knightwisemorning everyone05:47
AlanBellmorning all06:13
* AlanBell downloads ubuntu 11.10 beta2 server06:39
AlanBellgoing to install Alfresco 4 on it06:39
AlanBelldownload complete :)06:41
MartijnVdSyou need a slower internet connection :P06:52
HazRPGI need a faster one!07:22
shaunogood news; egypt is famous for it's incredibly fast domestic pipes ;)07:22
HazRPGshauno: at the end of the day, even though net-wise it'll suck... my mum still needs me over there really07:23
AlanBellwhere in egypt?07:25
shaunoI almost made a very crass joke, then realised I've been spending far too much time in the wrong channels :/  so I'll go back to trying to turn our call logging server into a UT99 server :)07:25
HazRPGbesides, I'm sure I'll be able to wangle something together, as long as I'm getting at least what I have now - I'll be happy ^_^07:26
HazRPGAlanBell: Cairo :)07:26
HazRPGAlanBell: Well, Giza really... but its still part of Greater Cairo ^_^07:26
AlanBellhave they removed the internet off switch now?07:27
HazRPGAlanBell: heh, been back on for a long while now ^_^07:27
HazRPGI think they only turned it off for like a couple of weeks (possibly a month) or so07:28
AlanBellyes, I was just wondering if the capability to turn it off has gone07:28
HazRPGAlanBell: well... Mubarak isn't there anymore... if that's what you mean, Egypt doesn't really own an off switch... it was just a case of "Mubarak says, Mubarak gets..." sort of scenario07:29
AlanBellkim0 (Ahmed Kamal) the ubuntu cloud chap is based in cairo07:29
HazRPGAlanBell: cool :)07:30
HazRPGIIRC, there was a chart released somewhere, that showed when the DNS servers for Egypt were taken offline... and between each ISP there was like a 3-5 minute delay between them... so officials/newspapers/etc all think that it was basically Mubarak - or others who worked for him, basically going round ringing them and telling them to cut everything somehow07:32
knightwisemorning everyone07:32
HazRPGknightwise: morning dude07:34
knightwisehey HazRPG07:35
knightwisehow are you today07:35
HazRPGknightwise: not too bad thanks, how's things your end?07:35
AlanBellI am off to the Institute of Directors in a bit for a meeting with some Redhat peeps07:36
knightwisedoing fine HazRPG ,07:37
knightwiselooking around for some hackintosh tutorials07:38
knightwisebeen running Mint on my macbook air , now i feel like i need to run osx on my pc netbook07:38
knightwisejust to balance out the universe07:38
AlanBellkim0: o/07:40
kim0AlanBell: hi there07:41
kim0HazRPG: Alan was just saying you're moving to Giza ?07:42
kim0Welcome to Sunny land :)07:42
HazRPGkim0: Yeah, I'll be moving there in Nov ^_^07:42
HazRPGNearish shara el-harram :)07:43
kim0HazRPG: so you've been there before ?07:43
HazRPGknightwise: heh, so your mac is your linux, and your pc is your mac (or how you want it to be...)? :P07:43
HazRPGkim0: yeah, mother is Egyptian :P07:44
kim0HazRPG: lemme guess, English teacher ?07:44
kim0HazRPG: Oh ok .. so you know your way around07:44
HazRPGindeed ;)07:44
kim0kewl then .. ping me if you'll need anything in there, will be glad to help07:45
HazRPGkim0: I lived in bulaa' da crur for about 3 months each summer because my grandmother lived there07:45
kim0you probably know Cairo better than I do then :)07:45
HazRPGkim0: 3rif 3raby kaman ;P07:45
kim0HazRPG: m3ady07:46
kim0you're not a clueless guy in cairo then :) not worried about you .. have fun :)07:46
HazRPGkim0: hehe, thanks... you too ^_^07:47
diploMorning all07:47
HazRPGdiplo: mornin' dude07:47
knightwiseHazRPG: indeed , mah mac runs linux , ma pc needs to run mac07:50
HazRPGknightwise: I was messing around with OSX in a VM a few weeks back07:51
knightwiseHazRPG: did you get it working ?07:51
HazRPGseemed to work straight off the bat07:52
knightwisedid you use a special distro ?07:52
HazRPGoh, no wait... I think I had to tweak a few things here n there to get it to actually load up...07:52
knightwiseso you ran it in virtualbox ?07:52
HazRPGknightwise: not that I'm aware... but it could be07:52
HazRPGknightwise: yeah VBox 4.0 (just recently updated to 4.1, and still seems to work fine in that too)07:53
HazRPGknightwise: helps if you set stuff up to Emulate EFI in the options, but works like a charm :)07:53
knightwiseso , virtualbox 4.1 and a plain and simple snow leopard install cd ?07:53
HazRPGknightwise: yup :)07:53
knightwiseok , i'll see if i have the latest version running on my server07:54
MooDoohello all07:54
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knightwisenow to find out how to unisntall the old version in Fedora :=(07:57
HazRPGknightwise: iirc, I think "technically" support for OSX isn't in VBox anymore... because of licence-rights, etc... but I noticed that picking "Mac OS X Server" as the OS Type, seems to do the same job07:58
knightwiseok  , trying to remove the old version from my server now07:59
HazRPGknightwise: cool07:59
knightwisenot obvious via the commandline so i see07:59
HazRPGremoving it?08:01
HazRPGshouldn't yum just be able to get rid of it?08:01
knightwiseyeah , but yum doesnt appear to find it08:02
