[08:34] <Myrtti> lampp?
[08:35] <Flannel> Linux Apache MySQL PHP Python, or Perl, or Whatever.
[08:35] <Flannel> Oh, looks like that probably is 'xampp' but for linux.
[08:35] <ikonia> ughhhh
[08:36] <Flannel> (even though xampp works in linux)
[08:36] <ikonia> I'm sure it will suck just as bad
[08:36] <Flannel> It certainly wouldn't make sense, as we have all that packaged.
[08:37] <ikonia> it's actually quite a good package set too compared to other distros
[09:06] <lunitik> Can someone please tell me why I am STILL banned from #ubuntu ? It has been something like 7 years, and my sole motivation there is to assist users...
[09:07] <lunitik> It is stupid, all I did was say to the creator of the bot that there was another method to do something and he has added me as a permanent ban to the bot... egotistical.
[09:08] <lunitik> Not even just egotistical, down right abuse of "power".
[09:12] <ikonia> lunitik: sorry, only just seen you join, be with you in 2 minutes.
[09:15] <ikonia> lunitik: be with you ASAP, are you still there/active ?
[09:15] <lunitik> ikonia: yes, I am
[09:15] <ikonia> lunitik: won't keep you long
[09:16] <ikonia> lunitik: just so I know, you're aware of the rules of the ubuntu channel ?
[09:16] <ikonia> eg: friendly/helpful/no bad language/no offtopic etc etc
[09:17] <lunitik> ikonia: yes, if there are any I have broken to become banned, you can feel free to show me them... I have done nothing but apparently harm Seveas' ego...
[09:17] <ikonia> easy there, I'm trying to solve this
[09:18] <ikonia> if you would be kind enough to scan this URL https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines and just confirm your comfortable with the channels guidelines we can move this forward
[09:19] <lunitik> ikonia: yes, they are fine... I only want to assist as there is little else I can offer for thanks to the Ubuntu project other than my knowledge from the last 12 years of Debian/Ubuntu
[09:19] <ikonia> ok, so if you're comfortable with those rules, I'm happy to remove the ban
[09:20] <lunitik> ikonia: thank you!  :)
[09:20] <ikonia> lunitik: would you like to try to join now ?
[09:20] <lunitik> ikonia: still banned... it is hard-coded into the bot...
[09:20] <elky> lunitik, it's going to take a bit more to get that ban gone, sorry
[09:20] <elky> lunitik, chanserv isn't a bot
[09:20] <ikonia> sorry, my mistake
[09:20] <elky> lunitik, it's freenode services
[09:21] <lunitik> elky: I thought it was done through ubotu... someone had said I was the only user banned through the bot itself
[09:22] <lunitik> Also, what is Gun_Bunny? This doesn't seem like an official bot, but it keeps messaging me "be nice" when I am banned
[09:22] <elky> lunitik, er... first i've heard of that one
[09:22]  * elky fires up a clone
[09:24] <lunitik> ikonia: so are you still trying to get the ban lifted, or is not possible for you to do atm?
[09:25] <elky> lunitik, we're checking with staff
[09:26] <ikonia> elky: is on it
[09:27] <LjL> ooh seveas will be happy. *makes a note to tell him*
[09:28] <lunitik> LjL: I doubt he even remembers why he banned me... everyone insisted I go to a Community Council meeting to get it removed a long time ago but it was always very inconvenient times
[09:29] <LjL> well, i guess the past is the past at this point
[09:29] <lunitik> I had like 5+ ops /msg'ing me saying it is wrong what he did, yet it stuck
[09:30] <lunitik> A couple I think even left Ubuntu outright in part because of it - Apokryphus for instance went to openSUSE after
[09:30] <LjL> :\
[09:30] <elky> -ChanServ- Flags -b were set on lunitik!*@* in #ubuntu.
[09:30] <elky> try now
[09:31] <lunitik> elky: same
[09:31] <LjL> did you remove the actual ban?
[09:31] <elky> LjL, i did what the staff said to do
[09:31] <elky> mquin, please refer ^
[09:32] <LjL> elky: removing the akick just means chanserv won't autoban anymore, but there is still the ban in the banlist
[09:32] <elky> oh
[09:32] <elky> third time lucky?
[09:32] <elky> (aka try again)
[09:33] <elky> mquin...
