday morning
[14:46] <didrocks> ejat: do you have the bug report about it?
[14:46] <ejat> yesterday .. owh ok .. but now .. im trying to get my other machine to get internet so that i can retry
[14:47] <ejat> xdiagnose package ?
[14:47] <didrocks> ejat: you should use do-release-upgrade or update-manager for ubuntu, it won't stuck you on things like that
[14:47] <didrocks> ejat: the xdiagnose overwrite is totally not related
[14:47] <didrocks> RAOF fixed it yesterday
[14:49] <ejat> trying to overwrite …… , which is also in package x11-common 1:7.6+4ubuntu3.1
[14:50] <seb128> re
[14:50] <ejat> trying to overwrite ……/source_xorg.py , which is also in package x11-common 1:7.6+4ubuntu3.1
[14:50] <seb128> jdstrand, sorry I was in ca all, I see that didrocks replied to you, but yeah basically see with all updates from today what issues remain
[14:50] <jdstrand> seb128: yep, thanks :)
[14:51] <seb128> cyphermox, "undo", no, I asked #is
[14:52] <ejat> didrocks ?
[14:52] <didrocks> ejat: did you look at my answer above?
[14:52] <didrocks> 16:47:27       didrocks | ejat: the xdiagnose overwrite is totally not related
[14:53] <didrocks> 16:47:31       didrocks | RAOF fixed it yesterday
[14:53] <ejat> i see .. not related ..
[14:53]  * ejat retrying updating n upgrade back .. but if its not related … then how could the error occurs :( with that statement
[14:54] <ejat> should i manual remove xdiagnose for temp then reinstall it back later
[14:55] <rye> rodrigo, hi, so, re: dpms clearing fix, i was following it quite closely, and it is not complete without subsequent fixes in gnome-desktop3 and gnome-settings-daemon release
[14:55] <cyphermox> seb128: I was asking because here I had an undo button, but it doesn't do anything... probably just undoes my own changes
[14:55] <rye> well, gnome-settings daemon patch
[14:55] <rodrigo_> rye, yes I know
[14:55] <rodrigo_>  the g-s-d and g-c-c parts are coming
[14:55] <rodrigo_>  and the patch in gnome-desktop3 package is functionality-equivalent
[14:55] <rodrigo_>  there are people that have tested it and confirmed fixing
[14:55] <seb128> right
[14:58] <pitti> need to leave, good night everyone!
[14:58] <pitti> seb128: thanks in advance for running the meeting
[14:58] <pitti> (sorry, have an appointment this evening)
[14:58] <seb128> pitti, yw!
[14:58] <seb128> pitti, see you later ;-)
[14:59] <didrocks> ejat: overwrite is a dpkg error when two packages can try to unpack the same file, if you are not technical enough in dpkg, please using do-release-upgrade or update-manager to make a distribution upgrade
[14:59] <didrocks> have a good night pitti
[15:03] <seb128> bah, running mumble screwed my stacking
[15:03] <seb128> i.e unity launcher and alt-tab got stacked at the bottom, i.e under everything else
[15:08] <didrocks> this is fixed in compiz
[15:08] <didrocks> but the patch is huge
[15:09] <didrocks> I didn't take it in purpose, prefer SRU
[15:09] <seb128> ok
[15:09] <seb128> well I didn't have it a long time
[15:10] <seb128> I wonder if that's coincidence or if that's due to qt ;-)
[15:10] <seb128> I use a qt application every 2 weeks and when I do it breaks my compiz :p
[15:10] <seb128> compiz hates qt? ;-)
[15:11] <didrocks> seb128: no, it seems it's because the app show and hide and then show again
[15:11] <didrocks> (that's what I understood from the code)
[15:11] <seb128> ok
[15:11] <didrocks> but well, I prefer to be prudent with stacking fixes, we all know how this goes :)
[15:11] <seb128> indeed ;-)
[15:18] <desrt> seb128: hey
[15:18] <desrt> seb128: what's the compiler flag that causes the linker to establish direct references to symbols within a particular .so (as determined at link time)?
