[05:47] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:13] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:39]  * AlanBell downloads ubuntu 11.10 beta2 server
[06:39] <AlanBell> going to install Alfresco 4 on it
[06:41] <AlanBell> download complete :)
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> you need a slower internet connection :P
[07:22] <HazRPG> I need a faster one!
[07:22] <shauno> good news; egypt is famous for it's incredibly fast domestic pipes ;)
[07:22] <HazRPG> :/
[07:23] <HazRPG> shauno: at the end of the day, even though net-wise it'll suck... my mum still needs me over there really
[07:25] <AlanBell> where in egypt?
[07:25] <shauno> I almost made a very crass joke, then realised I've been spending far too much time in the wrong channels :/  so I'll go back to trying to turn our call logging server into a UT99 server :)
[07:26] <HazRPG> besides, I'm sure I'll be able to wangle something together, as long as I'm getting at least what I have now - I'll be happy ^_^
[07:26] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Cairo :)
[07:26] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Well, Giza really... but its still part of Greater Cairo ^_^
[07:27] <AlanBell> have they removed the internet off switch now?
[07:27] <HazRPG> AlanBell: heh, been back on for a long while now ^_^
[07:28] <HazRPG> I think they only turned it off for like a couple of weeks (possibly a month) or so
[07:28] <AlanBell> yes, I was just wondering if the capability to turn it off has gone
[07:29] <HazRPG> AlanBell: well... Mubarak isn't there anymore... if that's what you mean, Egypt doesn't really own an off switch... it was just a case of "Mubarak says, Mubarak gets..." sort of scenario
[07:29] <AlanBell> kim0 (Ahmed Kamal) the ubuntu cloud chap is based in cairo
[07:30] <HazRPG> AlanBell: cool :)
[07:32] <HazRPG> IIRC, there was a chart released somewhere, that showed when the DNS servers for Egypt were taken offline... and between each ISP there was like a 3-5 minute delay between them... so officials/newspapers/etc all think that it was basically Mubarak - or others who worked for him, basically going round ringing them and telling them to cut everything somehow
[07:32] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:34] <HazRPG> knightwise: morning dude
[07:35] <knightwise> hey HazRPG
[07:35] <knightwise> how are you today
[07:35] <HazRPG> knightwise: not too bad thanks, how's things your end?
[07:36] <AlanBell> I am off to the Institute of Directors in a bit for a meeting with some Redhat peeps
[07:37] <knightwise> doing fine HazRPG ,
[07:38] <knightwise> looking around for some hackintosh tutorials
[07:38] <knightwise> been running Mint on my macbook air , now i feel like i need to run osx on my pc netbook
[07:38] <knightwise> just to balance out the universe
[07:40] <AlanBell> kim0: o/
[07:41] <kim0> AlanBell: hi there
[07:42] <kim0> HazRPG: Alan was just saying you're moving to Giza ?
[07:42] <kim0> Welcome to Sunny land :)
[07:42] <HazRPG> kim0: Yeah, I'll be moving there in Nov ^_^
[07:43] <HazRPG> Nearish shara el-harram :)
[07:43] <kim0> HAHA
[07:43] <kim0> HazRPG: so you've been there before ?
[07:43] <HazRPG> knightwise: heh, so your mac is your linux, and your pc is your mac (or how you want it to be...)? :P
[07:44] <HazRPG> kim0: yeah, mother is Egyptian :P
[07:44] <kim0> HazRPG: lemme guess, English teacher ?
[07:44] <kim0> HazRPG: Oh ok .. so you know your way around
[07:44] <HazRPG> indeed ;)
[07:45] <kim0> kewl then .. ping me if you'll need anything in there, will be glad to help
[07:45] <HazRPG> kim0: I lived in bulaa' da crur for about 3 months each summer because my grandmother lived there
[07:45] <kim0> you probably know Cairo better than I do then :)
[07:45] <HazRPG> kim0: 3rif 3raby kaman ;P
[07:46] <kim0> HazRPG: m3ady
[07:46] <HazRPG> :P
[07:46] <kim0> :D
[07:46] <kim0> you're not a clueless guy in cairo then :) not worried about you .. have fun :)
[07:47] <HazRPG> kim0: hehe, thanks... you too ^_^
[07:47] <kim0> cheers
[07:47] <diplo> Morning all
[07:47] <HazRPG> diplo: mornin' dude
[07:50] <knightwise> HazRPG: indeed , mah mac runs linux , ma pc needs to run mac
[07:51] <HazRPG> knightwise: I was messing around with OSX in a VM a few weeks back
[07:51] <knightwise> HazRPG: did you get it working ?
[07:52] <HazRPG> seemed to work straight off the bat
[07:52] <knightwise> did you use a special distro ?
[07:52] <HazRPG> oh, no wait... I think I had to tweak a few things here n there to get it to actually load up...
[07:52] <knightwise> so you ran it in virtualbox ?
[07:52] <HazRPG> knightwise: not that I'm aware... but it could be
[07:53] <HazRPG> knightwise: yeah VBox 4.0 (just recently updated to 4.1, and still seems to work fine in that too)
[07:53] <HazRPG> knightwise: helps if you set stuff up to Emulate EFI in the options, but works like a charm :)
[07:53] <knightwise> so , virtualbox 4.1 and a plain and simple snow leopard install cd ?
[07:53] <HazRPG> knightwise: yup :)
[07:54] <knightwise> ok , i'll see if i have the latest version running on my server
[07:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:57] <knightwise> now to find out how to unisntall the old version in Fedora :=(
[07:58] <HazRPG> knightwise: iirc, I think "technically" support for OSX isn't in VBox anymore... because of licence-rights, etc... but I noticed that picking "Mac OS X Server" as the OS Type, seems to do the same job
[07:59] <knightwise> ok  , trying to remove the old version from my server now
[07:59] <HazRPG> knightwise: cool
[07:59] <knightwise> not obvious via the commandline so i see
[08:01] <HazRPG> removing it?