[09:33] <mquin> Did you get both the akick entries? lunitik!*@* and *!*lunitik@*
[09:33] <elky> mquin, didn't know there was two
[09:34] <elky> and again lunitik
[09:34] <elky> woot
[09:34] <elky> mquin, thanks :)
[09:34] <lunitik> elky: mquin: thank you both, and sorry to bother you at this hour  :)
[09:35] <mquin> not a problem
[09:35] <elky> i'm pretty sure the reason why we never use them is because we can never remember how to undo them
[09:36] <lunitik> haha... I am going to leave here though as it is for official business last I checked, gonna restart XChat too so everyone have a great night!
[09:37] <ikonia> what's that gun_bunny think all about
[09:37] <elky> ikonia, i dunno, it didn't trigger for  me
[09:37] <ikonia> the IRC name doesn't suggest nice things
[09:37] <ikonia> rcname  : Frank_SPAMA
[09:38] <elky> it's probably only triggering on chanserv bans
[09:42] <popey> ban me from ubuntu as a test :D
[09:42] <popey> wonder if it invites to #club
[09:47] <elky> popey, i'll use my test clone again
[09:48] <ikonia> popey: you need to be in ubuntu for that to work
[09:48] <ikonia> Hmmm you are there but I can't ban you
[09:49] <ikonia> do you have some sort of shield up ? :)
[09:49] <ikonia> anything ?
[09:50] <elky> ikonia, i already tried an op ban, it didn't do anything
[09:50] <ikonia> (I just wanted to ban popey)
[09:50] <popey> 10:49:30 <Gun_Bunny> Hey be nice!
[09:50] <popey> thats all I got
[09:51] <ikonia> ok, well, that bot can go then
[09:51] <jussi> ikonia: dont we all?  :P
[09:51] <elky> i didn't get that...
[09:51] <ikonia> elky: you're on ignore, the club folk don't want to invite you
[09:51] <ikonia> ;)
[09:51] <jussi> popey: try messaging it back saying something...
[09:51] <ikonia> (kidding club log readers)
[09:51] <popey> did, got nothing
[09:53] <ikonia> can I ban popey again for another test:)
[09:53] <popey> heh
[09:53] <ikonia> "test"
[09:53]  * elky points to -uk :P
[09:54] <ikonia> interesting as soon as it got banned it disconnected from freenode
[09:54] <ikonia> but when it was just kicked it didn't quit
[09:54] <elky> probably overflowed itself trying to rejoin
[09:54] <ikonia> ahhh
[10:03]  * elky points ikonia at theadmin in #U
[11:01] <bazhang> Gun_Bunny, hi
[11:04] <ikonia> bazhang: it was a bot earlier, I forwarded it here in the hope to try to get it's owner to respond
[11:05] <bazhang> ikonia, ok thanks
[11:06] <ikonia> if it doesn't respond I'll ban it from #ubuntu and just remove it from here
[11:06] <ikonia> I'm assuming someone has manually restarted that bot due to how long it was absent after it was kicked/forwarded here
[11:40] <bazhang> gamilakall appears to have multiple sock puppets
 ubuntu ninja in the house
[11:53] <bazhang> ninjas should know how to use ettercap
[13:29] <Gentoo64> ban?
[13:29] <ikonia> no, just a forward
[13:29] <ikonia> we can remove the ban but I didn't want to discuss this with you again in ubuntu
[13:30] <ikonia> (as in channel #ubuntu)
[13:30] <Gentoo64> "there might be a ppa for it"
[13:30] <Gentoo64> is all i said
[13:30] <Gentoo64> lol
[13:30] <ikonia> we've discussed the support you give in ubuntu a few times now, and you don't seem to be taking on board the requests I'm making to think about the advice you're giving to them in terms of what actually meets their needs with minimal hassle and supportability
[13:31] <Gentoo64> i recommended a music player
[13:31] <Gentoo64> if its not in the repos, then there could be a ppa
[13:31] <Gentoo64> and you are so adament that ppas screw your system up
[13:31] <ikonia> you recommended a music player that you don't know is even in the repos (I don't believe it is) then suggested there may be a PPA - which even if there is, may actually totally wreck their system
[13:31] <Gentoo64> ^ yea
[13:32] <Gentoo64> like that
[13:32] <ikonia> because the majority do due to immature mainteinership
[13:32] <Gentoo64> be serious though
[13:32] <ikonia> using common sense and at least tyring to find an application within the supported ubuntu repos would be the best option for this type of user
[13:32] <Gentoo64> whats the likeliness of installing deadbeef wrecking your system
[13:32] <Gentoo64> i wouldnt recommend a ppa for something serious
[13:32] <ikonia> Gentoo64: you don't know, that's the issue
[13:32] <ikonia> Gentoo64: what libraries does it use ? what does that PPA contain in terms of conflicts ?
