| mandel_ | morning all! | 08:33 |
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| JamesTait | Buongiorno a tutto! | 08:33 |
| mandel_ | Ag, my system is super unstable on O | 08:38 |
| rye | or better here, mandel, what broke in O for you? | 08:57 |
| mandel_ | rye, compiz keeps crashing all the time, and xchat too, which is weird | 08:59 |
| mandel_ | I think I'm going to move to unity 2d and forget about all this 3d crap :P | 08:59 |
| mandel_ | is not that the terminal looks better hehe | 08:59 |
| rye | mandel_, hm, are the bugs for these crashes already reported? | 09:00 |
| mandel_ | rye, don't know.. I'll try during my free time to see what is going on, right now I should be fixing our bugs hehe | 09:01 |
| rye | dobey, U1 icon is there, in the launcher on fresh install | 09:06 |
| * mandel_ coffee break | 09:12 | |
| * mandel_ back! | 09:48 | |
| mandel_ | rye, ping | 11:00 |
| rye | mandel, rye pong | 11:00 |
| mandel_ | rye, are you running O? | 11:01 |
| rye | mandel, yes! | 11:01 |
| mandel_ | rye, I have been having issues with compiz all the time crashing, is that normal, or is just my machine? | 11:02 |
| mandel_ | I have a crappy intel graphics card :( | 11:02 |
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| rye | mandel, well, this is happening to me, though i saw some discussion in #dx about the crashes. You might want to submit apport bug when it prompts you to see whether it is already reported | 11:03 |
| rye | it looks like there are a finite number of such issues and they are working on them | 11:03 |
| mandel_ | rye, ok, because is a major pain, nevertheless unity 2d works like a charm, and I really do not see the benefit of using 3d | 11:08 |
| rye | mandel, i found the window switching to be painfully slow when there are many windows of the same type | 11:09 |
| rye | mandel, other than this - awesome alternative | 11:09 |
| mandel_ | rye, I just use a single term window with lots of tabs, so is not a big issue for me :) | 11:10 |
| mandel_ | is it a holiday somewhere? I dont see the ar people :( | 11:19 |
| nessita | hello crowd! | 11:20 |
| mandel_ | nessita, morning!! | 11:21 |
| mandel_ | nessita, I finally got a real ubuntu machine to run lint etc (running lint in the mac or windows throws way to many errors) | 11:21 |
| mandel_ | nessita, so please feel free to re-review the branches I proposed, lint and pep8 should be okcay | 11:21 |
| * mandel_ goes for a little | 11:26 | |
| nessita | mandel: ack | 11:27 |
| * mandel walks dog | 11:36 | |
| gatox | hi | 11:40 |
| nessita | hi gatox | 11:41 |
| gatox | nessita, hi | 11:41 |
| nessita | gatox: shall I review again the network sso branch? | 11:42 |
| gatox | nessita, yep.... | 11:43 |
| gatox | nessita, ping... are you receiving my messages? | 12:03 |
| nessita | gatox: nopes | 12:03 |
| nessita | gatox: you seem to go out and in a lot | 12:03 |
| gatox | nessita, :S the connection at this bar is crap! | 12:04 |
| nessita | gatox: trade the good gnoquis for a better connection! :-) | 12:04 |
| ralsina | good morning! | 12:04 |
| nessita | hi ralsina | 12:12 |
| ralsina | hi nessita | 12:30 |
| ralsina | nessita: got 5' for a quick mumble? | 12:30 |
| nessita | ralsina: I can talk on a phone, but no mumble for me in the laptop :-/ | 12:31 |
| ralsina | nessita: ok, I'll call you | 12:31 |
| nessita | (and RIP the monitor) | 12:31 |
| ralsina | nessita, dobey, alecu, mandel: standup in 8' | 12:52 |
| nessita | mandel: ping | 12:54 |
| ralsina | mandel: ping ^2 | 12:58 |
| dobey | ping^N == ping | 13:00 |
| nessita | meme | 13:01 |
| nessita | memememememmmmm | 13:01 |
| nessita | ralsina, dobey? | 13:01 |
| ralsina | me | 13:01 |
| nessita | DONE: reviews, bug triage, gave a TDD talk at the university | 13:02 |
| nessita | TODO: bug #862991, bug #862540, teaching duties | 13:02 |
| nessita | BLOCKED: nopes | 13:02 |
| nessita | NEXT: ralsina | 13:02 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 862991 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Set a better title for the error dialogs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862991 | 13:02 |
| ralsina | DONE: bug triaging, worked on making u1cp a "one-instance" app, TL call TODO: finish that one, start a new one, more reviews, mgmt call BLOCKED: no | 13:02 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 862540 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Do provide a nice error message when there are issues (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862540 | 13:02 |
| ralsina | NEXT: you are all fired for missing standup | 13:02 |
| ralsina | except nessita | 13:02 |
| nessita | lol | 13:03 |
| dobey | i didn't miss it | 13:03 |
| dobey | it's right there | 13:03 |
| ralsina | ? | 13:04 |
| dobey | λ DONE: bug #804946, bug #865567 | 13:04 |
| dobey | λ TODO: finish bug #865593 | 13:04 |
