[02:13] <ntrly_owl> ikt: yes, i ran into the python error on wicd 1.7.90
[02:13] <ntrly_owl> 1.7.0
[02:42] <ntrly_owl> head_victim: script sounds useful thanks
[04:06] <ntrly_owl> should 10.04 be distro updated to 10.10 or 11.10?
[04:07] <blahdeblah> ntrly_owl: You can chose whichever one you prefer.  LTS releases can be upgraded to the next LTS release, or to the next normal release.
[04:07] <ntrly_owl> 11.10 isnt lts is it?
[08:15] <blahdeblah> ntrly_owl: I'm not sure about 11.10
[08:18] <head_victim> ntrly_owl: you should go 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 > 11.10 or you can just wait for 12.04 and then go 10.04 > 12.04 The only release jump officially supported is from LTS to LTS.
[08:18] <head_victim> Gday blahdeblah 
[08:25] <sagaci> hi
[08:54] <ntrly_owl> ok
[08:54] <ntrly_owl> ill just go 10.10 for now i guess
[08:55] <head_victim> ntrly_owl: you can try it but it's not generally recommended.
[08:56] <head_victim> If you break it you get to keep all the pieces.
[08:56] <ntrly_owl> yeah any kind of distro update on ubuntu breaks too much stuff
[09:27] <blahdeblah> head_victim: hi
[09:27] <blahdeblah> head_victim: LTS to the next non-LTS has been officially supported as long as i can remember
[09:28] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah that's what I was trying to say, jumping releases except lts to lts is not recommended
[09:29] <blahdeblah> And i'm saying the opposite :-P
[09:29] <blahdeblah> I've done it several times with no ill effects
[09:30] <head_victim> blahdeblah: you've skipped releases without dramas?
[09:31] <blahdeblah> no, not skipped - just LTS to the *next* non-LTS e.g. from 8.04 to 8.10 or 10.04 to 10.10
[09:31] <head_victim> Ah yeah, I think I"m more tired than I thought.
[09:32] <head_victim> Yeah non lts to non lts is no dramas but from 10.04 to 11.10 might be a stretch unless you do it in intermediate steps
[09:33] <blahdeblah> Yeah - i definitely wouldn't try that without jumping through the other distros 
[09:33] <blahdeblah> Although, i have upgraded from 8.04 to Debian 5 (lenny). ;-)
[09:37] <head_victim> I'm awaiting 12.04 to update this machine. Unity has come a very long way in the last 6 months (using in VMs) and would probably start with 11.10 if it weren't for the upgrade path being convoluted from 10.04.
[09:37] <head_victim> I wasn't happy with 11.04 but 11.10 is looking good
[10:04] <gorilla> head_victim: what about Unity?
[10:04] <head_victim> I'm starting to like how it's progressing. 11.04 was far too beta for me but 11.10 is starting to come together. 
[10:05] <gorilla> Here's hoping as it could annoy half the community if it doesn't gel with the masses.
[10:07] <head_victim> Yeah, I'm hoping the refinement continues. I've been trying to compare it to other new GUIs and I'm starting to think will do more than enough for my needs.
[10:08] <head_victim> At least in 11.10 it's back to being able to chop and change the DE without breaking things.
[10:17] <gorilla> Here's hoping that Windows 8 is as bad as people have been saying. The alternative OS would needs another Vista.
[10:18] <head_victim> On a brighter note I was asked to set up a windows 7 pc the other day. I had to decline because I'm so far out of how to set them up securely I couldn't honestly even attempt that anymore.
[10:20] <gorilla> head_victim: Ditto. Though I am considering a Windows laptop for work purposes. Need to figure out how to secure that.. wihout recurring fees for anti-virus and the like.
[10:20] <head_victim> gorilla: if you figured it out please let me know, the wife still "has" to have windows on her PC.
[10:21] <head_victim> I'm getting a crappy Dell for my work laptop that I'm going to use for personal use by installing Ubuntu to a USB stick and booting off that
[10:24] <gorilla> I have installed AVG free on a windos machine at work.. appears to work okay. It doesn't receive email so I'm not sure how to see if it is working.
[10:24] <head_victim> Going to see if I can stretch the integrated video to Urban Terror or something.
[10:24] <head_victim> In the past I've used AVG, Spybot S & D and common sense
[10:25] <gorilla> the terrorist wins!
[10:25] <gorilla> common sense is okay untill someone else uses the laptop.