[13:32] <ikonia> you don't know,
[13:32] <ikonia> that's the issue
[13:33] <Gentoo64> same with anything
[13:33] <ikonia> that user could have zero issues, or it could wreck their machine
[13:33] <ikonia> no, it's not
[13:33] <Gentoo64> what does the nvidia binary driver contain?
[13:33] <ikonia> the package in the ubuntu repos are tried and tested
[13:33] <ikonia> Gentoo64: it's a binary intall that's hooked into the kernel and packaged inthe ubuntu repos as tested
[13:33] <Gentoo64> im just saying, antyhing can break
[13:33] <ikonia> that's why we don't support the versions from nvidia.com
[13:33] <ikonia> exactly the same as the PPA's
[13:33] <ikonia> no
[13:34] <ikonia> you're randomly increasing the chances of failure, and your increasing the risk for no reason
[13:34] <Gentoo64> man ubuntu isnt perfect. what about all thos people who cant boot without black screen. on fresh installs. ppas are there because ubuntu dont have the software
[13:34] <ikonia> you're supposed to act in the best interest of the user and their problem resolution, in in some cases protect themselves from their lack of knowledge, you are currently doing the opposite
[13:34] <Gentoo64> no im not
[13:35] <Gentoo64> why do you have to argue?
[13:35] <ikonia> Gentoo64: ubuntu is not perfect, but the software in the repos will do no harm, and has a support proces
[13:35] <ikonia> your slapdash approach to advice is putting users at risk for no reason.
[13:35] <Gentoo64> your too paranoid
[13:35] <ikonia> Gentoo64: I'm sorry, that's not the case.
[13:36] <ikonia> I have no issues with you suggesting a PPA if you fully understand it and make users aware of the risks
[13:36] <ikonia> I have issues with you randomly suggesting things that you have no idea even exist, let alone how they work
[13:36] <Gentoo64> youre being an idiot tbh
[13:37] <ikonia> name calling won't help this
[13:37] <LjL> Gentoo64: avoid the personal insulting or you will get removed, thanks
[13:37] <ikonia> the facts are you're advice is not helping and putting users at risk for no reason
[13:37] <Gentoo64> no one can help you ops
[13:37] <Gentoo64> if someone dont know what a ppa is, theyl ask
[13:37] <Gentoo64> and get the !ppa thing
[13:37] <ikonia> then I guess this conversation is done.
[13:37] <ikonia> I'll leave it there.
[13:37] <ikonia> and that shows how little you understand what you're actually saying.
[13:38] <Gentoo64> ..
[13:38] <ikonia> I now feel fully confident with my decision.
[13:38] <Gentoo64> so another ban then
[13:38] <Gentoo64> lol
[13:39] <Gentoo64> just saying, dont be such a girl
[13:39]  * LjL rolls eyes
[13:40] <ikonia> I'm done here
[13:41] <ikonia> Gentoo64: please take a bit of time to think about what I've said, maybe do a little research into PPA's and what they contain and the risks that presents, and rejoin this channel and we can pick up this conversation then
[13:42] <Gentoo64> ikonia, i know some ppas are by complete randomers
[13:43] <Gentoo64> the deadbeef one is fine ive used it
[13:43] <ikonia> now you're telling lies
[13:43] <ikonia> as you didn't even know if there was a PPA for it a minute ago
[13:43] <Gentoo64> i couldnt remember the name of it
[13:43] <Gentoo64> and im not lying, i use it on my family comp
[13:44] <Gentoo64> but i think you're overreacting
[13:44] <ikonia> Gentoo64: look, go and take some time to think about this and the risks you're offering users, not just "you" but generic users who just want to use a computer on a day to day basis
[13:44] <ikonia> come back then and we can talk and look at removing the forward to allow you back into #ubuntu
[13:44] <Gentoo64> why would you want to do that? :p
[13:44] <ikonia> ok, you win, I don't
[13:44] <ikonia> please leave the channel.
[13:44] <Gentoo64> ill just be back here for saying something else
[13:44] <Gentoo64> like hello
[13:45] <ikonia> then lets not bother.
[13:45] <Gentoo64> ok
[13:45] <ikonia> I'll change it to a flat ban and you can use other channels.
[13:45]  * Gentoo64 cries
[13:48] <ikonia> Gentoo64: please leave the channel now
[15:29] <ikonia> join ##linux
[15:29] <ikonia> oops
[15:29] <Pici> no thanks
[15:30] <rww> just gonna get yourself banned from it again anyway
[15:31] <ikonia> ha
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> Someone called Bastar was sending me the danger command by pm
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> Anyone here?
