[01:01] AlanBell: you need to set a commit message on https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526 please [01:48] jono: any chance you can approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-summit and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ltp please [02:21] jcastro: I believe that the intro and keynote is listed in the wrong room [02:21] yeah I don't know why it's doing that [02:22] Oh no. [02:23] Mark Pilgrim disappeared from the internet. [02:23] No more diveintopython, diveintohtml5, etc. [02:26] jcastro: fixed [02:26] what was it? [02:26] assigned to the wrong room [02:27] yeah but when I created the event there was no option for even assigning a room [02:27] usually just making it plenary is good enough [02:27] dunno [02:27] we need to clean up the room stuff more betterer [02:28] jcastro: added Wednesday to http://uds.ubuntu.com/social-events/ [02:28] ooh nice [02:28] we might have a movie night too! [02:28] i saw [02:29] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2011-October/000844.html [02:29] man, the builder has been stuck on 6 minutes for like 15 minutes [02:29] I want to try this so bad [02:29] lol [02:29] dammiy [02:29] I feel bad missing this UDS now. [02:30] :-P [02:30] "If I am not there they will assign me all the work items." [02:30] yup [02:30] I will be there remotely anyway. [06:00] cjohnston: what do I put in a merge proposal commit message? Is it just a duplication of the description or is there some other kind of comment that should go there? [06:00] AlanBell: commit message is what goes into bzr commit when merged [06:00] description can be lengthier [06:01] commit is smaller and concise [06:01] https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526 so there are commit messages on the two commits that are in it [06:02] do I repeat those? [06:02] no, what would be the commit message for the entire MP? [06:03] "yay, fixed it! wooot!" [06:03] Something like "add the team name link in the subnav" [06:03] lol, that is fun but hard to decipher while looking at trunk's histry [06:03] yeah [06:03] so there are three things in this merge really [06:05] * AlanBell adds a commit message [06:56] good morning [07:14] aloha [07:17] hi dpm, hi czajkowski [07:18] Morning all! [07:23] hey dholbach, czajkowski and popey, good morning! [07:33] dholbach: Not a serious accident I hope? [07:35] nigelb, no, my brother was driving and he quickly hit the brakes when 5-6 cars in front of us braked hard - the guy behind us "touched us" in the back - the plastic of the rental car was dented and broken - the highway was quite busy so it could have been a lot lot worse [07:35] dholbach: phew. Glad everything's okay :) [07:36] Was it the autobahn? (Does it have speed limits now?) [07:41] morning popey [07:41] Hey jono! [07:41] hey nigelb :-) [07:42] Holidays are WIN [07:44] exactly why one should keep distance to front, especially on high traffic (: [07:46] nigelb, yes, the Autobahn - it does have speed limits where it makes sense to drive slower (areas with just 2 lines, where construction is going on, etc.) - but lots of parts don't have limits [07:46] dholbach: heh, must be a dream to drive on :) [07:48] although I enjoy driving every now and then and enjoy driving faster, it's not necessarily a good thing - you're much more prone to accidents and for the environment it's also not a good thing either [07:51] :) [07:51] popey: *hug* [07:51] popey: I like what you brought up at the CC meeting [07:53] ta [07:54] someone mentioned to me that increasing speed by 10-20MPH (say from 70 to 80) can increase fuel usage by ~30% [07:55] Morning folks [07:55] Morning kim0 [07:55] nigelb: hey man [07:57] morning kim0 [07:57] popey: I think there's a bit of burn out involved as well. [07:57] dpm: hey :) [07:58] popey: Initially, I was very interested in applying for the Asia Board vacancy. Then, I realized I didn't have enough time. [08:13] I'm liking how TB is now evenly split. [08:14] 3 people working for Canonical and 3 people not working for Canonical. [08:16] meeting logs available? [08:17] Tm_T: CC meeting? I can link you. [08:17] thanks [08:18] Tm_T: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/04/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:05 [08:18] ah, I was blind then, thanks [08:19] heh [08:26] it was an interesting read [08:26] sorry I missed it, stupid connection last night was less than helpful [08:27] czajkowski: I only noticed it because you thanked alan in meeting. [08:27] Then I scrolled up and read the whole thing :) [08:32] nigelb, can you get