[00:46] <GridCube> good night
[00:46] <GridCube> sooo, next meeting is the 23?
[00:46] <GridCube> D:
[00:46] <Unit193> Emm.
[00:47] <Unit193> Next meeting is October 23, 22:00 UTC to elect project lead
[00:47] <GridCube> its not been updated on the channel topic
[00:47] <Unit193> charlie-tca or micahg: Topic?
[00:47] <Unit193> Just noticed that too
[00:49] <GridCube> :) i had a test today so i couldnt come 
[00:51] <Unit193> I missed it myself, and I can't vote at the next oen
[00:52] <Unit193> You still want the tests done on your site?
[00:52] <Unit193> If so, link me?
[00:54] <GridCube> :)
[00:54] <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/test/XTCv2.html
[00:54] <GridCube> :D
[00:54] <GridCube> what do you think about it?
[00:56] <Unit193> It's not great if I have a test finish right at 00:00
[00:56] <GridCube> oh, yes... should i allow people to change the date? 
[00:57] <GridCube> i could
[00:57] <Unit193> Well, there may be problems with that, charlie is the person telling you what he needs, no?
[00:57] <GridCube> not really XD
[00:57] <Unit193> (And yes, I have finished past 00:00 before :P )
[00:57] <GridCube> he said what he wanted back in the day, since then im doing it all by myself XD
[01:00] <GridCube> but i need feedback to know that im doing things right
[01:01] <Unit193> I had a few comments, but that's the only one I remember
[01:01] <GridCube> :D
[01:01] <GridCube> i added a way to remove duplicated entries from the admin area
[01:02] <GridCube> :P because there is an übber admin area
[01:02] <Unit193> I've had to go and change mine before, will I be able to change my own
[01:02] <Unit193> ?
[01:03] <GridCube> no :(
[01:03] <GridCube> but you can ask an admin to do it, or add a comment stating why the previous is wrong and the admin will delete it
[01:03] <Unit193> Hmmm.... So I'll have to restrict my idiotness
[01:04] <GridCube> giving people the power to delete entries is dangerous
[01:04] <Unit193> I agree, that's why I was asking about my own, but that's fine to ignore
[01:05] <GridCube> i could make a "password" field so people will be able to delete entries if they added a password for themselfs
[01:05] <Unit193> Would that expire after 3 days?
[01:06] <GridCube> i don't think i know how to do that, if i do that i would be permanent
[01:06] <Unit193> Alright... Might be best to talk to madnick maybe?
[01:07] <GridCube> maybe
[01:08] <Unit193> I think those were my comments :P
[01:39] <Unit193> Thank you majic fairy
[01:39] <Unit193> s/j/g/
[01:39] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[01:40] <GridCube> good night charlie-tca :)
[01:40] <charlie-tca> Hello, GridCube 
[01:40] <GridCube> :) how are you?
[01:41] <charlie-tca> Doing fine, sir. And how are you?
[01:42] <charlie-tca> Topic change the day of the meeting? That's asking a lot ;)
[01:43] <Unit193> Well, I'll wait a week or two next time ;)
[01:45] <GridCube> :P
[01:45] <GridCube> im fine, doing midterm tests this week
[01:45] <GridCube> :P
[01:46] <GridCube> today it was Automation of Information Centers, and in two days is Information Resources on Global Networks :D, gods i love my classes names
[01:48] <charlie-tca> They sound fun
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Unit193: Thanks for reminding me to change the date
[01:49] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Your welcome, but it was also GridCube 
[01:49] <charlie-tca> I really want as much response as we can get for nominations and elections
[01:49] <charlie-tca> GridCube: thank you too, then
[01:50] <GridCube> :) your welcome
[01:50] <GridCube> so i was talking to Unit193 about my interface :P
[01:50] <GridCube> and he proposed that users should be able to delete their own entries
[01:51] <Unit193> Might be handy, but the day is more to look at
[01:51] <GridCube> so i was wondering on ways to allow poeple to delete entries by adding an extra box where they can add a "password" so if they feel the need to delete they can do it by entering said password that no one else should be able to know
[01:52] <charlie-tca> So, you are thinking each person that enters data would delete/change their own entries only?