[17:04] <oCean> I removed him from the channel
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> Ok thanks
[17:04] <oCean> there's nothing we can do about pm's
[17:19] <ikonia> GTRsdk: what's todays issue ?
[17:20] <GTRsdk> ikonia: I have no issues today
[17:20] <ikonia> then why are you in #ubuntu-ops - what can we do for you
[17:21] <GTRsdk> I didn't think it would be bad to come to #ubuntu-ops just in case there was a question I could answer when no one would be paying attention
[17:21] <ikonia> what?
[17:22] <ikonia> sorry, I don't follow
[17:22] <Corey> GTRsdk: This isn't a support channel, and idling isn't allowed here.
[17:22] <Corey> GTRsdk: See /topic
[17:22] <IdleOne> GTRsdk: This channel is for ops only and people who need help from the ops
[17:23] <GTRsdk> IdleOne: okay so #freenode would be a better place?
[17:23] <IdleOne> if you don't need help from the ops and are not an op we ask that you not idle here
[17:23] <IdleOne> GTRsdk: indeed it would
[17:23] <GTRsdk> okay
[17:23] <Corey> IdleOne: Thank you so very, very much.
[17:23] <IdleOne> for?
[17:23] <IdleOne> he's a good kid, looking for a place to be helpful.
[17:23] <Corey> Our new "helper." :-p
[17:24] <IdleOne> little misguided perhaps
[17:24] <Corey> IdleOne: Sure, just so long as his quit message remains civil. ;-0
[17:24] <IdleOne> haven't noticed them
[19:15] <NeedSomeHelp> hello
[19:15] <IdleOne> hello
[19:16] <NeedSomeHelp> Just wanted to report Girlygirl He  tries to make people run a malicious script, he tries to make newbies delete their own files by running a erase-script
[19:16] <NeedSomeHelp> The "patch" contains the lines: #/bin/bash && rm -rf /
[19:16] <IdleOne> what is the nick of the user?
[19:18] <LjL> GirlyGirl
[19:18] <LjL> NeedSomeHelp: can you provide the transcript of the actual conversation, perhaps in PM with IdleOne or me?
[19:19] <IdleOne> LjL: if you don't mind handling this. I am about to go afk soonish
[19:19] <IdleOne> thanks.
[19:20] <h00k> Nova685: Can we help you?
[19:20] <GirlyGirl> Yes Pici
[19:20] <Nova685> no sorry clicked a link
[19:20] <Pici> GirlyGirl: an you provide the transcript of the actual conversation?
[19:21] <GirlyGirl> Sorry I am on freenode web and closed the window
[19:21] <GirlyGirl> Earlier someone else (forgot the nick) did the same
[19:22] <GirlyGirl> Pici:
[19:22] <h00k> GirlyGirl: did the same what?
[19:23] <GirlyGirl> h00k: sent the same command
[19:23] <IdleOne> does webchat not log?
[19:23] <GirlyGirl> IdleOne: No
[19:23] <IdleOne> convenient
[19:23] <LjL> GirlyGirl: did you send NeedSomeHelp a mediafire link?
[19:23] <GirlyGirl> LjL: No
[19:25] <Pici> NeedSomeHelp, GirlyGirl: The fact is that this is precisely the reason why we ask that people ask for help in-channel.  Since we can't confirm either of your stories, I personally don't see any reason to take any further action at this time.
[19:25] <Pici> Any other ops want to weigh in?
[19:25] <IdleOne> agreed. knock it off both of you.
[19:25] <h00k> I concur with Pici.
[19:26] <IdleOne> or whoever it is.
[19:26] <GirlyGirl> Pici: I don't give support in PM's and normally tell people to post in channel when they ask
[19:26] <NeedSomeHelp> i just pasted the log. I asked in both #ubuntu and in #libreoffice after help. Then Girlygirl pm'ed me
[19:27] <IdleOne> NeedSomeHelp: we appreciate the report but right now there is nothing we can do. We will keep our eyes open
[19:27] <GirlyGirl> NeedSomeHelp: Pm'ed me a deliberate "danger command"
[19:27] <IdleOne> GirlyGirl: same goes as I just said to NeedSomeHelp
[19:27] <maco> NeedSomeHelp: pasted the log where?
[19:27] <LjL> maco: -team
[19:28] <GirlyGirl> Then I said that is dangerous please stop ... somthing like that and he posted in #ubuntu saying I gave him a script
[19:28] <LjL> ok GirlyGirl, do you have enforce on on your nickname? i'm just thinking this might have been someone else using your nickname
[19:29] <h00k> GirlyGirl: I'd recommend registering the name if you haven't.
