[08:33] <mandel_> morning all!
[08:33] <JamesTait> Buongiorno a tutto!
[08:38] <mandel_> Ag, my system is super unstable on O
[08:57] <rye> or better here, mandel, what broke in O for you?
[08:59] <mandel_> rye, compiz keeps crashing all the time, and xchat too, which is weird
[08:59] <mandel_> I think I'm going to move to unity 2d and forget about all this 3d crap :P
[08:59] <mandel_> is  not that the terminal looks better hehe
[09:00] <rye> mandel_, hm, are the bugs for these crashes already reported?
[09:01] <mandel_> rye, don't know.. I'll try during my free time to see what is going on, right now I should be fixing our bugs hehe
[09:06] <rye> dobey, U1 icon is there, in the launcher on fresh install
[09:12]  * mandel_ coffee break
[09:48]  * mandel_ back!
[11:00] <mandel_> rye, ping
[11:00] <rye> mandel, rye pong
[11:01] <mandel_> rye, are you running O?
[11:01] <rye> mandel, yes!
[11:02] <mandel_> rye, I have been having issues with compiz all the time crashing, is that normal, or is just my machine?
[11:02] <mandel_> I have a crappy intel graphics card :(
[11:03] <rye> mandel, well, this is happening to me, though i saw some discussion in #dx about the crashes. You might want to submit apport bug when it prompts you to see whether it is already reported
[11:03] <rye> it looks like there are a finite number of such issues and they are working on them
[11:08] <mandel_> rye, ok, because is a major pain, nevertheless unity 2d works like a charm, and I really do not see the benefit of using 3d
[11:09] <rye> mandel, i found the window switching to be painfully slow when there are many windows of the same type
[11:09] <rye> mandel, other than this - awesome alternative
[11:10] <mandel_> rye, I just use a single term window with lots of tabs, so is not a big issue for me :)
[11:19] <mandel_> is it a holiday somewhere? I dont see the ar people :(
[11:20] <nessita> hello crowd!
[11:21] <mandel_> nessita, morning!!
[11:21] <mandel_> nessita, I finally got a real ubuntu machine to run lint etc (running lint in the mac or windows throws way to many errors)
[11:21] <mandel_> nessita, so please feel free to re-review the branches I proposed, lint and pep8 should be okcay
[11:26]  * mandel_ goes for a little
[11:27] <nessita> mandel: ack
[11:36]  * mandel walks dog
[11:40] <gatox> hi
[11:41] <nessita> hi gatox
[11:41] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:42] <nessita> gatox: shall I review again the network sso branch?
[11:43] <gatox> nessita, yep....
[12:03] <gatox> nessita, ping... are you receiving my messages?
[12:03] <nessita> gatox: nopes
[12:03] <nessita> gatox: you seem to go out and in a lot
[12:04] <gatox> nessita, :S the connection at this bar is crap!
[12:04] <nessita> gatox: trade the good gnoquis for a better connection! :-)
[12:04] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:12] <nessita> hi ralsina
[12:30] <ralsina> hi nessita
[12:30] <ralsina> nessita: got 5' for a quick mumble?
[12:31] <nessita> ralsina: I can talk on a phone, but no mumble for me in the laptop :-/
[12:31] <ralsina>  nessita: ok, I'll call you
[12:31] <nessita> (and RIP the monitor)
[12:52] <ralsina> nessita, dobey, alecu, mandel: standup in 8'
[12:54] <nessita> mandel: ping
[12:58] <ralsina> mandel: ping ^2
[13:00] <dobey> ping^N == ping
[13:01] <nessita> meme
[13:01] <nessita> memememememmmmm
[13:01] <nessita> ralsina, dobey?
[13:01] <ralsina> me
[13:02] <nessita> DONE: reviews, bug triage, gave a TDD talk at the university
[13:02] <nessita> TODO: bug #862991, bug #862540, teaching duties
[13:02] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:02] <nessita> NEXT: ralsina
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 862991 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Set a better title for the error dialogs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862991
[13:02] <ralsina> DONE: bug triaging, worked on making u1cp a "one-instance" app, TL call TODO: finish that one, start a new one, more reviews, mgmt call BLOCKED: no
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 862540 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Do provide a nice error message when there are issues (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862540
[13:02] <ralsina> NEXT: you are all fired for missing standup
[13:02] <ralsina> except nessita
[13:03] <nessita> lol
[13:03] <dobey> i didn't miss it
[13:03] <dobey> it's right there
[13:04] <ralsina> ?