[08:01] <knightwise> yep
[08:01] <HazRPG> shouldn't yum just be able to get rid of it?
[08:02] <knightwise> yeah , but yum doesnt appear to find it
[08:02] <HazRPG> knightwise: package name will be "virtualbox-4.0" if its 4.0 you have on there
[08:02] <HazRPG> etc
[08:03] <knightwise> yeah , i have that =) its the old one i ccent get off
[08:03] <HazRPG> 3.2?
[08:03] <HazRPG> virtualbox-ose...
[08:04] <HazRPG> (those are the only package names I can think of)
[08:04] <knightwise> 4.0
[08:04] <knightwise> got it
[08:04] <HazRPG> knightwise: just install the new one, if removing the old one is a pain... cos the new one will automatically remove the old one before updating
[08:05] <knightwise> ah its workign
[08:05] <knightwise> had some version conflicts
[08:05] <HazRPG> ah
[08:08] <HazRPG> knightwise: brb, gimmie a nudge if you need any help ^_^
[08:08] <HazRPG> won't be long
[08:08] <knightwise> thanx HazRPG
[08:08] <knightwise> popped in the cd
[08:09] <knightwise> assigned 2 gigs of ram
[08:09] <knightwise> 20 gigs of harddrive
[08:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:15] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[08:16] <knightwise> HazRPG: did you assign 2 processors to the VM ?
[08:19] <knightwise> HazRPG: what settings did you adjust ?
[08:20] <knightwise> +msg HazRPG
[08:20] <HazRPG> knightwise: back
[08:20] <HazRPG> knightwise: I'll have a look now
[08:20] <knightwise> thanx =)
[08:22] <HazRPG> knightwise: right... lets see here...
[08:23] <HazRPG> knightwise: Enabled EFI... although if the disc doesn't boot or see your hdd, turn this off...
[08:23] <HazRPG> knightwise: processor I have set to 1, although I don't see anything wrong with having this at 2 if you can support 2, with an execution cap of 100% (again you could change this)
[08:24] <knightwise> yep , check
[08:24] <knightwise> video memory to 128mb
[08:24] <knightwise> Chipset ICH9 ?
[08:24] <HazRPG> I just used standard IDE controller, but I'm sure if things are playing up you could use SATA instead
[08:24] <knightwise> ok
[08:25] <HazRPG> knightwise: yeah ICH9
[08:25] <knightwise> and IO apic remains enabled
[08:25] <HazRPG> yeah
[08:25] <knightwise> ok , lets give it a spin
[08:27] <HazRPG> knightwise: *fingers crossed* :)
[08:27] <knightwise> thanx , holdon , little remote keyboard issue ,
[08:27] <HazRPG> hmm?
[08:29] <knightwise> virtualbox says i must use right ctrl key to disable capturing of the keyboard
[08:29] <knightwise> mac doesnt HAVE a right control key :)
[08:31] <gord> the mac version of virtualbox is saying that?
[08:31] <bigcalm> Hello World!
[08:31] <gord> because otherwise i think your keyboard is deficient ;)
[08:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: I think so, yes. Though you still haven't told me which bit of the complex I am meant to attend :)
[08:32] <knightwise> no , its virtualbox on my linux server :=)
[08:32] <knightwise> im accessing it via teamviewer
[08:32] <popey> convoluted knightwise is convoluted
[08:33] <popey> you can configure the key
[08:33] <knightwise> lol popey i know :)
[08:33] <oimon> knightwise: sounds like you need to run all that through a vnc connection too :)
[08:33] <knightwise> I have slider issues :)
[08:33] <knightwise> my server runs virtualbox
[08:33] <popey> and rdp
[08:33] <knightwise> its headless
[08:33] <JamesTait> Buongiorno a tutto!
[08:33] <knightwise> so i access it using teamviewer
[08:33] <knightwise> from a mac
[08:33] <knightwise> runnign linux
[08:34] <knightwise> how sick is that :)
[08:34] <popey> oh
[08:34] <popey> really
[08:34] <knightwise> popey , i've been meaning to ask you : you ever wanna come ont the Knightcast podcast some day ?
[08:35] <popey> yeah
[08:35] <popey> if you record on a day when I'm not at work
[08:35] <knightwise> i am doing a live show the 21st (on a friday)
[08:35] <knightwise> in the morning
[08:35] <HazRPG> knightwise: ah you can change that dude
[08:35] <knightwise> HazRPG: doing it now :)
[08:36] <HazRPG> knightwise: heh, seems popey suggested the same thing ^_^
[08:37] <shauno> I usually have capslock bound to ctrl, but I think that registers as left control still
[08:38] <knightwise> HazRPG: it kinda stops booting in the efi shell
[08:38] <knightwise> so i suppose i turn that off ,
[08:38] <knightwise> ?
[08:40] <knightwise> oops , forgot to point out the dvvd
[08:40] <knightwise> lets try again
[08:40] <HazRPG> knightwise: yeah
[08:41] <knightwise> ok , bunch of jibberish on the screen ending with "system uptime"
[08:41] <HazRPG> knightwise: hmm, I think there was a lifehacker post somewhere that I followed that showed you how to do this, I'll see if I can find it again ^_^
[08:42] <HazRPG> knightwise: http://lifehacker.com/5583650/run-mac-os-x-in-virtualbox-on-windows
[08:42] <knightwise> checking :=)
[08:42] <HazRPG> knightwise: ignore the fact that its showing you how to install it on windows - cos the steps are very similar to any version of vbox :)
[08:43] <knightwise> ok, this uses the osx86 version.
