[00:46] good night [00:46] sooo, next meeting is the 23? [00:46] D: [00:46] Emm. [00:47] Next meeting is October 23, 22:00 UTC to elect project lead [00:47] its not been updated on the channel topic [00:47] charlie-tca or micahg: Topic? [00:47] Just noticed that too [00:49] :) i had a test today so i couldnt come [00:51] I missed it myself, and I can't vote at the next oen [00:52] You still want the tests done on your site? [00:52] If so, link me? [00:54] :) [00:54] http://gridcube.netii.net/test/XTCv2.html [00:54] :D [00:54] what do you think about it? [00:56] It's not great if I have a test finish right at 00:00 [00:56] oh, yes... should i allow people to change the date? [00:57] i could [00:57] Well, there may be problems with that, charlie is the person telling you what he needs, no? [00:57] not really XD [00:57] (And yes, I have finished past 00:00 before :P ) [00:57] he said what he wanted back in the day, since then im doing it all by myself XD [01:00] but i need feedback to know that im doing things right [01:01] I had a few comments, but that's the only one I remember [01:01] :D [01:01] i added a way to remove duplicated entries from the admin area [01:02] :P because there is an übber admin area [01:02] I've had to go and change mine before, will I be able to change my own [01:02] ? [01:03] no :( [01:03] but you can ask an admin to do it, or add a comment stating why the previous is wrong and the admin will delete it [01:03] Hmmm.... So I'll have to restrict my idiotness [01:04] giving people the power to delete entries is dangerous [01:04] I agree, that's why I was asking about my own, but that's fine to ignore [01:05] i could make a "password" field so people will be able to delete entries if they added a password for themselfs [01:05] Would that expire after 3 days? [01:06] i don't think i know how to do that, if i do that i would be permanent [01:06] Alright... Might be best to talk to madnick maybe? [01:07] maybe [01:08] I think those were my comments :P === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Beta2 released | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-10-23 at 22:00 UTC - Election for Project Lead | Oneiric Ocelot images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ [01:39] Thank you majic fairy [01:39] s/j/g/ [01:39] You are welcome [01:40] good night charlie-tca :) [01:40] Hello, GridCube [01:40] :) how are you? [01:41] Doing fine, sir. And how are you? [01:42] Topic change the day of the meeting? That's asking a lot ;) [01:43] Well, I'll wait a week or two next time ;) [01:45] :P [01:45] im fine, doing midterm tests this week [01:45] :P [01:46] today it was Automation of Information Centers, and in two days is Information Resources on Global Networks :D, gods i love my classes names [01:48] They sound fun [01:48] Unit193: Thanks for reminding me to change the date [01:49] charlie-tca: Your welcome, but it was also GridCube [01:49] I really want as much response as we can get for nominations and elections [01:49] GridCube: thank you too, then [01:50] :) your welcome [01:50] so i was talking to Unit193 about my interface :P [01:50] and he proposed that users should be able to delete their own entries [01:51] Might be handy, but the day is more to look at [01:51] so i was wondering on ways to allow poeple to delete entries by adding an extra box where they can add a "password" so if they feel the need to delete they can do it by entering said password that no one else should be able to know [01:52] So, you are thinking each person that enters data would delete/change their own entries only? [01:52] yes [01:52] given that they fill the password fiel [01:52] d [01:53] Considering that we started with something anyone could do anything to, including changing the form itself, why not? [01:53] dunno :) i think its a pretty good idea [01:53] As long as they can not change someone elses data, I think that would be a good thing to have [01:54] :) if you don't know other peoples password then you wouldnt be able to alter anyones else data [01:55] I can make it happen :P but not this week, studying and all [01:55] Or you could do a random password to be more strong [01:55] Unit193, i could, but people would have to remember it [01:55] so it would make much sense [02:01] GridCube: Sounds good to me [02:01] :) [02:02] Make it happen when you can [02:02] :D [02:02] awesome [02:02] Make it so [02:02] XD [02:02] thank you for giving