[00:09] so rebuilding gtk-sharp causes the GUI to appear but it doesn't actually wokr [00:09] grumble [00:23] GrueMaster: try testing with the debs in my panda homefolder 192.168.0.60 [00:23] ubuntu:ubuntu [00:24] NCommander: you know that's a private address, right? ;-) [00:24] twb: I live with GrueMaster :-P [00:24] You poor man [00:24] twb: him or me :-P [00:25] yes [00:27] +1 brandini [00:33] GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/853539 [00:33] Launchpad bug 853539 in banshee "Banshee wont start" [Undecided,Triaged] [00:36] NCommander: Wrong arch. Read the bug details. May be similar, but since it works on x86, I'm doubting it. Also, this is for 2.1.4. We are on 2.2.0 [00:36] ugh [00:40] following the gconftool-2 instructions has no effect. [00:41] And the bug you want to follow is Bug #857299 [00:41] Launchpad bug 857299 in banshee "banshee window remain white on startup on pandaboard" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857299 [00:54] so the code that throws the exception only throws it if something is <0 [01:01] I'm blocking ATM on how to debug this [01:01] but it is breaking in Banshee (Hyena.Gui) [01:06] I'm still loading build dependencies. Seems apt-get build-dep doesn't get all of them (gmcs, boo so far). [02:49] Interesting. I may have found the issue. http://banshee-media-player.2283330.n4.nabble.com/Banshee-crashes-after-updating-compiled-version-tp3862966p3862966.html appears to say that banshee 2.2 requires mono-addins 0.6.2, We have 0.6.1. [03:00] Nope. Not it (apparently). [03:00] sigh. [03:01] Banshee needs mono now? Sheesh. [03:02] Its a mono app. Always has been. [03:02] Rassum frassum [03:03] Personally, I don't like either of the two gnome music apps (Banshee, Rhythmbox). But that's just me. [03:04] Last time I looked at rhythmbox (8.04) it looks OK for what it was [03:13] Yes, but apparently it won't work with ubuntuone (or at lease ubuntuone won't work with it). Don't ask me why. [03:13] But we may revert to that for this release. Will know more Thursday. [03:16] I expect canonical cares about that, but I don't :P [03:18] Well, at least Pithos runs well on armel. Pandora on Panda rocks. [03:19] Oh lame [03:19] I thought you meant like the pandora game handheld [03:19] May need to move my normal pandora setup to this system. Chumby is getting a little long in the tooth. [03:19] No, online music. Beats my local collection. [03:20] "We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S." [03:20] There's a couple of CC-flavoured ones that I would use if I could be arsed. IIRC recent versions of rhythmbox know about them OOTB [03:20] Yea, blame the industry, not Pandora. Freaking RIAA and ASCAP. [03:21] Both fight for licensing rights, neither really care about the artists. [03:23] I used to work in a lounge that featured live bands. During the day, they would play cds from the local bands that would play Friday & Saturday, until ASCAP came and told us to stop or pay. We even had one of the artists there, while his music was playing. [03:24] At any rate, that is a long rant from 16 years ago ('95). [03:24] Well, I've put in my 14 hours. Time to go veg on the tube. === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:00] GrueMaster: no love updating mono-addins (hadto take a brick to it to get it installed but no comparable difference :-/) [09:00] in banshee [09:38] Hi guys, I've read every thread I could find on google groups but didn't find a new answer: Is hd video acceleration possible with natty on the pandaboard nowadays? I'm using the TI ppa with ubuntu-omap4-extras installed [09:39] no [09:39] And as a second question: Is there no performance governor anymore with natty? I don't find it anymore in the usual place [09:39] wait for oneiric or use maverick [09:39] Ti did no work on the natty port of the omx bits [09:39] ogra_: Wow fast answer...even if it's not what I hoped for ;) [09:39] (lets hope that makes the oneiric one twice as good :) ) [09:40] ogra_: I'm experienced with beta versions, is there already support for it in the current dev version of oneiric? [09:41] I would test it then and give feedback... [09:42] plasmasolutions_, i dont think TI has uploaded to the PPA yet, ndec1 might be able to giev an ETA (i would gueyy by release its there though) [09:42] *guess even [09:43] plasmasolutions_: short answer: not available now. long answer: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/2aa25aab6635fb02 [09:45] ogra_: ndec1: Thank you for your help...I'm reading your post now... [09:50] ndec1: Wow, this post was needed... why is it so difficult to find?! Should be linked on the ubuntu wiki... [09:51] ndec1: So ist's more than likely that we'll get the packages once oneiric is ready...that's