| GridCube | good night | 00:46 |
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| GridCube | sooo, next meeting is the 23? | 00:46 |
| GridCube | D: | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | Emm. | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | Next meeting is October 23, 22:00 UTC to elect project lead | 00:47 |
| GridCube | its not been updated on the channel topic | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca or micahg: Topic? | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | Just noticed that too | 00:47 |
| GridCube | :) i had a test today so i couldnt come | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | I missed it myself, and I can't vote at the next oen | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | You still want the tests done on your site? | 00:52 |
| Unit193 | If so, link me? | 00:52 |
| GridCube | :) | 00:54 |
| GridCube | http://gridcube.netii.net/test/XTCv2.html | 00:54 |
| GridCube | :D | 00:54 |
| GridCube | what do you think about it? | 00:54 |
| Unit193 | It's not great if I have a test finish right at 00:00 | 00:56 |
| GridCube | oh, yes... should i allow people to change the date? | 00:56 |
| GridCube | i could | 00:57 |
| Unit193 | Well, there may be problems with that, charlie is the person telling you what he needs, no? | 00:57 |
| GridCube | not really XD | 00:57 |
| Unit193 | (And yes, I have finished past 00:00 before :P ) | 00:57 |
| GridCube | he said what he wanted back in the day, since then im doing it all by myself XD | 00:57 |
| GridCube | but i need feedback to know that im doing things right | 01:00 |
| Unit193 | I had a few comments, but that's the only one I remember | 01:01 |
| GridCube | :D | 01:01 |
| GridCube | i added a way to remove duplicated entries from the admin area | 01:01 |
| GridCube | :P because there is an übber admin area | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | I've had to go and change mine before, will I be able to change my own | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | ? | 01:02 |
| GridCube | no :( | 01:03 |
| GridCube | but you can ask an admin to do it, or add a comment stating why the previous is wrong and the admin will delete it | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | Hmmm.... So I'll have to restrict my idiotness | 01:03 |
| GridCube | giving people the power to delete entries is dangerous | 01:04 |
| Unit193 | I agree, that's why I was asking about my own, but that's fine to ignore | 01:04 |
| GridCube | i could make a "password" field so people will be able to delete entries if they added a password for themselfs | 01:05 |
| Unit193 | Would that expire after 3 days? | 01:05 |
| GridCube | i don't think i know how to do that, if i do that i would be permanent | 01:06 |
| Unit193 | Alright... Might be best to talk to madnick maybe? | 01:06 |
| GridCube | maybe | 01:07 |
| Unit193 | I think those were my comments :P | 01:08 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Beta2 released | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-10-23 at 22:00 UTC - Election for Project Lead | Oneiric Ocelot images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ | ||
| Unit193 | Thank you majic fairy | 01:39 |
| Unit193 | s/j/g/ | 01:39 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 01:39 |
| GridCube | good night charlie-tca :) | 01:40 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, GridCube | 01:40 |
| GridCube | :) how are you? | 01:40 |
| charlie-tca | Doing fine, sir. And how are you? | 01:41 |
| charlie-tca | Topic change the day of the meeting? That's asking a lot ;) | 01:42 |
| Unit193 | Well, I'll wait a week or two next time ;) | 01:43 |
| GridCube | :P | 01:45 |
| GridCube | im fine, doing midterm tests this week | 01:45 |
| GridCube | :P | 01:45 |
| GridCube | today it was Automation of Information Centers, and in two days is Information Resources on Global Networks :D, gods i love my classes names | 01:46 |
| charlie-tca | They sound fun | 01:48 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: Thanks for reminding me to change the date | 01:48 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: Your welcome, but it was also GridCube | 01:49 |
| charlie-tca | I really want as much response as we can get for nominations and elections | 01:49 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: thank you too, then | 01:49 |
| GridCube | :) your welcome | 01:50 |
| GridCube | so i was talking to Unit193 about my interface :P | 01:50 |
| GridCube | and he proposed that users should be able to delete their own entries | 01:50 |
| Unit193 | Might be handy, but the day is more to look at | 01:51 |
| GridCube | so i was wondering on ways to allow poeple to delete entries by adding an extra box where they can add a "password" so if they feel the need to delete they can do it by entering said password that no one else should be able to know | 01:51 |