[08:43] <knightwise> not a "native osx cd"
[08:44] <knightwise> I downloaded IATKOS , perhaps i should try that Cd instead of the real osx cd
[08:46] <HazRPG> knightwise: ah, fair enough... would have thought a standard version would have worked too (considering vbox can emulate the EFI parts that OSX requires)
[08:47] <knightwise> HazRPG: trying the iatkos cd now
[08:48] <knightwise> ok, got the grey apple and the spinning thing
[08:48] <knightwise> liiks like the cd is still spinning.
[08:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: mornings dude \o
[08:51] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good morning, o/
[08:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: how's things at your end of the isle :)
[08:51] <AlanBell> choo choo
[08:51] <oimon> openoffice is refusing to obey my porttrait/lanscape/fit to window settings :(
[08:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: alittle cooler, and physiclly tired and my eczema isnt so hot. and you?
[08:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, still suffering since around oggcamp time?
[08:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah, I can't really complain... all good really
[08:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, isnt has been going up and down, since before then, yes.
[08:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[08:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah
[08:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: *hugs*
[08:54]  * brobostigon hugs HazRPG in return.
[08:56] <HazRPG> :)
[08:57] <HazRPG> oimon: hmm, o'rly?
[08:57] <HazRPG> oimon: what's the document saved as?
[08:57] <HazRPG> oimon: I noticed that can cause issues sometimes
[08:59] <knightwise> HazRPG: :( Not working i'm afraid :(
[08:59] <knightwise> i keeps spinning the little circle of death
[09:00] <HazRPG> knightwise: hmm, ouch
[09:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm not sure I'm nipping up town tomorrow and will be checking everything is in place then
[09:08]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[09:08] <davmor2> morning sweetie everything okay in czajkowski world?
[09:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: righto :)
[09:13] <bigcalm> czajkowski: feeling older today?
[09:13] <czajkowski> nope
[09:13] <bigcalm> Good :)
[09:13] <czajkowski> and no where near wiser
[09:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's cause everytime you learn something new it pushes out something you'd already learnt
[09:14] <czajkowski> I will always remember
[09:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: is a brat
[09:15] <MooDoo> i've forgotten more then you'll ever know :D
[09:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: who are you do we know each other......I got this feeling I should know you
[09:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: you never remember :P  Never honest :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: slap!
[09:19] <davmor2> Oh you're that MooDoo  thanks
[09:19] <MooDoo> kiss on the cheek for czajkowski
[09:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: hippo birdy 2 ewes, hippo birdy 2 ewes, hippo birdy dear czajkowski, hippo birdy 2 ewes
[09:20] <bigcalm> Bit late
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I'm stealing that -- it's by dad's  birthday today :)
[09:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: no networking yesterday which sucks by the way :)
[09:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: BT?
[09:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: virgin
[09:26] <davmor2> upstream locked in nicely downstream wouldn't lock
[09:26] <bigcalm> Doh, I should have remembered that!
[09:26] <bigcalm> Weird :(
[09:27] <bigcalm> I've moved my superhub over to modem only mode. Using my Linksys router again and loving it
[09:27] <popey> :D
[09:27] <Laney> what is wrong with the superhub as a router? seems to wfm™
[09:28] <popey> yeah, modem mode is good
[09:28]  * bigcalm notes the flame war about to happen on the mail list
[09:28] <popey> :D
[09:28] <Laney> but I wonder what I am missing
[09:28] <Laney> OOH FLAMES!
[09:28] <popey> It's tuesday, time for flames! Everyone knows that silly!
[09:28] <bigcalm> Can we all just gall it Gerald?
[09:28] <popey> \o/
[09:29] <popey> Laney: it often seems to depend heavily on the infrastructure behind your superhub
[09:29] <Laney> you've noticed it being unstable?
[09:29] <popey> i have little/no problem with mine, and I'm in an ex-NTL area (apparently one of the better cabled ones)
[09:29] <Laney> oh, behind that way
[09:29] <popey> I have had to reboot it a few times, yes
[09:29] <Laney> ours seems good; solid 50Mb all of the time
[09:30] <bigcalm> Laney: I have found the superhub to be less than reliable as a router. If my 'net connection goes away, I like to still be able to talk to my other machines on my lan
[09:31] <bigcalm> I've had a lot of problems with my 1st superhub. Got better when an enginer replaced it. Still not good enough though. This is an ex-Telewest region. Don't know if that makes much of a difference though
[09:32] <Laney> so going to modem only mode is only to mitigate the problems with your dodgy cable connection?
[09:32] <popey> no, thats not why i went to modem only mode
[09:32] <bigcalm> Well, going modem only allows me to use of own choice of router. On my linksys I have dd-wrt :)
[09:33] <bigcalm> Which also gives me better wifi coverage in the house
[09:33] <Laney> the firmware doesn't seem so bad that I could be bothered to bypass it
[09:33] <Laney> maybe if I needed QoS and stuff I would
[09:33] <bigcalm> Working from home means that I notice the down time much more
[09:34] <Laney> i am permanently sshed into my home pc
[09:35] <bigcalm> Different regions have varying levels of stability :)
[09:35] <Laney> good for me, not for others
[10:19] <gord> back to banshee because rhythmbox segfaults now :'(
[10:20] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:20] <czajkowski> gord: you just break stuff
[10:21] <bigcalm> I just got used to Rhythmbox for last.fm goodness
[10:21]  * bigcalm keeps away from 11.10
[10:21]  * MartijnVdS never uses last.fm anymore
[10:21] <gord> oh i love last.fm in rhythmbox
[10:21] <gord> its the only music client that does it properly
[10:22] <bigcalm> I like to leave it on the recommendations and then get on with work
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> I've used the stand-alone client
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> that works
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> except it costs me a lot of money in new CDs ;)
[10:22] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:22] <bigcalm> Spotify \o/
[10:23] <gord> i set the last.fm tag to "awesome" and just let it give me music tagged with that
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> but then it's not MINE
[10:23] <gord> usually goes well
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> gord: Awesome
[10:23] <bigcalm> Haha, gotta try that :)
[10:25] <bigcalm> Humm
[10:25] <bigcalm> Other people's idea of awesome isn't the same as mine
[10:25] <bigcalm> Ah well
[10:26] <bigcalm> Back to recommendations
[10:29] <DJones> Grrr, this isn't fair, my wife is being given an ipad by work so she can "go paperless"
[10:32] <bigcalm> What would you do with one?