[15:18] <desrt> thought it was -Bdirect or something like that, but i can't find it
[15:20] <james_w> -Bsymbolic?
[15:20] <desrt> that's only for intra-library symbols when building a shared lib
[15:20] <desrt> i'm thinking about references between libraries or an app and a library
[15:21] <seb128> desrt, -Bsymbolic-functions ?
[15:21] <desrt> same.
[15:22] <rodrigo_> hmm, when's the deadline for normal uploads?
[15:22] <rodrigo_> "normal" != SRUs
[15:22] <desrt> maybe i should ask mmeeks
[15:22] <desrt> i think he's the one that added it, for openoffice
[15:23] <didrocks> rodrigo_: pitti told that RC are fine until today IIRC, then, it's really "omg, I broke everything" I guess :)
[15:23] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ok
[15:23] <rodrigo_> I'll do a g-c-c upload now then
[15:24] <didrocks> yeah, the sooner, the better :)
[15:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, today
[15:24] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you include the recommends on mesa-utils,
[15:24] <seb128> ?
[15:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, if you do one
[15:24] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, it's in already
[15:25] <seb128> desrt, dunno then
[15:25] <desrt> seb128: thanks
[15:25] <rodrigo_> I was asking to see if I should wait for some more fixes, but yeah, I'll upload this one which has also a fix from jbicha
[15:25] <desrt> seb128: ah.  it *is* -Bdirect.  looks like it didn't make it upstream, though
[15:28] <seb128> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting in 2 minutes
[15:29] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:29]  * kenvandine waves
[15:29] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <seb128> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: hey
[15:30] <Sweetshark> o/
[15:30] <cyphermox> hey!
[15:30] <rodrigo_> hi :)
[15:30] <mterry> heyo
[15:30]  * pedro_ waves
[15:30] <seb128> pitti had to run so I'm leading today ;-)
[15:30] <tremolux> hey!
[15:30] <seb128> I hope everybody is doing great
[15:30] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-10-04
[15:30] <seb128> let's get started
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, do you have anything for the partners update?
[15:31] <kenvandine> nopr
[15:32] <kenvandine> just planning stuff now
[15:32] <seb128> ok
[15:32] <seb128> is there any question for kenvandine?
[15:33]  * Sweetshark just sneaked in some changes in the weekly summary.
[15:33] <seb128> dobey, how is the gsettings missing schemas for ubuntuone-client-gnome going?
[15:33] <seb128> Sweetshark, great ;-)
[15:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, I just saw a branch from him, so I guess it's fixed
[15:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, nice to read
[15:33] <seb128> that bug is annoying
[15:33] <didrocks> (a lot of french people on the forum finds oneiric not usable because of the nautilus crash in ubuntuone-client-gnome)
[15:34] <didrocks> so easy to please them :-)
[15:34] <seb128> pedro_ is playing dupdupdup on the nautilus bugs
[15:34] <kenvandine> glad it is getting fixed
[15:34] <seb128> thanks kenvandine ;-)
[15:34] <didrocks> seb128: well, he can justify his pay :-p
[15:34] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:34] <seb128> didrocks, hey, I see the unity summary is on the wiki, anything else to add?
[15:35] <pedro_> yeah , i've also wrote a pattern for those
[15:35] <didrocks> not really, still on upload churns (justifying my pay as well :p), but hopefully it's over now with latest unity in unapproved (hint hint for any release team member). Then, can finally start planning :)
[15:35] <pedro_> but sadly not all the bugs there were submitted with apport :-/
[15:35] <seb128> pedro_, yeah, seems apport doesn't trigger sometimes
[15:35] <seb128> didrocks, \o/
[15:36] <didrocks> seb128: I'll \o/ once I'm sure it's finished :-)
[15:36] <kenvandine> didrocks, do you know if there is a plan to fix the window controls when the dash is showing?
[15:36] <didrocks> over*
[15:36] <seb128> didrocks, btw do you know if dx is working on a 0 day sru?
[15:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: hum? which bugs exactly?
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, define fix? the look you mean?