| dobey | λ BLCK: None. | 13:04 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 804946 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_unref() (affects: 217) (dups: 80) (heat: 966)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804946 | 13:04 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 865567 in ubuntuone-client-gnome (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 4 other projects) "ubuntuone-client-gnome needs to install gsettings schemas (affects: 109) (dups: 10) (heat: 222)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865567 | 13:04 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 865593 in ubuntuone-client-gnome (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Ubuntu One launcher disappears on upgrade to Oneiric (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865593 | 13:04 |
| mandel | me | 13:04 |
| mandel | sorry | 13:04 |
| ralsina | np | 13:05 |
| ralsina | you are unfired | 13:05 |
| mandel | ralsina, thx! | 13:05 |
| mandel | DONE: Installe Ubuntu real Machine to ensure tests can be properly ran. Fixed lint and pep8 issues. Started a branch with the logic for checking the presence of updates. | 13:05 |
| mandel | TODO: Finish conversation about the ui for that ^. | 13:06 |
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| mandel | BLOCKED: no | 13:06 |
| nessita | mandel: can you please remind me the link to the patched keyring? the one that knows how to delete passwords | 13:06 |
| ralsina | mandel: can I put something small in your plate? A XML for updating to 2.0 | 13:06 |
| mandel | nessita, ofcourse! let me get that for you | 13:06 |
| nessita | mandel: thanks! | 13:06 |
| mandel | ralsina, yes, you can, bug number please :) | 13:06 |
| ralsina | mandel: no bug number, it's a RT | 13:06 |
| mandel | dobey, ping | 13:06 |
| mandel | ralsina, ok, so I'm guessing you want me to send the RT telling what to do for the autoupdate thing, right? | 13:07 |
| ralsina | mandel: just create the file with the correct URLs and stuff | 13:07 |
| ralsina | so I can get it uploaded | 13:07 |
| dobey | mandel: yes? | 13:08 |
| ralsina | mandel: 2.0 has a versionid of 200 | 13:08 |
| * dobey doesn't understand why people "ping" anyway | 13:08 | |
| dobey | just ask the question :P | 13:08 |
| mandel | dobey, I wanted to run the ubuntuone-windows-installer tests in a machine that does not have x, is that possible? | 13:08 |
| mandel | dobey, I ping just in case :P | 13:08 |
| dobey | doesn't have X? windows doesn't have X | 13:09 |
| mandel | dobey, is on a linux box | 13:09 |
| mandel | dobey, but there are tests that ran on linux + u1lint :P | 13:09 |
| mandel | ralsina, have we tested that the panel does not start a second time when we perform the auto-update? Do you want to test it now? | 13:10 |
| ralsina | mandel: I fixed it and tested it, but another test won't hurt | 13:10 |
| dobey | mandel: xvfb-run u1trial blah blah | 13:10 |
| mandel | dobey, thx! | 13:11 |
| nessita | mandel: did I miss the link? /me is confused | 13:11 |
| mandel | nessita, no, you did not, my multitasking is terrible :( | 13:11 |
| mandel | nessita, there you go: https://bitbucket.org/mandel/pykeyring-delete-password | 13:12 |
| nessita | mandel: you have probab;y an HT processor | 13:12 |
| nessita | mandel: ah, I was hoping you can remind me the ubuntuone public file, that was already compiled | 13:12 |
| mandel | nessita, oh, I can get you that too, i though you wanted the code, let me get that form one.ub* | 13:13 |
| nessita | mandel: thanks! | 13:13 |
| mandel | nessita, nad I really think my brain is a first generation ARM at most, you know those ones final year students design :P | 13:14 |
| mandel | ralsina, I write the RT andfoward it to you first so that you can ensure I make sense :) | 13:14 |
| mandel | nessita, I believe this is the one you are after: http://ubuntuone.com/6fkY1IvG7LNmvqKjXDFtYL | 13:16 |
| ralsina | mandel: there is a RT already, just do the file and I'll pas it on | 13:16 |
| mandel | ralsina, oh, I understood had to do everything, sure on it | 13:18 |
| mandel | ralsina, do you have the url where the client is usually uploaded? | 13:19 |
| ralsina | mandel: this one is in https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release I think | 13:19 |
| mandel | ralsina, I mean, is just the normal url, or are we having mirrors etc. | 13:20 |
| mandel | ok, then I'll get it from the web | 13:20 |
| ralsina | just the url | 13:21 |
| nessita | mandel: that is a lib.win32-2.7.zip file... I think I want a keyring.zip file, no? | 13:22 |
| ralsina | nessita: that bitbucket url, you can get the tar.gz and just do a python setup.py install | 13:23 |
| nessita | ralsina: ah, ok, thanks | 13:23 |
| mandel | nessita, unzip it and you will find the keyring one you want | 13:24 |