[10:32] <head_victim> My parents call me whenever something looks suss to see if it's ok to install/open/upgrade
[10:33] <gorilla> better than being called to undo the mistake. I must say that my folks seem to keep themselves out of trouble pretty well.
[10:34] <head_victim> Yeah never once had anything really go wrong other than hardware failure so here's hoping it stays like that
[10:35] <gorilla> you should be okay. :-)
[10:36] <head_victim> My brother's are another story 
[10:37] <ntrly_owl> hmm
[10:37] <ntrly_owl> how do you add a 10.10 cd as a source to dist-upgrade from on 10.04?
[10:37] <ntrly_owl> apparently it says 'insert cd to use as source' etc but its greyed out
[10:37] <ntrly_owl> and cd is inserted
[10:39] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD
[10:39] <ntrly_owl> its the desktop cd i think |:
[10:39] <ntrly_owl> ill ask
[10:50] <ntrly_owl> what is this command line crap
[10:50] <ntrly_owl> why doesnt ubuntu have a gui for upgrading >_>
[10:51] <head_victim> ntrly_owl: does it you have the network :)
[10:51] <ntrly_owl> true
[10:51] <head_victim> Read the first part of the link I posted just before
[10:52] <ntrly_owl> Use this method if the system being upgraded is not connected to the Internet. ?
[10:53] <ntrly_owl> 3. A dialog will be displayed offering you the opportunity to upgrade using that CD. 
[10:53] <ntrly_owl> this doesnt happen
[10:53] <ntrly_owl> lame
[10:53] <head_victim> Are they using the alternate?
[10:54] <ntrly_owl> desktop i think
[10:54] <ntrly_owl> cant you update from that
[10:54] <head_victim> According to the wiki, needs to be alternate
[10:54] <ntrly_owl> bummer
[10:55] <head_victim> Speaking of which I linked you to the Natty upgrade not the Maverick
[10:55] <head_victim> So just swap Maverick to Natty BUT the instructions are the same either way
[10:55] <ntrly_owl> yeah i found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades?highlight=%28\bCategoryUpgrade\b%29
[10:56] <sagaci> hi
[10:56] <head_victim> Cool, well it does specifically say alternate so I'd say it does need to be the alternate
[10:56] <head_victim> Evening sagaci 
[10:57] <ntrly_owl> alrighty
[10:57] <sagaci> not sure how much internet I'll have coming up to this weekend, I have my phone but that's no replacement for a desktop/laptop with ethernet
[10:57] <sagaci> I'll be fine for this weekend's meeting though
[10:58] <head_victim> No worries, fingers crossed the party goes off well
[10:58] <head_victim> Remember the pictures ;)
[10:58]  * gorilla goes off to kick his printer.
[10:59] <head_victim> I'm heading off to do some other work I think.
[10:59] <head_victim> ntrly_owl: good luck with the upgrade, the wiki page you ahve knows more than I do anyway by the looks so just follow it and there shouldn't be an issue.
[10:59] <gorilla> an upgrade of kernel didn't go well.
[11:00] <head_victim> Ah, I have 2 HP printers and both are great and never had a hitch
[11:03] <ntrly_owl> ok
[11:03] <ntrly_owl> didnt work on desktop cd
[11:04] <ntrly_owl> i have 2 hp printers too ^^
[11:05] <ntrly_owl> how long would this upgrade take? should it be left overnight?
[11:06] <head_victim> ntrly_owl: my experience - 10 - 15 mins but depends on the machine
[11:13] <gorilla> head_victim: it's not the printer that's the problem. The issue was that somehow I had installed a Xen enabled kernel, hardware doesn't support it, kernel panics and reboots. On reboot, kernel panics, reboots.
[11:17] <ntrly_owl> c2d box
[11:17] <ntrly_owl> iirc
[11:20] <head_victim> sagaci: nearly finished Kubuntu-Docs
[11:21] <sagaci> goodo, looking to get to around ~80,000 by release date
[11:21] <head_victim> These aren't in Ubuntu, they're in the Launchpad ones
[11:26] <sagaci> so we just have to do what we did this cycle for the next one too
[11:28] <sagaci> signing into the ubuntu wiki on a bad connection, this should be fun
[11:49] <head_victim> sagaci: https://translations.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/oneiric/+lang/en_AU
[11:52] <sagaci> goodo, I glad I got chromium-browser done for this cycle
[11:54] <head_victim> And fingers crossed the xchat comes through
[11:55] <sagaci> yeah, hopefully