HazRPGknightwise: package name will be "virtualbox-4.0" if its 4.0 you have on there08:02
knightwiseyeah , i have that =) its the old one i ccent get off08:03
HazRPG(those are the only package names I can think of)08:04
knightwisegot it08:04
HazRPGknightwise: just install the new one, if removing the old one is a pain... cos the new one will automatically remove the old one before updating08:04
knightwiseah its workign08:05
knightwisehad some version conflicts08:05
HazRPGknightwise: brb, gimmie a nudge if you need any help ^_^08:08
HazRPGwon't be long08:08
knightwisethanx HazRPG08:08
knightwisepopped in the cd08:08
knightwiseassigned 2 gigs of ram08:09
knightwise20 gigs of harddrive08:09
MooDoomorning czajkowski08:15
knightwiseHazRPG: did you assign 2 processors to the VM ?08:16
knightwiseHazRPG: what settings did you adjust ?08:19
knightwise+msg HazRPG08:20
HazRPGknightwise: back08:20
HazRPGknightwise: I'll have a look now08:20
knightwisethanx =)08:20
HazRPGknightwise: right... lets see here...08:22
HazRPGknightwise: Enabled EFI... although if the disc doesn't boot or see your hdd, turn this off...08:23
HazRPGknightwise: processor I have set to 1, although I don't see anything wrong with having this at 2 if you can support 2, with an execution cap of 100% (again you could change this)08:23
knightwiseyep , check08:24
knightwisevideo memory to 128mb08:24
knightwiseChipset ICH9 ?08:24
HazRPGI just used standard IDE controller, but I'm sure if things are playing up you could use SATA instead08:24
HazRPGknightwise: yeah ICH908:25
knightwiseand IO apic remains enabled08:25
knightwiseok , lets give it a spin08:25
HazRPGknightwise: *fingers crossed* :)08:27
knightwisethanx , holdon , little remote keyboard issue ,08:27
knightwisevirtualbox says i must use right ctrl key to disable capturing of the keyboard08:29
knightwisemac doesnt HAVE a right control key :)08:29
gordthe mac version of virtualbox is saying that?08:31
bigcalmHello World!08:31
gordbecause otherwise i think your keyboard is deficient ;)08:31
bigcalmdavmor2: I think so, yes. Though you still haven't told me which bit of the complex I am meant to attend :)08:32
knightwiseno , its virtualbox on my linux server :=)08:32
knightwiseim accessing it via teamviewer08:32
popeyconvoluted knightwise is convoluted08:32
popeyyou can configure the key08:33
knightwiselol popey i know :)08:33
oimonknightwise: sounds like you need to run all that through a vnc connection too :)08:33
knightwiseI have slider issues :)08:33
knightwisemy server runs virtualbox08:33
popeyand rdp08:33
knightwiseits headless08:33
JamesTaitBuongiorno a tutto!08:33
knightwiseso i access it using teamviewer08:33
knightwisefrom a mac08:33
knightwiserunnign linux08:33
knightwisehow sick is that :)08:34
knightwisepopey , i've been meaning to ask you : you ever wanna come ont the Knightcast podcast some day ?08:34
popeyif you record on a day when I'm not at work08:35
knightwisei am doing a live show the 21st (on a friday)08:35
knightwisein the morning08:35
HazRPGknightwise: ah you can change that dude08:35
knightwiseHazRPG: doing it now :)08:35
HazRPGknightwise: heh, seems popey suggested the same thing ^_^08:36
shaunoI usually have capslock bound to ctrl, but I think that registers as left control still08:37
knightwiseHazRPG: it kinda stops booting in the efi shell08:38
knightwiseso i suppose i turn that off ,08:38
knightwiseoops , forgot to point out the dvvd08:40
knightwiselets try again08:40
HazRPGknightwise: yeah08:40
knightwiseok , bunch of jibberish on the screen ending with "system uptime"08:41
HazRPGknightwise: hmm, I think there was a lifehacker post somewhere that I followed that showed you how to do this, I'll see if I can find it again ^_^08:41
HazRPGknightwise: http://lifehacker.com/5583650/run-mac-os-x-in-virtualbox-on-windows08:42
knightwisechecking :=)08:42
HazRPGknightwise: ignore the fact that its showing you how to install it on windows - cos the steps are very similar to any version of vbox :)08:42
knightwiseok, this uses the osx86 version.08:43
knightwisenot a "native osx cd"08:43
knightwiseI downloaded IATKOS , perhaps i should try that Cd instead of the real osx cd08:44
HazRPGknightwise: ah, fair enough... would have thought a standard version would have worked too (considering vbox can emulate the EFI parts that OSX requires)08:46
knightwiseHazRPG: trying the iatkos cd now08:47
knightwiseok, got the grey apple and the spinning thing08:48
knightwiseliiks like the cd is still spinning.08:48
brobostigongood morning everyone,08:48
HazRPGbrobostigon: mornings dude \o08:50
brobostigonHazRPG: good morning, o/08:51
HazRPGbrobostigon: how's things at your end of the isle :)08:51
AlanBellchoo choo08:51
oimonopenoffice is refusing to obey my porttrait/lanscape/fit to window settings :(08:51
brobostigonHazRPG: alittle cooler, and physiclly tired and my eczema isnt so hot. and you?08:52
HazRPGbrobostigon: ah, still suffering since around oggcamp time?08:52
HazRPGbrobostigon: yeah, I can't really complain... all good really08:52
