[01:01] <cjohnston> AlanBell: you need to set a commit message on https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526 please
[01:48] <cjohnston> jono: any chance you can approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-summit and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ltp please
[02:21] <cjohnston> jcastro: I believe that the intro and keynote is listed in the wrong room
[02:21] <jcastro> yeah I don't know why it's doing that
[02:22] <nigelb> Oh no.
[02:23] <nigelb> Mark Pilgrim disappeared from the internet.
[02:23] <nigelb> No more diveintopython, diveintohtml5, etc.
[02:26] <cjohnston> jcastro: fixed
[02:26] <jcastro> what was it?
[02:26] <cjohnston> assigned to the wrong room
[02:27] <jcastro> yeah but when I created the event there was no option for even assigning a room
[02:27] <jcastro> usually just making it plenary is good enough
[02:27] <cjohnston> dunno
[02:27] <cjohnston> we need to clean up the room stuff more betterer
[02:28] <cjohnston> jcastro: added Wednesday to http://uds.ubuntu.com/social-events/
[02:28] <jcastro> ooh nice
[02:28] <jcastro> we might have a movie night too!
[02:28] <cjohnston> i saw
[02:29] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2011-October/000844.html
[02:29] <jcastro> man, the builder has been stuck on 6 minutes for like 15 minutes
[02:29] <jcastro> I want to try this so bad
[02:29] <cjohnston> lol
[02:29] <nigelb> dammiy
[02:29] <nigelb> I feel bad missing this UDS now.
[02:30] <cjohnston> :-P
[02:30] <jcastro> "If I am not there they will assign me all the work items."
[02:30] <cjohnston> yup
[02:30] <nigelb> I will be there remotely anyway.
[06:00] <AlanBell> cjohnston: what do I put in a merge proposal commit message? Is it just a duplication of the description or is there some other kind of comment that should go there?
[06:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: commit message is what goes into bzr commit when merged
[06:00] <nigelb> description can be lengthier
[06:01] <nigelb> commit is smaller and concise
[06:01] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/loco-directory/backbutton/+merge/73526 so there are commit messages on the two commits that are in it
[06:02] <AlanBell> do I repeat those?
[06:02] <nigelb> no, what would be the commit message for the entire MP?
[06:03] <AlanBell> "yay, fixed it! wooot!"
[06:03] <nigelb> Something like "add the team name link in the subnav"
[06:03] <nigelb> lol, that is fun but hard to decipher while looking at trunk's histry
[06:03] <AlanBell> yeah
[06:03] <AlanBell> so there are three things in this merge really
[06:05]  * AlanBell adds a commit message
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:17] <dholbach> hi dpm, hi czajkowski
[07:18] <popey> Morning all!
[07:23] <dpm> hey dholbach, czajkowski and popey, good morning!
[07:33] <nigelb> dholbach: Not a serious accident I hope?
[07:35] <dholbach> nigelb, no, my brother was driving and he quickly hit the brakes when 5-6 cars in front of us braked hard - the guy behind us "touched us" in the back - the plastic of the rental car was dented and broken - the highway was quite busy so it could have been a lot lot worse
[07:35] <nigelb> dholbach: phew. Glad everything's okay :)
[07:36] <nigelb> Was it the autobahn? (Does it have speed limits now?)
[07:41] <jono> morning popey
[07:41] <nigelb> Hey jono!
[07:41] <jono> hey nigelb :-)
[07:42] <nigelb> Holidays are WIN
[07:44] <Tm_T> exactly why one should keep distance to front, especially on high traffic (:
[07:46] <dholbach> nigelb, yes, the Autobahn - it does have speed limits where it makes sense to drive slower (areas with just 2 lines, where construction is going on, etc.) - but lots of parts don't have limits
[07:46] <nigelb> dholbach: heh, must be a dream to drive on :)
[07:48] <dholbach> although I enjoy driving every now and then and enjoy driving faster, it's not necessarily a good thing - you're much more prone to accidents and for the environment it's also not a good thing either
[07:51] <nigelb> :)
[07:51] <nigelb> popey: *hug*
[07:51] <nigelb> popey: I like what you brought up at the CC meeting
[07:53] <popey> ta
[07:54] <popey> someone mentioned to me that increasing speed by 10-20MPH (say from 70 to 80) can increase fuel usage by ~30%
[07:55] <kim0> Morning folks
[07:55] <nigelb> Morning kim0
[07:55] <kim0> nigelb: hey man
[07:57] <dpm> morning kim0
[07:57] <nigelb> popey: I think there's a bit of burn out involved as well.
