[00:32] <GrahamIRC> Hi, anyone sucessfully playing HD content on Mythbuntu?
[00:42] <mrand> GrahamIRC: many, many people
[00:42] <GrahamIRC> ok I seem to get random pauses for like half a second
[00:43] <GrahamIRC> Looking at disc and CPU, nothing is stressed
[00:43] <GrahamIRC> happens with or without VDPAU
[00:43] <mrand> running fixes?
[00:43] <mrand> (i.e., 0.24.1)?
[00:44] <GrahamIRC> whatever mythbuntu 11.04 is
[00:44] <mrand> yeah, that should be.  Hrm.
[00:44] <mrand> be right back
[00:45] <GrahamIRC> :-)
[02:00] <len> Does anyone know the proper way to get an mce remote working in 11.10? With lirc installed I get nothing. Without lirc installed the remote works with the new kernel level support, but the keys are not mapped correctly. I'm following the mythtv org wiki about using the devinput lirc dirver, and that doesn't seem to be working either.
[02:01] <len> This remote is just about the most common one out there, so I assume a lot of people are going to have problems.
[02:04] <len> Does anyone here have a working remote since they started putting ir_remote drivers in the kernel and changing how things are done?
[02:04] <GrahamIRC> haven't tried that yet - sounds like I have some fun in store :-s
[02:04] <len> Everything always worked without a hitch in Lucid and prior
[02:05] <GrahamIRC> I'm new to mythbuntu, been using CentOS for the last few years
[02:06] <GrahamIRC> I tend to use SpeedLink remotes - cheap and easy to get hold of and appear as keyboard and mouse so should be easy to map
[02:06] <len> Probably, it seems like the whole ir thing is stuck in transition because the kernel guys wanted to hand ir differently than the lirc guys because they wanted to make it more similar to other input devices like keyboards.
[02:06] <GrahamIRC> can't seem to find the mce remotes any more - I have one which I use on my CentOS system
[02:07] <GrahamIRC> kinda makes sense I guess
[02:07] <len> Myth is still lirc-based, so you have to run both drivers and have some bridge between them.  The whole thing is very confusing.
[02:07] <GrahamIRC> yes I've used the devinput driver with the speedlinks
[02:08] <len> You shouldn't have any problems with it if you use Lucid LTS
[02:09] <len> It would be nice if I know what the official way you're supposed to go about setting up mce remotes for mythbuntu specifically
[02:10] <GrahamIRC> nothing in the myth control centre app?
[02:11] <len> There is a place in myth control centre where you can say you're device has "native support" in kenel, which mce remotes do in newer kernel, but all that does is uninstall lirc
[02:11] <len> The kernel drivers do work, but..
[02:11] <len> They don't map correctly to mythtv options.
[02:12] <GrahamIRC> :-S
[02:12] <len> Arrow keys work, but I can't figure out how to get any key to back up to a previous menu
[02:12] <GrahamIRC> IR remotes always seem to have been the trickiest thing in myth!
[02:13] <len> I had some problems with other remotes in the past with Lucid-, but never with mce remotes because they were so common.
[02:14]  * patdk-lap hugs his ps3 remote :)
[02:14] <GrahamIRC> ah yes I was thinking of going the bluetooth route
[02:14] <GrahamIRC> did play around with the Wiimotes
[02:15] <len> What did you use for a receiver with the wiimotes?
[02:15] <GrahamIRC> just a bluetooth dongle
[02:16] <len> How'd they work?
[02:16] <patdk-lap> I'm using it to just send keypresses, so it just looks like a keyboard
[02:17] <GrahamIRC> there's a app/script called pywii if I remember correctly - you can use buttons and gestures to control myth
[02:17] <GrahamIRC> quite fun but I prefer a remote with fixed buttons tbh
[02:18] <len> I have an ir keyboard that works fine, but i'd much rather just use a little remote than a bulky keyboard on my lap.  I mostly just want to navigate the myth menus
[02:18] <patdk-lap> I have the playstation button on the remote to an instant shutdown :)
[02:18] <GrahamIRC> someone must have an mce remote working
[02:19] <patdk-lap> I never could stand ir remotes
[02:19] <len> You'd think so, but judging from the small number of people in here, and the fact that there hasn't been much activity on the mythbuntu site, maybe mythbuntus days are waning.