brobostigonHazRPG: yes, isnt has been going up and down, since before then, yes.08:53
brobostigonHazRPG: :)08:53
HazRPGbrobostigon: ah08:54
HazRPGbrobostigon: *hugs*08:54
* brobostigon hugs HazRPG in return.08:54
HazRPGoimon: hmm, o'rly?08:57
HazRPGoimon: what's the document saved as?08:57
HazRPGoimon: I noticed that can cause issues sometimes08:57
knightwiseHazRPG: :( Not working i'm afraid :(08:59
knightwisei keeps spinning the little circle of death08:59
HazRPGknightwise: hmm, ouch09:00
davmor2bigcalm: I'm not sure I'm nipping up town tomorrow and will be checking everything is in place then09:07
* czajkowski kicks davmor2 09:08
davmor2morning sweetie everything okay in czajkowski world?09:08
bigcalmdavmor2: righto :)09:12
bigcalmczajkowski: feeling older today?09:13
bigcalmGood :)09:13
czajkowskiand no where near wiser09:13
davmor2czajkowski: that's cause everytime you learn something new it pushes out something you'd already learnt09:14
czajkowskiI will always remember09:14
czajkowskidavmor2: is a brat09:15
MooDooi've forgotten more then you'll ever know :D09:15
davmor2MooDoo: who are you do we know each other......I got this feeling I should know you09:15
davmor2czajkowski: you never remember :P  Never honest :)09:16
MooDoodavmor2: slap!09:18
davmor2Oh you're that MooDoo  thanks09:19
MooDookiss on the cheek for czajkowski09:19
davmor2czajkowski: hippo birdy 2 ewes, hippo birdy 2 ewes, hippo birdy dear czajkowski, hippo birdy 2 ewes09:20
bigcalmBit late09:20
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I'm stealing that -- it's by dad's  birthday today :)09:21
davmor2bigcalm: no networking yesterday which sucks by the way :)09:21
bigcalmdavmor2: BT?09:25
davmor2bigcalm: virgin09:25
davmor2upstream locked in nicely downstream wouldn't lock09:26
bigcalmDoh, I should have remembered that!09:26
bigcalmWeird :(09:26
bigcalmI've moved my superhub over to modem only mode. Using my Linksys router again and loving it09:27
Laneywhat is wrong with the superhub as a router? seems to wfm™09:27
popeyyeah, modem mode is good09:28
* bigcalm notes the flame war about to happen on the mail list09:28
Laneybut I wonder what I am missing09:28
LaneyOOH FLAMES!09:28
popeyIt's tuesday, time for flames! Everyone knows that silly!09:28
bigcalmCan we all just gall it Gerald?09:28
popeyLaney: it often seems to depend heavily on the infrastructure behind your superhub09:29
Laneyyou've noticed it being unstable?09:29
popeyi have little/no problem with mine, and I'm in an ex-NTL area (apparently one of the better cabled ones)09:29
Laneyoh, behind that way09:29
popeyI have had to reboot it a few times, yes09:29
Laneyours seems good; solid 50Mb all of the time09:29
bigcalmLaney: I have found the superhub to be less than reliable as a router. If my 'net connection goes away, I like to still be able to talk to my other machines on my lan09:30
bigcalmI've had a lot of problems with my 1st superhub. Got better when an enginer replaced it. Still not good enough though. This is an ex-Telewest region. Don't know if that makes much of a difference though09:31
Laneyso going to modem only mode is only to mitigate the problems with your dodgy cable connection?09:32
popeyno, thats not why i went to modem only mode09:32
bigcalmWell, going modem only allows me to use of own choice of router. On my linksys I have dd-wrt :)09:32
bigcalmWhich also gives me better wifi coverage in the house09:33
Laneythe firmware doesn't seem so bad that I could be bothered to bypass it09:33
Laneymaybe if I needed QoS and stuff I would09:33
bigcalmWorking from home means that I notice the down time much more09:33
Laneyi am permanently sshed into my home pc09:34
bigcalmDifferent regions have varying levels of stability :)09:35
Laneygood for me, not for others09:35
gordback to banshee because rhythmbox segfaults now :'(10:19
czajkowskigord: you just break stuff10:20
bigcalmI just got used to Rhythmbox for last.fm goodness10:21
* bigcalm keeps away from 11.1010:21
* MartijnVdS never uses last.fm anymore10:21
gordoh i love last.fm in rhythmbox10:21
gordits the only music client that does it properly10:21
bigcalmI like to leave it on the recommendations and then get on with work10:22
MartijnVdSI've used the stand-alone client10:22
MartijnVdSthat works10:22
MartijnVdSexcept it costs me a lot of money in new CDs ;)10:22
bigcalmSpotify \o/10:22
gordi set the last.fm tag to "awesome" and just let it give me music tagged with that10:23
MartijnVdSbut then it's not MINE10:23
gordusually goes well10:23
MartijnVdSgord: Awesome10:23
bigcalmHaha, gotta try that :)10:23
bigcalmOther people's idea of awesome isn't the same as mine10:25
bigcalmAh well10:25
bigcalmBack to recommendations10:26
DJonesGrrr, this isn't fair, my wife is being given an ipad by work so she can "go paperless"10:29
bigcalmWhat would you do with one?10:32
DJonesSell it & buy an android tablet :)10:33
DJonesNot that I've got anything against ipads, I like them, just prefer android because I'm used to that on my phone10:33
DJonesI'd use a tablet more for casula web browsing, book reading, multimedia etc10:34
