[00:09] <NCommander> so rebuilding gtk-sharp causes the GUI to appear but it doesn't actually wokr
[00:09] <NCommander> grumble
[00:23] <NCommander> GrueMaster: try testing with the debs in my panda homefolder 192.168.0.60
[00:23] <NCommander> ubuntu:ubuntu
[00:24] <twb> NCommander: you know that's a private address, right? ;-)
[00:24] <NCommander> twb: I live with GrueMaster :-P
[00:24] <twb> You poor man
[00:24] <NCommander> twb: him or me :-P
[00:25] <brandini> yes
[00:27] <twb> +1 brandini
[00:33] <NCommander> GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/853539
[00:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 853539 in banshee "Banshee wont start" [Undecided,Triaged]
[00:36] <GrueMaster> NCommander: Wrong arch.  Read the bug details.  May be similar, but since it works on x86, I'm doubting it.  Also, this is for 2.1.4.  We are on 2.2.0
[00:36] <NCommander> ugh
[00:40] <GrueMaster> following the gconftool-2 instructions has no effect.
[00:41] <GrueMaster> And the bug you want to follow is Bug #857299
[00:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857299 in banshee "banshee window remain white on startup on pandaboard" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857299
[00:54] <NCommander> so the code that throws the exception only throws it if something is <0
[01:01] <NCommander> I'm blocking ATM on how to debug this
[01:01] <NCommander> but it is breaking in Banshee (Hyena.Gui)
[01:06] <GrueMaster> I'm still loading build dependencies.  Seems apt-get build-dep doesn't get all of them (gmcs, boo so far).
[02:49] <GrueMaster> Interesting.  I may have found the issue.  http://banshee-media-player.2283330.n4.nabble.com/Banshee-crashes-after-updating-compiled-version-tp3862966p3862966.html appears to say that banshee 2.2 requires mono-addins 0.6.2,  We have 0.6.1.
[03:00] <GrueMaster> Nope.  Not it (apparently).
[03:00] <GrueMaster> sigh.
[03:01] <twb> Banshee needs mono now?  Sheesh.
[03:02] <GrueMaster> Its a mono app.  Always has been.
[03:02] <twb> Rassum frassum
[03:03] <GrueMaster> Personally, I don't like either of the two gnome music apps (Banshee, Rhythmbox).  But that's just me.
[03:04] <twb> Last time I looked at rhythmbox (8.04) it looks OK for what it was
[03:13] <GrueMaster> Yes, but apparently it won't work with ubuntuone (or at lease ubuntuone won't work with it).  Don't ask me why.
[03:13] <GrueMaster> But we may revert to that for this release.  Will know more Thursday.
[03:16] <twb> I expect canonical cares about that, but I don't :P
[03:18] <GrueMaster> Well, at least Pithos runs well on armel.  Pandora on Panda rocks.
[03:19] <twb> Oh lame
[03:19] <twb> I thought you meant like the pandora game handheld
[03:19] <GrueMaster> May need to move my normal pandora setup to this system.  Chumby is getting a little long in the tooth.
[03:19] <GrueMaster> No, online music.  Beats my local collection.
[03:20] <twb> "We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S."
[03:20] <twb> There's a couple of CC-flavoured ones that I would use if I could be arsed.  IIRC recent versions of rhythmbox know about them OOTB
[03:20] <GrueMaster> Yea, blame the industry, not Pandora.  Freaking RIAA and ASCAP.
[03:21] <GrueMaster> Both fight for licensing rights, neither really care about the artists.
[03:23] <GrueMaster> I used to work in a lounge that featured live bands.  During the day, they would play cds from the local bands that would play Friday & Saturday, until ASCAP came and told us to stop or pay.  We even had one of the artists there, while his music was playing.
[03:24] <GrueMaster> At any rate, that is a long rant from 16 years ago ('95).
[03:24] <GrueMaster> Well, I've put in my 14 hours.  Time to go veg on the tube.