goog news! [09:52] goog = good :) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [09:56] plasmasolutions_: this is the last message in the pandaboard group... [09:58] ndec1: I'm now a member of this group...so important news will not pass away again :) [10:01] ndec1: So thank you very much..I have to leave now. But I will try maverick and oneiric once it's ready! Looking really forward to this release...bye [10:23] ndec1, what is the difference between gst-ducati and gst-openmax? [10:23] I read the mail you lined to above and it mentions this change in the PPA [10:24] janimo: they do the same thing, in the sense that they decode/encode using h/w acceleration. but they use different low level APIs to do it [10:24] gst-openmax uses OMX, gst-ducati uses DCE [10:24] ndec1, are they competing or is one replacing the other? [10:25] is DCE a TI-only technology? [10:25] yes. [10:25] Distributed Codec Engine. [10:25] codec engine is TI API for codecs [10:26] OMX uses CE API, and DCE uses the same API. [10:26] janimo: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/2aa25aab6635fb02 [10:26] oops... wrong copy paste... here is it: http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.com/2010/11/announcing-libdce-and-gst-ducati.html [10:29] ndec1, thanks. Still not clear from it whether it is preferred to openmax. Probably not if portability is in mind. Is TI also updating gst-openmax though? [10:30] janimo, the point is that whatever android chooses as default should be used, else you add extra workload [10:31] and i think android moves away from omx [10:33] ok, but android moves to something that is not in classic linux [10:33] but I see your point [10:33] its not in classic lunix, but the kernel side implementation will be the same [10:34] *linux indeed :) [10:37] ogra_: no android is not moving away from OMX. [10:37] oh, i thought they do [10:37] we are moving away from what we do in android ;-) [10:37] i stand corrected then :) [10:37] ogra_: if you read that somewhere, please share the link [10:37] i didnt :) [11:46] ogra_, Andoid moves from OpenCore to StageFright maybe that's what you (and I) mixed up with moving from OMX? [11:47] yeah, i just knew everything is moving right now :) [11:47] lots of multimedia related codenames around [11:47] wohoo, another sprint in budapest \o/ [11:47] * ogra_ guesses infinity will like that :) [11:48] where is it announced? [11:48] check your mails :) [11:51] I checked right aft6er you said it. But I rmember my inbox is lagging a bit. So will get it in 20 minutes :) [11:52] are ysou using uucp ? *g* [11:52] homing pigeons [11:53] heh [11:53] unladen though. For maximum speed [11:53] flying forwards or backwards ? [11:53] (or belly up ?) [11:54] show out of a cannon, wings tied to the body [11:54] s/show/shot/ [11:54] heh, yeah, that should be pretty fast [13:13] Hi everybody [13:14] morning [13:15] I have got a BeagleBoard-xM and wonder which Ubuntu release to use. [13:16] depends on the board revision ... the newer the more likely it is that your revision isnt supported out of the box in an older release [13:17] According to u-boot it is "Rev C". (That's probably also the meaning of the "C" sticker on the board.) [13:17] then i would suggest oneiric [13:18] latest daily, shouldnt change much until tomorrow (when we build the Release Candidate images) [13:18] This would be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/oneiric-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz then? [13:19] yep [13:20] Great! Because I have already tested Maverick in order to avoid Natty's https://launchpad.net/bugs/771537, and could not get it to boot. [13:20] Launchpad bug 771537 in linux "Beagle XM lacks proper 1Ghz support" [Medium,In progress] [13:31] right,. oneiric should fix that [13:41] Thanks. I'll report back when I continue testing tomorrow. [13:42] great, feedback is really appreciated since we are testing for release [13:58] will the new oneiric not work with the older Beaglebaord xM Rev.A3? [13:58] it should work with all beagle XMs that are currently available [13:58] ok thanks [13:59] the older ones dont since the boards showed up after or around release time [13:59] we offer updated bootloader and kernel files you can replace on the older images, oneiric includes all these bits [14:00] ok, I have an Rev A3 and a Rev B, im gonna play with both of them by the end of the week. glad to hear they will both work with oneiric [14:01] if you find issues, please tell us [14:03] will do [14:03] downloading image from link above [14:55] ndec1, yo ! i just got an oder acknowledgement for a 4460 :) [14:55] ogra_: ? [14:55] from TI [14:56] seems there is a 4460 in shipment to me [14:57] I got one Saturday. Still no box