| alecu | good morning.... :P | 13:24 |
| ralsina | good EVENING | 13:24 |
| ralsina | ;-) | 13:24 |
| mandel | nessita, if you try what rasinal says, remember you need vs2008 tools installed and you might have issues with the compilation | 13:24 |
| mandel | ralsina, version string 2.0.0, right? | 13:26 |
| mandel | version id 200, is that correct, we are jumping directly to 2? | 13:26 |
| ralsina | mandel: yes, | 13:27 |
| alecu | DONE: worked on the server-time sync branches, refactoring the first one (storage protocol) to be used in the control panel branch | 13:28 |
| alecu | TODO: finish all 5 of them (storage-protocol, sso, sd, u1cp, u1wi) and review/merge them at once, since they depend on each other. | 13:28 |
| alecu | BLOCKED: no | 13:28 |
| mandel | ralsina, sent | 13:29 |
| ralsina | mandel: cool | 13:29 |
| ralsina | mandel: did you test it? ;-) | 13:29 |
| mandel | ralsina, that one, no, let me update in my server and test with those details, give me 5 min | 13:30 |
| ralsina | mandel: thanks. That way I can just send it to the RT and not be scared | 13:30 |
| mandel | ralsina, sure, no problem :) | 13:31 |
| mandel | ralsina, a very important detail, in this new .exe the update.ini has 200 s the versionId, right? | 13:31 |
| ralsina | mandel: let me re-check | 13:32 |
| mandel | ralsina, should be aoutgenerated from the version id that you provide to the tool that generates the .exe | 13:32 |
| ralsina | version_id = 200 yes | 13:32 |
| mandel | \o/ | 13:32 |
| dobey | can someone give a quick second review of https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-gnome/gsettings-is-evil/+merge/78002 please? | 13:36 |
| mandel | ralsina, seems that the update is downloading, so far so good :) | 13:43 |
| ralsina | mandel: good :-) | 13:43 |
| mandel | ralsina, bad news, got an error during the download, where is the file being served from? | 13:46 |
| ralsina | mandel: somewhere in our servers | 13:46 |
| nessita | alecu, mandel: we're having a couple of users reporting that file sync is not happening, and in the logs I; ve seen: | 13:47 |
| nessita | I/O operation on closed file | 13:47 |
| nessita | alecu, mandel: you have some time to debug? can we skype? | 13:47 |
| ralsina | nessita: I have seen that happen when there are two copies of syncdaemon running | 13:47 |
| alecu | nessita, do you have the bug report? | 13:47 |
| mandel | nessita, yes, I have seen one of those and spoke with verterok about it, do we have logs? | 13:47 |
| ralsina | bug #863691 | 13:47 |
| ubot4 | ralsina: Error: Bug #863691 not found. | 13:47 |
| nessita | alecu: this is one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/863398 | 13:47 |
| ubot4 | nessita: Error: Bug #863398 not found. | 13:47 |
| ralsina | mandel: clientid://719da179fc09b792e31a2fe531163f20302192d0 | 13:47 |
| ralsina | argh | 13:48 |
| mandel | nessita, let me finish helping ralsina first, then I can skype, is that ok? | 13:48 |
| mandel | ralsina, la puta! | 13:48 |
| alecu | ralsina, that's weird. Tcp activation should not allow two copies of sd to run at once, since they would try to open the same tcp port | 13:48 |
| nessita | alecu: and I have another one I just diagnosed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-windows-installer/+bug/865059 | 13:48 |
| ubot4 | nessita: Error: Bug #865059 not found. | 13:48 |
| mandel | ralsina, try this: https://one.ubuntu.com/download/windows/client/ubuntuone-2.0-windows-installer.exe | 13:48 |
| ralsina | alecu: yes, but if you are quick, it seems to happen | 13:48 |
| ralsina | mandel: why? That's not the right URL | 13:49 |
| mandel | ralsina, which one is it? | 13:49 |
| ralsina | mandel: the URL is https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release :-) | 13:49 |
| mandel | ralsina, I have a no found for https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release/ubuntuone-2.0-windows-installer.exe | 13:54 |
| ralsina | mandel: The problem is that it's without filename | 13:54 |
| nessita | ralsina, alecu: if we can have 2 syncdaemon working at the same time, we have some potential serious issue | 13:55 |
| nessita | ralsina, alecu: having 2 syncdaemons running can easily corrupt metadata, for instance | 13:55 |
| nessita | not to mention file conflicts :-/ | 13:55 |
| ralsina | nessita: agreed | 13:55 |
| mandel | ralsina, but we need the file name, that is what the updater does, is a wget https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release/ubuntuone-2.0-windows-installer.exe | 13:55 |
| ralsina | mandel: let me check the docs a bit | 13:55 |
| mandel | ralsina, so we have to point to https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/, that looks weird, but I can try | 13:56 |
| mandel | ralsina, let me try | 13:56 |
| nessita | alecu, ralsina: shall we skype about this? I know ralsina has the management call soon... | 13:56 |