[07:57] <kim0> dpm: hey :)
[07:58] <nigelb> popey: Initially, I was very interested in applying for the Asia Board vacancy. Then, I realized I didn't have enough time.
[08:13] <nigelb> I'm liking how TB is now evenly split.
[08:14] <nigelb> 3 people working for Canonical and 3 people not working for Canonical.
[08:16] <Tm_T> meeting logs available?
[08:17] <nigelb> Tm_T: CC meeting? I can link you.
[08:17] <Tm_T> thanks
[08:18] <nigelb> Tm_T: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/04/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:05
[08:18] <Tm_T> ah, I was blind then, thanks
[08:19] <nigelb> heh
[08:26] <czajkowski> it was an interesting read
[08:26] <czajkowski> sorry I missed it, stupid connection last night was less than helpful
[08:27] <nigelb> czajkowski: I only noticed it because you thanked alan in meeting.
[08:27] <nigelb> Then I scrolled up and read the whole thing :)
[08:32] <dholbach> nigelb, can you get me out of the loco.u.c WEBADMIN variable with your next RT ticket?
[08:33] <dholbach> nigelb, the next cycle it will be impossible for me to make time for it
[08:33] <nigelb> dholbach: will do :)
[08:33] <nigelb> dholbach: *hugs*
[08:34] <dholbach> sorry about that, but the pace at which my todo list and list of plans for P is growing, I would outright lie to you if I stayed WEBADMIN :)
[08:34] <nigelb> heh
[08:34] <nigelb> We know how that goes :)
[08:34]  * dholbach hugs nigelb back
[08:35] <jono> kim0, nearly four thousand new uniques yesterday
[08:35] <kim0> jono: yes .. it's getting addictive ;)
[08:35] <jono> kim0, I know you can do it :-)
[08:35] <kim0> hehe
[08:37]  * kim0 grabs morning coffee
[08:41] <Tm_T> my comment on the struggle on finding the leaders: could it be that more and more it's not leading but "paperwork" due to the grown community and grown hierarchy?
[08:43] <Tm_T> I know I've been involved on Ubuntu since 2004 or 2005, and I've seen more and more of boards and councils
[08:43] <Tm_T> this is not bad btw, just part of the growth I think
[08:45] <popey> we dont have that many councils / boards really
[08:45] <Tm_T> I know
[08:46] <popey> given the number of people we have in the community
[08:46] <nigelb> 3 RMB, DMB, TB, CC, IRCC, FC, & LC
[08:46] <Tm_T> yes, but it is a change that do affect on how leaders or possible leaders do see their position
[08:48] <Tm_T> this is not criticism, just a thought what came to my mind while reading the meeting logs
[08:51] <Tm_T> IRC channel management is an example that I'm familiar with
[08:51] <Tm_T> back in the day, I was just asked if I wanted to be an op in a channel
[08:51] <Tm_T> nowadays? you apply, there's a council that makes the decision and I might not even know why I was picked or was not picked at all
[08:52] <czajkowski> true the irc bit always confuses me tbh. but that's me
[08:53] <Tm_T> I do think this is necessary change, but I also see how this can be seen a bit scary or seen too much of a hassle for some
[08:54] <czajkowski> Tm_T: I dont think scary is the rght term, possibly the unknown
[08:54] <czajkowski> but it is kinda necessary but not hassle if you enjoy it
[08:54] <Tm_T> czajkowski: indeed
[08:54] <czajkowski> me I love dealing with locoteams so I don't find it hassle it's really enjoyable to see how different teams operate
[08:54] <czajkowski> I may not agree with some of their decisions
[08:54] <czajkowski> but they do an interesting job of promoting Ubuntu
[08:55] <Tm_T> what I'm trying to say is, how this whole community works has changed during the years, and it has an impact on enthusiasm to lead
[08:55] <Tm_T> czajkowski: indeed
[08:56] <czajkowski> true
[08:56] <czajkowski> the community has grown
[08:56] <czajkowski> and not sure things are laid out as well as they could be in some areas
[08:56] <czajkowski> look at mozilla as a really good example