[15:36] <kenvandine> look
[15:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: the window controls when the dash is showing is on purpose
[15:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: clicking on close/maximize/restore acts on the dash
[15:36] <kenvandine> yeah, but they aren't the ones you get for windows
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, DBO said they look exactly how design designed those
[15:37] <seb128> kenvandine, i.e design issue and not a bug
[15:37] <didrocks> kenvandine: design decision, for not mixing with a potential maximized window underneath
[15:37] <kenvandine> and they look terrible, i think DBO said they are that way because design hasn't given them something final
[15:37] <kenvandine> looks horrible... but oh well
[15:37] <didrocks> but it won't be changed now
[15:37] <seb128> kenvandine, well they still didn't it seems then...
[15:37] <seb128> kenvandine, but I agree with the sentiment, it doesn't look good
[15:38] <seb128> didrocks, do you have any date estimation for the first SRU otherwise?
[15:38] <seb128> didrocks, next week?
[15:38] <didrocks> seb128: re SRU0 > I setup a list for that, some part of dx is in meetings for the week, trying to get some traction so that they start fixing for SRU
[15:38] <didrocks> seb128: hoping to get something for the release day then, which can go to -proposed
[15:38] <seb128> ok, great
[15:38] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[15:38] <seb128> is there any other questions for didrocks?
[15:38] <didrocks> at least, we have quite some compiz fix that I really want as SRU, not emergency push as dangerous :)
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, you can probably already upload to proposed ;-)
[15:39] <seb128> those will sit there for a bit though
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128: well, seeing the number of commits already going, I prefer to batch them :)
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, or maybe use the ppa for pre-sru testing, but not now, let's focus on testing oneiric first :p
[15:40] <didrocks> yeah
[15:40] <DBO> kenvandine, no
[15:40] <didrocks> that's my gut feeling :)
[15:40] <DBO> I said they are entirely accurate renderings of the design resources provided
[15:41] <kenvandine> DBO, ok... :)
[15:41] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[15:41] <didrocks> yw seb128
[15:41] <seb128> tremolux, hey
[15:41] <seb128> tremolux, I see the s-c update on the wiki as well ;-)
[15:41] <tremolux> heyyy seb128
[15:41] <DBO> kenvandine, basically I am telling you to go ask your mother
[15:41] <seb128> congrats on 5.0
[15:42] <seb128> didrocks, congrats on getting oneconf in Oneric as well ;-)
[15:42] <didrocks> \o/
[15:42] <tremolux> seb128: thanks! I don't know why, but it's very exciting when we bump the version for release
[15:42] <seb128> hehe
[15:42] <tremolux> yeah didrocks!
[15:42] <didrocks> (for this one, I can do it ;))
[15:42] <seb128> tremolux, how do you feel about the current version?
[15:42] <didrocks> thanks to tremolux and mvo for their support :-)
[15:42] <seb128> on track for Oneiric?
[15:42] <didrocks> (and all awesome s-c team!)
[15:42] <tremolux> didrocks: thanks didrocks!
[15:42] <tremolux> seb128: yes, I like it a lot, I hope everybody does
[15:43] <tremolux> seb128: I think it's on track, yes
[15:43] <seb128> how is the bug state? do you expect other fixes still?
[15:43] <tremolux> seb128: I don't see anything terrible, but we do have fixes
[15:43] <tremolux> seb128: we have a 5.0.1 in the works in trunk
[15:43] <seb128> ok, fixes are always good, if they don't make it stable they will be in a SRU ;-)
[15:44] <tremolux> seb128: sounds good :)
[15:44] <seb128> thanks tremolux
[15:44] <seb128> is there any s-c,oneconf question?
[15:44] <tremolux> thx seb128
[15:45] <rye> interesting. kenvandine re: buttons - if you click "minimize" long enough it becomes white
[15:45] <seb128> seems not, let's move on
[15:46] <seb128> well I think there is not a lot to add, please keep fixing rc bugs and testing Oneiric
[15:46] <seb128> we are doing good but not great yet, still a few bugs to fix ;-)
[15:46] <seb128> then time for next cycle planning (feel free to join on the list I feel alone with my emails :p) and SRU
[15:47] <seb128> ok, any other topic,comment,...?