[01:52] <GridCube> yes
[01:52] <GridCube> given that they fill the password fiel
[01:52] <GridCube> d
[01:53] <charlie-tca> Considering that we started with something anyone could do anything to, including changing the form itself, why not?
[01:53] <GridCube> dunno :) i think its a pretty good idea
[01:53] <charlie-tca> As long as they can not change someone elses data, I think that would be a good thing to have
[01:54] <GridCube> :) if you don't know other peoples password then you wouldnt be able to alter anyones else data
[01:55] <GridCube> I can make it happen :P but not this week, studying and all
[01:55] <Unit193> Or you could do a random password to be more strong
[01:55] <GridCube> Unit193, i could, but people would have to remember it
[01:55] <GridCube> so it would make much sense
[02:01] <charlie-tca> GridCube: Sounds good to me
[02:01] <GridCube> :)
[02:02] <charlie-tca> Make it happen when you can
[02:02] <GridCube> :D
[02:02] <GridCube> awesome
[02:02] <Unit193> Make it so
[02:02] <GridCube> XD
[02:02] <GridCube> thank you for giving me this chance charlie-tca :)
[02:02] <charlie-tca> You are most welcome
[02:02] <Unit193> I couldn't help that. You're doing great
[02:02] <GridCube> this is the very first time i work doing something lit this :D
[02:03] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu succeeds if people succeed
[02:03] <GridCube> :)
[02:03] <GridCube> thank you, i hope it will be useful
[02:03] <charlie-tca> I appreciate your efforts
[02:04] <GridCube> :) I appreciate your appreciation 
[02:04] <GridCube> :P
[02:04] <charlie-tca> Thanks.
[02:04] <GridCube> well food and sleep is ahead :)
[02:04] <charlie-tca> We all keep trying... :)
[02:05] <charlie-tca> Good night, then. I am also gone very soon.
[02:05] <GridCube> :) see you when we see again :)
[02:06] <Unit193> Reminds me. I should always remember to check NS for EMailMemos before I send one
[02:07] <charlie-tca> I never remember how to check for memos, so I have to hope I don't have any
[02:09] <Unit193> MemoServ gives you a notice until you read it
[02:25] <charlie-tca> I see.
[02:26] <charlie-tca> Well, got to go get some sleep now. Good night.
[09:40] <madnick> I was thinking, all GPL'd software could technically go into Ubuntu right? It's just a question if they want it in?
[10:24] <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/x1110/
[10:24] <knome> if anybody want to use the countdown banners, even if we didn't get them to the ubuntu servers...
[10:24] <knome> (the official ubuntu countdown banners aren't yet up either)
[10:24] <knome> pleia2, ?
[10:26] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/OneiricCountdownBanner
[10:27] <knome> that's just the ideas, not the actual banners that change themselves day to day in the same location
[10:27] <knome> well, people have added their own stuff, yeah
[10:27] <Unit193> I know
[10:27] <knome> but before it's been on ubuntu servers
[10:28] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/
[10:28] <knome> for usecase :P
[10:29] <Unit193> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ As close as they got :P
[10:31] <knome> hehe
[10:32] <knome> wait
[10:32] <knome> but, eh, that's different
[10:32] <knome> you can't embed that to your website
[10:33] <Unit193> Nope
[10:34] <davmor2> Unit193: there was an Embedded one posted to planet.ubuntu.com at one point
[10:34] <Unit193> Didn't know that part
[10:36] <davmor2> Unit193: http://www.projblog.com/?p=3525
[10:37] <Unit193> Hmmm... That's not official though, is it?
[10:37] <knome> yep, but that's as unofficial as our stuff.
[10:37] <knome> Unit193, as i said, there is no embeddable, official, banner.
[10:38] <knome> Unit193, not for ubuntu, and not for xubuntu.
[10:38] <Unit193> knome: Exactly, but there should be by now :/
[11:18] <knome> Unit193, exactly.