me this chance charlie-tca :) [02:02] You are most welcome [02:02] I couldn't help that. You're doing great [02:02] this is the very first time i work doing something lit this :D [02:03] Xubuntu succeeds if people succeed [02:03] :) [02:03] thank you, i hope it will be useful [02:03] I appreciate your efforts [02:04] :) I appreciate your appreciation [02:04] :P [02:04] Thanks. [02:04] well food and sleep is ahead :) [02:04] We all keep trying... :) [02:05] Good night, then. I am also gone very soon. [02:05] :) see you when we see again :) [02:06] Reminds me. I should always remember to check NS for EMailMemos before I send one [02:07] I never remember how to check for memos, so I have to hope I don't have any [02:09] MemoServ gives you a notice until you read it [02:25] I see. [02:26] Well, got to go get some sleep now. Good night. [09:40] I was thinking, all GPL'd software could technically go into Ubuntu right? It's just a question if they want it in? [10:24] http://shimmerproject.org/x1110/ [10:24] if anybody want to use the countdown banners, even if we didn't get them to the ubuntu servers... [10:24] (the official ubuntu countdown banners aren't yet up either) [10:24] pleia2, ? [10:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/OneiricCountdownBanner [10:27] that's just the ideas, not the actual banners that change themselves day to day in the same location [10:27] well, people have added their own stuff, yeah [10:27] I know [10:27] but before it's been on ubuntu servers [10:28] http://open.knome.fi/ [10:28] for usecase :P [10:29] http://thisisthecountdown.com/ As close as they got :P [10:31] hehe [10:32] wait [10:32] but, eh, that's different [10:32] you can't embed that to your website [10:33] Nope [10:34] Unit193: there was an Embedded one posted to planet.ubuntu.com at one point [10:34] Didn't know that part [10:36] Unit193: http://www.projblog.com/?p=3525 [10:37] Hmmm... That's not official though, is it? [10:37] yep, but that's as unofficial as our stuff. [10:37] Unit193, as i said, there is no embeddable, official, banner. [10:38] Unit193, not for ubuntu, and not for xubuntu. [10:38] knome: Exactly, but there should be by now :/ [11:18] Unit193, exactly. [11:22] Heh, you updated with embed code :P [12:37] yeah, thought that would be nice [13:15] http://www.madnick.se/ [13:15] :> [13:15] Finally something to put on my home page :P [14:07] Good morning [14:12] morning :) [14:21] * unseeded universe final freeze will be on Oct. 11 at 1200 UTC [15:23] not oversized anymore [15:23] :) [15:31] We should thank micahg and mr_pouit for that [15:33] * micahg did nothing [15:33] * micahg thinks it's something Ubuntu did [15:33] It's magic [15:34] Our images grow and shrink by themselves, sometimes ;) [15:35] * mr_pouit did nothing either [15:36] it's magic :) [15:37] dropped from 702MB to 693MB overnight [15:38] We are very appreciative to whatever happened! [15:45] todays image cannot install, the live one [15:46] what does one do, about bugs like that, it will be a duplicate [15:46] should i file it anyways? [15:47] Is there a bug on file already? What is failing [15:47] TypeError in Ubiquity [15:48] There shouldn't be any other "fail to install" open bugs, so it should not be a duplicate, unless someone opened one today [15:49] okay [15:49] madnick: drop into desktop and do ubuntu-bug ubiquity also it maybe worth you talking to ev and cjwatson on #installer too [15:49] okay, nothing shows up on this for "xubuntu", so ill report it [15:49] davmor2: okay :) [15:53] On the bright side, live session works nicely :) [15:56] bug 867620 [15:56] Launchpad bug 867620 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu failed to install, Ubiquity crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867620 [15:59] Thank you [16:00] Will try to confirm it [16:01] charlie-tca: i've been wondering, when it says "LiveCD" does it mean live session? Or does it mean install from live session? [16:01] liveCD is live session, yes [16:02] okay [16:02] desktop cd means install either from live session or menu of that cd [16:02] So if I fill out the testing form, it should be LiveCD = fine today, but Desktop Image = fail? [16:02] right [16:02] oki [16:02] two tests, one pass and one fail [16:05] knome: yeah, the countdown banners were supposed to be updated last week, nothing happened (and the thisisthecountdown.com site isn't counting down to the release, it's something