[15:47] <seb128> oh one from me
[15:47] <seb128> whoever whiped the etherpad, could you undo :p
[15:47] <seb128> i.e http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop is empty :--
[15:47] <seb128> :-(
[15:48] <seb128> did anyone save a copy recently?
[15:48] <kenvandine> ugh
[15:48] <mterry> :(
[15:48] <rodrigo_> oh :(
[15:48] <seb128> I've opened a rt and asked IS if we can get it back or the "time slider" feature activated
[15:48] <didrocks> I didn't save a local copy, is has no regular snapshot?
[15:48] <seb128> but I'm not sure we will be able to get it back
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> google cache?
[15:49] <seb128> doesn't seem to be in google
[15:49] <seb128> ok, no comment, that's a wrap then
[15:49] <seb128> thanks everybody
[15:50] <didrocks> thanks everyone
[15:50] <pedro_> thanks!
[15:51] <tremolux> thanks all!
[15:51] <micahg> seb128: any firefox/thunderbird things need to be looked at?
[15:52] <didrocks> seems we can undo http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop as well :/
[15:53] <rye> seb128, http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/ubuntu-desktop/latest
[15:53] <seb128> rye, \o/
[15:53] <didrocks> great ;)
[15:53] <seb128> thanks, how did you find the url?
[15:54] <rye> seb128, analyzed http://sync.in
[15:59] <didrocks> mvo: your version for update-notifier + indicator is in oneiric, isn't it?
[15:59] <didrocks> hum, no, it's not
[16:02] <mvo> didrocks: its nt, but I think its good, I'm using it on two machine for ~4 days or so now
[16:02] <mvo> didrocks: alternatively we can upload it to -prposed right away
[16:03] <didrocks> mvo: yeah, looks good. Anyway, the tracking part is done (the update-notifier is showing in unity, indicator or not) and there is no more icon bug
[16:03] <didrocks> SRU sounds good if needed :)
[16:05] <seb128> sport, bbl
[16:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, have fun :)
[16:24] <mvo> didrocks: so unity is also fixed?
[16:28] <dobey> seb128: hey, was at lunch. my schemas fix is landed in trunk, so i just need to do a backport to the stable-2-0 branch and brown bag it
[16:30] <didrocks> mvo: the big icon? yeah, since last release
[16:30] <dobey> seb128: there aren't any other crazy urgent things we need to fix in ubuntuone-client-gnome are there? :)
[16:34] <dobey> gah i wish people would stop speculating and saying "i get this too" on bugs. so annoying
[16:40] <achiang> does anyone know if the email part of evolution can be run as a daemon? the only point really, would be to monitor the remote imap server and display notifications?
[16:40] <achiang> hm, found this: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18802/
[16:44] <dobey> achiang: you can open the window off-screen
[16:45] <achiang> dobey: but the idea is that i don't want the overhead of evo running at all times
[16:45] <achiang> just some lightweight polling thingy
[16:45] <dobey> achiang: alternatively, you could use one of the millions of other tiny scripts which simply polls an imap server and notifies you
[16:46] <dobey> achiang: you won't get it with evolution or thunderbird.
[16:46] <achiang> dobey: yeah... anything that hooks into indicator-messages already?
[16:46] <davidcalle> achiang, https://launchpad.net/unity-mail
[16:46] <achiang> shiny
[16:46] <achiang> thanks davidcalle
[16:46] <dobey> that and i guess gmail-notifier
[16:47] <dobey> and it wouldn't be hard to convert some of the gnomeish ones to use indicator
[16:47] <achiang> nod, ok
[16:48] <achiang> lots of solutions, it seems
[16:48] <achiang> just not necessarily with evo
[16:49] <dobey> because mail is not a part of evolution-data-server
[16:49] <dobey> so it's not easy to do
[16:49] <dobey> and evolution itself already has indicator support
[16:50]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:02] <achiang> dobey: thanks
[17:17] <seb128> dobey, no other urgent fixes that I know about no ;-)
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, having fun? ;)
[17:18] <dobey> seb128: i'm sure something will come up while i'm asleep tonight ;)
[17:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[17:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "sort of" ;-)
[17:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are your holidays?