[08:56] <czajkowski> they have multiple "community" managers over different areas
[08:56] <Tm_T> also, I think we should find a way to provide a "growing path" for people from their locos to our bigger community
[08:56] <czajkowski> so one over mozilla reps like our Ubuntu members and have a team under that
[08:57] <czajkowski> I do feel the community team does a fantastic job and fair fecks to them with their work load, but it just seems always dev focused and not about the folks who don't dev any more
[08:59] <Tm_T> to be honest, I don't even know how I can get leaders within our loco
[08:59] <czajkowski> yeah ouir loco doesn't want a leader
[09:00] <czajkowski> which I think is good and bad
[09:00] <czajkowski> bad in some ways as it's a bit too lax which leads to frustartion amongst others who want more drive
[09:00] <czajkowski> yet it's worked for 4 years or so, but sometimes people get comfortable and don't want to change as well
[09:03] <Tm_T> in my loco, we used to have "lead figures" but some left, some are busy with other things more nowadays, and we didn't succeed (and failed to see the need) on growing new leaders
[09:06] <Tm_T> from a personal perspective: I feel bad I don't have more time nor skill for leading the loco
[09:09] <Tm_T> that's actually a bad situation when leaders feel that ^
[09:10] <czajkowski> Tm_T: so I've a guy in my loco who's non dev a
[09:10] <czajkowski> and really wants to add more structure and plan things more
[09:11] <czajkowski> but not everyone in the loco wants more structure
[09:11] <czajkowski> so he feels he hinders
[09:11] <czajkowski> so we point out no he's good he keeps us on track
[09:11] <czajkowski> you have to find a happy medium, no 2 locos are the same
[09:11] <Tm_T> indeed
[09:11] <czajkowski> neither can we say each leader should be doing x y and z
[09:11] <czajkowski> we can suggest by all means
[09:11] <czajkowski> and we do encourage some things to happen
[09:12] <czajkowski> thats why I love team reports
[09:12] <Tm_T> yup, every (sub)group (like loco) needs to find their own way of doing things
[09:12] <czajkowski> gives you an insight on how teams are doing each month
[09:14] <jussi> Structure is important, but we need to make sure we dont lose spontaneity and fluidity.
[09:16] <Tm_T> jussi: that
[09:16] <Tm_T> we also need to be able to communicate about the structure AND fluidity (:
[09:17] <Tm_T> meh, my thoughts are all big mess now
[09:21] <jono> quick question
[09:21] <jono> I have weekly team calls on G+
[09:21] <jono> do you think people would find it useful if they could watch?
[09:21] <jono> able to tune in but not speak
[09:21] <popey> team calls with whom?
[09:22] <jono> between my team
[09:22] <jono> to open them up a little bit
[09:22] <popey> ok, so within the team rather than between you and other teams
[09:22] <jono> yeah, within my own team
[09:22] <jono> jorge, daniel, dpm, kim0, and eric
[09:23] <popey> I'm not sure how useful that would be
[09:23] <jono> hence why I figured I would ask :-)
[09:23] <popey> but that is partly because I honestly have no clue what you guys talk about
[09:23] <popey> chicken/egg
[09:23] <jono> they would like this:
[09:23] <popey> is it even practical?
[09:23] <jono>  * I ask everyone to do a roundtable to discuss what they have been working on over the last week
[09:23] <popey> I mean don't you guys talk about confidential canonical stuff?
[09:24] <jono>  * I then usually have some administrative team topics and then some strategic topics
[09:24] <jono>  * then it is open to the team to raise topics
[09:24] <jono> sometimes, but not often
[09:24] <jono> but we could also reserve a the last 15mins or so for any confidential bits
[09:24] <popey> would your team be less likely to discuss stuff if it were broadcast openly?
