| Cheesehead | valorie: Thank you for that quite unexpected +1 on my rant | 02:09 |
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| valorie | you are most welcome -- honest speech is always welcome | 02:16 |
| NRWlion | morningo | 07:54 |
| akgraner | Hey all - hope your morning is going well...I am going to re-send invitations to all the leadership councils in the community the invitation to join this team...I think it's important that we are all working together in this effort | 09:59 |
| head_victim | akgraner: there were some interesting things brought up in the CC meeting earlier about leadership as well you might want to read | 10:00 |
| akgraner | head_victim, I know | 10:01 |
| akgraner | I read it all and have already send emails to some folks and working on a blog post now :-) | 10:01 |
| head_victim | akgraner: cool, just checking, figured it might be useful/relevant :) | 10:01 |
| akgraner | completely :-) | 10:02 |
| * head_victim has a habit of reading scrollbacks a bit too much | 10:02 | |
| akgraner | sorry didn't mean to be short - need to find my coffee cup... | 10:02 |
| head_victim | Coffee is always high on my priority list as well so don't stress, as long as it's found | 10:02 |
| akgraner | totally :-) | 10:02 |
| * bkerensa works on Ubuntu Oregon's Ocelot T-shirt designs | 16:01 | |
| akgraner | :-) | 16:02 |
| bkerensa | indeed fun :( | 16:04 |
| bkerensa | so much backlog of stuff to do | 16:05 |
| akgraner | always :-) | 16:21 |
| YoBoY | bkerensa: doing a tshirt for each release ? | 17:33 |
| bkerensa | Yeah thats the plan | 17:34 |
| bkerensa | and every global jam | 17:34 |
| bkerensa | :) | 17:34 |
| bkerensa | expensive | 17:34 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:34 |
| * bkerensa also will try and have catering provided for every release party and global jam | 17:34 | |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:34 |
| YoBoY | yes, it's expense to make one time tshirts :] | 17:37 |
| YoBoY | expensive | 17:37 |
| YoBoY | c'est cher quoi :D | 17:37 |
| bkerensa | YoBoY: $200-$300 each time | 17:40 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:40 |
| YoBoY | paid by the team or the participants ? | 17:42 |
| bkerensa | neither | 17:42 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:42 |
| bkerensa | Sponsors | 17:42 |
| YoBoY | cool :) | 17:43 |
| YoBoY | we don't have sponsors in France :] perhaps we are doing something wrong ^^" | 17:45 |
| Cheesehead | bkerensa: Sponsors pay for the shirts directly, or donate funds to the group? | 18:04 |
| Cheesehead | bkerensa: (Where in Oregon? I grew up in Portland) | 18:05 |
| YoBoY | bkerensa: how many tshirts do you make each time ? | 18:18 |
| bkerensa | 10 to 15 depends on the design (because cost varies by design) | 18:21 |
| bkerensa | Cheesehead: They pay directly.... We do not accept any funds :) | 18:22 |
| bkerensa | Cheesehead: Our release party will be in Portland at Backspace or Ground Kontrol | 18:22 |
| bkerensa | :D | 18:22 |
| bkerensa | Cheesehead: However I'm encouraging various other users in rural areas to kickstart Ubuntu Hours | 18:23 |
| Cheesehead | bkerensa: We're trying to grow Ubuntu Hours across Wisconsin, too. | 18:25 |
| YoBoY | ok easier to sponsor a small quantity I suppose :) | 18:25 |
| Cheesehead | YoBoY: Direct payment from sponsor to vendor has a tax advantage in the US, especially if the sponsored group is not regiesteered with those tax authorities! | 18:27 |
| Cheesehead | For example, my store sponsored 40 T-shirts for a school class. Direct payment to vendor makes it an "Advertising & Promotion" expense on the tax form. Donation to the school would make it a "Charitable Contribution", for which the audit requirements are quite strict. | 18:28 |
| Cheesehead | (US only) | 18:29 |
| YoBoY | clearly, but I need to find sponsors to make around 150 tshirts, it's a just more difficult :D | 18:31 |
| Cheesehead | Depends on the advertising budget of the sponsor. | 18:31 |
| YoBoY | yes | 18:32 |
| Cheesehead | Most places I'm familiar with have setup-cost + cost-per-shirt. 150 is doable in my budget every two years or so, and my store is *tiny*. | 18:33 |
| charlie-tca | Instead of asking one sponsor for 150, ask 15 for 10 tshirts each | 18:33 |
| Cheesehead | I'm usually more concerned about the shirt quality - lousy thin shirt reflects poorly on us. | 18:33 |
| YoBoY | charlie-tca: and my time machine? where is this awesome time machine to let me do that ? :D | 18:34 |
| Cheesehead | What does the sponsor get? Logo on the back? | 18:34 |
| YoBoY | (fear) | 18:34 |
| charlie-tca | I have them put their logo on the backs, myself. It gives them free advertising for a long time. | 18:35 |
| Cheesehead | Problem with backside is then you pay double the setup cost. That adds up fast on small orders. | 18:37 |