[17:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you make me think I forgot to reply to micahg who asked if there was anything that needed to be done for firefox or tb
[17:20] <seb128> micahg, hey, sorry I started looking at my email and bugs to reply and got pinged and forgot while I was doing ... thanks for asking but not that I know
[17:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I thought you weren't going to have internet :)
[17:20] <micahg> seb128: ok, I'll do a bugs sweep later as well
[17:21] <micahg> seb128: re: glew1.5, I guess the transition isn't happening this cycle
[17:22] <seb128> micahg, right, dx dropped the ball on that...
[17:22] <micahg> ok, I don't feel so bad about not transitioning the universe packages then :)
[17:23] <micahg> I assume you want that to happen for P though?
[17:28] <seb128> if possible yes
[17:28] <seb128> brb
[17:29]  * Sweetshark is off for the night
[17:30] <seb128> ups
[17:31] <micahg> seb128: is it worth me setting up to transition for it in the tracker? (not hard)
[17:33] <seb128> micahg, next cycle sure, I'm not sure if setting it now would be confusing though?
[17:33] <seb128> i.e are people still looking at it for oneiric?
[17:33] <micahg> yeah, I'll hold off until after release
[17:33] <seb128> thanks
[17:58] <dobey> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntuone-client-gnome/missing-schemas/+merge/78132
[18:00] <kenvandine> dobey, seb128, i can sponsor that
[18:01] <dobey> kenvandine: just get it in so people will stop saying "omg! like, me too!" on bugs
[18:02] <kenvandine> dobey, will do :)
[18:03] <dobey> i hope it works anyway. rye said it does. i don't trust gsettings
[18:04] <rye> dobey, where can i see the package branch for it that installs the files too?
[18:04] <rye> schema files
[18:04] <dobey> rye: the link i just pasted
[18:05] <dobey> rye: if you mean nightlies, you'll have to wait :)
[18:06] <seb128> dobey, kenvandine, thanks
[18:08] <rye> dobey, no, dh_install: ubuntuone-client-gnome missing files (debian/*/user/share/glib-*/schemas/*), aborting
[18:08] <rye> dobey, /user/
[18:08] <kenvandine> np
[18:08] <dobey> god i am an idiot
[18:08]  * kenvandine waits for dobey to resubmit
[18:08] <kenvandine> :)
[18:09] <dobey> kenvandine: fix is pushed
[18:09] <dobey> r8
[18:09] <kenvandine> :)
[18:28] <kenvandine> dobey, uploaded
[18:29] <dobey> kenvandine: thanks
[18:31] <kenvandine> np
[18:37] <kenvandine> vuntz, thanks for the patch!
[18:38] <kenvandine> vuntz, and the bug about the NEWS file makes me cry a little bit... I always give tedg grief about not updating his NEWS files... then I go and do the same thing!
[18:38] <kenvandine> vuntz, sorry about that, I will be sure to do that :)
[18:44] <dobey> seb128: btw, what happened with my patch to glib2.0?
[18:44] <seb128> dobey, didn't get sponsored yet
[18:44] <seb128> I got busy on other things
[18:44] <seb128> it's still on my list ;-)
[18:45] <dobey> seb128: did you dig further into the cache issue?
[18:45] <seb128> dobey, no, that's why I didn't upload yet
[18:45] <kenvandine> seb128, vuntz filed a bug about gwibber not updating the NEWS file
[18:45] <kenvandine> bad me!
[18:45] <dobey> seb128: ah ok
[18:45] <seb128> kenvandine, shame on you ;-)
[18:45] <kenvandine> i know!
[18:45] <dobey> kenvandine: you have a NEWS file?