[13:04] <dobey> λ DONE: bug #804946, bug #865567
[13:04] <dobey> λ TODO: finish bug #865593
[13:04] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[13:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 804946 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_unref() (affects: 217) (dups: 80) (heat: 966)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804946
[13:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865567 in ubuntuone-client-gnome (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 4 other projects) "ubuntuone-client-gnome needs to install gsettings schemas (affects: 109) (dups: 10) (heat: 222)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865567
[13:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865593 in ubuntuone-client-gnome (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Ubuntu One launcher disappears on upgrade to Oneiric (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865593
[13:04] <mandel> me
[13:04] <mandel> sorry
[13:05] <ralsina> np
[13:05] <ralsina> you are unfired
[13:05] <mandel> ralsina, thx!
[13:05] <mandel> DONE: Installe Ubuntu real Machine to ensure tests can be properly ran. Fixed lint and pep8 issues. Started a branch with the logic for checking the presence of updates.
[13:06] <mandel> TODO: Finish conversation about the ui for that ^.
[13:06] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[13:06] <nessita> mandel: can you please remind me the link to the patched keyring? the one that knows how to delete passwords
[13:06] <ralsina> mandel: can I put something small in your plate? A XML for updating to 2.0
[13:06] <mandel> nessita, ofcourse! let me get that for you
[13:06] <nessita> mandel: thanks!
[13:06] <mandel> ralsina, yes, you can, bug number please :)
[13:06] <ralsina> mandel: no bug number, it's a RT
[13:06] <mandel> dobey, ping
[13:07] <mandel> ralsina, ok, so I'm guessing you want me to send the RT telling what to do for the autoupdate thing, right?
[13:07] <ralsina> mandel: just create the file with the correct URLs and stuff
[13:07] <ralsina> so I can get it uploaded
[13:08] <dobey> mandel: yes?
[13:08] <ralsina> mandel: 2.0 has a versionid of 200
[13:08]  * dobey doesn't understand why people "ping" anyway
[13:08] <dobey> just ask the question :P
[13:08] <mandel> dobey, I wanted to run the ubuntuone-windows-installer tests in a machine that does not have x, is that possible?
[13:08] <mandel> dobey, I ping just in case :P
[13:09] <dobey> doesn't have X? windows doesn't have X
[13:09] <mandel> dobey, is on a linux box
[13:09] <mandel> dobey, but there are tests that ran on linux + u1lint :P
[13:10] <mandel> ralsina, have we tested that the panel does not start a second time when we perform the auto-update? Do you want to test it now?
[13:10] <ralsina> mandel: I fixed it and tested it, but another test won't hurt
[13:10] <dobey> mandel: xvfb-run u1trial blah blah
[13:11] <mandel> dobey, thx!
[13:11] <nessita> mandel: did I miss the link? /me is confused
[13:11] <mandel> nessita, no, you did not, my multitasking is terrible :(
[13:12] <mandel> nessita, there you go: https://bitbucket.org/mandel/pykeyring-delete-password
[13:12] <nessita> mandel: you have probab;y an HT processor
[13:12] <nessita> mandel: ah, I was hoping you can remind me the ubuntuone public file, that was already compiled
[13:13] <mandel> nessita, oh, I can get you that too, i though you wanted the code, let me get that form one.ub*
[13:13] <nessita> mandel: thanks!
[13:14] <mandel> nessita, nad I really think my brain is a first generation ARM at most, you know those ones final year students design :P
[13:14] <mandel> ralsina, I write the RT andfoward it to you first so that you can ensure I make sense :)
[13:16] <mandel> nessita, I believe this is the one you are after: http://ubuntuone.com/6fkY1IvG7LNmvqKjXDFtYL
[13:16] <ralsina> mandel: there is a RT already, just do the file and I'll pas it on
[13:18] <mandel> ralsina, oh, I understood  had to do everything, sure on it
[13:19] <mandel> ralsina, do you have the url where the client is usually uploaded?
[13:19] <ralsina> mandel: this one is in https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release I think
[13:20] <mandel> ralsina, I mean, is just the normal url, or are we having mirrors etc.
[13:20] <mandel> ok, then I'll get it from the web
[13:21] <ralsina> just the url
[13:22] <nessita> mandel: that is a lib.win32-2.7.zip file... I think I want a keyring.zip file, no?
[13:23] <ralsina> nessita: that bitbucket url, you can get the tar.gz and just do a python setup.py install
[13:23] <nessita> ralsina: ah, ok, thanks
[13:24] <mandel> nessita, unzip it and you will find the keyring one you want
[13:24] <alecu> good morning.... :P
[13:24] <ralsina> good EVENING
[13:24] <ralsina> ;-)
[13:24] <mandel> nessita, if you try what rasinal says, remember you need vs2008 tools installed and you might have issues with the compilation
[13:26] <mandel> ralsina, version string 2.0.0, right?