me out of the loco.u.c WEBADMIN variable with your next RT ticket? [08:33] nigelb, the next cycle it will be impossible for me to make time for it [08:33] dholbach: will do :) [08:33] dholbach: *hugs* [08:34] sorry about that, but the pace at which my todo list and list of plans for P is growing, I would outright lie to you if I stayed WEBADMIN :) [08:34] heh [08:34] We know how that goes :) [08:34] * dholbach hugs nigelb back [08:35] kim0, nearly four thousand new uniques yesterday [08:35] jono: yes .. it's getting addictive ;) [08:35] kim0, I know you can do it :-) [08:35] hehe [08:37] * kim0 grabs morning coffee [08:41] my comment on the struggle on finding the leaders: could it be that more and more it's not leading but "paperwork" due to the grown community and grown hierarchy? [08:43] I know I've been involved on Ubuntu since 2004 or 2005, and I've seen more and more of boards and councils [08:43] this is not bad btw, just part of the growth I think [08:45] we dont have that many councils / boards really [08:45] I know [08:46] given the number of people we have in the community [08:46] 3 RMB, DMB, TB, CC, IRCC, FC, & LC [08:46] yes, but it is a change that do affect on how leaders or possible leaders do see their position [08:48] this is not criticism, just a thought what came to my mind while reading the meeting logs [08:51] IRC channel management is an example that I'm familiar with [08:51] back in the day, I was just asked if I wanted to be an op in a channel [08:51] nowadays? you apply, there's a council that makes the decision and I might not even know why I was picked or was not picked at all [08:52] true the irc bit always confuses me tbh. but that's me [08:53] I do think this is necessary change, but I also see how this can be seen a bit scary or seen too much of a hassle for some [08:54] Tm_T: I dont think scary is the rght term, possibly the unknown [08:54] but it is kinda necessary but not hassle if you enjoy it [08:54] czajkowski: indeed [08:54] me I love dealing with locoteams so I don't find it hassle it's really enjoyable to see how different teams operate [08:54] I may not agree with some of their decisions [08:54] but they do an interesting job of promoting Ubuntu [08:55] what I'm trying to say is, how this whole community works has changed during the years, and it has an impact on enthusiasm to lead [08:55] czajkowski: indeed [08:56] true [08:56] the community has grown [08:56] and not sure things are laid out as well as they could be in some areas [08:56] look at mozilla as a really good example [08:56] they have multiple "community" managers over different areas [08:56] also, I think we should find a way to provide a "growing path" for people from their locos to our bigger community [08:56] so one over mozilla reps like our Ubuntu members and have a team under that [08:57] I do feel the community team does a fantastic job and fair fecks to them with their work load, but it just seems always dev focused and not about the folks who don't dev any more [08:59] to be honest, I don't even know how I can get leaders within our loco [08:59] yeah ouir loco doesn't want a leader [09:00] which I think is good and bad [09:00] bad in some ways as it's a bit too lax which leads to frustartion amongst others who want more drive [09:00] yet it's worked for 4 years or so, but sometimes people get comfortable and don't want to change as well [09:03] in my loco, we used to have "lead figures" but some left, some are busy with other things more nowadays, and we didn't succeed (and failed to see the need) on growing new leaders [09:06] from a personal perspective: I feel bad I don't have more time nor skill for leading the loco [09:09] that's actually a bad situation when leaders feel that ^ [09:10] Tm_T: so I've a guy in my loco who's non dev a [09:10] and really wants to add more structure and plan things more [09:11] but not everyone in the loco wants more structure [09:11] so he feels he hinders [09:11] so we point out no he's good he keeps us on track [09:11] you have to find a happy medium, no 2 locos are the same [09:11] indeed [09:11] neither can we say each leader should be doing x y and z [09:11] we can suggest by all means [09:11] and we do encourage some things to happen [09:12] thats why I love team reports [09:12] yup, every (sub)group (like loco) needs to find their own way of doing things [09:12] gives you an insight on how teams are doing each month [09:14] Structure is important, but we need to make sure we dont lose spontaneity and fluidity. [09:16] jussi: that [09:16] we also need to be able to