| charlie-tca | So, you are thinking each person that enters data would delete/change their own entries only? | 01:52 |
| GridCube | yes | 01:52 |
| GridCube | given that they fill the password fiel | 01:52 |
| GridCube | d | 01:52 |
| charlie-tca | Considering that we started with something anyone could do anything to, including changing the form itself, why not? | 01:53 |
| GridCube | dunno :) i think its a pretty good idea | 01:53 |
| charlie-tca | As long as they can not change someone elses data, I think that would be a good thing to have | 01:53 |
| GridCube | :) if you don't know other peoples password then you wouldnt be able to alter anyones else data | 01:54 |
| GridCube | I can make it happen :P but not this week, studying and all | 01:55 |
| Unit193 | Or you could do a random password to be more strong | 01:55 |
| GridCube | Unit193, i could, but people would have to remember it | 01:55 |
| GridCube | so it would make much sense | 01:55 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: Sounds good to me | 02:01 |
| GridCube | :) | 02:01 |
| charlie-tca | Make it happen when you can | 02:02 |
| GridCube | :D | 02:02 |
| GridCube | awesome | 02:02 |
| Unit193 | Make it so | 02:02 |
| GridCube | XD | 02:02 |
| GridCube | thank you for giving me this chance charlie-tca :) | 02:02 |
| charlie-tca | You are most welcome | 02:02 |
| Unit193 | I couldn't help that. You're doing great | 02:02 |
| GridCube | this is the very first time i work doing something lit this :D | 02:02 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu succeeds if people succeed | 02:03 |
| GridCube | :) | 02:03 |
| GridCube | thank you, i hope it will be useful | 02:03 |
| charlie-tca | I appreciate your efforts | 02:03 |
| GridCube | :) I appreciate your appreciation | 02:04 |
| GridCube | :P | 02:04 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks. | 02:04 |
| GridCube | well food and sleep is ahead :) | 02:04 |
| charlie-tca | We all keep trying... :) | 02:04 |
| charlie-tca | Good night, then. I am also gone very soon. | 02:05 |
| GridCube | :) see you when we see again :) | 02:05 |
| Unit193 | Reminds me. I should always remember to check NS for EMailMemos before I send one | 02:06 |
| charlie-tca | I never remember how to check for memos, so I have to hope I don't have any | 02:07 |
| Unit193 | MemoServ gives you a notice until you read it | 02:09 |
| charlie-tca | I see. | 02:25 |
| charlie-tca | Well, got to go get some sleep now. Good night. | 02:26 |
| madnick | I was thinking, all GPL'd software could technically go into Ubuntu right? It's just a question if they want it in? | 09:40 |
| knome | http://shimmerproject.org/x1110/ | 10:24 |
| knome | if anybody want to use the countdown banners, even if we didn't get them to the ubuntu servers... | 10:24 |
| knome | (the official ubuntu countdown banners aren't yet up either) | 10:24 |
| knome | pleia2, ? | 10:24 |
| Unit193 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/OneiricCountdownBanner | 10:26 |
| knome | that's just the ideas, not the actual banners that change themselves day to day in the same location | 10:27 |
| knome | well, people have added their own stuff, yeah | 10:27 |
| Unit193 | I know | 10:27 |
| knome | but before it's been on ubuntu servers | 10:27 |
| knome | http://open.knome.fi/ | 10:28 |
| knome | for usecase :P | 10:28 |
| Unit193 | http://thisisthecountdown.com/ As close as they got :P | 10:29 |
| knome | hehe | 10:31 |
| knome | wait | 10:32 |
| knome | but, eh, that's different | 10:32 |
| knome | you can't embed that to your website | 10:32 |
| Unit193 | Nope | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | Unit193: there was an Embedded one posted to planet.ubuntu.com at one point | 10:34 |
| Unit193 | Didn't know that part | 10:34 |
| davmor2 | Unit193: http://www.projblog.com/?p=3525 | 10:36 |
| Unit193 | Hmmm... That's not official though, is it? | 10:37 |
| knome | yep, but that's as unofficial as our stuff. | 10:37 |
| knome | Unit193, as i said, there is no embeddable, official, banner. | 10:37 |
| knome | Unit193, not for ubuntu, and not for xubuntu. | 10:38 |
| Unit193 | knome: Exactly, but there should be by now :/ | 10:38 |
| knome | Unit193, exactly. | 11:18 |
| Unit193 | Heh, you updated with embed code :P | 11:22 |
| knome | yeah, thought that would be nice | 12:37 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/ | 13:15 |
| madnick | :> | 13:15 |
| madnick | Finally something to put on my home page :P | 13:15 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 14:07 |
| madnick | morning :) | 14:12 |
| charlie-tca | * unseeded universe final freeze will be on Oct. 11 at 1200 UTC | 14:21 |
| madnick | not oversized anymore | 15:23 |
| madnick | :) | 15:23 |
| charlie-tca | We should thank micahg and mr_pouit for that | 15:31 |