[13:26] <mandel> version id 200, is that correct, we are jumping directly to 2?
[13:27] <ralsina> mandel: yes,
[13:28] <alecu> DONE: worked on the server-time sync branches, refactoring the first one (storage protocol) to be used in the control panel branch
[13:28] <alecu> TODO: finish all 5 of them (storage-protocol, sso, sd, u1cp, u1wi) and review/merge them at once, since they depend on each other.
[13:28] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[13:29] <mandel> ralsina, sent
[13:29] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[13:29] <ralsina> mandel: did you test it? ;-)
[13:30] <mandel> ralsina, that one, no, let me update in my server and test with those details, give me 5 min
[13:30] <ralsina> mandel: thanks. That way I can just send it to the RT and not be scared
[13:31] <mandel> ralsina, sure, no problem :)
[13:31] <mandel> ralsina, a very important detail, in this new .exe the update.ini has 200 s the versionId, right?
[13:32] <ralsina> mandel: let me re-check
[13:32] <mandel> ralsina, should be aoutgenerated from the version id that you provide to the tool that generates the .exe
[13:32] <ralsina> version_id = 200 yes
[13:32] <mandel> \o/
[13:36] <dobey> can someone give a quick second review of https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-gnome/gsettings-is-evil/+merge/78002 please?
[13:43] <mandel> ralsina, seems that the update is downloading, so far so good :)
[13:43] <ralsina> mandel: good :-)
[13:46] <mandel> ralsina, bad news, got an error during the download, where is the file being served from?
[13:46] <ralsina> mandel: somewhere in our servers
[13:47] <nessita> alecu, mandel: we're having a couple of users reporting that file sync is not happening, and in the logs I; ve seen:
[13:47] <nessita> I/O operation on closed file
[13:47] <nessita> alecu, mandel: you have some time to debug? can we skype?
[13:47] <ralsina> nessita: I have seen that happen when there are two copies of syncdaemon running
[13:47] <alecu> nessita, do you have the bug report?
[13:47] <mandel> nessita, yes, I have seen one of those and spoke with verterok about it, do we have logs?
[13:47] <ralsina> bug #863691
[13:47] <ubot4> ralsina: Error: Bug #863691 not found.
[13:47] <nessita> alecu: this is one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/863398
[13:47] <ubot4> nessita: Error: Bug #863398 not found.
[13:47] <ralsina> mandel: clientid://719da179fc09b792e31a2fe531163f20302192d0
[13:48] <ralsina> argh
[13:48] <mandel> nessita, let me finish helping ralsina first, then I can skype, is that ok?
[13:48] <mandel> ralsina, la puta!
[13:48] <alecu> ralsina, that's weird. Tcp activation should not allow two copies of sd to run at once, since they would try to open the same tcp port
[13:48] <nessita> alecu: and I have another one I just diagnosed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-windows-installer/+bug/865059
[13:48] <ubot4> nessita: Error: Bug #865059 not found.
[13:48] <mandel> ralsina, try this: https://one.ubuntu.com/download/windows/client/ubuntuone-2.0-windows-installer.exe
[13:48] <ralsina> alecu: yes, but if you are quick, it seems to happen
[13:49] <ralsina> mandel: why? That's not the right URL
[13:49] <mandel> ralsina, which one is it?
[13:49] <ralsina> mandel: the URL is https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release :-)
[13:54] <mandel> ralsina, I have a no found for https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release/ubuntuone-2.0-windows-installer.exe
[13:54] <ralsina> mandel: The problem is that it's without filename
[13:55] <nessita> ralsina, alecu: if we can have 2 syncdaemon working at the same time, we have some potential serious issue
[13:55] <nessita> ralsina, alecu: having 2 syncdaemons running can easily corrupt metadata, for instance
[13:55] <nessita> not to mention file conflicts :-/
[13:55] <ralsina> nessita: agreed
[13:55] <mandel> ralsina, but we need the file name, that is what the updater does, is a wget https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/release/ubuntuone-2.0-windows-installer.exe
[13:55] <ralsina> mandel: let me check the docs a bit
[13:56] <mandel> ralsina, so we have to point to https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/, that looks weird, but I can try
[13:56] <mandel> ralsina, let me try
[13:56] <nessita> alecu, ralsina: shall we skype about this? I know ralsina has the management call soon...
[13:56] <alecu> nessita, ralsina: I can't imagine the control panel starting two copies of syncdaemon at once.
[13:56] <mandel> alecu, I have seen two instances running in my vm, I promise!
