[15:44] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: does ubuntu QA officially support the E17 window manager?
[15:44] <jpds> People use E17?
[15:44] <jhobbs> lol
[15:44] <pedro_> is that still alive?
[15:44] <roadmr> E17, now that's a blast from the past
[15:44] <RedSingularity> pedro_: I was surprised as well :/
[15:44] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: What do you mean by officially support?
[15:44] <pedro_> wow that reminds me of window maker and all the other windows managers from the 90's
[15:45] <jpds> RedSingularity: As a singular point, surely you believe in Unity?
[15:45] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: a user is having a problem with update-manager when using that window manager
[15:45] <RedSingularity> jpds: lol
[15:46] <RedSingularity> jpds: still a gnome user here :)  Not ready to move on.
[15:46] <mvo> RedSingularity: what kind of problem exactly?
[15:46] <mvo> I think I will take the opportunity to try e17 again after ~10y or so ;)
[15:46] <RedSingularity> ohhh mvo!  Man of the hour.  bug 792995
[15:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 792995 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update manager will not install updates (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792995
[15:47] <RedSingularity> mvo: I talked with you briefly about this problem yesterday.
[15:47] <mvo> hey RedSingularity! triager of the day! :)
[15:47] <RedSingularity> lol
[15:48] <mvo> RedSingularity: sorry, I probably missed that bug yesterday
[15:48] <RedSingularity> mvo: no you mentioned to look at xsessions which was clean.
[15:48] <mvo> aha, cool, memory like a goldfish, I remember now
[15:49] <RedSingularity> mvo: When the user started gnome the problem cleared up.  He thinks it may be a daemon not starting with E17....
[15:49] <mvo> RedSingularity: I try it now
[15:52] <RedSingularity> mvo: are we even obligated to fix that?  Thats why I was asking if we officially support it.
[15:55] <mvo> RedSingularity: well, we don't need to, but if its easy to fix …
[15:55] <RedSingularity> mvo: true....easy is always good
[15:57] <mvo> RedSingularity: hm, can't reproduce in e17
[15:58] <RedSingularity> mvo: guess its just his local setup.  Want to close it as unsupported then?
[15:59] <mvo> yeah, we can close it as unreproducable
[16:00] <RedSingularity> mvo: Alright. I will take care of that if u want.
[16:00] <mvo> please do
[16:00] <mvo> thanks!
[16:00] <RedSingularity> thanks for having a look ;)
[16:54] <bil21al> help
[16:54] <bil21al> any body notice this issue
[16:54] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/865612
[16:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865612 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity slow at shutting down (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:54] <bil21al> can i add the lightdm in it??
[17:47] <pulb> hi, I've found a bug in oneiric which is pretty critical for me but fixing should take minutes (I attached a fix). could someone responsible please have a look and predict if a fix will make it into oneiric? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf2/+bug/864615
[17:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864615 in gconf2 (Ubuntu) "Thumbnailers are missing in gconf (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:47] <pulb> here is a snipped to reproducte the issue:
[17:47] <pulb> : http://paste.ubuntu.com/702869/
[17:51] <hggdh> pulb: best place to ask is at #ubuntu-desktop; personally, I think it seems simple, but I do not deal with the desktop
[17:52] <pulb> lol, i posted this in #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-bugs already and all said i'm wrong there ;-)
[17:53] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 863792 - I'd be collecting the right stuff correct?
[17:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863792 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "bug reports would benefit from an apport package hook (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863792
[17:57] <pedro_> that is using gsettings now..
[17:57] <pedro_> pulb,  hggdh ^
[17:58] <pedro_> the thumbnailers are available at /usr/share/thumbnailers/
[17:58] <hggdh> hah!
[17:58] <pedro_> and you can check the key with:
[17:58] <hggdh> nothing like pedro_ on the rescue ;-)
[17:58] <pedro_> gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.thumbnailers
[17:59] <pedro_> same for cache on :
[17:59] <pedro_> gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.thumbnail-cache
[17:59] <pedro_> its probably available trough dconf-editor as well
[17:59] <hggdh> checking
[18:03] <pulb> pedro_: the api affected is this: http://developer.gnome.org/gnome-desktop/stable/GnomeDesktopThumbnailFactory.html
[18:03] <pulb> i guess there is no replacement for gtk2 apps yet
[18:04] <pedro_> just saw the discussion on the desktop channel
[21:19] <jibel> bdmurray, hey, what's your opinion on bug 850005 ? it's another case where the retracer consolidates unrelated issues.
[21:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850005 in jockey (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "jockey-backend crashed with SystemError: E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) (affects: 48) (dups: 48) (heat: 394)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850005
[21:23] <bdmurray> jibel: whatever package manager is being used for the backend should return a more verbose error than (2)
[21:24] <bdmurray> jibel: and probably the apport retracer should grow a ignore this Traceback feature
[21:26] <jibel> bdmurray, I think jockey returns that code, jockey.log contains the full error message.
[21:27] <jibel> bdmurray, so the bug here would be in jockey to return a more useful trace right ?
[21:27] <jibel> so apport wouldn't be confused
[21:27] <bdmurray> Well I suspect jockey is using aptdaemon or apt or something to install the package so its probably an underlying package
[21:27] <bdmurray> but yes
[21:28] <bdmurray> and then I think an apport bug should be opened to specifically block automatic consolidation of some crashes
[21:30] <jibel> ack, thanks
[21:30] <bdmurray> jibel: there was another bug like this too right?  I need to make a list to sort out for Precise
[21:35] <jibel> bdmurray, yes, there was others. bug 808202 for example. It also happens with stack traces in some cases
[21:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808202 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport wrongly duplicates package installation failure reports. (affects: 14) (dups: 15) (heat: 132)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808202