[19:29] <h00k> !register > GirlyGirl
[19:29] <GirlyGirl> h00k: I have
[19:30] <h00k> GirlyGirl: Then I recommend identifying, and enabling enforce
[19:30] <maco> GirlyGirl: do you have enforce turned on so that if someone signs on as you without identifying to nickserv they get kicked to guest?
[19:30] <GirlyGirl> LjL: Its registered but no enforce anyone can use it
[19:30] <NeedSomeHelp> yeah theres not much to do about it, but its a coincidence the script filename was called LibreOo.patch, just in time when I had a problem with libreoffice, right?
[19:30] <LjL> GirlyGirl: well it can be a bit inconvenient but given what happened maybe you should set enforce on
[19:31] <NeedSomeHelp> maco: yes, to LjL
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> LjL: How do I do that
[19:31] <LjL> NeedSomeHelp: well the file is no longer there on mediafire, so...
[19:31] <LjL> GirlyGirl: /ns set enforce on
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> NeedSomeHelp: I have no idea what script you are talking about
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> LjL: Done thanks
[19:32] <NeedSomeHelp> he just removed it
[19:32] <GirlyGirl> NeedSomeHelp: I don't even have a mediafire account
[19:32] <NeedSomeHelp> GirlyGirl: ...
[19:33]  * maco is confused by these pronouns
[19:33] <LjL> well, this is it for now. NeedSomeHelp - we'll keep our eyes open. GirlyGirl - be aware if it's found it *was* you, the ban will be long. but i sure hope it wasn't.
[19:33] <maco> NeedSomeHelp:  i suspect GirlyGirl's nick can be taken as proof that there are girls on the internet, so...maybe go with "she"?
[19:33] <NeedSomeHelp> I see I should have gone to this channel before warning people in the public
[19:34] <LjL> NeedSomeHelp: yeah, that would have been better, but well.
[19:34] <NeedSomeHelp> well, I suspect that many internet-"girls" are actually men, and especially if they have a ulterior motive....
[19:34] <maco> NeedSomeHelp: no need to police other people's genders. i'm sure many internet "men" are also women trying to avoid harassment
[19:35] <NeedSomeHelp> like "lol, he thought i was a girl, so i made him delete all his files, hihi!"
[19:35] <LjL> let's do the pronouns debate some other day perhaps?
[19:36] <rww> ze!
[19:36] <LjL> !no | rww
[19:36] <GirlyGirl> NeedSomeHelp: Cute passive agressive language
[19:37] <Pici> Thats enough kids.
[19:37] <maco> LjL: that wasnt norse, that was super-modern english! :P
[19:37] <maco> futurist english? its like being in scifi
[19:38] <GirlyGirl> Ops http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/snapshot3hg.png/
[19:38] <GirlyGirl> just got this on pm
[19:39] <LjL> let's not turn this into a soap opera, we can't know whom to believe so we'll have to just keep an eye open
[19:41] <GirlyGirl> LjL: I understand your view. Anyways in all the time on the uk and french channels I never got any trouble nor saw anyone get trouble. May I leave now?
[19:41] <LjL> GirlyGirl: yes. thanks for your time
[19:41] <rww> oh, this isn't #ubuntu-offtopic. oops.
[19:41] <LjL> and NeedSomeHelp, thanks for reporting this
[19:45] <NeedSomeHelp> np
[19:45] <NeedSomeHelp> didnt know about this channel b4, i found out when someone told me in #ubuntu
[19:51] <Myrtti> is there anything else we can help you with, NeedSomeHelp ?
[19:54] <NeedSomeHelp> no thank yoou:)
[21:03]  * GTRsdk would like to join #ubuntu-offtopic , just to ask a question, just for an hour or so.
[21:05] <IdleOne> GTRsdk: I am not an op in #ubuntu-offtopic but I can tell you this much, bans are not set and unset at users request. either you get unbanned and don't join the channel or stay banned.
[21:05] <IdleOne> don't join the channel * if you don't want to be in it*
[21:06] <GTRsdk> then i'll try to wait the week
[21:07] <IdleOne> I can see if one of the ops wants to remove the ban now but like I said it is up to you to manage your channels joins
[21:08] <IdleOne> Do you want the ban removed?
[21:10] <IdleOne> GTRsdk: ^
[21:10] <GTRsdk> not until the week is up
[21:10] <IdleOne> ok then, please part the channel if there is nothing else.