[13:56] <alecu> give me 5 mins and we can skype
[13:56] <nessita> alecu: sure
[13:57] <ralsina> mandel: let me test it but I think you can just not put a filename there
[13:58] <mandel> ralsina, it will get confused because it supports diff os.. i'm trying just naming it release, lets see what happens..
[13:58] <ralsina> mandel: how about using "release" as filename :-)
[13:58] <ralsina> haha
[13:58] <mandel> ralsina, the beauty of irc and lags hehehe
[13:59] <mandel> ralsina, no, it does not do the trick
[13:59] <mandel> ralsina, I'm guessing that the guys in the server side are not serving this in a static manner, right?
[14:00] <ralsina> mandel: ok, so we need to put the installer in a place that has the filename in it
[14:00] <ralsina> mandel: I think they are, yes
[14:00] <ralsina> mandel: it's an apache rewrite to a static file, I think
[14:00] <mandel> ralsina, so, what we need is the actual location and file name, otherwise the thing cannot download it :(
[14:01] <mandel> ralsina, can you ask them, and we can do the tests asap :)
[14:01] <ralsina> mandel: ok, good to know, I will change the RT to do that, but don't expect it too soon
[14:01] <mandel> nessita, I can do the skype in 5/10 mins is that ok
[14:02] <mandel> ralsina, ok, let me know and I'll test as soon as you let me knoe
[14:02] <mandel> know*
[14:02] <ralsina> mandel: sure
[14:02] <nessita> mandel: I think is ok, I guess ralsina may have the management call but we catch him up later
[14:02] <ralsina> I am in the mgmt call, yes
[14:04] <mandel> nessita, ok, I'll ping you as soon as I'm back, I will not take long
[14:04] <nessita> ack
[14:04] <alecu> nessita, are we using mumble or skype?
[14:05] <nessita> alecu: skype, I have only my laptop available since my monitor died
[14:05] <alecu> nessita, sorry about that :-(
[14:06] <nessita> son rachas
[14:07] <alecu> nessita, you have probably tried deleting .config/Mumble/Mumble.conf, right? that seems to fix mumble for me when it decides to stop working.
[14:07] <nessita> alecu: yeah, I tried everything, I even sat next to tom haddon and he ran out of ideas
[14:08] <nessita> alecu: though...
[14:08] <nessita> alecu: IT WORKED NOW
[14:08] <nessita> alecu: you just left :-) (sorry for not trying sonner)
[14:09] <alecu> it seems it just broke for me, trying to enter again :P
[14:11] <mandel> nessita, we can skype now if you want :)
[14:12] <nessita> mandel: can you enter mumble please?
[14:12] <mandel> nessita, oh, mumble, I though it was skype, sure going
[14:12]  * mandel kills skype
[14:17] <dobey> speaking of mumble
[14:17] <dobey> ralsina, Chipaca: when are we having the longer mumble call?
[14:17] <ralsina> dobey: how about thursday?
[14:20] <dobey> ralsina: at 1300Z again?
[14:21] <dobey> or 1400?
[14:21] <ralsina> dobey: any preferences?
[14:21] <dobey> either of those is fine with me. i don't have to take kids to kinder or doctor or anything :)
[14:24] <nessita> mandel, alecu: syncdaemon.log.2011-10-03_14-57-17
[14:25] <ralsina> dobey: but you have cars to buy thingamajigs for :-)
[14:25] <ralsina> dobey, alecu, Chipaca, thisfred, mandel, nessita: I have mailed invitation for a longish mumble on thursday
[14:26] <mandel> nessita, alecu: http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/25031-logging-shutdown-valueerror-i-o-operation-closed-file
[14:26] <ralsina> please let me know if the time is not convenient or anything?
[14:26] <dobey> ralsina: and they get delivered straight to my door. though i'm happy to take breaks from hacking to go work on cars :P
[14:26] <mandel> alecu, nessita: can ignore the close IO issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue6333
[14:27] <mandel> is not us
[14:27] <ralsina> mandel: really????
[14:27] <nessita> mandel: the error is not on logging
[14:28] <ralsina> I am done with the mgmt call if you guys still need me in mumble
[14:32] <statik> CardinalFang_, pfibiger: hi to the stardusters
[14:33] <pfibiger> statik: you're dead to us.
[14:33] <pfibiger> not really. we miss you :) we'll pour out some french fries from a pint glass in your honor.
[14:33] <statik> heh
[14:34] <CardinalFang_> statik, hi hi.  Our network is fickle today. I shouldn't be blaming you, I guess!  ...I'm still going to, though.
[14:34] <statik> CardinalFang_, the net is rickety up here as well
[14:42] <mandel> alecu, nessita, ralsina: FYI => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/867550
[14:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 867550 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Underlying C++ is removed when SD tris to execute a callback (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:42] <mandel> I'll assign gatox, is that ok?