else) [16:06] wow, they didn't spare the words about the Ubuntu release :P [16:06] oh [16:07] They have about 4 countdown url's now, and none of them are correct to the release date [16:07] They said at least one of them is for system76 to release a new computer, though [16:07] http://www.madnick.se/ [16:07] hehe [16:08] I have not had anything in my apache folder for ages :P [16:09] :) [16:12] pleia2: this is supposed to be the actual countdown site now: [16:12] http://thisisthefinalcountdown.com/ [16:13] charlie-tca: nice [16:14] yeah, I saw that yesterday :) [16:14] Unfortunately, it is not correct either, since the release is Oct 13, which really is more than 7 days [16:14] they aren't wrong, they just aren't counting down to release [16:14] I suspect they're counting down to a device, maybe some shiny ARMM thing :) [16:14] -M [16:15] I see. [16:15] :D [16:15] No one seems to really know [16:15] no, it's all a big secret [16:15] Ubuntu tablet :) [16:15] madnick: Download updates and 3rd party software checked? [16:15] charlie-tca: nope, nothing [16:16] I figured there wont be any updates on the daily image since it was just released [16:19] You didn't click to migrate data? [16:19] Installing here [16:19] I did this one in virtualbox [16:20] The install is working on hardware [16:20] oh [16:20] Have you got by selecting passwords? [16:20] yup [16:20] I am looking at the firefox/thunderbird page of the slideshow [16:21] i think it took about 3-5 minutes [16:21] then it crashed [16:21] booting vbox, will try there [16:25] madnick: what did you run before the installer? [16:25] nothing [16:25] I booted into the installer [16:25] directly [16:25] then after that i tried live session [16:27] crashed on hardware [16:34] Do we know if the alternate images work today? [16:37] Hm, wonder if losing 9MB on the desktop images makes it fail? [16:41] lightdm-gtk-greeter has been updated today (fix released): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427 [16:41] Ubuntu bug 862427 in Light Display Manager "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not set translation domain" [Medium,Fix committed] [16:41] Yeah [16:41] This has solved the translation problem largely, but not entirely. There are still three untranslated strings: 'Password', 'Guest Account' and 'Other...' [16:41] There is a fix for the crash, should be tomorrow [16:41] Has this something to do with comment #3 by Sebastien Bacher, about gtkbuilder .ui? See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427/comments/3 [16:41] Pjotr: the Guest Account is hardcoded [16:41] IIRC [16:42] and Password is not translatable [16:43] madnick: but it should be... how can that be repaired? [16:43] The "Guest account" is tricky [16:43] ill look into it more [16:44] madnick: thanks! [16:44] "1, "Guest Account", [16:44] yeah [16:45] not sure how to fix that [16:45] Not sure it can be, since that is a user name, isn't it? [16:45] Thing is, its not mandatory for it to show IIRC; therfor its not in theui file [16:46] Same with "Other" [16:46] but "password" is easily fixable [16:47] Pjotr: a translation file, do you have an example of one? [16:49] Be right back, my wife has served dinner... I'll see to it in 45minutes [16:56] madnick: tomorrow's images should work [16:56] :) [16:57] Yes, Seb's comment #3 on the lightdm bug says the Password string is marked as not translatable, which which means it will not be translated [16:58] I dont see a simple solution to this :) [16:58] Unless one reads the data from the translation file [16:59] Because it is hardcoded [17:00] Maybe we could ask Robert Achell [17:00] Then it probably is not going to happen for Oneiric. We are really down to critical fixes now [17:01] :( [17:02] They plan to start publishing the final image candidates for smoketesting friday, that leaves very little time to fix things now [17:02] yeah [17:04] charlie-tca: if guest account is enabled, does it get a locale specific name? [17:04] Like if you choose something other than english [17:06] I dont even know if its a specific account or how it works [17:08] I don't really know [17:09] I believe if the Guest Account is a user name, it is going to be hardcoded guest as a username, since translating that would require a ton of user names [17:10] true [17:15] But, I do not know if that is a true user name or not [17:22] OK, I'm back.... I read all further entries, and I understand that this