| alecu | nessita, ralsina: I can't imagine the control panel starting two copies of syncdaemon at once. | 13:56 |
| mandel | alecu, I have seen two instances running in my vm, I promise! | 13:56 |
| alecu | give me 5 mins and we can skype | 13:56 |
| nessita | alecu: sure | 13:56 |
| ralsina | mandel: let me test it but I think you can just not put a filename there | 13:57 |
| mandel | ralsina, it will get confused because it supports diff os.. i'm trying just naming it release, lets see what happens.. | 13:58 |
| ralsina | mandel: how about using "release" as filename :-) | 13:58 |
| ralsina | haha | 13:58 |
| mandel | ralsina, the beauty of irc and lags hehehe | 13:58 |
| mandel | ralsina, no, it does not do the trick | 13:59 |
| mandel | ralsina, I'm guessing that the guys in the server side are not serving this in a static manner, right? | 13:59 |
| ralsina | mandel: ok, so we need to put the installer in a place that has the filename in it | 14:00 |
| ralsina | mandel: I think they are, yes | 14:00 |
| ralsina | mandel: it's an apache rewrite to a static file, I think | 14:00 |
| mandel | ralsina, so, what we need is the actual location and file name, otherwise the thing cannot download it :( | 14:00 |
| mandel | ralsina, can you ask them, and we can do the tests asap :) | 14:01 |
| ralsina | mandel: ok, good to know, I will change the RT to do that, but don't expect it too soon | 14:01 |
| mandel | nessita, I can do the skype in 5/10 mins is that ok | 14:01 |
| mandel | ralsina, ok, let me know and I'll test as soon as you let me knoe | 14:02 |
| mandel | know* | 14:02 |
| ralsina | mandel: sure | 14:02 |
| nessita | mandel: I think is ok, I guess ralsina may have the management call but we catch him up later | 14:02 |
| ralsina | I am in the mgmt call, yes | 14:02 |
| mandel | nessita, ok, I'll ping you as soon as I'm back, I will not take long | 14:04 |
| nessita | ack | 14:04 |
| alecu | nessita, are we using mumble or skype? | 14:04 |
| nessita | alecu: skype, I have only my laptop available since my monitor died | 14:05 |
| alecu | nessita, sorry about that :-( | 14:05 |
| nessita | son rachas | 14:06 |
| alecu | nessita, you have probably tried deleting .config/Mumble/Mumble.conf, right? that seems to fix mumble for me when it decides to stop working. | 14:07 |
| nessita | alecu: yeah, I tried everything, I even sat next to tom haddon and he ran out of ideas | 14:07 |
| nessita | alecu: though... | 14:08 |
| nessita | alecu: IT WORKED NOW | 14:08 |
| nessita | alecu: you just left :-) (sorry for not trying sonner) | 14:08 |
| alecu | it seems it just broke for me, trying to enter again :P | 14:09 |
| mandel | nessita, we can skype now if you want :) | 14:11 |
| nessita | mandel: can you enter mumble please? | 14:12 |
| mandel | nessita, oh, mumble, I though it was skype, sure going | 14:12 |
| * mandel kills skype | 14:12 | |
| dobey | speaking of mumble | 14:17 |
| dobey | ralsina, Chipaca: when are we having the longer mumble call? | 14:17 |
| ralsina | dobey: how about thursday? | 14:17 |
| dobey | ralsina: at 1300Z again? | 14:20 |
| dobey | or 1400? | 14:21 |
| ralsina | dobey: any preferences? | 14:21 |
| dobey | either of those is fine with me. i don't have to take kids to kinder or doctor or anything :) | 14:21 |
| nessita | mandel, alecu: syncdaemon.log.2011-10-03_14-57-17 | 14:24 |
| ralsina | dobey: but you have cars to buy thingamajigs for :-) | 14:25 |
| ralsina | dobey, alecu, Chipaca, thisfred, mandel, nessita: I have mailed invitation for a longish mumble on thursday | 14:25 |
| mandel | nessita, alecu: http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/25031-logging-shutdown-valueerror-i-o-operation-closed-file | 14:26 |
| ralsina | please let me know if the time is not convenient or anything? | 14:26 |
| dobey | ralsina: and they get delivered straight to my door. though i'm happy to take breaks from hacking to go work on cars :P | 14:26 |
| mandel | alecu, nessita: can ignore the close IO issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue6333 | 14:26 |
| mandel | is not us | 14:27 |
| ralsina | mandel: really???? | 14:27 |
| nessita | mandel: the error is not on logging | 14:27 |
| ralsina | I am done with the mgmt call if you guys still need me in mumble | 14:28 |
| statik | CardinalFang_, pfibiger: hi to the stardusters | 14:32 |
| pfibiger | statik: you're dead to us. | 14:33 |
| pfibiger | not really. we miss you :) we'll pour out some french fries from a pint glass in your honor. | 14:33 |
| statik | heh | 14:33 |
| CardinalFang_ | statik, hi hi. Our network is fickle today. I shouldn't be blaming you, I guess! ...I'm still going to, though. | 14:34 |
| statik | CardinalFang_, the net is rickety up here as well | 14:34 |