[14:43] <ralsina> mandel: could it be something very silly like "control panel was closed before the callback was triggered"?
[14:43] <ralsina> mandel: yes, assign gatox
[14:56] <alecu> nessita, "Configure -> Settings -> Audio Input -> PTT Audio cue: check!"
[14:58] <dobey> nobody wants to review my branch? :(
[15:00] <mandel> alecu, nessita, ralsina FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/867567
[15:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 867567 in ubuntuone-client "The _path_is_dir function in file system notifications on windows is broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New]
[15:15] <dobey> lunch time, bbiab
[15:25] <ralsina> gotta break for lunch + banks
[15:25] <ralsina> be back in about 90 minutes
[15:33] <alecu> nessita, mandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702298/
[15:54]  * mandel EOD
[15:54] <mandel> ralsina, FYI I'll be working on bug #867567 and cleaning logs in that file
[15:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 867567 in ubuntuone-client "The _path_is_dir function in file system notifications on windows is broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867567
[16:12] <nessita> lunchtime!
[16:27] <akgraner> Interview: Roberto Alsina, Manager for the Ubuntu One Desktop Engineering Team in Online Services at Canonical - http://is.gd/JZu5c7
[16:35] <facundobatista> nessita, have a friend with fully updated natty, that sees "2GB free" in the control panel... shouldn't that be 5GB?
[16:36] <nessita> facundobatista: what version does he have? 2.0.0 should show 5no gig at all
[16:36] <nessita> facundobatista: ah, wait, natty
[16:36] <nessita> facundobatista: we're SRUing that, so no fix yet
[16:36] <facundobatista> nessita, she has 1.0.0
[16:37] <facundobatista> nessita, ok, thanks
[16:37] <nessita> facundobatista: we're SRUing that, so is "expected"
[16:48] <dobey> 1.0.0?
[16:48] <dobey> oh, c-p
[16:48] <dobey> so maverick?
[16:48] <dobey> no, that can't be right. would be natty
[16:48] <dobey> i guess we should just remove that label in natty too
[17:08] <nessita> dobey: yeah, through a SRU
[17:08] <nessita> dobey: you still have my review in your queue?
[17:10] <dobey> yes; behind the critical mess :)
[17:16] <facundobatista> nessita, where the debug logs are in windows?
[17:16] <ralsina> hello again!
[17:16] <facundobatista> ralsina, do you know where the debug logs are in windows? mandel?
[17:17] <ralsina> facundobatista: xp or 7?
[17:17] <facundobatista> lisette, xp or 7?
[17:18] <lisette> facundobatista: vista
[17:19] <facundobatista> ralsina, vista :)
[17:19] <dobey> ralsina: can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-gnome/evil-gsettings-2-0/+merge/78130 also? same diff as earlier, but fo stable-2-0 so i can release it to oneiric :)
[17:19] <ralsina> lisette, facundobatista: c:\users\<username>/Appdata/Local/xdg
[17:19] <ralsina> with consistent slashes though
[17:19] <lisette> ralsina: thanks
[17:19] <ralsina> dobey: checking
[17:21] <lisette> ralsina: the entire xdg folder?
[17:22] <ralsina> lisette: probably something like cache/ubuntuone/logs
[17:22] <lisette> ralsina: there are 2 u1 related folders in there
[17:22]  * nessita -> university
[17:22] <ralsina> lisette: names?
[17:22] <ralsina> apparently in C++ nessita has a university inside her.
[17:23] <lisette> ralsina: cache, with u1 stuff, and ubuntuone
[17:23] <ralsina> or a reference to it at least
[17:23] <ralsina> lisette: cache it is
[17:25] <lisette> ralsina: 7zip gives me a whole bunch of errors when i try to zip cache, so i will send you the entire xdg thing if that is ok?
[17:25] <ralsina> lisette: sure
[17:25] <ralsina> or just look for the files with .log extenion
[17:25] <dobey> ralsina: you mean a pointer?
[17:26] <ralsina> dobey: yeah
[17:26] <ralsina> but she obviously doesn't have a hunting dog in her!
[17:27]  * ralsina is sleepy
[17:28]  * ralsina misses coffee
[17:28] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[17:29] <dobey> thanks
[18:25] <alecu> ralsina, ping
[18:25] <ralsina> alecu: pong
[18:26] <alecu> ralsina, I don't know how you sent the calendar invitation, but it's very awkward to get it into calendar.google.com
[18:26] <ralsina> alecu: really?
[18:26] <alecu> ralsina, plus that event does not show up there either.