[09:00] <NCommander> GrueMaster: no love updating mono-addins (hadto take a brick to it to get it installed but no comparable difference :-/)
[09:00] <NCommander> in banshee
[09:38] <plasmasolutions_> Hi guys, I've read every thread I could find on google groups but didn't find a new answer: Is hd video acceleration possible with natty on the pandaboard nowadays? I'm using the TI ppa with ubuntu-omap4-extras installed
[09:39] <ogra_> no
[09:39] <plasmasolutions_> And as a second question: Is there no performance governor anymore with natty? I don't find it anymore in the usual place
[09:39] <ogra_> wait for oneiric or use maverick
[09:39] <ogra_> Ti did no work on the natty port of the omx bits
[09:39] <plasmasolutions_> ogra_: Wow fast answer...even if it's not what I hoped for ;)
[09:39] <ogra_> (lets hope that makes the oneiric one twice as good :) )
[09:40] <plasmasolutions_> ogra_: I'm experienced with beta versions, is there already support for it in the current dev version of oneiric?
[09:41] <plasmasolutions_> I would test it then and give feedback...
[09:42] <ogra_> plasmasolutions_, i dont think TI has uploaded to the PPA yet, ndec1 might be able to giev an ETA (i would gueyy by release its there though)
[09:42] <ogra_> *guess even
[09:43] <ndec1> plasmasolutions_: short answer: not available now. long answer: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/2aa25aab6635fb02
[09:45] <plasmasolutions_> ogra_: ndec1: Thank you for your help...I'm reading your post now...
[09:50] <plasmasolutions_> ndec1: Wow, this post was needed... why is it so difficult to find?! Should be linked on the ubuntu wiki...
[09:51] <plasmasolutions_> ndec1: So ist's more than likely that we'll get the packages once oneiric is ready...that's goog news!
[09:52] <plasmasolutions_> goog = good :)
[09:56] <ndec1> plasmasolutions_: this is the last message in the pandaboard group...
[09:58] <plasmasolutions_> ndec1: I'm now a member of this group...so important news will not pass away again :)
[10:01] <plasmasolutions_> ndec1: So thank you very much..I have to leave now. But I will try maverick and oneiric once it's ready! Looking really forward to this release...bye
[10:23] <janimo> ndec1, what is the difference between gst-ducati and gst-openmax?
[10:23] <janimo> I read the mail you lined to above and it mentions this change in the PPA
[10:24] <ndec1> janimo: they do the same thing, in the sense that they decode/encode using h/w acceleration. but they use different low level APIs to do it
[10:24] <ndec1> gst-openmax uses OMX, gst-ducati uses DCE
[10:24] <janimo> ndec1, are they competing or is one replacing the other?
[10:25] <janimo> is DCE a TI-only technology?
[10:25] <ndec1> yes.
[10:25] <ndec1> Distributed Codec Engine.
[10:25] <ndec1> codec engine is TI API for codecs
[10:26] <ndec1> OMX uses CE API, and DCE uses the same API.
[10:26] <ndec1> janimo: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/2aa25aab6635fb02
[10:26] <ndec1> oops... wrong copy paste... here is it: http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.com/2010/11/announcing-libdce-and-gst-ducati.html
[10:29] <janimo> ndec1, thanks. Still not clear from it whether it is preferred to openmax. Probably not if portability is in mind. Is TI also updating gst-openmax though?
[10:30] <ogra_> janimo, the point is that whatever android chooses as default should be used, else you add extra workload
[10:31] <ogra_> and i think android moves away from omx
[10:33] <janimo> ok, but android moves to something that is not in classic linux
[10:33] <janimo> but I see your point
[10:33] <ogra_> its not in classic lunix, but the kernel side implementation will be the same
[10:34] <ogra_> *linux indeed :)
[10:37] <ndec1> ogra_: no android is not moving away from OMX.
[10:37] <ogra_> oh, i thought they do
[10:37] <ndec1> we are moving away from what we do in android ;-)
[10:37] <ogra_> i stand corrected then :)
[10:37] <ndec1> ogra_: if you read that somewhere, please share the link
[10:37] <ogra_> i didnt :)
[11:46] <janimo> ogra_, Andoid moves from OpenCore to StageFright maybe that's what you (and I) mixed up with moving from OMX?