though. [14:59] ogra_: cool! do you have the ID ? [15:00] hmm, there are a bunch of numbers, which is the ID ? :) [15:01] * ogra_ thinks what he just got from the postman is just a bill ... has the usual $0.00 [15:02] ndec1: The Order Ack # for mine is 143064217. Is that the number you are looking for? [15:03] do you have a RQST number? or the model number? [15:05] OMAP4460UEVMES11GP12GHZTIWI-BLE or UEVM4460G-02-01-00. Those are the only other numbers on my copy. [15:05] same here [15:15] I wish it was friday and I could hack on my pandaboard [15:19] ogra_: GrueMaster: ok. that looks good! [15:23] ndec1: Any info on the new boards? Same/similar to panda? Same power? I'd like to get mine online as soon as it arrives so that I can say it works for Oneiric. [15:34] If you get an 4460 then *I* should get a 4460 too! [15:34] You just plug that into your pandaboard and voila eh? ;) === aust-went-home is now known as AustereGrim [16:02] wonder if I could get a job doing dev for these SoC things [16:04] brandini: plenty of job openings for skilled developers [16:05] I don't have any experience doing it, but I do have good skills and a great ability to learn === Jack87|Away is now known as Jack87 [16:06] brandini: as prpplague said, yes, we are always open to great people ;-) === Jack87 is now known as Jack87|Away [16:07] we == ubuntu? [16:08] brandini: and others [16:09] wonder if there are any in NE ohio [16:14] brandini: i work for TI ;-) [16:15] nice sound on the panda board! [16:15] tested todays daily image 20111005 and can confirm that the fix from 1003 fixed [16:15] w00t! [16:16] Linux localhost 3.0.0-1205-omap4 #10-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 29 03:57:24 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux [16:16] armv7l x3 [16:16] xranby: Excellent. [16:16] ndec1: any openings near NE ohio? [16:21] GrueMaster: when testing i noted that the soundscard did not get detected while running the oem-setup but the soundcard got found when the lightdm login screen got displayed [16:21] so the first thing i heard was the login sound.. excellent [16:22] xranby: That could be a pulseaudio thing. Not sure. [16:22] Right now, I am fighting to get through oem-config without respawning. Seems I am the only one experiencing this (although I can do it reliably on multiple boards with different SD cards). [16:26] xranby: GrueMaster: i am also seing that the soundcard is detected only after loging in [16:27] aplay -l does not return the same thing before and after login [16:27] you know where it's coming from? [16:30] It could be that pulseaudio is having issues running as root during oem-config. On firstboot, there is no default user and no user environment established. pulseaudio runs as a user app. [16:31] even after installation, i get this. if you open a console before logging into lightdm (ssh or serial), aplay doesn't return anything [16:34] Very odd. On my server images, I see both Panda & PandaHDMI in /proc/asound/cards. May need more alsa tweeks. [16:35] You're supposed to see both. [16:36] Yes, but you should also be able to use both. [16:41] It appears we are missing a mixer device when logged in through the console (testing on ubuntu-server). [18:26] ogra_: On today's image, clicking on the ti icon and telling software center to use this source causes software center to crash. [18:31] I'd file a bug, but I am getting an "Unexpected Form Data error from lp. sigh. [18:42] GrueMaster, ouch [19:21] GrueMaster: Did you have an open bug for the "no swap" thing? [19:21] GrueMaster: Going to slide that in right now. [19:21] I'll look [19:22] ogra_: Did you have any urge to have swap on ac100? ac100-tarball-installer doesn't currently look for and enable it. [19:22] ogra_: (Right now, I'm just enabling it for jasper-using images) [19:27] infinity: I could have sworn I had a bug filed on that, but I'm not turning up anything. Will try google. [19:29] I see nothing filed by you... [19:32] I don't even see where it was removed in jasper. [19:33] Wait, Revno 119 removed it from jasper and added it to livecd-rootfs. [19:33] And I guess it was never enabled in the new image build tool. [19:34] Right, which is what I'm fixing. [19:35] Well, what I've fixed. Was just curious if you had a bug to reference in the changelog. :P [19:35] Which would be nice. [19:35] * infinity goes to find a drink and see if a Tobinish bug appears while he's gone. :) [19:35] Should I create one? [19:35] ok [19:40] Bug #868662 for you to play with. [19:40] Launchpad bug 868662 in live-build "Switching to live-build dropped swap file creation on preinstalled images" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868662 [19:48] GrueMaster: Thanks, fix uploaded. [19:49] I find myself