[18:26] <ralsina> alecu: ok, then let's just say "hey, alecu, mumble on thursday!" ;-)
[18:26] <alecu> ralsina, at what time ART?
[18:26] <ralsina> alecu: it may have something to do with the latest change about multiaccounts and such
[18:27] <alecu> oh, right.
[18:27] <ralsina> alecu: 11
[18:27] <ralsina> is it your kinder time? I can move it
[18:27] <alecu> ralsina, no, I can budget that time, no problem.
[18:27] <ralsina> alecu: cool
[18:27] <alecu> ralsina, for how long?
[18:27] <ralsina> less than 1 hour
[18:27] <alecu> (estimates are fine)
[18:27] <alecu> oh, ok.
[18:32] <alecu> ralsina, I've manually added it to the website... can you please check if it shows up there for you?
[18:33] <alecu> ralsina, you should get a mail about it.
[18:33] <ralsina> alecu: got it
[18:33] <ralsina> alecu: you did get my email, right?
[18:33] <ralsina> I have both
[18:34] <ralsina> deleting mine, just in case
[18:34] <alecu> ralsina, I got one email from you, but it looked as if it was sent by some email or calendar client, and not sent from calendar.google.com
[18:34] <ralsina> alecu: that is really weird
[18:34] <ralsina> oh, well. It's ok now
[18:35] <alecu> ralsina, well, it looked really short and it did not have any links to calendar.google.com...
[18:36] <alecu> ralsina, but now, looking at the mail source it clearly says: "Sender: Google Calendar <calendar-notification@google.com>"
[18:36] <ralsina> alecu: I have no other calendar thing, so :-)
[18:36] <alecu> ralsina, so, does the invite I just sent have any links to the web?
[18:36] <ralsina> yes
[18:37] <alecu> ralsina, then perhaps it's because I've set the event to the "Online services" calendar that everybody has access to?
[18:37] <ralsina> could be
[18:38] <alecu> ok, let's nevermind.
[20:21] <moonshadow> Is there seriously no way to publish a whole folder?
[20:22] <dobey> moonshadow: not currently, no, we don't do public folders
[20:23] <moonshadow> any particular reasons? an equivalent effect is possible by publishing the files seperately...
[20:26] <moonshadow> It seems the files API allows publishing files as well, so the effect can somehow be emulated, if that's the right word.
[20:26] <moonshadow> Seems odd to have a plugin for this though, since sharing folders works just fine?
[20:26] <dobey> you can publish individual files, yes
[20:27] <dobey> and you can share folders to other users
[20:27] <dobey> but you can't publish folders, or share individual files
[20:27] <moonshadow> what's the reasoning behind not publishing folders?
[20:28] <nhaines> They probably don't have a web infrastructure set up for it.
[20:28] <dobey> i don't remember.
[20:28] <nhaines> heh
[20:28] <nhaines> Well, can't get more honest than that.  :)
[20:29] <moonshadow> well, the web URLs are garbled somehow. http://ubuntuone.com/5MMzDAEUpRJXsoFHM1f5DF
[20:31] <moonshadow> would be nicer with ubuntuone.com/username/pub/file, but i guess that's not to be.
[20:31] <moonshadow> I can partly understand why it's not wanted that people host websites from ubuntuone, but it's a shame that the competition does it.
[20:32] <moonshadow> anyway, good luck to ubuntu-one, gratz on the windows client.
[20:32] <nhaines> moonshadow: the old URLS were ubuntu.one.com/p/1234 which was kind of nice.
[20:32] <nhaines> But the scrambling is a security thing to keep sequential files from being found.  I guess?
[20:32] <dobey> the web urls aren't garbled. they're unique. and not particularly guessable
[20:32] <moonshadow> what's the point in hiding sequential /published/ files?
[20:33] <moonshadow> or making then unguessable?
[20:33] <moonshadow> I don't suppose I can change anything by getting involved, since U1 is partly commercial?
[20:33] <dobey> because some people want to make a file public, and not have the world see it, but only a few people they give the URL to
[20:33] <nhaines> moonshadow: don't get me wrong... I wish I could share a folder on the Web too.  :)
[20:33] <moonshadow> that's what sharing is for.
[20:33] <dobey> you can file feature requests on bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers if you want
[20:33] <moonshadow> as in, sharing folders.
[20:33] <ralsina> moonshadow: you *could* do a small script that creates the equivalent
[20:34] <dobey> moonshadow: sharing folders only works when sharing to people who have accounts
[20:34] <moonshadow> I don't, it just makes me sad that some of the best features of dropbox get lost on u1.