[11:47] <ogra_> yeah, i just knew everything is moving right now :)
[11:47] <janimo> lots of multimedia related codenames around
[11:47] <ogra_> wohoo, another sprint in budapest \o/
[11:47]  * ogra_ guesses infinity will like that :)
[11:48] <janimo> where is it announced?
[11:48] <ogra_> check your mails :)
[11:51] <janimo> I checked right aft6er you said it. But I rmember my inbox is lagging a bit. So will get it in 20 minutes :)
[11:52] <ogra_> are ysou using uucp ? *g*
[11:52] <janimo> homing pigeons
[11:53] <ogra_> heh
[11:53] <janimo> unladen though. For maximum speed
[11:53] <ogra_> flying forwards or backwards ?
[11:53] <ogra_> (or belly up ?)
[11:54] <janimo> show out of a cannon, wings tied to the body
[11:54] <janimo> s/show/shot/
[11:54] <ogra_> heh, yeah, that should be pretty fast
[13:13] <jondo> Hi everybody
[13:14] <brandini> morning
[13:15] <jondo> I have got a BeagleBoard-xM and wonder  which Ubuntu release to use.
[13:16] <ogra_> depends on the board revision ... the newer the more likely it is that your revision isnt supported out of the box in an older release
[13:17] <jondo> According to u-boot it is "Rev C". (That's probably also the meaning of the "C" sticker on the board.)
[13:17] <ogra_> then i would suggest oneiric
[13:18] <ogra_> latest daily, shouldnt change much until tomorrow (when we build the Release Candidate images)
[13:18] <jondo> This would be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/oneiric-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz then?
[13:19] <ogra_> yep
[13:20] <jondo> Great! Because I have already tested Maverick in order to avoid Natty's https://launchpad.net/bugs/771537, and could not get it to boot.
[13:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 771537 in linux "Beagle XM lacks proper 1Ghz support" [Medium,In progress]
[13:31] <ogra_> right,. oneiric should fix that
[13:41] <jondo> Thanks. I'll report back when I continue testing tomorrow.
[13:42] <ogra_> great, feedback is really appreciated since we are testing for release
[13:58] <BlInK311> will the new oneiric not work with the older Beaglebaord xM Rev.A3?
[13:58] <ogra_> it should work with all beagle XMs that are currently available
[13:58] <BlInK311> ok thanks
[13:59] <ogra_> the older ones dont since the boards showed up after or around release time
[13:59] <ogra_> we offer updated bootloader and kernel files you can replace on the older images, oneiric includes all these bits
[14:00] <BlInK311> ok, I have an Rev A3 and a Rev B, im gonna play with both of them by the end of the week.  glad to hear they will both work with oneiric
[14:01] <ogra_> if you find issues, please tell us
[14:03] <BlInK311> will do
[14:03] <BlInK311> downloading image from link above
[14:55] <ogra_> ndec1, yo ! i just got an oder acknowledgement for a 4460 :)
[14:55] <ndec1> ogra_: ?
[14:55] <ogra_> from TI
[14:56] <ogra_> seems there is a 4460 in shipment to me
[14:57] <GrueMaster> I got one Saturday.  Still no box though.
[14:59] <ndec1> ogra_: cool! do you have the ID ?
[15:00] <ogra_> hmm, there are a bunch of numbers, which is the ID ? :)
[15:01]  * ogra_ thinks what he just got from the postman is just a bill ... has the usual $0.00
[15:02] <GrueMaster> ndec1: The Order Ack # for mine is 143064217.  Is that the number you are looking for?
[15:03] <ndec1> do you have a RQST number? or the model number?
[15:05] <GrueMaster> OMAP4460UEVMES11GP12GHZTIWI-BLE or UEVM4460G-02-01-00.  Those are the only other numbers on my copy.
[15:05] <ogra_> same here
[15:15] <brandini> I wish it was friday and I could hack on my pandaboard
[15:19] <ndec1> ogra_: GrueMaster: ok. that looks good!