communicate about the structure AND fluidity (: [09:17] meh, my thoughts are all big mess now [09:21] quick question [09:21] I have weekly team calls on G+ [09:21] do you think people would find it useful if they could watch? [09:21] able to tune in but not speak [09:21] team calls with whom? [09:22] between my team [09:22] to open them up a little bit [09:22] ok, so within the team rather than between you and other teams [09:22] yeah, within my own team [09:22] jorge, daniel, dpm, kim0, and eric [09:23] I'm not sure how useful that would be [09:23] hence why I figured I would ask :-) [09:23] but that is partly because I honestly have no clue what you guys talk about [09:23] chicken/egg [09:23] they would like this: [09:23] is it even practical? [09:23] * I ask everyone to do a roundtable to discuss what they have been working on over the last week [09:23] I mean don't you guys talk about confidential canonical stuff? [09:24] * I then usually have some administrative team topics and then some strategic topics [09:24] * then it is open to the team to raise topics [09:24] sometimes, but not often [09:24] but we could also reserve a the last 15mins or so for any confidential bits [09:24] would your team be less likely to discuss stuff if it were broadcast openly? [09:24] I doubt it [09:25] this might be something we could try once and see if it works [09:25] I also need to run it past the team [09:25] yeah [09:25] not sure how you'd technically do it [09:25] jono: you're up well past your bedtime [09:25] hangouts can only have 10 people [09:25] I would just open it to all on G+ [09:25] and mute folks [09:25] 10:25 < sabdfl> P is for... [09:25] 10:25 < sabdfl> tell you later ;-) [09:25] what happened the whole mumble server? [09:25] it kinda died a death [09:25] AlanBell, aha, he is getting close [09:25] AlanBell: lol [09:25] I know what P is [09:25] I think it is cool [09:25] czajkowski, yeah, on a plane [09:26] jono: dammit. DO NOT DO THAT! [09:26] nigelb, LOL! [09:26] Now I erally want to know [09:26] czajkowski, public mumble server? [09:26] popey, ahhh, nevermind [09:26] I did ask Google for the special broadcast hangout, but they haven;t replied yet [09:27] its technically difficult but not impossible [09:27] jono: aye that was "mumbled " about a while back [09:27] czajkowski, yeah, not sure where that went [09:27] I personally find Mumble doesn't work well for me [09:27] I always get dropouts [09:28] I know there were some technical challenges for delivering it to the community [09:28] jono: right but G+ arrived and everyone switched to that but limited to 10 to a hang out [09:28] I guess it's hard to please everyone [09:28] czajkowski, yeah, G+ is awesome for small discussions, but it struggles to scale up [09:29] chatroulette! [09:29] maybe not [09:29] lol [09:42] can you not use some live screencast sw to screencast jono's g+ ? [09:43] say on ustream? [09:43] potentially [09:43] mind, I have no idea what sw does that apart from skype [09:57] morning.... [09:59] mornin akgraner :) [10:01] thanks nigelb.../me is working on finding my coffee cup so I can put a "good" in front of morning...right now it's like *blink* *blink* *yawn* :-) [10:01] akgraner: hehe, I know that feeling :) [10:06] ok I think I am going to try and get some sleep [10:06] night all [10:06] jono, night... [10:07] night jono :) [10:07] night! [11:46] dholbach, when is the CC election? [11:46] soon [11:47] dholbach is prepping it today I believe [11:47] soon [11:54] ok, thanks [11:54] bonjour [11:55] akgraner: +1000000 for coffee [11:55] mhall119, :-) [11:56] popey, I meant to tell you this yesterday - sorry for the delay - Thank you for having the courage to bring up the community brokenness topic yesterday [11:57] and thank you to those that chimed in...I think it was and will be one of the most important discussions to date. [11:58] I should have said "important public discussions" - thanks for putting it out there. [12:11] dpm, kim0: is Jono around today or travelling already? (just asking because of the team call and because I'll have to go to the vet today) [12:12] I think he mentioned he won't make it [12:12] dholbach, he said he'd miss the call, if I understood it correctly [12:12] in that Boston email [12:12] yep [12:12] alrightie [12:12] so you can safely go to the vet :) [12:18] kim0, looking at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/ca/+translate?show=untranslated - do you know what enlist means in "Enlist with Ubuntu Orchestra Server"? [12:18] mm [12:18] nigelb: is this for