[18:45] <kenvandine> i think i owe tedg a beer for that
[18:46] <dobey> NEWS files are so 1994
[18:46] <kenvandine> dobey, they are very important though
[18:46] <kenvandine> for packagers
[18:47] <kenvandine> dobey, you sound like tedg
[18:48] <dobey> NEWS files are boring tedium
[18:49] <seb128> ok
[18:49] <seb128> I need to stop spamming ubuntu-desktop with topics :p
[18:49] <dobey> i need a beer
[18:50] <seb128> NEWS are awesome ;-)
[18:50] <seb128> especially in feature freeze times
[18:50] <dobey> nah
[18:50] <seb128> it's no fun to try to get a ffe acked for a package which has no NEWS or ChangeLog ;-)
[18:50] <dobey> stable branches are awesome
[18:50] <seb128> well, some upstream has no vcs, no ChangeLog, no NEWS
[18:50] <seb128> have
[18:51] <dobey> bzr log -1..last-release-tag
[18:51] <kenvandine> assuming you have sane commit messages
[18:51] <kenvandine> not like what i see regularly...
[18:51] <seb128> well, it means the package has to check out the vcs and look though the logs
[18:51] <kenvandine> "fixed a bug, it was stupid"
[18:51] <kenvandine> etc
[18:52] <dobey> well, not everyone can be as awesome as Us. We understand this.
[18:52] <kenvandine> "this is a shitty workaround, we'll fix it someday"
[18:52] <kenvandine> not going to name names though :)
[18:52] <dobey> is that what gwibber commit messages are like?
[18:52] <kenvandine> no :)
[18:52] <kenvandine> i always reference bugs and try to describe the change
[18:53] <kenvandine> because I know the pain of trying to deal with that on the other side :-p
[18:53] <dobey> bug numbers don't belong in commit messages; they belong in revision properties
[18:53] <kenvandine> both
[18:53] <dobey> duplication is waste
[18:53] <kenvandine> much easier to copy and paste from :)
[18:53] <dobey> tools should be improved :)
[18:55] <kenvandine> i uploaded another gwibber, hope the rt lets it through :)
[18:55] <kenvandine> good patches from vuntz and ssweeny
[19:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: I spotted the User Accounts UI issue we talked about earlier today. Want to sponsor it? (It's a one line change.)
[19:01] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/non-utf8-confusion/+merge/78140
[19:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[19:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hello, so you are back on duty. ;-)
[19:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, not really "on duty", just around ;-)
[19:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, I will get it uploaded tomorrow
[19:56] <seb128> we need to sort other few details though
[19:57] <seb128> the upload rodrigo_ did today got rejected because the new recommends added is in universe (which we didn't realise, glxinfo used to be built from another source)
[19:57] <seb128> so we need to sort the trunk and reupload, we will include your fix with it
[19:57] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks for working on it!
[19:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, I thought you said it was in universe indeed
[19:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, but yeah, I'll remove that, although what do we do then for fixing the bug?
[19:59] <GunnarHj> seb128: To me it looked like rodrigo_'s upload made it to the archive, but... Anyway, then I know that the UI fix will be taken care of. Thanks.
[19:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you review the merge request from GunnarHj (tomorrow works as well)
[20:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, well I though that the source was in main so that the binary needed promotions
[20:00] <kenvandine> hey infinity
[20:00] <kenvandine> :)
[20:00] <rodrigo_> seb128, GunnarHj: ok
[20:00] <seb128> but seems like they created a new -utils source
[20:00] <seb128> so we will need to mir it
[20:00] <seb128> or to declare that it's a split from a source in main and promote it without a mir :o
[20:00] <seb128> will check with pitti tomorrow
[20:04] <infinity> seb128: -demos, not -utils, but yes.  They split out all the non-library code, basically.
[20:04] <infinity> seb128: And no one's been keeping that package up to date either.
[20:04] <seb128> it seems like we should just deal having no graphic infos in the info panel for Oneiric
[20:04] <seb128> that's not the end of the world
[20:04] <rodrigo_> yeah, not much of a problem I guess
[20:05] <seb128> or fix the code in a sru to get its infos from Xorg.0.log rather than glxinfo
[20:05] <rodrigo_> yeah, also
[22:01] <RAOF> Bah.  Should have more carefully avoided the (harmless) segfault in bug #862161.