[15:23] <GrueMaster> ndec1: Any info on the new boards?  Same/similar to panda?  Same power?  I'd like to get mine online as soon as it arrives so that I can say it works for Oneiric.
[15:34] <brandini> If you get an 4460 then *I* should get a 4460 too!
[15:34] <brandini> You just plug that into your pandaboard and voila eh? ;)
[16:02] <brandini> wonder if I could get a job doing dev for these SoC things
[16:04] <prpplague> brandini: plenty of job openings for skilled developers
[16:05] <brandini> I don't have any experience doing it, but I do have good skills and a great ability to learn
[16:06] <ndec1> brandini: as prpplague said, yes, we are always open to great people ;-)
[16:07] <brandini> we == ubuntu?
[16:08] <prpplague> brandini: and others
[16:09] <brandini> wonder if there are any in NE ohio
[16:14] <ndec1> brandini: i work for  TI ;-)
[16:15] <xranby> nice sound on the panda board!
[16:15] <xranby> tested todays daily image  20111005 and can confirm that the fix from 1003 fixed
[16:15] <brandini> w00t!
[16:16] <brandini> Linux localhost 3.0.0-1205-omap4 #10-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 29 03:57:24 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[16:16] <brandini> armv7l x3
[16:16] <GrueMaster> xranby: Excellent.
[16:16] <brandini> ndec1: any openings near NE ohio?
[16:21] <xranby> GrueMaster: when testing  i noted that the soundscard did not get detected while running the oem-setup      but the soundcard got found when the lightdm login screen got displayed
[16:21] <xranby> so the first thing i heard was the login sound..   excellent
[16:22] <GrueMaster> xranby: That could be a pulseaudio thing.  Not sure.
[16:22] <GrueMaster> Right now, I am fighting to get through oem-config without respawning.  Seems I am the only one experiencing this (although I can do it reliably on multiple boards with different SD cards).
[16:26] <ndec1> xranby: GrueMaster: i am also seing that the soundcard is detected only after loging in
[16:27] <ndec1> aplay -l does not return the same thing before and after login
[16:27] <ndec1> you know where it's coming from?
[16:30] <GrueMaster> It could be that pulseaudio is having issues running as root during oem-config.  On firstboot, there is no default user and no user environment established.  pulseaudio runs as a user app.
[16:31] <ndec1> even after installation, i get this. if you open a console before logging into lightdm (ssh or serial), aplay doesn't return anything
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Very odd.  On my server images, I see both Panda & PandaHDMI in /proc/asound/cards.  May need more alsa tweeks.
[16:35] <infinity> You're supposed to see both.
[16:36] <GrueMaster> Yes, but you should also be able to use both.
[16:41] <GrueMaster> It appears we are missing a mixer device when logged in through the console (testing on ubuntu-server).
[18:26] <GrueMaster> ogra_: On today's image, clicking on the ti icon and telling software center to use this source causes software center to crash.
[18:31] <GrueMaster> I'd file a bug, but I am getting an "Unexpected Form Data error from lp.  sigh.
[18:42] <ogra_> GrueMaster, ouch
[19:21] <infinity> GrueMaster: Did you have an open bug for the "no swap" thing?
[19:21] <infinity> GrueMaster: Going to slide that in right now.
[19:21] <GrueMaster> I'll look
[19:22] <infinity> ogra_: Did you have any urge to have swap on ac100?  ac100-tarball-installer doesn't currently look for and enable it.
[19:22] <infinity> ogra_: (Right now, I'm just enabling it for jasper-using images)
[19:27] <GrueMaster> infinity: I could have sworn I had a bug filed on that, but I'm not turning up anything.  Will try google.
[19:29] <infinity> I see nothing filed by you...
[19:32] <GrueMaster> I don't even see where it was removed in jasper.
[19:33] <GrueMaster> Wait, Revno 119 removed it from jasper and added it to livecd-rootfs.
[19:33] <GrueMaster> And I guess it was never enabled in the new image build tool.
[19:34] <infinity> Right, which is what I'm fixing.