| * micahg did nothing | 15:33 | |
| * micahg thinks it's something Ubuntu did | 15:33 | |
| charlie-tca | It's magic | 15:33 |
| charlie-tca | Our images grow and shrink by themselves, sometimes ;) | 15:34 |
| * mr_pouit did nothing either | 15:35 | |
| charlie-tca | it's magic :) | 15:36 |
| charlie-tca | dropped from 702MB to 693MB overnight | 15:37 |
| charlie-tca | We are very appreciative to whatever happened! | 15:38 |
| madnick | todays image cannot install, the live one | 15:45 |
| madnick | what does one do, about bugs like that, it will be a duplicate | 15:46 |
| madnick | should i file it anyways? | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | Is there a bug on file already? What is failing | 15:47 |
| madnick | TypeError in Ubiquity | 15:47 |
| charlie-tca | There shouldn't be any other "fail to install" open bugs, so it should not be a duplicate, unless someone opened one today | 15:48 |
| madnick | okay | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | madnick: drop into desktop and do ubuntu-bug ubiquity also it maybe worth you talking to ev and cjwatson on #installer too | 15:49 |
| madnick | okay, nothing shows up on this for "xubuntu", so ill report it | 15:49 |
| madnick | davmor2: okay :) | 15:49 |
| madnick | On the bright side, live session works nicely :) | 15:53 |
| madnick | bug 867620 | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 867620 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu failed to install, Ubiquity crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867620 | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | Will try to confirm it | 16:00 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: i've been wondering, when it says "LiveCD" does it mean live session? Or does it mean install from live session? | 16:01 |
| charlie-tca | liveCD is live session, yes | 16:01 |
| madnick | okay | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | desktop cd means install either from live session or menu of that cd | 16:02 |
| madnick | So if I fill out the testing form, it should be LiveCD = fine today, but Desktop Image = fail? | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | right | 16:02 |
| madnick | oki | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | two tests, one pass and one fail | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | knome: yeah, the countdown banners were supposed to be updated last week, nothing happened (and the thisisthecountdown.com site isn't counting down to the release, it's something else) | 16:05 |
| madnick | wow, they didn't spare the words about the Ubuntu release :P | 16:06 |
| madnick | oh | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | They have about 4 countdown url's now, and none of them are correct to the release date | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | They said at least one of them is for system76 to release a new computer, though | 16:07 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/ | 16:07 |
| madnick | hehe | 16:07 |
| madnick | I have not had anything in my apache folder for ages :P | 16:08 |
| charlie-tca | :) | 16:09 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: this is supposed to be the actual countdown site now: | 16:12 |
| charlie-tca | http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/ | 16:12 |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: nice | 16:13 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I saw that yesterday :) | 16:14 |
| charlie-tca | Unfortunately, it is not correct either, since the release is Oct 13, which really is more than 7 days | 16:14 |
| pleia2 | they aren't wrong, they just aren't counting down to release | 16:14 |
| pleia2 | I suspect they're counting down to a device, maybe some shiny ARMM thing :) | 16:14 |
| pleia2 | -M | 16:14 |
| charlie-tca | I see. | 16:15 |
| madnick | :D | 16:15 |
| charlie-tca | No one seems to really know | 16:15 |
| pleia2 | no, it's all a big secret | 16:15 |
| madnick | Ubuntu tablet :) | 16:15 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: Download updates and 3rd party software checked? | 16:15 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: nope, nothing | 16:15 |
| madnick | I figured there wont be any updates on the daily image since it was just released | 16:16 |
| charlie-tca | You didn't click to migrate data? | 16:19 |
| charlie-tca | Installing here | 16:19 |
| madnick | I did this one in virtualbox | 16:19 |
| charlie-tca | The install is working on hardware | 16:20 |
| madnick | oh | 16:20 |
| madnick | Have you got by selecting passwords? | 16:20 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 16:20 |
| charlie-tca | I am looking at the firefox/thunderbird page of the slideshow | 16:20 |
| madnick | i think it took about 3-5 minutes | 16:21 |
| madnick | then it crashed | 16:21 |