| mandel | alecu, nessita, ralsina: FYI => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/867550 | 14:42 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 867550 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Underlying C++ is removed when SD tris to execute a callback (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:42 |
| mandel | I'll assign gatox, is that ok? | 14:42 |
| ralsina | mandel: could it be something very silly like "control panel was closed before the callback was triggered"? | 14:43 |
| ralsina | mandel: yes, assign gatox | 14:43 |
| alecu | nessita, "Configure -> Settings -> Audio Input -> PTT Audio cue: check!" | 14:56 |
| dobey | nobody wants to review my branch? :( | 14:58 |
| mandel | alecu, nessita, ralsina FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/867567 | 15:00 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 867567 in ubuntuone-client "The _path_is_dir function in file system notifications on windows is broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] | 15:00 |
| dobey | lunch time, bbiab | 15:15 |
| ralsina | gotta break for lunch + banks | 15:25 |
| ralsina | be back in about 90 minutes | 15:25 |
| alecu | nessita, mandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702298/ | 15:33 |
| * mandel EOD | 15:54 | |
| mandel | ralsina, FYI I'll be working on bug #867567 and cleaning logs in that file | 15:54 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 867567 in ubuntuone-client "The _path_is_dir function in file system notifications on windows is broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867567 | 15:54 |
| nessita | lunchtime! | 16:12 |
| === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch | ||
| akgraner | Interview: Roberto Alsina, Manager for the Ubuntu One Desktop Engineering Team in Online Services at Canonical - http://is.gd/JZu5c7 | 16:27 |
| facundobatista | nessita, have a friend with fully updated natty, that sees "2GB free" in the control panel... shouldn't that be 5GB? | 16:35 |
| nessita | facundobatista: what version does he have? 2.0.0 should show 5no gig at all | 16:36 |
| nessita | facundobatista: ah, wait, natty | 16:36 |
| nessita | facundobatista: we're SRUing that, so no fix yet | 16:36 |
| facundobatista | nessita, she has 1.0.0 | 16:36 |
| facundobatista | nessita, ok, thanks | 16:37 |
| nessita | facundobatista: we're SRUing that, so is "expected" | 16:37 |
| dobey | 1.0.0? | 16:48 |
| dobey | oh, c-p | 16:48 |
| dobey | so maverick? | 16:48 |
| dobey | no, that can't be right. would be natty | 16:48 |
| dobey | i guess we should just remove that label in natty too | 16:48 |
| nessita | dobey: yeah, through a SRU | 17:08 |
| nessita | dobey: you still have my review in your queue? | 17:08 |
| dobey | yes; behind the critical mess :) | 17:10 |
| facundobatista | nessita, where the debug logs are in windows? | 17:16 |
| ralsina | hello again! | 17:16 |
| facundobatista | ralsina, do you know where the debug logs are in windows? mandel? | 17:16 |
| ralsina | facundobatista: xp or 7? | 17:17 |
| facundobatista | lisette, xp or 7? | 17:17 |
| lisette | facundobatista: vista | 17:18 |
| facundobatista | ralsina, vista :) | 17:19 |
| dobey | ralsina: can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-gnome/evil-gsettings-2-0/+merge/78130 also? same diff as earlier, but fo stable-2-0 so i can release it to oneiric :) | 17:19 |
| ralsina | lisette, facundobatista: c:\users\<username>/Appdata/Local/xdg | 17:19 |
| ralsina | with consistent slashes though | 17:19 |
| lisette | ralsina: thanks | 17:19 |
| ralsina | dobey: checking | 17:19 |
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| lisette | ralsina: the entire xdg folder? | 17:21 |
| ralsina | lisette: probably something like cache/ubuntuone/logs | 17:22 |
| lisette | ralsina: there are 2 u1 related folders in there | 17:22 |
| * nessita -> university | 17:22 | |
| ralsina | lisette: names? | 17:22 |
| ralsina | apparently in C++ nessita has a university inside her. | 17:22 |
| lisette | ralsina: cache, with u1 stuff, and ubuntuone | 17:23 |
| ralsina | or a reference to it at least | 17:23 |
| ralsina | lisette: cache it is | 17:23 |
| lisette | ralsina: 7zip gives me a whole bunch of errors when i try to zip cache, so i will send you the entire xdg thing if that is ok? | 17:25 |
| ralsina | lisette: sure | 17:25 |
| ralsina | or just look for the files with .log extenion | 17:25 |
| dobey | ralsina: you mean a pointer? | 17:25 |
| ralsina | dobey: yeah | 17:26 |
| ralsina | but she obviously doesn't have a hunting dog in her! | 17:26 |
| * ralsina is sleepy | 17:27 | |
| * ralsina misses coffee | 17:28 | |
| ralsina | dobey: +1 | 17:28 |
| dobey | thanks | 17:29 |
| alecu | ralsina, ping | 18:25 |
| ralsina | alecu: pong | 18:25 |
| alecu | ralsina, I don't know how you sent the calendar invitation, but it's very awkward to get it into calendar.google.com | 18:26 |