[09:24] <jono> I doubt it
[09:25] <jono> this might be something we could try once and see if it works
[09:25] <jono> I also need to run it past the team
[09:25] <popey> yeah
[09:25] <popey> not sure how you'd technically do it
[09:25] <czajkowski> jono: you're up well past your bedtime
[09:25] <popey> hangouts can only have 10 people
[09:25] <jono> I would just open it to all on G+
[09:25] <jono> and mute folks
[09:25] <AlanBell> 10:25 < sabdfl> P is for...
[09:25] <AlanBell> 10:25 < sabdfl> tell you later ;-)
[09:25] <czajkowski> what happened the whole mumble server?
[09:25] <czajkowski> it kinda died a death
[09:25] <jono> AlanBell, aha, he is getting close
[09:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol
[09:25] <jono> I know what P is
[09:25] <jono> I think it is cool
[09:25] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, on a plane
[09:26] <nigelb> jono: dammit. DO NOT DO THAT!
[09:26] <jono> nigelb, LOL!
[09:26] <nigelb> Now I erally want to know
[09:26] <jono> czajkowski, public mumble server?
[09:26] <jono> popey, ahhh, nevermind
[09:26] <jono> I did ask Google for the special broadcast hangout, but they haven;t replied yet
[09:27] <popey> its technically difficult but not impossible
[09:27] <czajkowski> jono: aye that was "mumbled " about a while back
[09:27] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, not sure where that went
[09:27] <jono> I personally find Mumble doesn't work well for me
[09:27] <jono> I always get dropouts
[09:28] <jono> I know there were some technical challenges for delivering it to the community
[09:28] <czajkowski> jono: right but G+ arrived and everyone switched to that but limited to 10 to a hang out
[09:28] <czajkowski> I guess it's hard to please everyone
[09:28] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, G+ is awesome for small discussions, but it struggles to scale up
[09:29] <popey> chatroulette!
[09:29] <popey> maybe not
[09:29] <jono> lol
[09:42] <jussi> can you not use some live screencast sw to screencast jono's g+ ?
[09:43] <jussi> say on ustream?
[09:43] <popey> potentially
[09:43] <jussi> mind, I have no idea what sw does that apart from skype
[09:57] <akgraner> morning....
[09:59] <nigelb> mornin akgraner :)
[10:01] <akgraner> thanks nigelb.../me is working on finding my coffee cup so I can put a "good" in front of morning...right now it's like *blink*  *blink* *yawn* :-)
[10:01] <nigelb> akgraner: hehe, I know that feeling :)
[10:06] <jono> ok I think I am going to try and get some sleep
[10:06] <jono> night all
[10:06] <akgraner> jono, night...
[10:07] <nigelb> night jono :)
[10:07] <jono> night!
[11:46] <dpm> dholbach, when is the CC election?
[11:46] <popey> soon
[11:47] <popey> dholbach is prepping it today I believe
[11:47] <dholbach> soon
[11:54] <dpm> ok, thanks
[11:54] <mhall119> bonjour
[11:55] <mhall119> akgraner: +1000000 for coffee
[11:55] <akgraner> mhall119, :-)
[11:56] <akgraner> popey, I meant to tell you this yesterday - sorry for the delay - Thank you for having the courage to bring up the community brokenness topic yesterday
[11:57] <akgraner> and thank you to those that chimed in...I think it was and will be one of the most important discussions to date.
[11:58] <akgraner> I should have said "important public discussions" - thanks for putting it out there.
[12:11] <dholbach> dpm, kim0: is Jono around today or travelling already? (just asking because of the team call and because I'll have to go to the vet today)
[12:12] <kim0> I think he mentioned he won't make it
[12:12] <dpm> dholbach, he said he'd miss the call, if I understood it correctly
[12:12] <kim0> in that Boston email
[12:12] <kim0> yep
[12:12] <dholbach> alrightie
[12:12] <dpm> so you can safely go to the vet :)
[12:18] <dpm> kim0, looking at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/ca/+translate?show=untranslated - do you know what enlist means in "Enlist with Ubuntu Orchestra Server"?