[11:22] <Unit193> Heh, you updated with embed code :P
[12:37] <knome> yeah, thought that would be nice
[13:15] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/
[13:15] <madnick> :>
[13:15] <madnick> Finally something to put on my home page :P
[14:07] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:12] <madnick> morning :)
[14:21] <charlie-tca>  * unseeded universe final freeze will be on Oct. 11 at 1200 UTC
[15:23] <madnick> not oversized anymore
[15:23] <madnick> :)
[15:31] <charlie-tca> We should thank micahg and mr_pouit for that
[15:33]  * micahg did nothing
[15:33]  * micahg thinks it's something Ubuntu did
[15:33] <charlie-tca> It's magic
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Our images grow and shrink by themselves, sometimes ;)
[15:35]  * mr_pouit did nothing either
[15:36] <charlie-tca> it's magic :)
[15:37] <charlie-tca> dropped from 702MB to 693MB overnight
[15:38] <charlie-tca> We are very appreciative to whatever happened!
[15:45] <madnick> todays image cannot install, the live one
[15:46] <madnick> what does one do, about bugs like that, it will be a duplicate
[15:46] <madnick> should i file it anyways?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Is there a bug on file already? What is failing
[15:47] <madnick> TypeError in Ubiquity
[15:48] <charlie-tca> There shouldn't be any other "fail to install" open bugs, so it should not be a duplicate, unless someone opened one today
[15:49] <madnick> okay
[15:49] <davmor2> madnick: drop into desktop and do ubuntu-bug ubiquity  also it maybe worth you talking to ev and cjwatson on #installer too
[15:49] <madnick> okay, nothing shows up on this for "xubuntu", so ill report it
[15:49] <madnick> davmor2: okay :)
[15:53] <madnick> On the bright side, live session works nicely :)
[15:56] <madnick> bug 867620
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Will try to confirm it
[16:01] <madnick> charlie-tca: i've been wondering, when it says "LiveCD" does it mean live session? Or does it mean install from live session?
[16:01] <charlie-tca>  liveCD is live session, yes
[16:02] <madnick> okay
[16:02] <charlie-tca> desktop cd means install either from live session or menu of that cd
[16:02] <madnick> So if I fill out the testing form, it should be LiveCD = fine today, but Desktop Image = fail?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> right
[16:02] <madnick> oki
[16:02] <charlie-tca> two tests, one pass and one fail
[16:05] <pleia2> knome: yeah, the countdown banners were supposed to be updated last week, nothing happened (and the thisisthecountdown.com site isn't counting down to the release, it's something else)
[16:06] <madnick> wow, they didn't spare the words about the Ubuntu release :P
[16:06] <madnick> oh
[16:07] <charlie-tca> They have about 4 countdown url's now, and none of them are correct to the release date
[16:07] <charlie-tca> They said at least one of them is for system76 to release a new computer, though
[16:07] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/
[16:07] <madnick> hehe
[16:08] <madnick> I have not had anything in my apache folder for ages :P
[16:09] <charlie-tca> :)
[16:12] <charlie-tca> pleia2: this is supposed to be the actual countdown site now:
[16:12] <charlie-tca> http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/
[16:13] <davmor2> charlie-tca: nice
[16:14] <pleia2> yeah, I saw that yesterday :)
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, it is not correct either, since the release is Oct 13, which really is more than 7 days
[16:14] <pleia2> they aren't wrong, they just aren't counting down to release
[16:14] <pleia2> I suspect they're counting down to a device, maybe some shiny ARMM thing :)
[16:14] <pleia2> -M
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I see. 
[16:15] <madnick> :D
[16:15] <charlie-tca> No one seems to really know
[16:15] <pleia2> no, it's all a big secret
[16:15] <madnick> Ubuntu tablet :)
[16:15] <charlie-tca> madnick: Download updates and 3rd party software checked?