[10:33] <DJones> Sell it & buy an android tablet :)
[10:33] <DJones> Not that I've got anything against ipads, I like them, just prefer android because I'm used to that on my phone
[10:34] <bigcalm> :)
[10:34] <DJones> I'd use a tablet more for casula web browsing, book reading, multimedia etc
[10:35] <DJones> I like the look of the Samsung Galaxy 10.1" models, but they're a bit pricy
[10:36] <DJones> Kindle Fire looks good, although the screen may be a little bit small
[10:40] <gord> i still find it impossible to justify getting a tablet, even for a low price
[10:40] <bigcalm> The 7" android tablet I bought is pants
[10:41] <DJones> Which one was that bigcalm
[10:41] <bigcalm> Now only use it for checking my web work works on mobile devices
[10:41] <bigcalm> Kogan
[10:41] <gord> yeah... if you are gonna get an android tablet, get one with a lot of clout behind it
[10:41] <DJones> bigcalm: I rememebr you getting that now
[10:41] <bigcalm> It was less than 100 quid, didn't expect it to be good :D
[10:42] <DJones> I wonder whether its worth waiting for the uk release of the motorola xooom 2 if it come out here
[10:43] <gord> to be honest, if i were gonna get any tablet, it would be an amazon one. amazon own lovefilm...
[10:45] <DJones> I don't use things like lovefilm, so that wouldn't be a benefit to me, as I like Android, google own motorola now so could make sense
[10:47] <DJones> The xoom itself looks nice
[10:47] <DJones> As an example http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/motorola-xoom-tablet-pc-32gb-09752543-pdt.html
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> the xoom is _heavy_ though
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> compared to my Kindle :)
[10:48] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: The ipad is heavy in comparison to a kindle
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: sure
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> but people still use it as an e-book reader
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> I don't know how they do it, with the retina-burning brightness
[10:48] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: infact a paper back book is heavy in comparison to the kindle
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: depends on the book
[10:50] <davmor2> war and piece, gone with the wind, lord of the rings, the last harry potter take your pick :D
[10:50] <DJones> ipad 2 is 601g, xoom is 730g, new kindle is 170g, kindle keyboard is 240g
[10:50] <DJones> Kindles are in a different league weight wise
[10:51] <DJones> The kindle fire is 415g, but is a a much smaller screen
[10:52] <DJones> Not sure whether a 130g difference between the ipad & xoom would be that noticable
[10:52] <bigcalm> If you're holding it for a long time, it would be
[10:53] <bigcalm> Even with my 3rd gen Kindle, I notice the weight after a while
[10:53] <bigcalm> I wonder if needs charging up :)
[10:54] <DJones> Galaxy Tab 1.1 os 590g
[10:54] <bigcalm> Nope :D
[10:54] <DJones> s/os/is/
[10:55] <bigcalm> When I gave my Kindle to my Mum to play with, the 1st thing she did was to try and swipe the screen :S
[10:55] <directhex> bigcalm, kindle touch!
[10:55] <Guest31871> stupid nickserv
[10:55] <Guest31871> stupid irc bouncer
[10:56] <davmor2> Guest31871: muhahahahaha gord irc hates you hate it back works for me
[10:57] <Guest31871> stupid everything
[10:57] <popey> bigcalm: everyone does that :D
[11:00] <bigcalm> But she doesn't even have a touch interface phone
[11:00] <shauno> I think the trick is to be nicer to your mom, and get her a real ipad
[11:00] <bigcalm> Most strange
[11:00] <bigcalm> She and Hayley won't use them. Both say that they prefer books
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> strange people
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> Book + train = broken book (especially hardcover books are very breakable)
[11:01] <gord> kindle + plane = broken kindle (for me, once, amazon were great and sent me a new one though)
[11:02] <bigcalm> Trains are why 98% of my book collection are paperbacks
[11:02] <DJones> The number of books I read (especially on holiday), I'd use up my luggage allowance just with them
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Trains are why I bought a Sony PRS-600 2 years ago, and a new Kindle is on its way to me atm :)
[11:03] <shauno> most planes are designed to crush souls.  I'm rarely surprised when there's a little collateral damage
[11:04] <bigcalm> The sun is shining. I thought the forecast was for misery once more?
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> The Sun is misery, isn't it?