DJonesI like the look of the Samsung Galaxy 10.1" models, but they're a bit pricy10:35
DJonesKindle Fire looks good, although the screen may be a little bit small10:36
gordi still find it impossible to justify getting a tablet, even for a low price10:40
bigcalmThe 7" android tablet I bought is pants10:40
DJonesWhich one was that bigcalm10:41
bigcalmNow only use it for checking my web work works on mobile devices10:41
gordyeah... if you are gonna get an android tablet, get one with a lot of clout behind it10:41
DJonesbigcalm: I rememebr you getting that now10:41
bigcalmIt was less than 100 quid, didn't expect it to be good :D10:41
DJonesI wonder whether its worth waiting for the uk release of the motorola xooom 2 if it come out here10:42
gordto be honest, if i were gonna get any tablet, it would be an amazon one. amazon own lovefilm...10:43
DJonesI don't use things like lovefilm, so that wouldn't be a benefit to me, as I like Android, google own motorola now so could make sense10:45
DJonesThe xoom itself looks nice10:47
DJonesAs an example http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/motorola-xoom-tablet-pc-32gb-09752543-pdt.html10:47
MartijnVdSthe xoom is _heavy_ though10:47
MartijnVdScompared to my Kindle :)10:47
davmor2MartijnVdS: The ipad is heavy in comparison to a kindle10:48
MartijnVdSdavmor2: sure10:48
MartijnVdSbut people still use it as an e-book reader10:48
MartijnVdSI don't know how they do it, with the retina-burning brightness10:48
davmor2MartijnVdS: infact a paper back book is heavy in comparison to the kindle10:48
MartijnVdSdavmor2: depends on the book10:49
davmor2war and piece, gone with the wind, lord of the rings, the last harry potter take your pick :D10:50
DJonesipad 2 is 601g, xoom is 730g, new kindle is 170g, kindle keyboard is 240g10:50
DJonesKindles are in a different league weight wise10:50
DJonesThe kindle fire is 415g, but is a a much smaller screen10:51
DJonesNot sure whether a 130g difference between the ipad & xoom would be that noticable10:52
bigcalmIf you're holding it for a long time, it would be10:52
bigcalmEven with my 3rd gen Kindle, I notice the weight after a while10:53
bigcalmI wonder if needs charging up :)10:53
DJonesGalaxy Tab 1.1 os 590g10:54
bigcalmNope :D10:54
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bigcalmWhen I gave my Kindle to my Mum to play with, the 1st thing she did was to try and swipe the screen :S10:55
directhexbigcalm, kindle touch!10:55
Guest31871stupid nickserv10:55
Guest31871stupid irc bouncer10:55
davmor2Guest31871: muhahahahaha gord irc hates you hate it back works for me10:56
Guest31871stupid everything10:57
popeybigcalm: everyone does that :D10:57
bigcalmBut she doesn't even have a touch interface phone11:00
shaunoI think the trick is to be nicer to your mom, and get her a real ipad11:00
bigcalmMost strange11:00
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bigcalmShe and Hayley won't use them. Both say that they prefer books11:00
MartijnVdSstrange people11:00
MartijnVdSBook + train = broken book (especially hardcover books are very breakable)11:01
gordkindle + plane = broken kindle (for me, once, amazon were great and sent me a new one though)11:01
bigcalmTrains are why 98% of my book collection are paperbacks11:02
DJonesThe number of books I read (especially on holiday), I'd use up my luggage allowance just with them11:02
MartijnVdSbigcalm: Trains are why I bought a Sony PRS-600 2 years ago, and a new Kindle is on its way to me atm :)11:02
shaunomost planes are designed to crush souls.  I'm rarely surprised when there's a little collateral damage11:03
bigcalmThe sun is shining. I thought the forecast was for misery once more?11:04
MartijnVdSThe Sun is misery, isn't it?11:04
bigcalmAh, that's this afternoon :)11:04
gordits definitely getting colder, i can tell because i am apparently wearing socks toda11:05
bigcalmThe nights are still uncomfortable up here11:06
davmor2gord: welcome back dude11:07
davmor2gord: just socks,  Man you really need to think about wearing clothes before joining the channel ;)11:09
gordworking from home does have its benefits11:10
bigcalmI'm surprised that I wear as much clothing as I do11:10
bigcalmWorking in your slippers is nice though :)11:10
DJonesThis is disappointing http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42300/no-kindle-fire-touch-uk11:58
oimonDJones: wow11:59
shaunoodd that they say amazon haven't given a reason, when we already know what it is12:01
popeythey just want to stop people waiting for the fire12:01
popeyto get people to buy the current models12:01
oimoni thought the reason was the USA is the primary market for amazon and everybody else just has to lump it12:02
shaunothe fire is android-based, but locked down to amazon's app store.  which isn't in the UK yet, as I understand it12:03
oimontoo far for the poor bytes to travel12:03
shaunosince they're being sold at a loss atm, zero sense putting it into markets where they're not going to recoup the losses thru the appstore12:04
DJonesThere's also rumours of a larger screen kindle fire due out next year12:04