| ralsina | alecu: really? | 18:26 |
| alecu | ralsina, plus that event does not show up there either. | 18:26 |
| ralsina | alecu: ok, then let's just say "hey, alecu, mumble on thursday!" ;-) | 18:26 |
| alecu | ralsina, at what time ART? | 18:26 |
| ralsina | alecu: it may have something to do with the latest change about multiaccounts and such | 18:26 |
| alecu | oh, right. | 18:27 |
| ralsina | alecu: 11 | 18:27 |
| ralsina | is it your kinder time? I can move it | 18:27 |
| alecu | ralsina, no, I can budget that time, no problem. | 18:27 |
| ralsina | alecu: cool | 18:27 |
| alecu | ralsina, for how long? | 18:27 |
| ralsina | less than 1 hour | 18:27 |
| alecu | (estimates are fine) | 18:27 |
| alecu | oh, ok. | 18:27 |
| alecu | ralsina, I've manually added it to the website... can you please check if it shows up there for you? | 18:32 |
| alecu | ralsina, you should get a mail about it. | 18:33 |
| ralsina | alecu: got it | 18:33 |
| ralsina | alecu: you did get my email, right? | 18:33 |
| ralsina | I have both | 18:33 |
| ralsina | deleting mine, just in case | 18:34 |
| alecu | ralsina, I got one email from you, but it looked as if it was sent by some email or calendar client, and not sent from calendar.google.com | 18:34 |
| ralsina | alecu: that is really weird | 18:34 |
| ralsina | oh, well. It's ok now | 18:34 |
| alecu | ralsina, well, it looked really short and it did not have any links to calendar.google.com... | 18:35 |
| alecu | ralsina, but now, looking at the mail source it clearly says: "Sender: Google Calendar <calendar-notification@google.com>" | 18:36 |
| ralsina | alecu: I have no other calendar thing, so :-) | 18:36 |
| alecu | ralsina, so, does the invite I just sent have any links to the web? | 18:36 |
| ralsina | yes | 18:36 |
| alecu | ralsina, then perhaps it's because I've set the event to the "Online services" calendar that everybody has access to? | 18:37 |
| ralsina | could be | 18:37 |
| alecu | ok, let's nevermind. | 18:38 |
| moonshadow | Is there seriously no way to publish a whole folder? | 20:21 |
| dobey | moonshadow: not currently, no, we don't do public folders | 20:22 |
| moonshadow | any particular reasons? an equivalent effect is possible by publishing the files seperately... | 20:23 |
| moonshadow | It seems the files API allows publishing files as well, so the effect can somehow be emulated, if that's the right word. | 20:26 |
| moonshadow | Seems odd to have a plugin for this though, since sharing folders works just fine? | 20:26 |
| dobey | you can publish individual files, yes | 20:26 |
| dobey | and you can share folders to other users | 20:27 |
| dobey | but you can't publish folders, or share individual files | 20:27 |
| moonshadow | what's the reasoning behind not publishing folders? | 20:27 |
| nhaines | They probably don't have a web infrastructure set up for it. | 20:28 |
| dobey | i don't remember. | 20:28 |
| nhaines | heh | 20:28 |
| nhaines | Well, can't get more honest than that. :) | 20:28 |
| moonshadow | well, the web URLs are garbled somehow. http://ubuntuone.com/5MMzDAEUpRJXsoFHM1f5DF | 20:29 |
| moonshadow | would be nicer with ubuntuone.com/username/pub/file, but i guess that's not to be. | 20:31 |
| moonshadow | I can partly understand why it's not wanted that people host websites from ubuntuone, but it's a shame that the competition does it. | 20:31 |
| moonshadow | anyway, good luck to ubuntu-one, gratz on the windows client. | 20:32 |
| nhaines | moonshadow: the old URLS were ubuntu.one.com/p/1234 which was kind of nice. | 20:32 |
| nhaines | But the scrambling is a security thing to keep sequential files from being found. I guess? | 20:32 |
| dobey | the web urls aren't garbled. they're unique. and not particularly guessable | 20:32 |
| moonshadow | what's the point in hiding sequential /published/ files? | 20:32 |
| moonshadow | or making then unguessable? | 20:33 |
| moonshadow | I don't suppose I can change anything by getting involved, since U1 is partly commercial? | 20:33 |
| dobey | because some people want to make a file public, and not have the world see it, but only a few people they give the URL to | 20:33 |
| nhaines | moonshadow: don't get me wrong... I wish I could share a folder on the Web too. :) | 20:33 |
| moonshadow | that's what sharing is for. | 20:33 |
| dobey | you can file feature requests on bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers if you want | 20:33 |
| moonshadow | as in, sharing folders. | 20:33 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: you *could* do a small script that creates the equivalent | 20:33 |
| dobey | moonshadow: sharing folders only works when sharing to people who have accounts | 20:34 |
| moonshadow | I don't, it just makes me sad that some of the best features of dropbox get lost on u1. | 20:34 |