[19:35] <infinity> Well, what I've fixed.  Was just curious if you had a bug to reference in the changelog. :P
[19:35] <infinity> Which would be nice.
[19:35]  * infinity goes to find a drink and see if a Tobinish bug appears while he's gone. :)
[19:35] <GrueMaster> Should I create one?
[19:35] <GrueMaster> ok
[19:40] <GrueMaster> Bug #868662  for you to play with.
[19:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868662 in live-build "Switching to live-build dropped swap file creation on preinstalled images" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868662
[19:48] <infinity> GrueMaster: Thanks, fix uploaded.
[19:49] <infinity> I find myself wondering if your oem-config* issues are just bad timing with the fact that (ana)cron is still running during the install.
[19:49] <infinity> I'd hoped to fix that in ubiquity, but I might be running out of time.
[19:49] <GrueMaster> very possible.
[19:50] <infinity> Still annoying that I can't reproduce.  Could just be because I have faster SD cards, so the timing is different.
[19:51] <GrueMaster> Define "faster".  I have everything from class 4 to class 10, 4G-16G.
[19:51] <GrueMaster> Different brands even.
[19:51] <infinity> My testing is mostly on a 32G Lexar class 10, which actually seems to perform faster than the box should suggest.
[19:52] <infinity> But s/faster/different/ is all it takes for timing issues, really.
[19:53] <GrueMaster> Ah, well I don't have any of the extremely big ones.  Cost too much still.
[19:54] <GrueMaster> I actually think it may be more of a kernel issue than an actual SD card issue.  Same cards work fine on beagle.  I even have tried the microSD cards in an adapter.
[20:29] <prpplague> sebjan: ping
[20:37] <utlemming> skaet: for tomorrow's RC and Cloud Images....did we want to promote a daily build or not?
[20:38] <skaet> utlemming,  yes we'll want to promote the daily builds to the iso tester.
[20:51] <brandini> is there any word on getting mongodb to work properly on here?
[20:51] <brandini> I built it by hand but it's got bugs and won't start up
[21:04] <janimo> brandini, which version?
[21:04] <janimo> the one in oneiric?
[21:04] <janimo> do you have a bug link in LP?
[21:05] <janimo> brandini, if not, please file one with details and add tag arm-porting-queue to it
[21:27] <infinity> Erm, haven't we talked about it before?
[21:27] <stephen_> hi#
[21:27] <infinity> mongodb needs serious upstream love to support anything !x86.
[21:27] <stephen_> hi
[21:28] <stephen_> Trying to get HDMI working with my pandaboard on my HDMI tv. It doesnt seem to autodetect the edid and set the sscreen correctly
[21:28] <stephen_> anyone have any suggestions on what I could do?
[21:28] <GrueMaster> stephen_: Which Ubuntu release?
[21:28] <infinity> brandini / janimo:
[21:28] <infinity>   The mongodb server depends on both little-endianness and unaligned memory
[21:28] <infinity>   access, which I believe means it can only work on i386 and amd64. We believe
[21:28] <infinity>   that the mongodb will be useful even it is not available for all Debian
[21:29] <infinity>   supported platforms.
[21:29] <stephen_> Im running natty 11.04
[21:29] <stephen_> (pandaboard precompiled image)
[21:29] <infinity> stephen_: Is the TV pluggged in when you boot?  Hot-plugging HDMI seems to be a bit iffy here.
[21:29] <GrueMaster> I just hit an oddity.  Switched my keyboard/mouse to a different system, and it reported caps-lock opposite of the keyboard LED.
[21:29] <stephen_> all plugged in on boot yeh
[21:30] <stephen_> my TV is slightly older, only supports 720p
[21:30] <stephen_> (I need HDMI mode 16 I believe, 1280x720@50Hz)
[21:30] <GrueMaster> stephen_: You might try the latest daily for Oneiric.  A lot of changes have been made to the edid code.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current
[21:31] <stephen_> ah I wasnt aware one of those was avilable yet :) I'll certainly give that a shot. If not, where is a good resource for bootargs
[21:31] <stephen_> I was having a look around, but the wiki I saw was a bit light
[21:32] <GrueMaster> I'll have to look for the bootargs, but I think they are on omappedia.org
[21:34] <stephen_> for bootargs, when I create a boot.scr would I just need the opne arg, or are there other trimmings requred?