shaunooimon, if only it was that simple.  our bytes run on a different voltages to theirs :p12:04
oimonand they have a funny accent12:04
DJonesMaybe the uk will get that as a first option with the amazon app store12:05
DJonesThe more I read reviews, the one that gets the best overall reviews looks to be the motorola xoom12:07
oimoni think i just have to get the new cheap kindle £89 one12:22
oimonwife's bday is this week12:22
DJonesI would struggle to justify a kindle as an ebook ready alone when a tablet can do so much more, although price is an important issue if all you want to do is read books/magazines etc12:38
oimonshe's dyslexic and for some reason finds it easier to read on a kindle/tablet than a white page12:41
oimoninteresting: "The Court of Justice holds that national legislation which prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards is contrary to the freedom to provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums."12:45
MartijnVdSNot that I'd WANT to buy Sky from the Netherlands... :)12:50
oimoni wonder what this means for live internet streaming12:55
JGJonesDJones, I could justify a kindle as a ebook alone providing the cost is low enough. I do have a tablet, but the Kindle is far much easier to read. The difference of display is quite large. My father have one while I have a tablet. Obviously I'm using the tablet + kindle app a lot, but when I visit my dad's, I prefer reading on his Kindle.12:57
DJonesJGJones: I've got a reasonable phone which I use for ebook reading at the minute, so the cost of a pure ebook reader compared to already having that would be against the kindle alone13:01
gordreading on the kindle is sooo nice,13:02
JGJonesI'll buy a kindle - under £50. £89 still too high for me :)13:02
gordjust wish the page refresh was faster, i hear the new one is13:02
davmor2gord: it is indeed,  my wife loves hers13:03
gorddavmor2, is the new one all touchy feely?13:03
gordnot really looked at it much, but they removed the keyboard so it must be surely?13:03
oimonthe new one is not touch screen AFAIK13:03
davmor2gord: hers is the mark 3 not the new one13:04
davmor2she had it for xmas13:04
oimonand uses virtual keyboard navigated by the directional pad13:04
gordwell thats made me not want it :(13:05
gorddavmor2, which one is the one i have?13:05
gordi think i got it this time last year13:05
oimondavmor2: does she use the keyboard nmuch?13:08
davmor2oimon: yeap to search for books13:08
oimonto buy? or search on her device13:08
oimonthe battery life on the new kindle is half as much. probably related to the weight reduction13:11
hamitronthe £90 one?13:12
oimonhamitron: yes, go to http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kindle-Wi-Fi-6-Ink-Display/dp/B0051QVF7A and view the section on compare kindles13:12
hamitronheh, I tend to ignore the advertising13:12
hamitronmarketing crap is always the best case13:13
oimonhowever it's X/2 now13:13
hamitronmy biggest question, is how pictures look on the screen13:13
hamitron£90 is almost tempting13:14
oimonmono pics?13:14
hamitronwell, any13:14
hamitronmono and colour13:14
TheOpenSourcererAm liking the new Ubuntu Polo Shirts... http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=87913:14
JGJonesInteresting...only just heard that latest version of Gnome ship with a new file manager called Emperor - http://code.jollybox.de/emperor.xhtml13:14
hamitroninternet seems to be slowing down13:18
hamitronlast week just seems insanely slow when accessing stuff in the US13:18
oimonhaven't had that problem since 199713:19
hamitronI can't even get 128kbps radio streams working fully atm13:20
oimonmicrosoft have officially killed the zune!13:22
hamitronis that the music thingy?13:23
oimonyeah, still never seen a real one13:23
* hamitron neither13:23
JGJonesme too...not even in shops.13:29
oimonsomeone gave one to my brother but he couldn't download the software for windows because he was outside the US13:30
oimoni dare say it would have worked under ubunt13:30
davmor2JGJones: it's not shipped yet it might ship in the version coming out in march/april time13:30
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* GirlyGirl thinks Atharva is about to say something14:35
AtharvaHi...I have a switchable graphics laptop with AMD Radeon HD 6470 and Intel Sandy Bridge. And after I installed ati restricted drivers it crashed to terminal.How to recover it ? Any Ideas ?14:35
AtharvaGirlyGirl : No one to answer..14:38
GirlyGirlAtharva: Maybe later, Uk comes online in the night hours14:39
AzelphurAtharva: first thing to do is to look at the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log14:39
oimonroom has been quiet today14:39
oimonwonder if #ati might help?14:39
AzelphurIf you install Ubuntu, then you install xubuntu-desktop, is there any way to remove all the gnome specific/ubuntu stuff?14:40
AzelphurI have 2 keyboard configuration applications, for example.14:40
Myrttithere used to be a way, but I think it's outdated by now14:43
GirlyGirlAzelphur: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce14:45