| dobey | we aren't dropbox | 20:34 |
| moonshadow | ralsina, difficult and ugly with the scrambled URLs. | 20:34 |
| moonshadow | I know, but the services are very similar, are they not. | 20:34 |
| dobey | i really wish people would stop comparing us to dropbox | 20:34 |
| dobey | not really | 20:34 |
| dobey | we are a whole lot more | 20:34 |
| moonshadow | and a bit less. | 20:34 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: not really, I think I have a script to do that somewhere | 20:35 |
| nhaines | APIs *just* got released... for a long time, it was basically file and couchdb syncing and not a lot more. | 20:35 |
| * dobey goes back to working on stuff; not in the mood for pensive jabs | 20:35 | |
| moonshadow | ralsina, i don't like links in my HTML that i can't tell where they go | 20:35 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: hmmm there is a way around that too :-) | 20:35 |
| moonshadow | no offense meant, dobey. good luck with whatever you'Re working on. | 20:35 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: u1.to | 20:35 |
| moonshadow | ralsina, how so? | 20:35 |
| nhaines | moonshadow: well, U1 isn't a short URL service, so any ubuntuone.com access is content, at least. | 20:36 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: warning, experimental stuff inside ;-) | 20:36 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: for example, http://u1.to/ralsina/J/slides.zip is hosted in ubuntu one | 20:37 |
| dobey | i don't understand why people don't host their web sites, on *gasp* their web site. | 20:37 |
| ralsina | dobey: because having your own website is dangerous, time consuming and generally not fun? | 20:38 |
| moonshadow | the same reason that they don't use FTP servers and sync deamons (daemons?) to sync files? | 20:38 |
| dobey | ralsina: and hosting your site via some file sync service is somehow *easier* than throwing some files in a directory on a server? | 20:39 |
| moonshadow | also, it doesn't make much sense to get a hoster for a site that will be accessed by few people sporadically at best. | 20:39 |
| ralsina | dobey: actually yes | 20:39 |
| moonshadow | dobey, i should say so! | 20:39 |
| dobey | ralsina: people need educated in how to manage web sites then | 20:39 |
| moonshadow | why bother, if the scope is so small? | 20:39 |
| * ralsina has his first one-friday project it seems | 20:39 | |
| moonshadow | ralsina, what project? I'm interested... | 20:40 |
| nhaines | Ooh, it works! http://u1.to/nhaines/0/nhaines-ubuntu-square-256.jpg | 20:40 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: I had a script to create image galleries out of a folder in u1 | 20:40 |
| ralsina | nhaines: isn't it pretty? | 20:40 |
| nhaines | ralsina: pretty cool. :) | 20:40 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: I could make it actually useful ;-) | 20:40 |
| moonshadow | :) | 20:41 |
| nhaines | I agree, using U1 to host a folder would be really nice. | 20:41 |
| nhaines | Hopefully, U1 for Windows will let me share folders and get some of that functionality. | 20:41 |
| ralsina | nhaines: share, sure! Just sends you to the website ;-) | 20:42 |
| moonshadow | I'm mainly thinking about this - a tiny pure-html site to let ppl access old minecraft worlds from my sever: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3566401/ygg.html | 20:42 |
| dobey | scope is so small? just because i could do it, doesn't mean i use a sledgehammer to insert the screws that hold my desk together | 20:42 |
| nhaines | ralsina: not that mounting a folder on my webhost using sftp wouldn't be as easy. ;P | 20:42 |
| moonshadow | not really worth renting/buying a server for is it | 20:42 |
| dobey | maybe the web world just needs real tools | 20:42 |
| moonshadow | and u1 could be one! | 20:42 |
| dobey | "unzip some crap in your web host" is evil | 20:42 |
| moonshadow | exactly. the sledgehammer is a fullblown server to host some nails. | 20:42 |
| dobey | proper tools | 20:42 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: I pay U$S 4.56 monthly for my webserver, mind you ;-) | 20:42 |
| ralsina | dobey: there is a real need for "hey, I put all these thigns in a folder, I want people to have access to it" | 20:43 |
| moonshadow | I pay 0$ a amonth for a ubuntu one account. | 20:43 |
| nhaines | ralsina: I pay $2.10 monthly for my webserver. :) | 20:43 |
| dobey | i am pretty sure that setting your domain as a CNAME to dropbox won't get you a shiny web site from your files in dropbox | 20:43 |
| ralsina | nhaines: oh, but are you root in it? ;-) | 20:43 |
| moonshadow | no, i don' | 20:43 |
| moonshadow | t want a shiny website | 20:43 |
| moonshadow | i want a tiny HTML file to make the access to two 7z archives nicer. | 20:44 |
| nhaines | moonshadow: actually for your use, u1.to would be perfect. | 20:44 |