| charlie-tca | booting vbox, will try there | 16:21 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: what did you run before the installer? | 16:25 |
| madnick | nothing | 16:25 |
| madnick | I booted into the installer | 16:25 |
| madnick | directly | 16:25 |
| madnick | then after that i tried live session | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | crashed on hardware | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | Do we know if the alternate images work today? | 16:34 |
| charlie-tca | Hm, wonder if losing 9MB on the desktop images makes it fail? | 16:37 |
| Pjotr | lightdm-gtk-greeter has been updated today (fix released): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 862427 in Light Display Manager "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not set translation domain" [Medium,Fix committed] | 16:41 |
| madnick | Yeah | 16:41 |
| Pjotr | This has solved the translation problem largely, but not entirely. There are still three untranslated strings: 'Password', 'Guest Account' and 'Other...' | 16:41 |
| charlie-tca | There is a fix for the crash, should be tomorrow | 16:41 |
| Pjotr | Has this something to do with comment #3 by Sebastien Bacher, about gtkbuilder .ui? See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427/comments/3 | 16:41 |
| madnick | Pjotr: the Guest Account is hardcoded | 16:41 |
| madnick | IIRC | 16:41 |
| madnick | and Password is not translatable | 16:42 |
| Pjotr | madnick: but it should be... how can that be repaired? | 16:43 |
| madnick | The "Guest account" is tricky | 16:43 |
| madnick | ill look into it more | 16:43 |
| Pjotr | madnick: thanks! | 16:44 |
| madnick | "1, "Guest Account", | 16:44 |
| madnick | yeah | 16:44 |
| madnick | not sure how to fix that | 16:45 |
| charlie-tca | Not sure it can be, since that is a user name, isn't it? | 16:45 |
| madnick | Thing is, its not mandatory for it to show IIRC; therfor its not in theui file | 16:45 |
| madnick | Same with "Other" | 16:46 |
| madnick | but "password" is easily fixable | 16:46 |
| madnick | Pjotr: a translation file, do you have an example of one? | 16:47 |
| Pjotr | Be right back, my wife has served dinner... I'll see to it in 45minutes | 16:49 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: tomorrow's images should work | 16:56 |
| madnick | :) | 16:56 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, Seb's comment #3 on the lightdm bug says the Password string is marked as not translatable, which which means it will not be translated | 16:57 |
| madnick | I dont see a simple solution to this :) | 16:58 |
| madnick | Unless one reads the data from the translation file | 16:58 |
| madnick | Because it is hardcoded | 16:59 |
| madnick | Maybe we could ask Robert Achell | 17:00 |
| charlie-tca | Then it probably is not going to happen for Oneiric. We are really down to critical fixes now | 17:00 |
| madnick | :( | 17:01 |
| charlie-tca | They plan to start publishing the final image candidates for smoketesting friday, that leaves very little time to fix things now | 17:02 |
| madnick | yeah | 17:02 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: if guest account is enabled, does it get a locale specific name? | 17:04 |
| madnick | Like if you choose something other than english | 17:04 |
| madnick | I dont even know if its a specific account or how it works | 17:06 |
| charlie-tca | I don't really know | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | I believe if the Guest Account is a user name, it is going to be hardcoded guest as a username, since translating that would require a ton of user names | 17:09 |
| madnick | true | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | But, I do not know if that is a true user name or not | 17:15 |
| Pjotr | OK, I'm back.... I read all further entries, and I understand that this problem won't be solved in Oneiric. | 17:22 |
| Pjotr | A pity, but it was late in the day... | 17:22 |
| Pjotr | I'm glad that most of the problem was solved, though. In 12.04 LTS everything will be allright. :-) | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, we have to hope it all gets ironed out. At least we got lightdm usable this time | 17:23 |
| Pjotr | I'm pretty satisfied up till now. Xubuntu 11.10 looks rock solid already on my test machine | 17:25 |
| Pjotr | Great job! :-) | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you from all the developers | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | alternate image installs good today | 17:48 |
| Olbi | is it possible to have cd with text and gui install? | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | I suppose you could make one. It would probably have to include both alternate and desktop images | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | since there are changes when the installer changes | 17:54 |