[12:18] <kim0> mm
[12:18] <mhall119> nigelb: is this for real? http://www.firstpost.com/business/indias-35-tablet-computer-will-prices-dive-further-98550.html
[12:19] <akgraner> enlist - like join?
[12:19] <popey> mhall119: yes
[12:20] <popey> it's been mooted for some while, originally it was supposed to be a laptop
[12:20] <mhall119> ah
[12:20]  * mhall119 wouldn't mind a $35 Android laptop either
[12:20] <nigelb> mhall119: apparently so.
[12:20] <nigelb> mhall119: I would have preferred OLPC
[12:21] <nigelb> This is a whole slew of support troubles waiting to happen.
[12:21] <dpm> akgraner, it might be, but I don't know if a system can join an Orchestra Server - kim0, would that make sense?
[12:21] <mhall119> OLPC XO is pretty slow, 400MHz processor
[12:21] <kim0> dpm: momento .. otp
[12:21] <nigelb> mhall119: But a $35 tablet can't be superfast either.
[12:21] <akgraner> dpm or is Enlist a new server something or another - like ensemble I mean juju
[12:21] <akgraner> :-P
[12:22] <dpm> kim0, no rush
[12:22] <dpm> akgraner, I'm quite lost when it comes to cloud, regardless of the names :)
[12:23] <nigelb> dpm: lol.
[12:23] <akgraner> dpm, that's why we have kim0 :-) (thank goodness - I am lost on that front too)
[12:23]  * kim0 hugs akgraner 
[12:24] <kim0> dpm: so Orchestra has a listing of servers
[12:24] <kim0> an internal binding between their dns names, and their mac addresses
[12:24] <kim0> probably "enlist" here .. means add to that internal list
[12:24] <kim0> but I'm not exactly sure
[12:27] <nigelb> I'm officially regretting skipping this UDS with the testing BoF mail thread.
[12:27] <dpm> kim0, thanks, that makes it clearer
[12:30] <Pendulum> nigelb: there are about 5 things happening that make me regret missing this UDS. Unfortunately I don't have the money for the hotel (flights are cheap)
[12:31]  * AlanBell would like to go to the next UDS
[12:31] <nigelb> Pendulum: :(
[12:33] <kim0> cool
[12:34] <popey> AlanBell: wanna share a room? :D
[12:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: Ohh. I still am yet to meet you and popey. Next UDS hopefully :)
[12:35] <popey> :D
[13:20]  * czajkowski wishes she was going to UDS more than ever today :( 
[13:35] <jcastro> woo I'm on a plane!
[13:35] <AlanBell> in flight?
[13:36] <czajkowski> jcastro: where are you invading ?
[13:37] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I think he's coming near me
[13:37] <jcastro> I am going to boston
[13:37] <Pendulum> jcastro: that is relatively near me :P
[13:38] <Pendulum> (and is where I thought you were going)
[13:38] <jcastro> looks like the hotel is next to the airport
[13:38] <jcastro> shucks
[13:38] <Pendulum> also, jcastro expect czajkowski to ask you to get her salt water taffy
[13:38] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I was at this big faire thing a couple weeks ago and there was salt water taffy and my parents actually asked if I wanted to get some for you
[13:39] <jcastro> I only except to do lobster related things
[13:39] <Pendulum> it's turning into a running thing in our family
[13:39] <jcastro> I want a huge lobster.
[13:39] <jcastro> and some clam chowdah
[13:39] <Pendulum> jcastro: *cough*LegalSeafood*cough*
[13:39] <Pendulum> (the best one is in the city near the NE Aquarium, but there's a good one at the airport as well)
[13:39] <jcastro> I have a Legal right next to my place in FL, I love it.
[13:40] <Pendulum> jcastro: how long are you in Boston for?
[13:40] <AlanBell> or a McLobster Sandwich
[13:40] <jcastro> 3 days and out I'm afraid
[13:40]  * jcastro is doing a part of Jane's keynote
[13:44] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aswwwwww
[13:57] <jcastro> kim0: so I tried LXC yesterday, but no luck
[13:57] <jcastro> have you tried it?