[22:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862161 in gnome-desktop3 "check_gl_texture_size crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862161
[22:01] <TheMuso> heh
[22:06] <RAOF> Desktop team meeting?
[22:07] <bryceh> heya
[22:07] <TheMuso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-10-04
[22:07] <bryceh> jasoncwarner mentioned he might be gone and asked me to chair
[22:08] <bryceh> only topic he mentioned was to ask about any critical bugs still extant
[22:08] <jbicha> newunity WORKSFORME so far :)
[22:09] <bryceh> TheMuso, RAOF, robert_ancell any criticals on your plates (or that should be on someone's plate)?
[22:09] <robert_ancell> bryceh, no
[22:09] <TheMuso> Not for me.
[22:09] <RAOF> Not for me.
[22:10] <bryceh> awesome, me neither
[22:10] <RAOF> Or, at least, not that I know of ?
[22:10] <TheMuso> heh same.
[22:10] <bryceh> testing time :-)
[22:11] <bryceh> ok, let's just do a quick round the room status and call it good
[22:11] <bryceh> robert_ancell, you first
[22:12] <robert_ancell> fixed a few lightdm bugs yesterday.  it seems to be running well.  There's a few reports of strange behaviour that I can't reproduce, so I expect there will be an SRU at some point to fix these
[22:13] <bryceh> TheMuso, you're up next
[22:14] <TheMuso> Ok, got pulse 1.0 in last thursday, but a bug that seems to affect skype has been found since, due to skype not checking lib versions properly. A patch is forthcoming from upstream, and will likely be an SRU.
[22:14] <TheMuso> A11y wise, no real change from last week, things haven't broken with the unity uploads etc.
[22:14] <bryceh> sweet
[22:14] <bryceh> ok RAOF , hit it
[22:15] <RAOF> Not a huge amount on the X front; I'll probably SRU in a null-check for bug 862161.  Tomboy should now shut down correctly for everyone, too :).
[22:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 862161 in gnome-desktop3 "check_gl_texture_size crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862161
[22:15] <bryceh> ok, and me:  I did some vino testing this morning after seb128's email (worked for me; likely fglrx breakage.  Poked at multimonitor bugs last week, and piloted bash_completion patches yesterday.  Going to try to get some toolsmithing and xdiagnose work (incl. failsafe-x) done this week.
[22:16] <bryceh> AOB?
[22:16] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  I should get apitrace done this week, so P can have much more useful 3D bugs.
[22:17] <bryceh> RAOF, cool, is that going to get integrated into the apport hook, or just as a debugging tool?
[22:17] <TheMuso> I was hoping Jason would be around to bug him about P cycle sprint dates...
[22:17] <bryceh> TheMuso, it looked like the sprint week was indicated in the P cycle schedule
[22:17] <TheMuso> bryceh: ah ok
[22:17] <RAOF> bryceh: It can't usefully be apport hooked; it needs to be shimmed under the app on startup.
[22:18] <bryceh> RAOF, on X startup or app startup?
[22:18] <RAOF> App startup.
[22:18] <RAOF> It *could* be integrated into xdiagnose, with a "run this app under tracing".
[22:19] <jibel> robert_ancell, I've finally been able to reproduce bug 851345 and attached lightdm logs, let me know if you need more info.
[22:19] <bryceh> TheMuso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PReleaseSchedule indicates Jan 12th-ish
[22:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851345 in lightdm "compiz crashes on i915 graphic module with GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851345
[22:19] <bryceh> RAOF, that would be slick
[22:20] <robert_ancell> jibel, great, thanks!
[22:20] <TheMuso> bryceh: thanks just saw that myself.
[22:20] <bryceh> alright, more AOB?  Or EOM?
[22:21] <bryceh> TheMuso, I heard we'll be in Budapest but don't think anything's been announced firmly
[22:22] <TheMuso> Ok.
[22:22] <TheMuso> I thought it would be somewhere in the US...