[16:15] <madnick> charlie-tca: nope, nothing
[16:16] <madnick> I figured there wont be any updates on the daily image since it was just released
[16:19] <charlie-tca> You didn't click to migrate data?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Installing here
[16:19] <madnick> I did this one in virtualbox
[16:20] <charlie-tca> The install is working on hardware
[16:20] <madnick> oh
[16:20] <madnick> Have you got by selecting passwords?
[16:20] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I am looking at the firefox/thunderbird page of the slideshow
[16:21] <madnick> i think it took about 3-5 minutes
[16:21] <madnick> then it crashed
[16:21] <charlie-tca> booting vbox, will try there
[16:25] <charlie-tca> madnick: what did you run before the installer?
[16:25] <madnick> nothing
[16:25] <madnick> I booted into the installer
[16:25] <madnick> directly
[16:25] <madnick> then after that i tried live session
[16:27] <charlie-tca> crashed on hardware
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Do we know if the alternate images work today?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Hm, wonder if losing 9MB on the desktop images makes it fail?
[16:41] <Pjotr> lightdm-gtk-greeter has been updated today (fix released): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427
[16:41] <madnick> Yeah
[16:41] <Pjotr> This has solved the translation problem largely, but not entirely. There are still three untranslated strings: 'Password', 'Guest Account' and 'Other...'
[16:41] <charlie-tca> There is a fix for the crash, should be tomorrow
[16:41] <Pjotr> Has this something to do with comment #3 by Sebastien Bacher, about gtkbuilder .ui? See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427/comments/3
[16:41] <madnick> Pjotr: the Guest Account is hardcoded
[16:41] <madnick> IIRC
[16:42] <madnick> and Password is not translatable
[16:43] <Pjotr> madnick: but it should be... how can that be repaired?
[16:43] <madnick> The "Guest account" is tricky
[16:43] <madnick> ill look into it more
[16:44] <Pjotr> madnick: thanks!
[16:44] <madnick> "1, "Guest Account",
[16:44] <madnick> yeah
[16:45] <madnick> not sure how to fix that
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Not sure it can be, since that is a user name, isn't it?
[16:45] <madnick> Thing is, its not mandatory for it to show IIRC; therfor its not in theui file
[16:46] <madnick> Same with "Other"
[16:46] <madnick> but "password" is easily fixable
[16:47] <madnick> Pjotr: a translation file, do you have an example of one?
[16:49] <Pjotr> Be right back, my wife has served dinner... I'll see to it in 45minutes
[16:56] <charlie-tca> madnick: tomorrow's images should work
[16:56] <madnick> :)
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Yes, Seb's comment #3 on the lightdm bug says the Password string is marked as not translatable, which which means it will not be translated
[16:58] <madnick> I dont see a simple solution to this :)
[16:58] <madnick> Unless one reads the data from the translation file
[16:59] <madnick> Because it is hardcoded
[17:00] <madnick> Maybe we could ask Robert Achell
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Then it probably is not going to happen for Oneiric. We are really down to critical fixes now
[17:01] <madnick> :(
[17:02] <charlie-tca> They plan to start publishing the final image candidates for smoketesting friday, that leaves very little time to fix things now
[17:02] <madnick> yeah
[17:04] <madnick> charlie-tca: if guest account is enabled, does it get a locale specific name?
[17:04] <madnick> Like if you choose something other than english
[17:06] <madnick> I dont even know if its a specific account or how it works 
[17:08] <charlie-tca> I don't really know
[17:09] <charlie-tca> I believe if the Guest Account is a user name, it is going to be hardcoded guest as a username, since translating that would require a ton of user names 
[17:10] <madnick> true
[17:15] <charlie-tca> But, I do not know if that is a true user name or not
[17:22] <Pjotr> OK, I'm back.... I read all further entries, and I understand that this problem won't be solved in Oneiric.
[17:22] <Pjotr> A pity, but it was late in the day...
[17:23] <Pjotr> I'm glad that most of the problem was solved, though. In 12.04 LTS everything will be allright. :-)
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Yes, we have to hope it all gets ironed out. At least we got lightdm usable this time
[17:25] <Pjotr> I'm pretty satisfied up till now. Xubuntu 11.10 looks rock solid already on my test machine
[17:25] <Pjotr> Great job! :-)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Thank you from all the developers
[17:48] <charlie-tca> alternate image installs good today
[17:50] <Olbi> is it possible to have cd with text and gui install?