[21:34] <infinity> You shouldn't need any args at all, unless autodetection still fails us.
[21:35] <GrueMaster> infinity: On some sets it may.  Hence why I suggested using Oneiric as a test first.
[21:36] <stephen_> I will be giving oneric a shot as soon as I can. After that Ill pop back if I don't have any luck
[21:37] <stephen_> Im expecting that it wont work, as my TV is probably a bit useless.
[21:37] <stephen_> I just had a look at boot.script in my /boot directory
[21:37] <AustereGrim> Ok, so I think I'm going to start putting my abilities to getting ubuntu arm on the android toshiba thrive...
[21:38] <stephen_> is it just a plain text file, or will I be needing to use the boot.scr way (I forgot the exact commands)
[21:38] <GrueMaster> AustereGrim: Cool.  Good luck.  If you succeed maybe we can add it to our community images next cycle.
[21:39] <AustereGrim> GrueMaster I hope, it's more of a hopeful endeavour, I just don't see me needing to make another android image that someone else is already doing the same thing...
[21:42] <GrueMaster> stephen_: The link you want for the display parameters is http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootargs_for_enabling_display
[21:43] <stephen_> ah i see
[21:44] <stephen_> omapfb.mode=1280x720MR-24@50
[21:45] <stephen_> is that what I would likely want?
[21:52] <GrueMaster> Possibly.  Not sure about your system.
[21:52] <MrCurious> got a second grue?
[21:54] <stephen_> for HDMI is it more likely that sort of thing, or setting omapfb.hdmimode
[21:55] <GrueMaster> MrCurious: Barely, what's up?
[21:57] <GrueMaster> stephen_: I think the omapfb.mode is what you want, but I'm not really sure.
[21:57] <MrCurious> was thinking about reinstalling pandaboard ubuntu and was wondering if the usb speed fix has made it into the distro's yet and if you knew
[21:58] <stephen_> thanks anyway :)
[21:58] <stephen_> ill try oneric, then experiment :)
[21:59] <GrueMaster> MrCurious: It is in Maverick-updates and Oneiric.  I have to test Natty-proposed as soon as it comes up (this week I hope).
[21:59] <MrCurious> awesome
[22:00] <MrCurious> so i just have to be a little more patient :)
[22:01] <infinity> MrCurious: Or just install oneiric and help test. ;)
[22:02] <MrCurious> is Oneiric a 11.10 variant?
[22:02] <GrueMaster> One and the same.
[22:03] <MrCurious> then i definitely need to give it a test run (in a week when the fix i hang on is in)
[22:03] <infinity> MrCurious: Hrm?
[22:03] <infinity> MrCurious: What fix is that?
[22:03] <MrCurious> usb speed
[22:03] <infinity> MrCurious: It's in.
[22:03] <MrCurious> hard disk/camera
[22:03] <GrueMaster> Maverick=10.10, Natty=11.04, Oneiric=11.10, and as of today, Precise=12.04.
[22:04] <infinity> MrCurious: It's only natty where the fix is lagging.  It's been in oneiric for ages.
[22:04] <GrueMaster> MrCurious: It is in on the Oneiric builds for a few weeks now.
[22:04] <MrCurious> then i have something for this weekend. locating its download spot now :)
[22:05] <GrueMaster> MrCurious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current.
[22:05] <GrueMaster> Even has working audio.
[22:05] <MrCurious> even better, but i was only about 2 clicks away from there, and i lost the race :(
[22:07] <MrCurious> thanks, will cry and complain once i get it installed :P
[22:07] <MrCurious> that was funnier before i typed it
[22:08] <infinity> I'll go put on my ignoring IRC pants.