| YoBoY | 150 tshirts, every 6 month, for the volunteers (and with a model for women ;) ) with no other logo than Ubuntu (and just a small ubuntu-fr.org, new team guidelines, the product first) | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | this is true, too | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | YoBoY: that seems like a lot to ask for | 18:38 |
| Cheesehead | YoBoY: What about blank shirts, and a button or badge instead of silkscreening? | 18:38 |
| bkerensa | Cheesehead: American Apparel Shirts for the win | 18:38 |
| YoBoY | Cheesehead: blank shirts ? no fun :] | 18:39 |
| Cheesehead | Just thinking options. | 18:39 |
| Cheesehead | American Apparel shirts can be good. My preferred embroiderer/silkscreener uses them. | 18:40 |
| YoBoY | our last tshirt http://www.flickr.com/photos/rock-n-pol/5916332733/in/photostream/lightbox/ B&C 150g | 18:41 |
| bkerensa | YoBoY: It is surprisingly cheaper to have shirts made ourself then buy from Canonical | 18:43 |
| Cheesehead | YoBoY: I totally agree that your group is big enough and organized enough to need printed shirts. | 18:43 |
| Cheesehead | If you want a sponsor to mass-buy all 150, what should they get out of it? | 18:44 |
| YoBoY | bkerensa: yes | 18:44 |
| Cheesehead | I like the photo. Great shirt design! | 18:44 |
| YoBoY | Cheesehead: don't know... | 18:45 |
| YoBoY | the design is really simple, if you want it, i can give you ^^ | 18:45 |
| YoBoY | we have also this black model http://enventelibre.org/t-shirt-ubuntu-noir-special-1010 | 18:45 |
| Cheesehead | Drat. | 18:47 |
| * Cheesehead ducks out for a couple hours | 18:47 | |
| YoBoY | bkerensa: I asked a discount to buy 150 official lanyard in May, and they responded me they don't do that, it's the store price or nothing ^^ | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 18:54 |
| bkerensa | YoBoY: Did you have to ask Canonical to sell shirts? | 18:54 |
| YoBoY | we have an old agreement yes | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | and now... I present the Precise Pangolin, destined to become Xubuntu 12.04 LTS | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | s/Xubuntu/Ubuntu | 19:19 |
| ashams | akgraner: Hi, is it planned to add further information to Chapter 6, ex. giving more info on each on communication means at it's end? | 20:37 |
| akgraner | ashams, there is more information needed for all the chapters | 20:38 |
| akgraner | I was hoping to get chapters 1 and 2 done before UDS so I that there are completed chapters to use to teach me to add stuff to NZR | 20:38 |
| akgraner | bzr even | 20:38 |
| ashams | will take a look on both | 20:39 |
| akgraner | then I can create a how to based on that - and then everyone will know how to do it | 20:39 |
| akgraner | ashams, please free to add information | 20:40 |
| akgraner | or point to resources you think would be good to use for a chapter | 20:40 |
| ashams | can I add a new chapter too? I'm thinking of something like case studies describing some problems a team leader may run through and suggested solutions, what you think? | 20:41 |
| akgraner | ashams, proofing and feedback of course is needed too | 20:41 |
| Cheesehead | I suggest adding case studies to the existing chapters. | 20:41 |
| akgraner | ashams, yep I was think those would be good for appendix information | 20:41 |
| Cheesehead | (Since that's what I already did) | 20:42 |
| ashams | gr8 :) | 20:42 |
| akgraner | so make it an appendix - I think one or two in a chapter is fine - others should be in an appendix and in an online resource | 20:42 |
| ashams | akgraner: yeah, I second this | 20:42 |
| akgraner | but that's just the editor in me - :-) | 20:43 |
| ashams | case studies on each chapter will take a lot of time, Cheesehead , what you think? | 20:43 |
| akgraner | yes - a lot... | 20:43 |
| akgraner | but that can be added over time | 20:44 |
| akgraner | remember this isn't something that needs to be done all at once | 20:44 |
| ashams | yes but also keeping in mind that a lot of ppl in a need for this :) | 20:44 |
| akgraner | getting the core information in is important then we just add to it as people can...this way we don't add to much pressure onto those helping - feel free to create Appendix Foo Chapter Bar | 20:45 |
| akgraner | ashams, totally | 20:45 |
| Cheesehead | ashams: I think akgraner has put together an excellent skeleton for us to flesh out. Whether examples go in a chapter or an appendix is really the editor's preference. | 20:45 |
| Cheesehead | Since the editor is akgraner, I defer. | 20:45 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, people can add stuff wherever and in the final stages we can flesh it out | 20:46 |
| ashams | Hey, I think there's some kind of misunderstanding | 20:46 |