[11:04] <bigcalm> Ah, that's this afternoon :)
[11:05] <gord> its definitely getting colder, i can tell because i am apparently wearing socks toda
[11:05] <gord> today*
[11:06] <bigcalm> The nights are still uncomfortable up here
[11:07] <davmor2> gord: welcome back dude
[11:09] <davmor2> gord: just socks,  Man you really need to think about wearing clothes before joining the channel ;)
[11:10] <gord> working from home does have its benefits
[11:10] <bigcalm> I'm surprised that I wear as much clothing as I do
[11:10] <bigcalm> Working in your slippers is nice though :)
[11:58] <DJones> This is disappointing http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42300/no-kindle-fire-touch-uk
[11:59] <oimon> DJones: wow
[12:01] <shauno> odd that they say amazon haven't given a reason, when we already know what it is
[12:01] <popey> pffft
[12:01] <popey> they just want to stop people waiting for the fire
[12:01] <popey> to get people to buy the current models
[12:02] <oimon> i thought the reason was the USA is the primary market for amazon and everybody else just has to lump it
[12:03] <shauno> the fire is android-based, but locked down to amazon's app store.  which isn't in the UK yet, as I understand it
[12:03] <oimon> too far for the poor bytes to travel
[12:04] <shauno> since they're being sold at a loss atm, zero sense putting it into markets where they're not going to recoup the losses thru the appstore
[12:04] <DJones> There's also rumours of a larger screen kindle fire due out next year
[12:04] <shauno> oimon, if only it was that simple.  our bytes run on a different voltages to theirs :p
[12:04] <oimon> and they have a funny accent
[12:05] <DJones> Maybe the uk will get that as a first option with the amazon app store
[12:07] <DJones> The more I read reviews, the one that gets the best overall reviews looks to be the motorola xoom
[12:22] <oimon> i think i just have to get the new cheap kindle £89 one
[12:22] <oimon> wife's bday is this week
[12:38] <DJones> I would struggle to justify a kindle as an ebook ready alone when a tablet can do so much more, although price is an important issue if all you want to do is read books/magazines etc
[12:41] <oimon> she's dyslexic and for some reason finds it easier to read on a kindle/tablet than a white page
[12:45] <oimon> interesting: "The Court of Justice holds that national legislation which prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards is contrary to the freedom to provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums."
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> Not that I'd WANT to buy Sky from the Netherlands... :)
[12:55] <oimon> i wonder what this means for live internet streaming
[12:57] <JGJones> DJones, I could justify a kindle as a ebook alone providing the cost is low enough. I do have a tablet, but the Kindle is far much easier to read. The difference of display is quite large. My father have one while I have a tablet. Obviously I'm using the tablet + kindle app a lot, but when I visit my dad's, I prefer reading on his Kindle.
[13:01] <DJones> JGJones: I've got a reasonable phone which I use for ebook reading at the minute, so the cost of a pure ebook reader compared to already having that would be against the kindle alone
[13:02] <gord> reading on the kindle is sooo nice,
[13:02] <JGJones> I'll buy a kindle - under £50. £89 still too high for me :)
[13:02] <gord> just wish the page refresh was faster, i hear the new one is
[13:03] <davmor2> gord: it is indeed,  my wife loves hers
[13:03] <gord> davmor2, is the new one all touchy feely?
[13:03] <gord> not really looked at it much, but they removed the keyboard so it must be surely?
[13:03] <oimon> the new one is not touch screen AFAIK
[13:04] <davmor2> gord: hers is the mark 3 not the new one
[13:04] <davmor2> she had it for xmas
[13:04] <oimon> and uses virtual keyboard navigated by the directional pad
[13:05] <gord> well thats made me not want it :(
[13:05] <gord> davmor2, which one is the one i have?
[13:05] <gord> i think i got it this time last year
[13:08] <oimon> davmor2: does she use the keyboard nmuch?
[13:08] <davmor2> oimon: yeap to search for books
[13:08] <oimon> to buy? or search on her device
[13:11] <oimon> the battery life on the new kindle is half as much. probably related to the weight reduction
[13:12] <hamitron> the £90 one?
[13:12] <oimon> hamitron: yes, go to http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kindle-Wi-Fi-6-Ink-Display/dp/B0051QVF7A and view the section on compare kindles
[13:12] <hamitron> heh, I tend to ignore the advertising
[13:13] <hamitron> ;)
[13:13] <hamitron> marketing crap is always the best case
[13:13] <oimon> however it's X/2 now
[13:13] <hamitron> my biggest question, is how pictures look on the screen
[13:14] <hamitron> £90 is almost tempting
[13:14] <oimon> mono pics?
[13:14] <hamitron> well, any
[13:14] <hamitron> mono and colour
[13:14] <hamitron> :)
[13:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am liking the new Ubuntu Polo Shirts... http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=879
[13:14] <JGJones> Interesting...only just heard that latest version of Gnome ship with a new file manager called Emperor - http://code.jollybox.de/emperor.xhtml
[13:17] <hamitron> grrrr
[13:18] <hamitron> internet seems to be slowing down
[13:18] <hamitron> last week just seems insanely slow when accessing stuff in the US
[13:19] <oimon> haven't had that problem since 1997
[13:20] <hamitron> I can't even get 128kbps radio streams working fully atm
[13:22] <oimon> microsoft have officially killed the zune!
[13:23] <hamitron> is that the music thingy?
[13:23] <oimon> yeah, still never seen a real one
[13:23]  * hamitron neither
[13:29] <JGJones> me too...not even in shops.
[13:30] <oimon> someone gave one to my brother but he couldn't download the software for windows because he was outside the US
[13:30] <oimon> i dare say it would have worked under ubunt
[13:30] <davmor2> JGJones: it's not shipped yet it might ship in the version coming out in march/april time
[14:35]  * GirlyGirl thinks Atharva is about to say something
[14:35] <Atharva> Hi...I have a switchable graphics laptop with AMD Radeon HD 6470 and Intel Sandy Bridge. And after I installed ati restricted drivers it crashed to terminal.How to recover it ? Any Ideas ?
[14:38] <Atharva> GirlyGirl : No one to answer..
[14:39] <GirlyGirl> Atharva: Maybe later, Uk comes online in the night hours
[14:39] <Azelphur> Atharva: first thing to do is to look at the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:39] <oimon> room has been quiet today
[14:39] <oimon> wonder if #ati might help?
[14:40] <Azelphur> If you install Ubuntu, then you install xubuntu-desktop, is there any way to remove all the gnome specific/ubuntu stuff?
[14:40] <Azelphur> I have 2 keyboard configuration applications, for example.