[20:34] <dobey> we aren't dropbox
[20:34] <moonshadow> ralsina, difficult and ugly with the scrambled URLs.
[20:34] <moonshadow> I know, but the services are very similar, are they not.
[20:34] <dobey> i really wish people would stop comparing us to dropbox
[20:34] <dobey> not really
[20:34] <dobey> we are a whole lot more
[20:34] <moonshadow> and a bit less.
[20:35] <ralsina> moonshadow: not really, I think I have a script to do that somewhere
[20:35] <nhaines> APIs *just* got released... for a long time, it was basically file and couchdb syncing and not a lot more.
[20:35]  * dobey goes back to working on stuff; not in the mood for pensive jabs
[20:35] <moonshadow> ralsina, i don't like links in my HTML that i can't tell where they go
[20:35] <ralsina> moonshadow: hmmm there is a way around that too :-)
[20:35] <moonshadow> no offense meant, dobey. good luck with whatever you'Re working on.
[20:35] <ralsina> moonshadow: u1.to
[20:35] <moonshadow> ralsina, how so?
[20:36] <nhaines> moonshadow: well, U1 isn't a short URL service, so any ubuntuone.com access is content, at least.
[20:36] <ralsina> moonshadow: warning, experimental stuff inside ;-)
[20:37] <ralsina> moonshadow: for example, http://u1.to/ralsina/J/slides.zip is hosted in ubuntu one
[20:37] <dobey> i don't understand why people don't host their web sites, on *gasp* their web site.
[20:38] <ralsina> dobey: because having your own website is dangerous, time consuming and generally not fun?
[20:38] <moonshadow> the same reason that they don't use FTP servers and sync deamons (daemons?) to sync files?
[20:39] <dobey> ralsina: and hosting your site via some file sync service is somehow *easier* than throwing some files in a directory on a server?
[20:39] <moonshadow> also, it doesn't make much sense to get a hoster for a site that will be accessed by few people sporadically at best.
[20:39] <ralsina> dobey: actually yes
[20:39] <moonshadow> dobey, i should say so!
[20:39] <dobey> ralsina: people need educated in how to manage web sites then
[20:39] <moonshadow> why bother, if the scope is so small?
[20:39]  * ralsina has his first one-friday project it seems
[20:40] <moonshadow> ralsina, what project? I'm interested...
[20:40] <nhaines> Ooh, it works!  http://u1.to/nhaines/0/nhaines-ubuntu-square-256.jpg
[20:40] <ralsina> moonshadow: I had a script to create image galleries out of a folder in u1
[20:40] <ralsina> nhaines: isn't it pretty?
[20:40] <nhaines> ralsina: pretty cool.  :)
[20:40] <ralsina> moonshadow: I could make it actually useful ;-)
[20:41] <moonshadow> :)
[20:41] <nhaines> I agree, using U1 to host a folder would be really nice.
[20:41] <nhaines> Hopefully, U1 for Windows will let me share folders and get some of that functionality.
[20:42] <ralsina> nhaines: share, sure! Just sends you to the website ;-)
[20:42] <moonshadow> I'm mainly thinking about this - a tiny pure-html site to let ppl access old minecraft worlds from my sever: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3566401/ygg.html
[20:42] <dobey> scope is so small? just because i could do it, doesn't mean i use a sledgehammer to insert the screws that hold my desk together
[20:42] <nhaines> ralsina: not that mounting a folder on my webhost using sftp wouldn't be as easy.  ;P
[20:42] <moonshadow> not really worth renting/buying a server for is it
[20:42] <dobey> maybe the web world just needs real tools
[20:42] <moonshadow> and u1 could be one!
[20:42] <dobey> "unzip some crap in your web host" is evil
[20:42] <moonshadow> exactly. the sledgehammer is a fullblown server to host some nails.
[20:42] <dobey> proper tools
[20:42] <ralsina> moonshadow: I pay U$S 4.56 monthly for my webserver, mind you ;-)
[20:43] <ralsina> dobey: there is a real need for "hey, I put all these thigns in a folder, I want people to have access to it"
[20:43] <moonshadow> I pay 0$ a amonth for a ubuntu one account.
[20:43] <nhaines> ralsina: I pay $2.10 monthly for my webserver.  :)
[20:43] <dobey> i am pretty sure that setting your domain as a CNAME to dropbox won't get you a shiny web site from your files in dropbox
[20:43] <ralsina> nhaines: oh, but are you root in it? ;-)
[20:43] <moonshadow> no, i don'
[20:43] <moonshadow> t want a shiny website
[20:44] <moonshadow> i want a tiny HTML file to make the access to two 7z archives nicer.
[20:44] <nhaines> moonshadow: actually for your use, u1.to would be perfect.
