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RedSingularitybdmurray: does ubuntu QA officially support the E17 window manager?15:44
jpdsPeople use E17?15:44
pedro_is that still alive?15:44
roadmrE17, now that's a blast from the past15:44
RedSingularitypedro_: I was surprised as well :/15:44
bdmurrayRedSingularity: What do you mean by officially support?15:44
pedro_wow that reminds me of window maker and all the other windows managers from the 90's15:44
jpdsRedSingularity: As a singular point, surely you believe in Unity?15:45
RedSingularitybdmurray: a user is having a problem with update-manager when using that window manager15:45
RedSingularityjpds: lol15:45
RedSingularityjpds: still a gnome user here :)  Not ready to move on.15:46
mvoRedSingularity: what kind of problem exactly?15:46
mvoI think I will take the opportunity to try e17 again after ~10y or so ;)15:46
RedSingularityohhh mvo!  Man of the hour.  bug 79299515:46
ubot4Launchpad bug 792995 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update manager will not install updates (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79299515:46
RedSingularitymvo: I talked with you briefly about this problem yesterday.15:47
mvohey RedSingularity! triager of the day! :)15:47
mvoRedSingularity: sorry, I probably missed that bug yesterday15:48
RedSingularitymvo: no you mentioned to look at xsessions which was clean.15:48
mvoaha, cool, memory like a goldfish, I remember now15:48
RedSingularitymvo: When the user started gnome the problem cleared up.  He thinks it may be a daemon not starting with E17....15:49
mvoRedSingularity: I try it now15:49
RedSingularitymvo: are we even obligated to fix that?  Thats why I was asking if we officially support it.15:52
mvoRedSingularity: well, we don't need to, but if its easy to fix …15:55
RedSingularitymvo: true....easy is always good15:55
mvoRedSingularity: hm, can't reproduce in e1715:57
RedSingularitymvo: guess its just his local setup.  Want to close it as unsupported then?15:58
mvoyeah, we can close it as unreproducable15:59
RedSingularitymvo: Alright. I will take care of that if u want.16:00
mvoplease do16:00
RedSingularitythanks for having a look ;)16:00
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bil21alany body notice this issue16:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 865612 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity slow at shutting down (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:54
bil21alcan i add the lightdm in it??16:54
pulbhi, I've found a bug in oneiric which is pretty critical for me but fixing should take minutes (I attached a fix). could someone responsible please have a look and predict if a fix will make it into oneiric? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf2/+bug/86461517:47
ubot4Launchpad bug 864615 in gconf2 (Ubuntu) "Thumbnailers are missing in gconf (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]17:47
pulbhere is a snipped to reproducte the issue:17:47
pulb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/702869/17:47
hggdhpulb: best place to ask is at #ubuntu-desktop; personally, I think it seems simple, but I do not deal with the desktop17:51
pulblol, i posted this in #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-bugs already and all said i'm wrong there ;-)17:52
bdmurraymvo: bug 863792 - I'd be collecting the right stuff correct?17:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 863792 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "bug reports would benefit from an apport package hook (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86379217:53
pedro_that is using gsettings now..17:57
pedro_pulb,  hggdh ^17:57
pedro_the thumbnailers are available at /usr/share/thumbnailers/17:58
pedro_and you can check the key with:17:58
hggdhnothing like pedro_ on the rescue ;-)17:58
pedro_gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.thumbnailers17:58
pedro_same for cache on :17:59
pedro_gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.thumbnail-cache17:59
pedro_its probably available trough dconf-editor as well17:59
pulbpedro_: the api affected is this: http://developer.gnome.org/gnome-desktop/stable/GnomeDesktopThumbnailFactory.html18:03
pulbi guess there is no replacement for gtk2 apps yet18:03
pedro_just saw the discussion on the desktop channel18:04
jibelbdmurray, hey, what's your opinion on bug 850005 ? it's another case where the retracer consolidates unrelated issues.21:19
ubot4Launchpad bug 850005 in jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "jockey-backend crashed with SystemError: E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) (affects: 48) (dups: 48) (heat: 394)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85000521:19
bdmurrayjibel: whatever package manager is being used for the backend should return a more verbose error than (2)21:23
bdmurrayjibel: and probably the apport retracer should grow a ignore this Traceback feature21:24
jibelbdmurray, I think jockey returns that code, jockey.log contains the full error message.21:26
jibelbdmurray, so the bug here would be in jockey to return a more useful trace right ?21:27
jibelso apport wouldn't be confused21:27
bdmurrayWell I suspect jockey is using aptdaemon or apt or something to install the package so its probably an underlying package21:27
bdmurraybut yes21:27
bdmurrayand then I think an apport bug should be opened to specifically block automatic consolidation of some crashes21:28
jibelack, thanks21:30
bdmurrayjibel: there was another bug like this too right?  I need to make a list to sort out for Precise21:30
jibelbdmurray, yes, there was others. bug 808202 for example. It also happens with stack traces in some cases21:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 808202 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport wrongly duplicates package installation failure reports. (affects: 14) (dups: 15) (heat: 132)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80820221:35
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