[14:43] <Myrtti> there used to be a way, but I think it's outdated by now
[14:45] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[14:46] <Azelphur> phew that's a lot of packages
[14:46] <Azelphur> hopefully nothing will break :p
[14:46] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: It won't I've done it many times
[14:46] <Azelphur> yea but I'm on 11.10 :(
[14:47] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: but to be safe after you remove do an install for xubuntu-desktop
[14:47] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: Ah that might cause trouble!
[14:47] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:47] <Azelphur> I'm gonna have to find lots of packages that no doubt have changed names :p
[14:48] <oimon> isn't it easier to ..gasp..install xubuntu?
[14:49] <Azelphur> oimon: reinstall my entire OS? :(
[14:49] <oimon> do you normally upgrade every sixmonths?
[14:49] <Azelphur> I wanted to try XFCE, now I want to switch to it, reinstalling the whole OS isn't really fun
[14:49] <Azelphur> yea, I usually keep up with release cyclecs
[14:49] <Azelphur> cycles*
[14:49] <oimon> reinstall OS only became a bad thing since microsoft made it so bad
[14:49] <oimon> i use kickstart to reinstall OS of my users all the time.
[14:50] <Azelphur> yea, I could reinstall and I do have separate /home, but I don't wanna D:
[14:50] <oimon> the more u do it, the more streamline your process becomes :D
[14:50] <theashman> is there a way to specify that a process should be low priority?
[14:51] <bigcalm> nice
[14:51] <bigcalm> !nice
[14:51] <oimon> !renice
[14:52] <theashman> tyvm
[14:52] <bigcalm> yw :)
[14:58] <AlanBell>  http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=14 tshirts \o/
[15:00] <gord> hrm, i never did get my ocelot t-shirt :(
[15:02] <MooDoo> i still wear my maverick t-shirt :D
[15:02] <AlanBell> hardy shirt ftw
[15:03]  * Azelphur was clever and bought a generic Ubuntu logo tshirt :p
[15:05] <Monsterwizard> awesome
[15:05] <Monsterwizard> btw, is 11:10 going to be a LTS edition
[15:05] <GirlyGirl> Monsterwizard: No
[15:06] <theashman> 12.04 be next LTS?
[15:06] <oimon> i have a kubuntu tshirt woops
[15:06] <Monsterwizard> damn it D:
[15:06] <oimon> !LTS
[15:06] <oimon> !releases
[15:06] <oimon> theashman: yes :P
[15:07] <Monsterwizard> has anyone gone to a ubuntu uk meeting?
[15:07] <GirlyGirl> oimon: Since Windows NT, I never had a reinstall problem with microsoft
[15:07] <AlanBell> yes Monsterwizard
[15:07] <theashman> Anyone going to the Leeds meeting?
[15:07] <Monsterwizard> interesting I'm thinking of going to one
[15:08] <GirlyGirl> Who is going to the release party of 11.10
[15:08] <AlanBell> I am going to the London one
[15:08] <oimon> GirlyGirl: windows stores stuff in registry etc that it's impossible to backup. linux allows you to keep your home dir
[15:09] <ikonia> Any of you UK guys have a UK contact that works with perspex ? cutting for example ?
[15:09] <GirlyGirl> oimon: Possible to backup, its somewhere in sys32.... not saying windows is better but since NT it is better than people give it credit for
[15:09] <Monsterwizard> a
[15:10] <oimon> GirlyGirl: i have to disagree. performing a clean install of MS OS *will* mean you lose app settings
[15:11] <AlanBell> !windows
[15:13] <AlanBell> GirlyGirl: as you asked the question, are you going to a release party?
[15:13] <GirlyGirl> AlanBell: I don't think so London is far fo me
[15:13] <AlanBell> Leeds is the other one on the day
[15:13] <AlanBell> and then we have the Happy Hour tour going all over the place
[15:16] <GirlyGirl> AlanBell: Leeds is even more distant!
[15:17] <theashman> But Leeds is awesome
[15:17] <Monsterwizard> Leeds is...rough
[15:17] <Monsterwizard> :P
[15:17] <theashman> Haha. Only a little...
[15:18] <theashman> Just stick to well lit areas and you'll be safe
[15:19] <Monsterwizard> Bristol is too
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Leeds is "t'oop north"
[15:20] <GirlyGirl> AlanBell: But obviously you're going, aren't you the event organiser?
[15:22] <Azelphur> got a USB drive, deleted some files off it, it's moved them into the .Trash-1000 directory, and I can't delete this directory :/
[15:22] <Azelphur> but I need the space on the USB drive free'd up, suggestions?
[15:22] <theashman> TheOpenSourcerer: Nowt wrong wi it up 'ere...
[15:22] <theashman> </terrible attempt at yorkshire speak>
[15:23] <theashman> Azelphur: empty the wastebasket
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> theashman: Your dialect works for me ;-)
[15:23] <Azelphur> ah, I think there's something weird going on, it says error deleting fat entry beyond EOF in dmesg, and puts the filesystem into read only
[15:23]  * DJones gives TheOpenSourcerer some ferrets to stick down his trousers
[15:23] <Azelphur> I guess I'll format it
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourusbstick ?
[15:25] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: hehe, format is easy enough too
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[15:38] <Monsterwizard> lol awesome name TheOpenSourcer
[15:39] <oimon> anyone tried fedora 16 yet?
[15:41] <Monsterwizard> yes
[15:41] <Monsterwizard> I couldn't use the wireless driver
[15:41] <Monsterwizard> D:
[15:41] <Monsterwizard> for my acer
[15:41] <Monsterwizard> apart from that...it's alright
[15:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks Monsterwizard I like yours too
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I thought of it walking to the pub on a sunny evening
[15:50] <oimon> Monsterwizard: still no minimize button on fedora i see
[15:50] <Monsterwizard> oh and that
[15:50] <Monsterwizard> What desktop environment are you using?