| ashams | I wasn't talking about examples | 20:46 |
| akgraner | I'm not picky - (yet) :-) I am just excited and encouraged by everyones enthusiasm and willingness to help out | 20:47 |
| ashams | but, about a a problems that existed locos ran through and possible solutions | 20:47 |
| ashams | some problems* | 20:47 |
| akgraner | ashams, nods - but the problem is some haven't voiced these problems | 20:47 |
| * Cheesehead is confused by the difference | 20:48 | |
| ashams | I mean when things go bad and leaders can't deal with it | 20:48 |
| akgraner | so I am going to ask the loco contacts/ loco council to help document those - I'll cc you on the email if you'd like to help sorting that out | 20:48 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, some things are this has occurred | 20:48 |
| ashams | akgraner: sure | 20:48 |
| akgraner | others are this might happen here's how to prepare | 20:48 |
| Cheesehead | So...examples of things that have gone wrong? | 20:49 |
| ashams | Cheesehead: yeah | 20:49 |
| ashams | and how to fix it | 20:49 |
| akgraner | yep | 20:49 |
| * Cheesehead seems to understand better now | 20:49 | |
| ashams | :) | 20:49 |
| akgraner | slight difference | 20:50 |
| ashams | yes, but should we add it to each chapter on somewhere else? | 20:50 |
| akgraner | ashams, I'll work on that over the next day or two | 20:50 |
| ashams | or* | 20:50 |
| akgraner | let's just add them separately then we can work them into the chapters | 20:51 |
| Cheesehead | Case studies of that sort are precisely what I hope to bring to the IRC workshops as well | 20:51 |
| akgraner | (as needed) | 20:51 |
| ashams | aha | 20:51 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, I love the online workshop ideas | 20:51 |
| Cheesehead | Always nice to be able to re-use good material | 20:51 |
| DarkwingDuck | akgraner: Quick publishing question for you. | 20:52 |
| Cheesehead | akgraner: When I have time later this week, I plan to get more aggressive about recruiting some trainers. | 20:52 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, nice! Let me know how I can help :-) I am working on open getting through open week right now | 20:52 |
| akgraner | DarkwingDuck, shoot | 20:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | akgraner: when submitting an ad. Does Ubuntu User require the color and percision markers on the edges and corners? | 20:53 |
| akgraner | depends on what it's for...but generally not | 20:54 |
| akgraner | what ad are you submitting - print or online? | 20:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay. It's a full page ad for SCALE. :) Want a sneek peek? | 20:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | Print I believe. | 20:55 |
| akgraner | ahhh - and of course... | 20:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's still SVG but, I'm getting it ready for print once it's 100% approved. http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/SCaLE10/Ads/UbuntuUser.svg | 20:56 |
| ashams | DarkwingDuck: it's nice :) | 20:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Thanks. | 20:58 |
| akgraner | NIce | 20:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | I have not done any graphic design for almost 10 years. Feels good to get back into it. | 20:58 |
| akgraner | Nice | 20:58 |
| akgraner | I love SCALE | 20:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 20:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | Me too. | 20:58 |
| akgraner | it's one of my favorite events to 1) speak at 2) attend 3) interview the planners | 20:58 |
| akgraner | which reminds me I need to submit my talk | 20:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) I'm doing most of the graphic planning this year. | 20:59 |
| akgraner | that's great | 20:59 |
| akgraner | those folks are an awesome group | 20:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yes they are. | 20:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | You coming in January Amber? | 20:59 |
| akgraner | ashams, back to your question - just create either an appendix or New Chapter | 21:00 |
| akgraner | it's a quick fix no matter how we decide to incorporate and use them. :-) thank you for being willing to work on this part | 21:00 |
| akgraner | DarkwingDuck, yep | 21:01 |
| akgraner | Hoping my talk will get picked up | 21:02 |
| DarkwingDuck | akgraner: woot! | 21:02 |
| akgraner | I am submitting a few.... | 21:02 |
| ashams | akgraner: thanks, I'll create a list of cases on 2-3 next days then start working on them | 21:02 |
| akgraner | too many ideas :-) I want to talk about | 21:02 |
| akgraner | ashams, great! thank you and I'll CC you on the email and tell people you are the POC but that they an drop in here or the mailing list etc - but sometimes just having a POC makes people feel easier with submissions etc | 21:03 |