[22:09] <MrCurious> guess i wont be quitting that day job any time soon
[22:16] <GrueMaster> heh
[22:17] <zul> hey how do you get into single user mode on the pandaboard?
[22:18] <GrueMaster> Single user mode?  I would guess it is the same on any Ubuntu platform (not that I know what that is).
[22:20] <GrueMaster> MrCurious: If you ask any silly questions, I will be forced to make you listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIPWGAzEZlA
[22:20] <GrueMaster> :P
[22:21] <AustereGrim> I was reading about that... in the creation of a live cd.
[22:21] <AustereGrim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization if it helps
[22:21] <AustereGrim> uhm single user mode...
[22:22] <AustereGrim> "Removing the (Casper) Autologin" ?
[22:22] <AustereGrim> or reverse of that?
[22:22] <zul> GrueMaster: with uboot?
[22:23] <AustereGrim> or is that something different than what you're looking for zul?
[22:24] <zul> something different i changed a permission on a file that i shouldnt have and now i cant login i need a way to init=/bin/sh with ubuntu
[22:24] <zul> s/ubuntu/uboot/g
[22:25] <AustereGrim> ah... i get you... sorry.
[22:25] <janimo> infinity, thanks, had no idea they were so non-portable. I wonder if it was a consciously made trade-off or it just happened
[22:25] <janimo> maybe in order to dealwith their bson format they do byte level manipulation or it is too slow
[22:25] <GrueMaster> zul: SD or USB drive?  OYu can just mount the device on a pc (running linux) and reedit the file.
[22:26] <zul> GrueMaster: sd card i dont have an sd reader handy
[22:26] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[22:28] <infinity> janimo: I imagine it could be ported (but perhaps with non-portable DB formats, which is fairly common for that sort of thing), but I also suspect it would be some Serious Effort.
[22:29] <janimo> infinity, their focus is probably speed (that's what  I keep hearing about mongo) so they do not even consider ARM for the moment
[22:29] <brandini> janimo: thanks for the reply
[22:29] <brandini> I'm running daily
[22:29] <infinity> janimo: ARM likes speed!
[22:29] <infinity> janimo: But yeah.  I don't think it's a "throw a few hours at the problem" deal, I think it's a "get deeply involved upstream and seriously think it through" thing.
[22:29] <janimo> brandini, see what infinity said, that is likely more helpful than what I said. Still a bug in LP as a reminder/tracker would not hurt, maybe even linked to an upstram bug if it exists
[22:30] <janimo> infinity, well fox likes grapes too
[22:30] <infinity> janimo: Is that a Romanian saying?
[22:30] <brandini> janimo: they have a bug filed in their tracker
[22:30] <brandini> they being mongodb
[22:30] <janimo> infinity, hmm, I think it is from one of Aesoph's fables
[22:30] <janimo> fox saying grapes wee sour after it could not reach them
[22:30] <janimo> but regardless, probably a bad analogy
[22:31] <brandini> are there alternative nosql DB's that run on arm?
[22:31] <janimo> as in ARM likes speed, but cannot attain it at the level x86 does these days
[22:31] <janimo> brandini, couchdb does
[22:31] <brandini> excellent
[22:32] <infinity> brandini: By "nosql", you mean not SQL, or not an RDBMS server?
[22:32] <janimo> casandra and other java based ones are affected by java itself being slow and buggy on ARM
[22:32] <janimo> open source java that is
[22:32] <AustereGrim> java, slow? buggy? nooo... that can't be... .
[22:32] <infinity> (And it also depends on how you want to access it... If via libraries and bindings is cool, the options are endless...)
[22:33] <infinity> BDB and SQLite being the two usual choices, though.
[22:33] <brandini> ugh, an apache project :)
[22:37] <brandini> how well does couchdb run on the pandaboard?
[22:37] <brandini> I can give it an SSD to store its data on :)
[22:42] <MrCurious> grue: little fluffy clouds rocks
[22:44] <MrCurious> perhaps the worse version of the song, but at the same time intriguing
[22:46] <MrCurious> wow! even a surprise ending
[22:46] <MrCurious> sounded a bit jordi to me