[13:58] <kim0> jcastro: not yet .. planning to though
[14:27] <kim0> Anyone got creative/cool ideas for cloud.u.c on launch day
[14:28] <czajkowski> puff of smoke
[14:28] <kim0> :)
[14:28] <czajkowski> smoke signals
[14:28] <czajkowski> int the sky
[14:28] <czajkowski> prety cloudd sign looking like the circle of friends
[14:29] <kim0> yeah we really need a graphics ninja
[14:29] <czajkowski> kim0: poke someone in canonical design team
[14:29] <czajkowski> they manage to whip things up fast
[14:30] <kim0> yeah .. if u guys get any ideas, lemme know
[14:31] <kim0> jcastro: any idea if Clint recorded the deployment he was doing yesterday
[14:31] <czajkowski> kim0: just ask the folks in ayatan who to ask ian farrel was on a plane yesterday
[14:32] <kim0> I mean apart from a graphic .. perhaps we can do something even better :)
[14:35] <czajkowski> kim0: if you flash folks are gonna cry
[14:36] <AlanBell> lol
[14:37] <Pendulum> and throw things
[14:42] <kim0> :)
[14:52] <czajkowski> I meant use flash
[14:52] <czajkowski> not flash folks
[14:52] <czajkowski> good lord
[15:04] <Pendulum> czajkowski: and I meant that if flash is used, at least one person will likely throw things at their computer ;-)
[15:05] <Pici> hah
[15:05] <czajkowski> oh yes true true
[15:09]  * popey has had no reply from AlanBell about his room sharing
[15:09]  * popey takes that as a "no" :D
[15:10] <czajkowski> hmm  600 quid sun-> sat
[15:10] <czajkowski> or 400 sunday->sunday
[15:10] <czajkowski> skyscanner is evil
[15:11] <dholbach> hey erward, jcastro
[15:14] <erward> good morning
[15:18] <kim0> erward: morning o/
[15:18] <dholbach> erward, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags is up to date now
[15:18] <erward> k
[15:35] <AlanBell> popey: room share sounds great :)
[15:39] <dholbach> hum, can you sign the CoC in LP if you don't have a gpg key associated with your profile?
[15:42] <czajkowski> dont think so
[15:42] <czajkowski> don't you have to sign it wiht that
[15:45] <dholbach> I just encountered 2 cases where it seems to be possible, which makes finding all email addresses of all ubuntu members even more painful :)
[15:45] <dholbach> and I'm not done yet
[15:45] <nigelb> dholbach: One could be a robot
[15:45] <czajkowski> dholbach: oh do not get me started on that
[15:45] <nigelb> There's a robot Ubuntu member :)
[15:45] <nigelb> (uploader)
[15:45] <nigelb> err
[15:45] <czajkowski> annoying thing: team contacts and having their email address HIDDEN!!!
[15:45] <nigelb> importer
[15:45] <czajkowski> not very helpful
[15:45] <dholbach> nigelb, I removed that from the list already
[15:46] <nigelb> dholbach: ah :)
[15:46] <dholbach> there's more
[15:46] <jussi> dholbach: you sure they havent signed the coc and then removed the gpg key from their profile?
[15:46] <dholbach> that might be possible
[16:25] <popey> dholbach: cant you just use their launchpad ID @ ubuntu.com ?
[16:29] <dholbach> popey, no, some people changed their LP ID afterwards, etc
[16:29] <popey> but their email address changes too
[16:29] <popey> i did that
[16:32] <dholbach> ie: ~ben-collins vs bcollins@...
[16:34] <dholbach> but that might be because of a Canonical accouint
[16:34] <dholbach> account
[16:37] <akgraner> LP is horrible for snagging email address  - and if someone their email address is hidden for get getting it
[16:38] <akgraner> you can only email 3 people per day to ask them for it
[16:38] <akgraner> if you try 4 you're locked out for 24 hours
[16:39] <popey> how many are you missing dholbach ?
[16:42] <duanedesign> hello Mario 'dholbach' Andretti ;)
[16:43] <dholbach> duanedesign, hm?