Azelphurphew that's a lot of packages14:46
Azelphurhopefully nothing will break :p14:46
GirlyGirlAzelphur: It won't I've done it many times14:46
Azelphuryea but I'm on 11.10 :(14:46
GirlyGirlAzelphur: but to be safe after you remove do an install for xubuntu-desktop14:47
GirlyGirlAzelphur: Ah that might cause trouble!14:47
AzelphurI'm gonna have to find lots of packages that no doubt have changed names :p14:47
oimonisn't it easier to ..gasp..install xubuntu?14:48
Azelphuroimon: reinstall my entire OS? :(14:49
oimondo you normally upgrade every sixmonths?14:49
AzelphurI wanted to try XFCE, now I want to switch to it, reinstalling the whole OS isn't really fun14:49
Azelphuryea, I usually keep up with release cyclecs14:49
oimonreinstall OS only became a bad thing since microsoft made it so bad14:49
oimoni use kickstart to reinstall OS of my users all the time.14:49
Azelphuryea, I could reinstall and I do have separate /home, but I don't wanna D:14:50
oimonthe more u do it, the more streamline your process becomes :D14:50
theashmanis there a way to specify that a process should be low priority?14:50
lubotu3'Nice' is a property of a process that determines how willing it is to give CPU time to other processes.  A higher value makes it more likely to give away time.  A negative value makes it less likely. Values are from -19 to 19, with 0 being the default.  For more information, type 'man nice' at a terminal.14:51
bigcalmyw :)14:52
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AlanBell http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=14 tshirts \o/14:58
gordhrm, i never did get my ocelot t-shirt :(15:00
MooDooi still wear my maverick t-shirt :D15:02
AlanBellhardy shirt ftw15:02
* Azelphur was clever and bought a generic Ubuntu logo tshirt :p15:03
Monsterwizardbtw, is 11:10 going to be a LTS edition15:05
GirlyGirlMonsterwizard: No15:05
theashman12.04 be next LTS?15:06
oimoni have a kubuntu tshirt woops15:06
Monsterwizarddamn it D:15:06
lubotu3LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)15:06
lubotu3Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases15:06
oimontheashman: yes :P15:06
Monsterwizardhas anyone gone to a ubuntu uk meeting?15:07
GirlyGirloimon: Since Windows NT, I never had a reinstall problem with microsoft15:07
AlanBellyes Monsterwizard15:07
theashmanAnyone going to the Leeds meeting?15:07
Monsterwizardinteresting I'm thinking of going to one15:07
GirlyGirlWho is going to the release party of 11.1015:08
AlanBellI am going to the London one15:08
oimonGirlyGirl: windows stores stuff in registry etc that it's impossible to backup. linux allows you to keep your home dir15:08
ikoniaAny of you UK guys have a UK contact that works with perspex ? cutting for example ?15:09
GirlyGirloimon: Possible to backup, its somewhere in sys32.... not saying windows is better but since NT it is better than people give it credit for15:09
oimonGirlyGirl: i have to disagree. performing a clean install of MS OS *will* mean you lose app settings15:10
lubotu3For discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents15:11
AlanBellGirlyGirl: as you asked the question, are you going to a release party?15:13
GirlyGirlAlanBell: I don't think so London is far fo me15:13
AlanBellLeeds is the other one on the day15:13
AlanBelland then we have the Happy Hour tour going all over the place15:13
GirlyGirlAlanBell: Leeds is even more distant!15:16
theashmanBut Leeds is awesome15:17
MonsterwizardLeeds is...rough15:17
theashmanHaha. Only a little...15:17
theashmanJust stick to well lit areas and you'll be safe15:18
MonsterwizardBristol is too15:19
TheOpenSourcererLeeds is "t'oop north"15:20
GirlyGirlAlanBell: But obviously you're going, aren't you the event organiser?15:20
Azelphurgot a USB drive, deleted some files off it, it's moved them into the .Trash-1000 directory, and I can't delete this directory :/15:22
Azelphurbut I need the space on the USB drive free'd up, suggestions?15:22
theashmanTheOpenSourcerer: Nowt wrong wi it up 'ere...15:22
theashman</terrible attempt at yorkshire speak>15:22
theashmanAzelphur: empty the wastebasket15:23
TheOpenSourcerertheashman: Your dialect works for me ;-)15:23
Azelphurah, I think there's something weird going on, it says error deleting fat entry beyond EOF in dmesg, and puts the filesystem into read only15:23
* DJones gives TheOpenSourcerer some ferrets to stick down his trousers15:23
AzelphurI guess I'll format it15:23
TheOpenSourcererAzelphur: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourusbstick ?15:24
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: hehe, format is easy enough too15:25
Monsterwizardlol awesome name TheOpenSourcer15:38
oimonanyone tried fedora 16 yet?15:39
MonsterwizardI couldn't use the wireless driver15:41
Monsterwizardfor my acer15:41
Monsterwizardapart from that...it's alright15:41
TheOpenSourcererThanks Monsterwizard I like yours too15:41
TheOpenSourcererI thought of it walking to the pub on a sunny evening15:42
oimonMonsterwizard: still no minimize button on fedora i see15:50
Monsterwizardoh and that15:50