[22:24] <bryceh> ok, EOM, thanks all.
[22:24] <RAOF> jibel, robert_ancell: I saw slangasek and SpamapS talking about something similar in #ubuntu-devel yesterday, but it's gone beyond my scrollback horizon.
[22:24] <bryceh> TheMuso, yeah I have heard a few rumors but the Budapest info seems pretty solid.  I've heard hints of maybe west US for the following UDS
[22:25] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[22:25] <TheMuso> So it looks like we are moving away from the EU, US pattern.
[22:27] <slangasek> RAOF: something similar to what?
[22:27] <RAOF> slangasek: Something to do with lightdm and upstart killing it.
[22:27] <bryceh> slangasek, compiz crash with GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[22:28] <slangasek> yes to RAOF, no to bryceh :)  the bug we were discussing had nothing to do with compiz
[22:28] <slangasek> it was a bustificated /etc/X11/default-display-manager; something wrote the name "lightdm" to it instead of the expected full path
[22:29] <slangasek> do I remember correctly that pitti commented on this on channel earlier?
[22:29] <slangasek> bug #864174
[22:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864174 in lightdm "boot hangs waiting for lightdm after purging gdm (wrong default-display-manager)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864174
[22:31] <slangasek> I am uncertain why it was necessary for lightdm to unilaterally diverge from the historic default-dm handling common to all other DMs
[22:31] <RAOF> Ah, ok.  That's not the droid I'm looking for.
[22:31] <slangasek> but yeah, bugs ensue :-P
[22:33] <bryceh> RAOF, 851345 looks like just a gl lib config problem
[22:34] <bryceh> version.ia32-libs: ia32-libs 20090808ubuntu21
[22:34] <RAOF> No, I don't think it is - note the glxinfo output, with i965_dri loading then failing due to no permissions on /dev/dri.  Also, consolekit doesn't think the session is active.
[22:37] <bryceh> yeah libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied
[22:39] <bryceh> but note it's trying to load the drivers from i386 - libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/tls/swrast_dri.so
[22:39] <bryceh> RAOF, are those still coming from ia32-libs?
[22:39] <RAOF> I don't believe so, no.
[22:40] <RAOF> I would presume jibel is running i386 rather than amd64.
[22:40] <bryceh> this looks interesting too:
[22:40] <bryceh>  vboxhost, 4.1.2, 3.0.0-11-generic, x86_64: installed (WARNING! Diff between built and installed module!) (WARNING! Diff between built and installed module!)
[22:41] <RAOF> Yeah, the OR has some madness.  I don't believe jibel's problem is due to that, though.
[22:42] <bryceh> yeah looks like jibel is on i386 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/867904
[22:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 867904 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in unity::dash::LensView::~LensView()" [Undecided,New]
[22:42] <bryceh> you think maybe he is having a different bug than 851345?
[22:42] <jibel> RAOF, this system is running i386, and no vbox module installed
[22:43] <jibel> it also happened on a fresh wubi installation on another system
[22:43] <RAOF> bryceh: No, I think that 851345 is not dependent on the madness visible in the OR.
[22:44] <RAOF> I wonder if a liveusb would exhibit that problem...
[23:35] <broder> ...huh. i was going to attempt to prove a point that booting with casper is really slow. instead i find that it's only a 1/2 second faster than booting an installed system (booting over eSATA on the same drive)
[23:35] <broder> apparently my laptop burned a bunch of time running ureadahead, then proceeded to do a bunch more disk I/O anyway
[23:36] <broder> err, s/faster/slower/
[23:37] <RAOF> Hm, stale ureadahead data?
[23:37] <broder> brand new install, 2nd boot after installing
[23:37] <broder> i'll try again and see if i can reproduce it
[23:38] <RAOF> Last time I checked, my ureadahead managed to catch the vast majority of boot-time disc IO.
[23:38] <broder> http://web.mit.edu/broder/Public/postinstall-oneiric-20111004-2.png
[23:39] <broder> something...is definitely not working
[23:40] <RAOF> Yeah, that's pretty terrible.