[16:43] <dholbach> popey, 73 - I'll do the rest tomorrow
[16:44] <dholbach> popey, I'll probably ask the LP team if I can rely on lpid@ubuntu.com :)
[16:53] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[16:53]  * dholbach calls it a day
[16:55] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach!
[17:46] <daker> anyone having this bug http://i.imgur.com/l5qxJ.png ?
[19:07] <popey> "Precise Pangolin" huh.
[19:10] <pleia2> very hard to find a stuffed animal pangolin
[19:10] <jussi> what the heck is a pangolin?
[19:11] <pleia2> kinda like an armadillo, but not
[19:11] <pleia2> earlier this month one of my loco guys was like "maybe it'll be a pangolin!" and I said "noo, there are no stuffed animal pangolins!" ;)
[19:12] <pleia2> when you search for stuffed pangolin you get the wrong kind of stuffed animal :\
[19:18] <popey> there's a market there then :D
[19:18] <popey> Quick! Design one!
[19:22] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PANGOLIN-New-2009-UNIQUE-FREE-SHIP-w-25-SAFARI-/230537943351?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ad21d937#ht_2187wt_1165
[19:23] <popey> eww
[19:23] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miao-Silver-ladys-fantasy-pangolin-shape-earrings-MI593PF-/260864750440?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbcc03368#ht_2961wt_1165
[19:32] <pleia2> yeah, might have to go with plastic one
[19:33] <pleia2> you can get a phone case! http://www.etsy.com/listing/23300219/pongo-the-pangolin-case
[19:33] <pleia2> hehe
[19:43] <PreciseOne> "I can also vouch for their toughness; pangolin’s regularly survive encounters with lions." <--- little dig at Apple ;)
[19:59] <mhall119> yeah, I wondered that too
[19:59] <mhall119> maybe not so much a dig, as recognition
[20:00] <mhall119> What's with the new trend of "OMG, ubuntu development codenames are up for a public vote!"?
[20:00] <mhall119> aren't
[20:01] <akgraner> Precise Pangolin - seriously
[20:01] <mhall119> it's almost enough to make me miss the "OMG, nobody will ever take an operating system seriously when it's codenamed after an animal, that's why I'm sticking with OS X $feline"
[20:01] <akgraner> I have to pronounce that....
[20:01] <mhall119> akgraner: "precise" is easier than "oneiric"
[20:01] <akgraner> well that's true
[20:02] <mhall119> we usually only used the adjective anyway
[20:02] <akgraner> I stopped saying the codenames with oneiric -   I'll just use 12.04 - like I use 11.10 when I am talking about it
[20:02] <mhall119> it also allows us to make bad jokes: "What version of Ubuntu you running?", "Precisely".
[20:03] <akgraner> mhall119, that's  set up for a bad "who's on first"
[20:03] <mhall119> like there's a "good" one
[20:53] <czajkowski> jono: ping
[20:53] <jono> hey czajkowski
[20:54] <czajkowski> jono: ready for our call ?
[20:54] <jono> czajkowski, apologies I am not going to make this one
[20:54] <jono> I am currently in Boston
[20:54] <jono> I wasnt sure if you were still joining the calls, as we hadnt done the last few, so I didnt mail
[20:54] <jono> apologies
[20:55] <czajkowski> jono: aye the last time I was online as well but nobody called, maybe it should be removed from the cal then as I've just come home for the call again
[20:55] <jono> czajkowski, would still love you to join them, but I remember looking for you for the last few and didnt see you so I assume you were not around
[20:57] <czajkowski> maybe next cycle it can be more concrete like it used to be, agenda and items to go through
[21:05] <czajkowski> Joeb454: also I'm always on irc skype sometimes signs me out but always poking me here first grabs my attention
[21:05] <czajkowski> jono even
[21:24] <Joeb454> czajkowski: I'll keep that in mind if I ever need you for something ;)
[21:30] <popey> heh
[23:50] <akgraner> Steve Jobs Dies: Apple Chief Created Personal Computer, iPad, iPod - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813
[23:56] <akgraner> http://www.apple.com/