MonsterwizardWhat desktop environment are you using?15:50
oimonwhich proves an insane person made it15:50
Monsterwizardahh yes15:51
Monsterwizarddoes your wireless card work ok?15:51
oimonon fedora? i tried it on a desktop pc via usb stick. i didn't like what i saw so i didn't install it15:52
gr33npeacemorning all, the countdown site isn't showing the countdown for me!  http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/15:54
gr33npeacethe rest of the page loads, but no countdown appears!  anyone else seeing that?15:54
AlanBellthe countdown is javascript based15:55
gr33npeaceAlanBell: yup, and javascript is enabled for all sites15:56
gr33npeaceI'm behind a proxy, could that be it?15:56
kirrusgr33npeace: if the proxy is interferring with javascript, possibly :)16:02
Azelphur_Just installed xubuntu fresh, trying to run apt-get update but I get lots of W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-backports/universe/i18n/Translation-en  Something wicked happened resolving 'None:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)16:03
Azelphur_various different urls, all the same messages, about 50 or so times, any ideas?16:04
jpdsAzelphur_: No address associated with hostname16:05
MartijnVdSlooks like a botched proxy config16:05
jpdsAzelphur_: Something wrong with your DNS.16:06
MartijnVdSor dns16:06
Azelphur_why is it even trying to resolve "none:http"? my /etc/apt/sources.list is fine16:06
Azelphur_jpds: if there was something wrong with my DNS I wouldn't be online talking to you :P16:06
Azelphur_my DNS is fine16:06
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: have you checked /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*16:06
jpdsAzelphur_: host gb.archive.ubuntu.com16:06
Azelphur_MartijnVdS: empty directory16:06
Azelphur_jpds: gb.archive.ubuntu.com has address
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list?16:07
gr33npeacekirrus: is that likely!?  :)  I had no idea... rest of the page loads fine!  very strange16:07
Azelphur_MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/Sd4hNyBm16:07
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: looks fine...16:08
Azelphur_indeed :(16:08
Azelphur_I am on a daily, maybe this daily is just broken16:08
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: nah then it's be broken for me too16:09
Azelphur_It tried to run do-release-upgrade too, which also errors16:09
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: is there proxy info in your environment?16:09
Azelphur_MartijnVdS: I didn't set any up, if there is where would it be?16:10
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: try "printenv | grep -i proxy" first16:10
Azelphur_MartijnVdS: nothing16:10
MartijnVdSAzelphur_: and in the proxy config dialog?16:10
MartijnVdSfor your user16:10
Azelphur_http://pastebin.com/KDbwX5K0 is the error I get from do-release-upgrade, kinda interesting that it's also trying to resolve "none"16:11
* MartijnVdS has no idea, maybe popey (the proxy man) recognises the error16:11
MartijnVdSit also uses apt16:11
Azelphur_MartijnVdS: not sure where that is16:11
AlanBellI have seen that error when I didn't have a dns server set16:12
AlanBelldid sudo dhclient and it picked it up16:12
MartijnVdScan you check in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/16:13
MartijnVdSif there's something defining a proxy16:13
AlanBellhave you installed apt-squid-proxy-client or similar16:13
Azelphur_this is a fresh installation, I havn't installed anything16:13
Azelphur_MartijnVdS: no mention of proxy in that directory (either in the files, or file names)16:13
davmor2AlanBell: popey: czajkowski: http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/  and the winner of satirical countdown banner goes too16:15
Azelphur_Guess I'll try installing beta 2, see if that gets me anywhere16:16
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Azelphurhmm, I seem to have killed my flash player. :(19:17
mgdmthat'd be fine, if you managed to kill everyone else's at the same time19:18
Azelphurtrue story19:18
* Azelphur just uses youtube html5 for now19:18
diploAnyone else have issues with messages not being sent with Empathy on MSN network ?19:19
diploBeen happening over different versions19:20
brobostigoni have been getting that every so often in bitlbee aswell.19:20
Azelphurbrobostigon: that would be unrelated, bitlbee uses it's own protocol code (although recently it's been adapted to have libpurple support, but still nothing to do with telepathy :p)19:22
diploWorks fine with pidgin always19:22
brobostigonAzelphur: good point, yes.19:22
diploIt's always Empathy that fails :/19:22
diploNot just me as well19:22
AzelphurAnyone care to help me figure out why flash isn't working? I've installed the flashplugin-downloader package, but no flash in either chromium or fireofx19:59
GirlyGirlAzelphur: Maybe downloader did not finish the install?20:01
Azelphurif it did, it didn't say so20:01
dwatkinsAzelphur: have you tried starting the browser from the commandline to see if it writes any errors there?20:02
dwatkinsalso, which browser?20:02