wondering if your oem-config* issues are just bad timing with the fact that (ana)cron is still running during the install. [19:49] I'd hoped to fix that in ubiquity, but I might be running out of time. [19:49] very possible. [19:50] Still annoying that I can't reproduce. Could just be because I have faster SD cards, so the timing is different. [19:51] Define "faster". I have everything from class 4 to class 10, 4G-16G. [19:51] Different brands even. [19:51] My testing is mostly on a 32G Lexar class 10, which actually seems to perform faster than the box should suggest. [19:52] But s/faster/different/ is all it takes for timing issues, really. [19:53] Ah, well I don't have any of the extremely big ones. Cost too much still. [19:54] I actually think it may be more of a kernel issue than an actual SD card issue. Same cards work fine on beagle. I even have tried the microSD cards in an adapter. [20:29] sebjan: ping [20:37] skaet: for tomorrow's RC and Cloud Images....did we want to promote a daily build or not? [20:38] utlemming, yes we'll want to promote the daily builds to the iso tester. [20:51] is there any word on getting mongodb to work properly on here? [20:51] I built it by hand but it's got bugs and won't start up [21:04] brandini, which version? [21:04] the one in oneiric? [21:04] do you have a bug link in LP? [21:05] brandini, if not, please file one with details and add tag arm-porting-queue to it [21:27] Erm, haven't we talked about it before? [21:27] hi# [21:27] mongodb needs serious upstream love to support anything !x86. [21:27] hi [21:28] Trying to get HDMI working with my pandaboard on my HDMI tv. It doesnt seem to autodetect the edid and set the sscreen correctly [21:28] anyone have any suggestions on what I could do? [21:28] stephen_: Which Ubuntu release? [21:28] brandini / janimo: [21:28] The mongodb server depends on both little-endianness and unaligned memory [21:28] access, which I believe means it can only work on i386 and amd64. We believe [21:28] that the mongodb will be useful even it is not available for all Debian [21:29] supported platforms. [21:29] Im running natty 11.04 [21:29] (pandaboard precompiled image) [21:29] stephen_: Is the TV pluggged in when you boot? Hot-plugging HDMI seems to be a bit iffy here. [21:29] I just hit an oddity. Switched my keyboard/mouse to a different system, and it reported caps-lock opposite of the keyboard LED. [21:29] all plugged in on boot yeh [21:30] my TV is slightly older, only supports 720p [21:30] (I need HDMI mode 16 I believe, 1280x720@50Hz) [21:30] stephen_: You might try the latest daily for Oneiric. A lot of changes have been made to the edid code. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current [21:31] ah I wasnt aware one of those was avilable yet :) I'll certainly give that a shot. If not, where is a good resource for bootargs [21:31] I was having a look around, but the wiki I saw was a bit light [21:32] I'll have to look for the bootargs, but I think they are on omappedia.org [21:34] for bootargs, when I create a boot.scr would I just need the opne arg, or are there other trimmings requred? [21:34] You shouldn't need any args at all, unless autodetection still fails us. [21:35] infinity: On some sets it may. Hence why I suggested using Oneiric as a test first. [21:36] I will be giving oneric a shot as soon as I can. After that Ill pop back if I don't have any luck [21:37] Im expecting that it wont work, as my TV is probably a bit useless. [21:37] I just had a look at boot.script in my /boot directory [21:37] Ok, so I think I'm going to start putting my abilities to getting ubuntu arm on the android toshiba thrive... [21:38] is it just a plain text file, or will I be needing to use the boot.scr way (I forgot the exact commands) [21:38] AustereGrim: Cool. Good luck. If you succeed maybe we can add it to our community images next cycle. [21:39] GrueMaster I hope, it's more of a hopeful endeavour, I just don't see me needing to make another android image that someone else is already doing the same thing... [21:42] stephen_: The link you want for the display parameters is http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootargs_for_enabling_display [21:43] ah i see [21:44] omapfb.mode=1280x720MR-24@50 [21:45] is that what I would likely want? [21:52] Possibly. Not sure about your system. [21:52] got a second grue? [21:54] for HDMI is it more likely that sort of thing, or setting omapfb.hdmimode [21:55] MrCurious: Barely, what's up? [21:57] stephen_: I think the omapfb.mode is what you want, but I'm not really sure. [21:57] was thinking about reinstalling pandaboard ubuntu and was wondering if the usb speed fix has made it into the distro's yet and if you knew [21:58] thanks anyway :) [21:58] ill try oneric, then experiment :) [21:59] MrCurious: It is in Maverick-updates and Oneiric. I have to test Natty-proposed as soon as it comes up (this week I hope). [21:59] awesome [22:00] so i just have to be a little more patient :) [22:01] MrCurious: Or just install oneiric and help test. ;) [22:02] is Oneiric a 11.10 variant? [22:02] One and the same. [22:03] then i definitely need to give it a test run (in a week when the fix i hang on is in) [22:03] MrCurious: Hrm? [22:03] MrCurious: What fix is that? [22:03] usb speed [22:03] MrCurious: It's in. [22:03] hard disk/camera [22:03] Maverick=10.10, Natty=11.04, Oneiric=11.10, and as of today, Precise=12.04. [22:04] MrCurious: It's only natty where the fix is lagging. It's been in oneiric for ages. [22:04] MrCurious: It is in on the Oneiric builds for a few weeks now. [22:04] then i have something for this weekend. locating its download spot now :) [22:05] MrCurious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current. [22:05] Even has working audio. [22:05] even better, but i was only about 2 clicks away from there, and i lost the race :( [22:07] thanks, will cry and complain once i get it installed :P [22:07] that was funnier before i typed it [22:08] I'll go put on my ignoring IRC pants. [22:09] guess i wont be quitting that day job any time soon [22:16] heh [22:17] hey how do you get into single user mode on the pandaboard? [22:18] Single user mode? I would guess it is the same on any Ubuntu platform (not that I know what that is). [22:20] MrCurious: If you ask any silly questions, I will be forced to make you listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIPWGAzEZlA [22:20] :P [22:21] I was reading about that... in the creation of a live cd. [22:21] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization if it helps [22:21] uhm single user mode... [22:22] "Removing the (Casper) Autologin" ? [22:22] or reverse of that? [22:22] GrueMaster: with uboot? [22:23] or is that something different than what you're looking for zul? [22:24] something different i changed a permission on a file that i shouldnt have and now i cant login i need a way to init=/bin/sh with ubuntu [22:24] s/ubuntu/uboot/g [22:25] ah... i get you... sorry. [22:25] infinity, thanks, had no idea they were so non-portable. I wonder if it was a consciously made trade-off or it just happened [22:25] maybe in order to dealwith their bson format they do byte level manipulation or it is too slow [22:25] zul: SD or USB drive? OYu can just mount the device on a pc (running linux) and reedit the file. [22:26] GrueMaster: sd card i dont have an sd reader handy [22:26] Ah. [22:28] janimo: I imagine it could be ported (but perhaps with non-portable DB formats, which is fairly common for that sort of thing), but I also suspect it would be some Serious Effort. [22:29] infinity, their focus is probably speed (that's what I keep hearing about mongo) so they do not even consider ARM for the moment [22:29] janimo: thanks for the reply [22:29] I'm running daily [22:29] janimo: ARM likes speed! [22:29] janimo: But yeah. I don't think it's a "throw a few hours at the problem" deal, I think it's a "get deeply involved upstream and seriously think it through" thing. [22:29] brandini, see what infinity said, that is likely more helpful than what I said. Still a bug in LP as a reminder/tracker would not hurt, maybe even linked to an upstram bug if it exists [22:30] infinity, well fox likes grapes too [22:30] janimo: Is that a Romanian saying? [22:30] janimo: they have a bug filed in their tracker [22:30] they being mongodb [22:30] infinity, hmm, I think it is from one of Aesoph's fables [22:30] fox saying grapes wee sour after it could not reach them [22:30] but regardless, probably a bad analogy [22:31] are there alternative nosql DB's that run on arm? [22:31] as in ARM likes speed, but cannot attain it at the level x86 does these days [22:31] brandini, couchdb does [22:31] excellent [22:32] brandini: By "nosql", you mean not SQL, or not an RDBMS server? [22:32] casandra and other java based ones are affected by java itself being slow and buggy on ARM [22:32] open source java that is [22:32] java, slow? buggy? nooo... that can't be... . [22:32] (And it also depends on how you want to access it... If via libraries and bindings is cool, the options are endless...) [22:33] BDB and SQLite being the two usual choices, though. [22:33] ugh, an apache project :) [22:37] how well does couchdb run on the pandaboard? [22:37] I can give it an SSD to store its data on :) [22:42] grue: little fluffy clouds rocks [22:44] perhaps the worse version of the song, but at the same time intriguing [22:46] wow! even a surprise ending [22:46] sounded a bit jordi to me