problem won't be solved in Oneiric. [17:22] A pity, but it was late in the day... [17:23] I'm glad that most of the problem was solved, though. In 12.04 LTS everything will be allright. :-) [17:23] Yes, we have to hope it all gets ironed out. At least we got lightdm usable this time [17:25] I'm pretty satisfied up till now. Xubuntu 11.10 looks rock solid already on my test machine [17:25] Great job! :-) [17:25] Thank you from all the developers [17:48] alternate image installs good today [17:50] is it possible to have cd with text and gui install? [17:53] I suppose you could make one. It would probably have to include both alternate and desktop images [17:54] since there are changes when the installer changes [17:57] Olbi: might download a Ubuntu dvd and see how they work. I think they have both installers on it. [17:59] now, I download todays livecd 64bit and install it on computer to tests, it is upgradable to last changes after install?:P [18:02] yes, just do upgrades [18:02] updates, rather [18:03] As long as you update it, it will be at the same level as the daily images [18:10] charlie-tca, I have long had the problem that "not all updates can be installed". Is it harmful to do a partial upgrade? [18:10] What are using to do those updates? [18:11] charlie-tca, Update manager [18:11] I use 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' daily in terminal, and I no updates being held back [18:12] partial upgrades can be harmful, depending on packages are being upgraded at the time. [18:14] charlie-tca, update manager does not show in which way the upgrade would be partial. [18:14] It should list every package, with check marks on the ones being upgraded [18:15] Without knowing what is being held back, it is not possible to know if it will be harmful or not. [18:16] I do not use update-manager to do upgrades in development releases. It breaks too often [18:17] breakage in update-manager should be a bug [18:18] breakage is a bug, but the fact remains. It still breaks too often in development releases to be reliable [18:18] * micahg wishes aptitude worked properly with multiarch [21:17] I have pink color during first display of ubiquity :P [21:17] on the top [21:17] of window [21:26] Is that during installing? [21:27] Are you installing direct from the cd menu or from a live session? [21:27] direct from pendrive :P [21:28] and choose from boot menu install, no livecd mode [21:28] but it isnt alternate [21:28] it is livecd install [21:28] and are problems with translating :P [21:29] for my language :] [21:29] right, those are missing headers, bug 840094 [21:29] Launchpad bug 840094 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[xubuntu] There is no screen title" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840094 [21:30] translations are in work, I don't know how far they will get [21:30] not that means, there is good translating into my lang, but some text is in english and with some others strings :P [21:31] I wait for approve to polish team in Xfce [21:31] but dont know when it will be, I want good translated Xubuntu for polish before it will release :) [21:32] Installer is Ubiquity, not Xfce. If they don't get fixed, it is a bug against ubiquity [21:39] so translate to ubiqutiy is another thing ;p [21:42] yeah, that's done through launchpad translations [21:44] I wonder why teams of Red Hat, canonical and Debian dont fusion and create one, universal installer for all distribution :P [21:45] Installation fail :( [21:59] Olbi: There was something before, "Click N Run" or CNR for short, but it never caught on [22:01] charlie-tca: heh, I'm pretty sure that to avoid the burnout/disinterest/etc from ubuntu is why I came here [22:01] (I didn't quite realize that until now) [22:02] Olbi: oh, I know that bug. it's bug 867620 [22:02] Launchpad bug 867620 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Xubuntu failed to install, Ubiquity crashed" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867620 [22:02] pleia2: Sometimes that is what it takes, though [22:02] charlie-tca: it worked out well for me, but I suddenly realize that my solution to the problem won't help others (or the ubuntu community in general) [22:03] * pleia2 back2work [22:03] Yeah, but you got to take of *you* first. [22:12] Olbi: I am sorry, I should have remembered when you said you were trying to install from today's images. [22:13] Tomorrow's images should be working again