[15:50] <oimon> which proves an insane person made it
[15:50] <oimon> gnome2+docky
[15:51] <Monsterwizard> ahh yes
[15:51] <Monsterwizard> does your wireless card work ok?
[15:52] <oimon> on fedora? i tried it on a desktop pc via usb stick. i didn't like what i saw so i didn't install it
[15:52] <Monsterwizard> ah
[15:54] <gr33npeace> morning all, the countdown site isn't showing the countdown for me!  http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[15:54] <gr33npeace> the rest of the page loads, but no countdown appears!  anyone else seeing that?
[15:55] <AlanBell> the countdown is javascript based
[15:56] <gr33npeace> AlanBell: yup, and javascript is enabled for all sites
[15:56] <gr33npeace> I'm behind a proxy, could that be it?
[16:02] <kirrus> gr33npeace: if the proxy is interferring with javascript, possibly :)
[16:03] <Azelphur_> Just installed xubuntu fresh, trying to run apt-get update but I get lots of W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-backports/universe/i18n/Translation-en  Something wicked happened resolving 'None:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[16:04] <Azelphur_> various different urls, all the same messages, about 50 or so times, any ideas?
[16:05] <jpds> Azelphur_: No address associated with hostname
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> looks like a botched proxy config
[16:06] <jpds> Azelphur_: Something wrong with your DNS.
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> or dns
[16:06] <Azelphur_> why is it even trying to resolve "none:http"? my /etc/apt/sources.list is fine
[16:06] <Azelphur_> jpds: if there was something wrong with my DNS I wouldn't be online talking to you :P
[16:06] <Azelphur_> my DNS is fine
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: have you checked /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[16:06] <jpds> Azelphur_: host gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:06] <Azelphur_> MartijnVdS: empty directory
[16:07] <Azelphur_> jpds: gb.archive.ubuntu.com has address 194.169.254.10
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list?
[16:07] <gr33npeace> kirrus: is that likely!?  :)  I had no idea... rest of the page loads fine!  very strange
[16:07] <Azelphur_> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/Sd4hNyBm
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: looks fine...
[16:08] <Azelphur_> indeed :(
[16:08] <Azelphur_> I am on a daily, maybe this daily is just broken
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: nah then it's be broken for me too
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> it'd*
[16:09] <Azelphur_> *shrug*
[16:09] <Azelphur_> It tried to run do-release-upgrade too, which also errors
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: is there proxy info in your environment?
[16:10] <Azelphur_> MartijnVdS: I didn't set any up, if there is where would it be?
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: try "printenv | grep -i proxy" first
[16:10] <Azelphur_> MartijnVdS: nothing
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur_: and in the proxy config dialog?
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> for your user
[16:11] <Azelphur_> http://pastebin.com/KDbwX5K0 is the error I get from do-release-upgrade, kinda interesting that it's also trying to resolve "none"
[16:11]  * MartijnVdS has no idea, maybe popey (the proxy man) recognises the error
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> it also uses apt
[16:11] <Azelphur_> MartijnVdS: not sure where that is
[16:12] <AlanBell> I have seen that error when I didn't have a dns server set
[16:12] <AlanBell> did sudo dhclient and it picked it up
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> can you check in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> if there's something defining a proxy
[16:13] <davmor2> http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/
[16:13] <davmor2> hahahaaaa
[16:13] <AlanBell> have you installed apt-squid-proxy-client or similar
[16:13] <Azelphur_> this is a fresh installation, I havn't installed anything
[16:13] <Azelphur_> MartijnVdS: no mention of proxy in that directory (either in the files, or file names)
[16:15] <davmor2> AlanBell: popey: czajkowski: http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/  and the winner of satirical countdown banner goes too
[16:15] <AlanBell> http://thisisntthecountdown.com/
[16:16] <Azelphur_> Guess I'll try installing beta 2, see if that gets me anywhere
[19:17] <Azelphur> hmm, I seem to have killed my flash player. :(
[19:18] <mgdm> that'd be fine, if you managed to kill everyone else's at the same time
[19:18] <Azelphur> true story
[19:18]  * Azelphur just uses youtube html5 for now
[19:19] <diplo> Anyone else have issues with messages not being sent with Empathy on MSN network ?
[19:20] <diplo> Been happening over different versions
[19:20] <brobostigon> i have been getting that every so often in bitlbee aswell.
[19:22] <Azelphur> brobostigon: that would be unrelated, bitlbee uses it's own protocol code (although recently it's been adapted to have libpurple support, but still nothing to do with telepathy :p)
[19:22] <diplo> Works fine with pidgin always
[19:22] <brobostigon> Azelphur: good point, yes.
[19:22] <diplo> It's always Empathy that fails :/
[19:22] <diplo> Not just me as well
[19:59] <Azelphur> Anyone care to help me figure out why flash isn't working? I've installed the flashplugin-downloader package, but no flash in either chromium or fireofx
[20:01] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: Maybe downloader did not finish the install?
[20:01] <Azelphur> if it did, it didn't say so
[20:02] <dwatkins> Azelphur: have you tried starting the browser from the commandline to see if it writes any errors there?
[20:02] <dwatkins> also, which browser?
[20:03] <Azelphur> dwatkins: chrome and firefox, and no flash related errors I can see :(
[20:04] <dwatkins> chrome has its own flash
[20:04] <Azelphur> sorry, chromium
[20:04] <dwatkins> ah ok
[20:04] <dwatkins> what do you see where a flash animation should be, Azelphur?