| charlie-tca | Olbi: might download a Ubuntu dvd and see how they work. I think they have both installers on it. | 17:57 |
| Olbi | now, I download todays livecd 64bit and install it on computer to tests, it is upgradable to last changes after install?:P | 17:59 |
| charlie-tca | yes, just do upgrades | 18:02 |
| charlie-tca | updates, rather | 18:02 |
| charlie-tca | As long as you update it, it will be at the same level as the daily images | 18:03 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, I have long had the problem that "not all updates can be installed". Is it harmful to do a partial upgrade? | 18:10 |
| charlie-tca | What are using to do those updates? | 18:10 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, Update manager | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | I use 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' daily in terminal, and I no updates being held back | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | partial upgrades can be harmful, depending on packages are being upgraded at the time. | 18:12 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, update manager does not show in which way the upgrade would be partial. | 18:14 |
| charlie-tca | It should list every package, with check marks on the ones being upgraded | 18:14 |
| charlie-tca | Without knowing what is being held back, it is not possible to know if it will be harmful or not. | 18:15 |
| charlie-tca | I do not use update-manager to do upgrades in development releases. It breaks too often | 18:16 |
| micahg | breakage in update-manager should be a bug | 18:17 |
| charlie-tca | breakage is a bug, but the fact remains. It still breaks too often in development releases to be reliable | 18:18 |
| * micahg wishes aptitude worked properly with multiarch | 18:18 | |
| Olbi | I have pink color during first display of ubiquity :P | 21:17 |
| Olbi | on the top | 21:17 |
| Olbi | of window | 21:17 |
| charlie-tca | Is that during installing? | 21:26 |
| charlie-tca | Are you installing direct from the cd menu or from a live session? | 21:27 |
| Olbi | direct from pendrive :P | 21:27 |
| Olbi | and choose from boot menu install, no livecd mode | 21:28 |
| Olbi | but it isnt alternate | 21:28 |
| Olbi | it is livecd install | 21:28 |
| Olbi | and are problems with translating :P | 21:28 |
| Olbi | for my language :] | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | right, those are missing headers, bug 840094 | 21:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 840094 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[xubuntu] There is no screen title" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840094 | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | translations are in work, I don't know how far they will get | 21:30 |
| Olbi | not that means, there is good translating into my lang, but some text is in english and with some others strings :P | 21:30 |
| Olbi | I wait for approve to polish team in Xfce | 21:31 |
| Olbi | but dont know when it will be, I want good translated Xubuntu for polish before it will release :) | 21:31 |
| charlie-tca | Installer is Ubiquity, not Xfce. If they don't get fixed, it is a bug against ubiquity | 21:32 |
| Olbi | so translate to ubiqutiy is another thing ;p | 21:39 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, that's done through launchpad translations | 21:42 |
| Olbi | I wonder why teams of Red Hat, canonical and Debian dont fusion and create one, universal installer for all distribution :P | 21:44 |
| Olbi | Installation fail :( | 21:45 |
| genii-around | Olbi: There was something before, "Click N Run" or CNR for short, but it never caught on | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: heh, I'm pretty sure that to avoid the burnout/disinterest/etc from ubuntu is why I came here | 22:01 |
| pleia2 | (I didn't quite realize that until now) | 22:01 |
| charlie-tca | Olbi: oh, I know that bug. it's bug 867620 | 22:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 867620 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Xubuntu failed to install, Ubiquity crashed" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867620 | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: Sometimes that is what it takes, though | 22:02 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: it worked out well for me, but I suddenly realize that my solution to the problem won't help others (or the ubuntu community in general) | 22:02 |
| * pleia2 back2work | 22:03 | |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, but you got to take of *you* first. | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | Olbi: I am sorry, I should have remembered when you said you were trying to install from today's images. | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | Tomorrow's images should be working again | 22:13 |
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