[17:53] <charlie-tca> I suppose you could make one. It would probably have to include both alternate and desktop images
[17:54] <charlie-tca> since there are changes when the installer changes
[17:57] <charlie-tca> Olbi: might download a Ubuntu dvd and see how they work. I think they have both installers on it.
[17:59] <Olbi> now, I download todays livecd 64bit and install it on computer to tests, it is upgradable to last changes after install?:P
[18:02] <charlie-tca> yes, just do upgrades
[18:02] <charlie-tca> updates, rather
[18:03] <charlie-tca> As long as you update it, it will be at the same level as the daily images
[18:10] <jarnos> charlie-tca, I have long had the problem that "not all updates can be installed". Is it harmful to do a partial upgrade?
[18:10] <charlie-tca> What are using to do those updates?
[18:11] <jarnos> charlie-tca,  Update manager
[18:11] <charlie-tca> I use 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' daily in terminal, and I no updates being held back
[18:12] <charlie-tca> partial upgrades can be harmful, depending on packages are being upgraded at the time.
[18:14] <jarnos> charlie-tca, update manager does not show in which way the upgrade would be partial.
[18:14] <charlie-tca> It should list every package, with check marks on the ones being upgraded
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Without knowing what is being held back, it is not possible to know if it will be harmful or not.
[18:16] <charlie-tca> I do not use update-manager to do upgrades in development releases. It breaks too often
[18:17] <micahg> breakage in update-manager should be a bug
[18:18] <charlie-tca> breakage is a bug, but the fact remains. It still breaks too often in development releases to be reliable
[18:18]  * micahg wishes aptitude worked properly with multiarch
[21:17] <Olbi> I have pink color during first display of ubiquity :P
[21:17] <Olbi> on the top
[21:17] <Olbi> of window
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Is that during installing?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Are you installing direct from the cd menu or from a live session?
[21:27] <Olbi> direct from pendrive :P
[21:28] <Olbi> and choose from boot menu install, no livecd mode
[21:28] <Olbi> but it isnt alternate
[21:28] <Olbi> it is livecd install
[21:28] <Olbi> and are problems with translating :P
[21:29] <Olbi> for my language :]
[21:29] <charlie-tca> right, those are missing headers, bug 840094
[21:30] <charlie-tca> translations are in work, I don't know how far they will get
[21:30] <Olbi> not that means, there is good translating into my lang, but some text is in english and with some others strings :P
[21:31] <Olbi> I wait for approve to polish team in Xfce
[21:31] <Olbi> but dont know when it will be, I want good translated Xubuntu for polish before it will release :)
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Installer is Ubiquity, not Xfce. If they don't get fixed, it is a bug against ubiquity
[21:39] <Olbi> so translate to ubiqutiy is another thing ;p
[21:42] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's done through launchpad translations
[21:44] <Olbi> I wonder why teams of Red Hat, canonical and Debian dont fusion and create one, universal installer for all distribution :P
[21:45] <Olbi> Installation fail :(
[21:59] <genii-around> Olbi: There was something before, "Click N Run" or CNR for short, but it never caught on
[22:01] <pleia2> charlie-tca: heh, I'm pretty sure that to avoid the burnout/disinterest/etc from ubuntu is why I came here
[22:01] <pleia2> (I didn't quite realize that until now)
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Olbi: oh, I know that bug. it's bug 867620
[22:02] <charlie-tca> pleia2: Sometimes that is what it takes, though
[22:02] <pleia2> charlie-tca: it worked out well for me, but I suddenly realize that my solution to the problem won't help others (or the ubuntu community in general)
[22:03]  * pleia2 back2work
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but you got to take of *you* first. 
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Olbi: I am sorry, I should have remembered when you said you were trying to install from today's images. 
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Tomorrow's images should be working again