| moonshadow | with images. | 20:44 |
| moonshadow | who offers the service? | 20:44 |
| moonshadow | I don't like to give out details... | 20:44 |
| dobey | geocities | 20:44 |
| ralsina | u1.to? It's done by chipaca | 20:44 |
| moonshadow | dobey, geocities went out of business, didn't it? | 20:44 |
| moonshadow | who's chipaca? | 20:44 |
| ralsina | Chipaca == my boss | 20:45 |
| dobey | http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/gas/index.html <- that works | 20:45 |
| moonshadow | who are you then | 20:45 |
| ralsina | hmmmm.... ok, let's start from the beginning :-) | 20:45 |
| beuno | ralsina is dobey's boss | 20:45 |
| moonshadow | i had a site with geocities once. it was traumatizing. | 20:45 |
| ralsina | hi moonshadow! I am Roberto Alsina, I work on U1 desktop :-) | 20:45 |
| moonshadow | i don't remember you could do html code. | 20:45 |
| moonshadow | also, I don't want to login to some crappy webinterface and have a window upload | 20:46 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: the only available tags were blink and marquee :-) | 20:46 |
| moonshadow | when i could just save the file in a folder and be done. | 20:46 |
| dobey | beuno: you got that backwards :) | 20:46 |
| * ralsina re-checks the orgchart | 20:46 | |
| moonshadow | nice to meet you, Roberto/Mr. Alsina :) | 20:46 |
| nhaines | beuno: and who are you? ;) | 20:47 |
| dobey | ralsina: the org chart is way off :P | 20:47 |
| moonshadow | I'm an innocent bystander! (who would like to replace dropbox with ubuntu one) | 20:47 |
| beuno | nhaines, Chipaca is also my boss! | 20:47 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: come back on monday and I will tell you exactly how to do what you want :-) | 20:48 |
| moonshadow | so you think it's safe for me to give my account details to u1.to? | 20:48 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: I think so, yes | 20:48 |
| moonshadow | Thanks for the opinion. I'll give it a try :) | 20:48 |
| nhaines | It must be worth a try :) | 20:49 |
| nhaines | If you don't like it, you can remove u1.to access at one.ubuntu.com on your account page. | 20:49 |
| moonshadow | yea, but better to not grant it at all if it's not trustworthy :) | 20:49 |
| moonshadow | it still has my name and email. | 20:50 |
| nhaines | Of course. :) | 20:50 |
| moonshadow | do the checkmarks actually do anything? it asked for access to three things, email usename and another i can't remember | 20:50 |
| moonshadow | and i put a check in front of username but not the other two | 20:50 |
| moonshadow | well, u1.to seems to work nicely enough. thanks! | 20:51 |
| ralsina | my pleasure! | 20:51 |
| nhaines | moonshadow: hope it all works out. :) | 20:52 |
| moonshadow | so do I! | 20:52 |
| moonshadow | it's a bit painful though. I guess I'll migrate all private stuff to U1 and keep the public crap on dropbox. | 20:53 |
| ralsina | EOD for me. As usual, I will do a review or two at night so feel free to ask by email | 20:53 |
| moonshadow | and then hope for my wish to come true :) | 20:53 |
| ralsina | moonshadow: Hopefully! | 20:53 |
| moonshadow | If I really wanted to attemt to make this real, and were willing to put up some work for it as well, do you think it would be possible? | 20:54 |
| moonshadow | while still staying a private person and anonymous? | 20:54 |
| nhaines | Hmm, perhaps, but it's fairly traditional to use real names in open source. You could make up an alias. :) | 20:55 |
| nhaines | But we just have to take you on your word that you're who say say you are, moonshadow (if that's your real name!). | 20:55 |
| dobey | i'm not quite sure in what sense you mean in terms of "make this real, and willing to put up some work for it" | 20:56 |
| moonshadow | actually, might be a bad idea. | 20:56 |
| moonshadow | usually with most open source stuff, you can implement the stuff yourself, test a bit, document a bit, and then push it or do a pull request | 20:57 |
| nhaines | Tyupcally. | 20:57 |
| moonshadow | i don't suppose this works here, with the partially-proprietary nature | 20:57 |
| * nhaines is going to kill his keyboard today. | 20:57 | |
| moonshadow | i don't suppose anyone gets the source to the server software? | 20:57 |
| nhaines | Not that I've ever heard of. u1.to uses the public API. | 20:57 |
| dobey | employees | 20:57 |
| moonshadow | so is it possible to push this through without becoming an employee. | 20:58 |
| moonshadow | I do use my name in open source, mostly, but sometimes i like to stay anonymous. | 20:58 |
| moonshadow | I love my unaffiliated cloak :) | 20:58 |
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| dobey | later all | 21:23 |
| nhaines | dobey: \o_ | 21:24 |
| moonshadow | bye! | 21:24 |
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