real? http://www.firstpost.com/business/indias-35-tablet-computer-will-prices-dive-further-98550.html [12:19] enlist - like join? [12:19] mhall119: yes [12:20] it's been mooted for some while, originally it was supposed to be a laptop [12:20] ah [12:20] * mhall119 wouldn't mind a $35 Android laptop either [12:20] mhall119: apparently so. [12:20] mhall119: I would have preferred OLPC [12:21] This is a whole slew of support troubles waiting to happen. [12:21] akgraner, it might be, but I don't know if a system can join an Orchestra Server - kim0, would that make sense? [12:21] OLPC XO is pretty slow, 400MHz processor [12:21] dpm: momento .. otp [12:21] mhall119: But a $35 tablet can't be superfast either. [12:21] dpm or is Enlist a new server something or another - like ensemble I mean juju [12:21] :-P [12:22] kim0, no rush [12:22] akgraner, I'm quite lost when it comes to cloud, regardless of the names :) [12:23] dpm: lol. [12:23] dpm, that's why we have kim0 :-) (thank goodness - I am lost on that front too) [12:23] * kim0 hugs akgraner [12:24] dpm: so Orchestra has a listing of servers [12:24] an internal binding between their dns names, and their mac addresses [12:24] probably "enlist" here .. means add to that internal list [12:24] but I'm not exactly sure [12:27] I'm officially regretting skipping this UDS with the testing BoF mail thread. [12:27] kim0, thanks, that makes it clearer [12:30] nigelb: there are about 5 things happening that make me regret missing this UDS. Unfortunately I don't have the money for the hotel (flights are cheap) [12:31] * AlanBell would like to go to the next UDS [12:31] Pendulum: :( [12:33] cool [12:34] AlanBell: wanna share a room? :D [12:35] AlanBell: Ohh. I still am yet to meet you and popey. Next UDS hopefully :) [12:35] :D [13:20] * czajkowski wishes she was going to UDS more than ever today :( [13:35] woo I'm on a plane! [13:35] in flight? [13:36] jcastro: where are you invading ? [13:37] czajkowski: I think he's coming near me [13:37] I am going to boston [13:37] jcastro: that is relatively near me :P [13:38] (and is where I thought you were going) [13:38] looks like the hotel is next to the airport [13:38] shucks [13:38] also, jcastro expect czajkowski to ask you to get her salt water taffy [13:38] czajkowski: I was at this big faire thing a couple weeks ago and there was salt water taffy and my parents actually asked if I wanted to get some for you [13:39] I only except to do lobster related things [13:39] it's turning into a running thing in our family [13:39] I want a huge lobster. [13:39] and some clam chowdah [13:39] jcastro: *cough*LegalSeafood*cough* [13:39] (the best one is in the city near the NE Aquarium, but there's a good one at the airport as well) [13:39] I have a Legal right next to my place in FL, I love it. [13:40] jcastro: how long are you in Boston for? [13:40] or a McLobster Sandwich [13:40] 3 days and out I'm afraid [13:40] * jcastro is doing a part of Jane's keynote [13:44] Pendulum: aswwwwww [13:57] kim0: so I tried LXC yesterday, but no luck [13:57] have you tried it? [13:58] jcastro: not yet .. planning to though [14:27] Anyone got creative/cool ideas for cloud.u.c on launch day [14:28] puff of smoke [14:28] :) [14:28] smoke signals [14:28] int the sky [14:28] prety cloudd sign looking like the circle of friends [14:29] yeah we really need a graphics ninja [14:29] kim0: poke someone in canonical design team [14:29] they manage to whip things up fast [14:30] yeah .. if u guys get any ideas, lemme know [14:31] jcastro: any idea if Clint recorded the deployment he was doing yesterday [14:31] kim0: just ask the folks in ayatan who to ask ian farrel was on a plane yesterday [14:32] I mean apart from a graphic .. perhaps we can do something even better :) [14:35] kim0: if you flash folks are gonna cry [14:36] lol [14:37] and throw things [14:42] :) [14:52] I meant use flash [14:52] not flash folks [14:52] good lord [15:04] czajkowski: and I meant that if flash is used, at least one person will likely throw things at their computer ;-) [15:05] hah [15:05] oh yes true true [15:09] * popey has had no reply from AlanBell about his room sharing [15:09] * popey takes that as a "no" :D [15:10] hmm 600 quid sun-> sat [15:10] or 400 sunday->sunday [15:10] skyscanner is evil [15:11] hey erward, jcastro [15:14] good morning [15:18] erward: morning o/ [15:18] erward, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags is up to date now [15:18] k [15:35] popey: room share sounds great :) [15:39] hum, can you sign the CoC in LP if you don't have a gpg key associated with your profile? [15:42] dont think so [15:42] don't