[20:44] <moonshadow> with images.
[20:44] <moonshadow> who offers the service?
[20:44] <moonshadow> I don't like to give out details...
[20:44] <dobey> geocities
[20:44] <ralsina> u1.to? It's done by chipaca
[20:44] <moonshadow> dobey, geocities went out of business, didn't it?
[20:44] <moonshadow> who's chipaca?
[20:45] <ralsina> Chipaca == my boss
[20:45] <dobey> http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/gas/index.html <- that works
[20:45] <moonshadow> who are you then
[20:45] <ralsina> hmmmm.... ok, let's start from the beginning :-)
[20:45] <beuno> ralsina is dobey's boss
[20:45] <moonshadow> i had a site with geocities once. it was traumatizing.
[20:45] <ralsina> hi moonshadow! I am Roberto Alsina, I work on U1 desktop :-)
[20:45] <moonshadow> i don't remember you could do html code.
[20:46] <moonshadow> also, I don't want to login to some crappy webinterface and have a window upload
[20:46] <ralsina> moonshadow: the only available tags were blink and marquee :-)
[20:46] <moonshadow> when i could just save the file in a folder and be done.
[20:46] <dobey> beuno: you got that backwards :)
[20:46]  * ralsina re-checks the orgchart
[20:46] <moonshadow> nice to meet you, Roberto/Mr. Alsina :)
[20:47] <nhaines> beuno: and who are you?  ;)
[20:47] <dobey> ralsina: the org chart is way off :P
[20:47] <moonshadow> I'm an innocent bystander! (who would like to replace dropbox with ubuntu one)
[20:47] <beuno> nhaines, Chipaca is also my boss!
[20:48] <ralsina> moonshadow: come back on monday and I will tell you exactly how to do what you want :-)
[20:48] <moonshadow> so you think it's safe for me to give my account details to u1.to?
[20:48] <ralsina> moonshadow: I think so, yes
[20:48] <moonshadow> Thanks for the opinion. I'll give it a try :)
[20:49] <nhaines> It must be worth a try  :)
[20:49] <nhaines> If you don't like it, you can remove u1.to access at one.ubuntu.com on your account page.
[20:49] <moonshadow> yea, but better to not grant it at all if it's not trustworthy :)
[20:50] <moonshadow> it still has my name and email.
[20:50] <nhaines> Of course.  :)
[20:50] <moonshadow> do the checkmarks actually do anything? it asked for access to three things, email usename and another i can't remember
[20:50] <moonshadow> and i put a check in front of username but not the other two
[20:51] <moonshadow> well, u1.to seems to work nicely enough. thanks!
[20:51] <ralsina> my pleasure!
[20:52] <nhaines> moonshadow: hope it all works out.  :)
[20:52] <moonshadow> so do I!
[20:53] <moonshadow> it's a bit painful though. I guess I'll migrate all private stuff to U1 and keep the public crap on dropbox.
[20:53] <ralsina> EOD for me. As usual, I will do a review or two at night so feel free to ask by email
[20:53] <moonshadow> and then hope for my wish to come true :)
[20:53] <ralsina> moonshadow: Hopefully!
[20:54] <moonshadow> If I really wanted to attemt to make this real, and were willing to put up some work for it as well, do you think it would be possible?
[20:54] <moonshadow> while still staying a private person and anonymous?
[20:55] <nhaines> Hmm, perhaps, but it's fairly traditional to use real names in open source.  You could make up an alias.  :)
[20:55] <nhaines> But we just have to take you on your word that you're who say say you are, moonshadow (if that's your real name!).
[20:56] <dobey> i'm not quite sure in what sense you mean in terms of "make this real, and willing to put up some work for it"
[20:56] <moonshadow> actually, might be a bad idea.
[20:57] <moonshadow> usually with most open source stuff, you can implement the stuff yourself, test a bit, document a bit, and then push it or do a pull request
[20:57] <nhaines> Tyupcally.
[20:57] <moonshadow> i don't suppose this works here, with the partially-proprietary nature
[20:57]  * nhaines is going to kill his keyboard today.
[20:57] <moonshadow> i don't suppose anyone gets the source to the server software?
[20:57] <nhaines> Not that I've ever heard of.  u1.to uses the public API.
[20:57] <dobey> employees
[20:58] <moonshadow> so is it possible to push this through without becoming an employee.
[20:58] <moonshadow> I do use my name in open source, mostly, but sometimes i like to stay anonymous.
[20:58] <moonshadow> I love my unaffiliated cloak :)
[21:23] <dobey> later all
[21:24] <nhaines> dobey: \o_
[21:24] <moonshadow> bye!