| akgraner | some people will want to talk about things but may not want their name associated with the problem | 21:04 |
| akgraner | so they will have to know if they ask for confidentially that it will be respected | 21:04 |
| akgraner | (not saying you wouldn't - just mentioning you may get/see some of that) | 21:04 |
| ashams | np at all, it will be fully respected and handled with care, would you please hint for this in the email? | 21:06 |
| ashams | just mention that they can reply privately whenever needed | 21:07 |
| akgraner | will do :-) | 21:08 |
| ashams | thanks | 21:10 |
| NRWlion | hey there | 21:33 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: ping | 21:34 |
| === DarkwingDuck is now known as Darkwing | ||
| === Darkwing is now known as DarkwingDuck | ||
| === DarkwingDuck is now known as Darkwing | ||
| Darkwing | Disney has formally requested that I stop using the trademarked name DarkwingDuck. | 23:00 |
| akgraner | ha your first cease and desist go you! | 23:02 |
| Darkwing | :D | 23:04 |
| valorie | did they write you a letter or something? | 23:05 |
| valorie | geez | 23:05 |
| Darkwing | They called me. | 23:05 |
| Cheesehead | The standard used to be consumer confusion (see Apple Records v. Apple Computer) | 23:06 |
| Cheesehead | If you're simply using the name as an online alias, they are just bullying and have no real standing. | 23:07 |
| Cheesehead | (I am not licensed to practice law in Califonria) | 23:08 |
| valorie | indeed -- how are you making money from it? | 23:08 |
| valorie | you aren't | 23:08 |
| valorie | that said, you have a family and probably don't want to risk legal action | 23:09 |
| valorie | ugh | 23:09 |
| Darkwing | Darkwing isn't trademarked and so I'm using it. | 23:09 |
| Darkwing | :D | 23:10 |
| Cheesehead | Have them mail you a letter, then forward it to your favorite TV stations. | 23:10 |
| Darkwing | LOL | 23:10 |
| Cheesehead | ...purely for the entertainment value, of course. | 23:10 |
| Darkwing | Nope.. I dont' want to be a pain. | 23:10 |
| Cheesehead | Drat. I was going to make you into *real* trademark-defying logo. | 23:12 |
| * Cheesehead hits the delete key | 23:12 | |
| akgraner | rebels! | 23:13 |
| akgraner | :-P | 23:13 |
| valorie | against the unholy corporate DRM alliance? | 23:17 |
| valorie | YEAH | 23:17 |
| * Darkwing sighs | 23:18 | |
| Darkwing | This nick is everywhere. | 23:18 |
| Darkwing | GPG, SSH, Wow... | 23:18 |
| * Cheesehead debates changing his nick to ScroogeMcDuck | 23:19 | |
| Cheesehead | Or perhaps ScroogeMcDuck{$obscenity} | 23:20 |
| * Cheesehead decides to stick to TheHamburglar | 23:20 | |
| Cheesehead | What about DarkwingDuckNotTheDisneyOne ? | 23:32 |
| Cheesehead | Okay, I'm dropping it. | 23:33 |
| Darkwing | LOL!!! | 23:34 |
| knome | DarkwingGoose? | 23:34 |
| Darkwing | I wonder if I need to do something with darkwingduck.org.... | 23:34 |
| Cheesehead | Yes, offer to sell it. | 23:34 |
| knome | for $10 billion. | 23:35 |
| Darkwing | XD | 23:36 |
| Cheesehead | Honestly, you need change nothing. From your (limited) description, the trademark holders must prove they attempted to enforce it. But they are very unlikely to sue - you are making no money from the trademarked phrase, and there is no consumer confusion | 23:37 |
| Cheesehead | So they did what they must. | 23:37 |
| Cheesehead | But that doesn;t mean you must do what they want. | 23:38 |
| Cheesehead | Sleep tonight unworried by this. It will make a great party story someday, and very likely no more. | 23:39 |
| Cheesehead | Conversely, they have much to lose. | 23:40 |
| Darkwing | Or, I can just change and be a the nice guy :) | 23:41 |
| Darkwing | I've actually changed 99% of everything already. | 23:41 |
| Cheesehead | If they hire you, it would be cheaper than suing you... | 23:41 |
| * Cheesehead admits it's easy to be aggressive if your'e not the one staring at an open-ended lawsuit from a multi-billion-dollar corporation | 23:44 | |
| * Cheesehead would probably do exactly what Darkwing is doing | 23:45 | |
| Darkwing | hehehe. They didn't threaten me. They actually kinda requested that I change. | 23:45 |
| Darkwing | Hopy crud! | 23:48 |
| Darkwing | Steve Jobs is dead. | 23:48 |
| * Cheesehead offers a respectful moment of silence | 23:49 | |
| akgraner | Steve Jobs Dies: Apple Chief Created Personal Computer, iPad, iPod - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813 | 23:49 |
| Darkwing | Say waht you want about methodoligy... He was a true visionary. | 23:50 |
| akgraner | that he was! | 23:50 |
| knome | huh | 23:50 |
| akgraner | http://www.apple.com/ | 23:56 |
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