[20:04] <Azelphur> the usual "Go install flash player" thing
[20:04] <Azelphur> and flash player is not in about:plugins
[20:05] <Azelphur> dwatkins: hmm just went to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
[20:05] <mgdm> Chrome has its own Flash *if you're on 32-bit*
[20:06] <Azelphur> and it says "Missing flash?" "For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash. Please upgrade to the latest version."
[20:06] <dwatkins> what does "about:plugins" say, Azelphur?
[20:06] <dwatkins> (in firefox)
[20:07] <Azelphur> just icedtea
[20:07] <dwatkins> flash isn't installed, or it's not been detected by the browser
[20:07] <Azelphur> yea, I gathered that much myself :p
[20:08] <dwatkins> dpkg thinks it is?
[20:08] <Azelphur> yep
[20:08] <dwatkins> I installed "flashplugin-installer" on my old Ubuntu 10.10 box, I don't know what your package does.
[20:09] <GirlyGirl> bye
[20:09] <dwatkins> A+
[20:10] <Azelphur> dwatkins: fixed it by removing all the flash player packages and installing flashplugin-installer again :D
[20:10] <dwatkins> hooray
[20:10] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:11] <diplo-> For a beta, Oneric is buggy as shite
[20:11] <Azelphur> diplo-: wuss
[20:11] <Azelphur> :p
[20:11] <diplo-> Nautilus crashes what ever i do, I have had whole laptop lock up
[20:13] <mgdm> genius
[20:13] <mgdm> err, wrong window
[20:14] <davmor2> diplo-: you mean you don't do everything from TTY1 what do you think this is some sort of windows replacement or something ;)
[20:14] <diplo-> :P
[20:17] <diplo-> I've not known a beta to be this buggy tbh, Alphas yeah
[20:21] <ali1234> what about natty? that was pretty buggy
[20:22] <popey> yeah
[20:22] <popey> diplo-: ATI video card?
[20:22] <ali1234> or 8.04?
[20:22] <ali1234> how about 8.10?
[20:23] <Azelphur> or <insert thing that was once beta here>
[20:23] <ali1234> nah
[20:23] <ali1234> those releases were terrible
[20:23] <diplo-> popey, intel
[20:23] <diplo-> I didn't try Natty as I was happy on maverick
[20:23] <diplo-> during the betas that is
[20:23] <ali1234> karmic was probably the buggiest at time of release
[20:24] <diplo-> Really not for me, found it fine
[20:25] <popey> people have short memories
[20:25] <popey> well, some have very long memories too :D
[20:25] <diplo-> :)
[20:25] <ali1234> jaunty, now that was a good one
[20:25] <popey> hmm, I'm getting that "wake computer from suspend, it immediately goes back into suspend again" thing
[20:29] <ali1234> diplo-: nautilus crashing is a known bug. waiting for repos to sync for the update
[20:29] <diplo-> Cool
[20:29] <diplo-> Started working now
[20:29] <ali1234> however since it is ubuntuone related, i was not affected, due to it being the first thing i uninstall
[20:34] <diplo-> Ah i am syncing via u1 now
[20:34] <diplo-> Wondering if it was part of the issue
[20:43] <Azelphur> hmm, I seem to have lots of weird boxes in conky :(
[20:43] <Azelphur> even on plaintext output, sense this makes none D:
[21:39] <Azelphur> well this sucks, conky seems to be broken in 11.10 :(
[21:39] <Azelphur> It exhibits generally weird behaviour and prints boxes all over the place
[21:39] <Azelphur> even with an entirely fresh conkyrc which only contains very basic things
[21:41] <Laney> looks alright here
[21:42] <Azelphur> Laney: see if you get the same thing as me, make a text file and put this in it http://pastebin.com/88gWFn2N
[21:42] <Azelphur> Laney: then put ${execpi 1 cat /path/to/textfile}
[21:43] <Azelphur> and see if you get lots of weird boxes at the beginning of lines \o/
[21:58] <Seeker`> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/04/1343217/deadline-approaches-for-registration-in-stanfords-free-cs-classes <- this seems cool
[22:22] <dwatkins> Seeker`: yeah :)
[22:57] <kaushal> Hi
[22:57] <kaushal> can someone please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-October/252250.html ?
[22:59] <AlanBell> kaushal: I would try the lastest live desktop CD, a daily oneiric or something. Just to do a quick test to see if is recognised in that or not.
[22:59] <kaushal> ok
[23:00] <kaushal> AlanBell: Thanks
[23:04] <kaushal> AlanBell: do i refer to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-i386.iso ?
[23:10] <AlanBell> kaushal: yeah, I would give that a go
[23:11] <AlanBell> if it works then you know the hardware is OK and will be supported at some point, then you can decide whether to run 10.04 with hacked together drivers for it, or maybe try 11.04 server, or maybe wait a week and be bold and go for 11.10 server
[23:12] <AlanBell> if it doesn't work, then you can carry on with trying to get upstream support for the drivers
[23:13] <AlanBell> by which I mean compiling them from source or whatever
[23:14] <kaushal> AlanBell: ok
[23:14] <kaushal> understood completely
[23:15] <AlanBell> buying another network card should be an option to consider as well
[23:15] <kaushal> AlanBell: yes
[23:15] <kaushal> AlanBell: Thanks
[23:16] <kaushal> AlanBell: makes sense since it involves lot of effort
[23:16] <kaushal> not worth the time
[23:16] <AlanBell> yeah, even if it is a cheap £15 desktop card that you throw away in 6 months when the good one has supported drivers
[23:17] <kaushal> AlanBell: sure and Thanks
[23:32] <szymon_g> hi
[23:33] <szymon_g> i've got a question: since alternatecd doesn't seem to work on my pc; can i setup raid/lvm from livecd /on ubuntu 11.10 beta2/? what extra packages i have to install /on livecd session/? will i be able to setup /dev/md0 etc for mounting points /and rest on lvm/?