you have to sign it wiht that [15:45] I just encountered 2 cases where it seems to be possible, which makes finding all email addresses of all ubuntu members even more painful :) [15:45] and I'm not done yet [15:45] dholbach: One could be a robot [15:45] dholbach: oh do not get me started on that [15:45] There's a robot Ubuntu member :) [15:45] (uploader) [15:45] err [15:45] annoying thing: team contacts and having their email address HIDDEN!!! [15:45] importer [15:45] not very helpful [15:45] nigelb, I removed that from the list already [15:46] dholbach: ah :) [15:46] there's more [15:46] dholbach: you sure they havent signed the coc and then removed the gpg key from their profile? [15:46] that might be possible === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:25] dholbach: cant you just use their launchpad ID @ ubuntu.com ? [16:29] popey, no, some people changed their LP ID afterwards, etc [16:29] but their email address changes too [16:29] i did that [16:32] ie: ~ben-collins vs bcollins@... [16:34] but that might be because of a Canonical accouint [16:34] account [16:37] LP is horrible for snagging email address - and if someone their email address is hidden for get getting it [16:38] you can only email 3 people per day to ask them for it [16:38] if you try 4 you're locked out for 24 hours [16:39] how many are you missing dholbach ? [16:42] hello Mario 'dholbach' Andretti ;) [16:43] duanedesign, hm? [16:43] popey, 73 - I'll do the rest tomorrow [16:44] popey, I'll probably ask the LP team if I can rely on lpid@ubuntu.com :) [16:53] see you all tomorrow! [16:53] * dholbach calls it a day [16:55] g'nite dholbach! [17:46] anyone having this bug http://i.imgur.com/l5qxJ.png ? === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [19:07] "Precise Pangolin" huh. [19:10] very hard to find a stuffed animal pangolin [19:10] what the heck is a pangolin? [19:11] kinda like an armadillo, but not [19:11] earlier this month one of my loco guys was like "maybe it'll be a pangolin!" and I said "noo, there are no stuffed animal pangolins!" ;) [19:12] when you search for stuffed pangolin you get the wrong kind of stuffed animal :\ [19:18] there's a market there then :D [19:18] Quick! Design one! [19:22] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PANGOLIN-New-2009-UNIQUE-FREE-SHIP-w-25-SAFARI-/230537943351?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ad21d937#ht_2187wt_1165 [19:23] eww [19:23] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miao-Silver-ladys-fantasy-pangolin-shape-earrings-MI593PF-/260864750440?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbcc03368#ht_2961wt_1165 [19:32] yeah, might have to go with plastic one [19:33] you can get a phone case! http://www.etsy.com/listing/23300219/pongo-the-pangolin-case [19:33] hehe === IdleOne is now known as PreciseOne [19:43] "I can also vouch for their toughness; pangolin’s regularly survive encounters with lions." <--- little dig at Apple ;) [19:59] yeah, I wondered that too [19:59] maybe not so much a dig, as recognition [20:00] What's with the new trend of "OMG, ubuntu development codenames are up for a public vote!"? [20:00] aren't [20:01] Precise Pangolin - seriously [20:01] it's almost enough to make me miss the "OMG, nobody will ever take an operating system seriously when it's codenamed after an animal, that's why I'm sticking with OS X $feline" [20:01] I have to pronounce that.... [20:01] akgraner: "precise" is easier than "oneiric" [20:01] well that's true [20:02] we usually only used the adjective anyway [20:02] I stopped saying the codenames with oneiric - I'll just use 12.04 - like I use 11.10 when I am talking about it [20:02] it also allows us to make bad jokes: "What version of Ubuntu you running?", "Precisely". [20:03] mhall119, that's set up for a bad "who's on first" [20:03] like there's a "good" one === PreciseOne is now known as pangolin === pangolin is now known as PreciseOne === PreciseOne is now known as pangolin [20:53] jono: ping [20:53] hey czajkowski [20:54] jono: ready for our call ? [20:54] czajkowski, apologies I am not going to make this one [20:54] I am currently in Boston [20:54] I wasnt sure if you were still joining the calls, as we hadnt done the last few, so I didnt mail [20:54] apologies [20:55] jono: aye the last time I was online as well but nobody called, maybe it should be removed from the cal then as I've just come home for the call again [20:55] czajkowski, would still love you to join them, but I remember looking for you for the last few and didnt see you so I assume you were not around [20:57]