Azelphurdwatkins: chrome and firefox, and no flash related errors I can see :(20:03
dwatkinschrome has its own flash20:04
Azelphursorry, chromium20:04
dwatkinsah ok20:04
dwatkinswhat do you see where a flash animation should be, Azelphur?20:04
Azelphurthe usual "Go install flash player" thing20:04
Azelphurand flash player is not in about:plugins20:04
Azelphurdwatkins: hmm just went to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/20:05
mgdmChrome has its own Flash *if you're on 32-bit*20:05
Azelphurand it says "Missing flash?" "For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash. Please upgrade to the latest version."20:06
dwatkinswhat does "about:plugins" say, Azelphur?20:06
dwatkins(in firefox)20:06
Azelphurjust icedtea20:07
dwatkinsflash isn't installed, or it's not been detected by the browser20:07
Azelphuryea, I gathered that much myself :p20:07
dwatkinsdpkg thinks it is?20:08
dwatkinsI installed "flashplugin-installer" on my old Ubuntu 10.10 box, I don't know what your package does.20:08
Azelphurdwatkins: fixed it by removing all the flash player packages and installing flashplugin-installer again :D20:10
diplo-For a beta, Oneric is buggy as shite20:11
Azelphurdiplo-: wuss20:11
diplo-Nautilus crashes what ever i do, I have had whole laptop lock up20:11
mgdmerr, wrong window20:13
davmor2diplo-: you mean you don't do everything from TTY1 what do you think this is some sort of windows replacement or something ;)20:14
diplo-I've not known a beta to be this buggy tbh, Alphas yeah20:17
ali1234what about natty? that was pretty buggy20:21
popeydiplo-: ATI video card?20:22
ali1234or 8.04?20:22
ali1234how about 8.10?20:22
Azelphuror <insert thing that was once beta here>20:23
ali1234those releases were terrible20:23
diplo-popey, intel20:23
diplo-I didn't try Natty as I was happy on maverick20:23
diplo-during the betas that is20:23
ali1234karmic was probably the buggiest at time of release20:23
diplo-Really not for me, found it fine20:24
popeypeople have short memories20:25
popeywell, some have very long memories too :D20:25
ali1234jaunty, now that was a good one20:25
popeyhmm, I'm getting that "wake computer from suspend, it immediately goes back into suspend again" thing20:25
ali1234diplo-: nautilus crashing is a known bug. waiting for repos to sync for the update20:29
diplo-Started working now20:29
ali1234however since it is ubuntuone related, i was not affected, due to it being the first thing i uninstall20:29
diplo-Ah i am syncing via u1 now20:34
diplo-Wondering if it was part of the issue20:34
Azelphurhmm, I seem to have lots of weird boxes in conky :(20:43
Azelphureven on plaintext output, sense this makes none D:20:43
Azelphurwell this sucks, conky seems to be broken in 11.10 :(21:39
AzelphurIt exhibits generally weird behaviour and prints boxes all over the place21:39
Azelphureven with an entirely fresh conkyrc which only contains very basic things21:39
Laneylooks alright here21:41
AzelphurLaney: see if you get the same thing as me, make a text file and put this in it http://pastebin.com/88gWFn2N21:42
AzelphurLaney: then put ${execpi 1 cat /path/to/textfile}21:42
Azelphurand see if you get lots of weird boxes at the beginning of lines \o/21:43
Seeker`http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/04/1343217/deadline-approaches-for-registration-in-stanfords-free-cs-classes <- this seems cool21:58
dwatkinsSeeker`: yeah :)22:22
kaushalcan someone please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-October/252250.html ?22:57
AlanBellkaushal: I would try the lastest live desktop CD, a daily oneiric or something. Just to do a quick test to see if is recognised in that or not.22:59
kaushalAlanBell: Thanks23:00
kaushalAlanBell: do i refer to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-i386.iso ?23:04
AlanBellkaushal: yeah, I would give that a go23:10
AlanBellif it works then you know the hardware is OK and will be supported at some point, then you can decide whether to run 10.04 with hacked together drivers for it, or maybe try 11.04 server, or maybe wait a week and be bold and go for 11.10 server23:11
AlanBellif it doesn't work, then you can carry on with trying to get upstream support for the drivers23:12
AlanBellby which I mean compiling them from source or whatever23:13
kaushalAlanBell: ok23:14
kaushalunderstood completely23:14
AlanBellbuying another network card should be an option to consider as well23:15
kaushalAlanBell: yes23:15
kaushalAlanBell: Thanks23:15
kaushalAlanBell: makes sense since it involves lot of effort23:16
kaushalnot worth the time23:16
AlanBellyeah, even if it is a cheap £15 desktop card that you throw away in 6 months when the good one has supported drivers23:16
kaushalAlanBell: sure and Thanks23:17
szymon_gi've got a question: since alternatecd doesn't seem to work on my pc; can i setup raid/lvm from livecd /on ubuntu 11.10 beta2/? what extra packages i have to install /on livecd session/? will i be able to setup /dev/md0 etc for mounting points /and rest on lvm/?23:33

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