[02:19] <patdk-lap> before I went full myth, I used wireless remotes, using rf
[02:20] <GrahamIRC> I hope not, I've only just moved to it from CentOS
[02:20] <GrahamIRC> CentOS has been great - the same server and build for 5 years!
[02:20] <len> You were running mythtv on centos?
[02:21] <GrahamIRC> but it's kernel is just too old now for some of the stuff I want to do - even the kernel that comes with CentOS 6 is just that little bit too out of date to support HD Audio
[02:21] <GrahamIRC> I was going to use Fedora but it's lifespan is so short that I'd be forever upgrading
[02:22] <GrahamIRC> so here I am using Mythbuntu
[02:22] <GrahamIRC> Yes len, CentOS runs it perfectly
[02:22] <len> Yeah, audio over HDMI can be a real bitch.  I've pulled my hair out many times
[02:22] <GrahamIRC> I've got audio over HDMI working ok, but not tried HD audio yet
[02:23] <GrahamIRC> I know I'll need to upgrade the alsa that comes with 11.04 - hoping it might be there in 11.10 when it ships
[02:24] <len> It's running fine right now, but I have had lots of different problems.  Pulse audio wanted to always channel to the optical out instead, and hdmi won't work at all with the radeon driver, you have to use fglrx
[02:25] <GrahamIRC> I've always plumped for nvidia with Myth - seems like the line of least resistance and VDPAU and HDMI seem to work a treat
[02:26] <len> I've had more audio problems in linux than anything right.  They keep adding more and more layers and things seem to get more and more complicated with more conflicts and misrouting.
[02:26] <GrahamIRC> I've stuck to alsa
[02:27] <GrahamIRC> and just route the audio straight out the hdmi with no processing
[02:27] <len> I have nvidia on my main system, but for media machines that are on all the time I use boards with built in ati for low power.
[02:28] <patdk-lap> never had issue with audio, even audio over hdmi
[02:28] <len> Well, you always end up using ALSA, it's just a matter of how many additional layers are in-between.
[02:28] <patdk-lap> I won't use vdpau though
[02:28] <GrahamIRC> I found a great option for low power frontends - a laptop!
[02:28] <GrahamIRC> the one I'm on here has nvidia built in with hdmi and s/pdif outs
[02:28] <GrahamIRC> supports vdpau
[02:29] <len> I've been removing pulseaudio for ages, but finally gave in since ubuntu has been pushing it so hard.  They really, really want you to use it.
[02:29]  * patdk-lap uses a normal computer, with a gt220, and network boot
[02:29] <GrahamIRC> low power. quiet and built in IR reciever, bluetooth and UPS!
[02:29] <GrahamIRC> I've just swapped by GT220 for a GT520 as the 220 doesn't quite support HBR for HD audio
[02:29] <GrahamIRC> and the 520 is fanless so nice n quiet
[02:30] <patdk-lap> I need low profile
[02:30] <patdk-lap> wife keeps the tv on 24/7
[02:30] <patdk-lap> and it draws like 8x more than the computer
[02:30] <GrahamIRC> lol
[02:30] <GrahamIRC> true
[02:30] <len> Speaking of low power, I just got a AMD C-60 netbook with much more video power than other netbooks.
[02:31] <GrahamIRC> any good?
[02:31] <len> Seems like a great chip for myth boxes
[02:31] <GrahamIRC> there's some interesting hardware coming through
[02:31]  * patdk-lap only cares about h264 performance anymore
[02:31] <len> Yeah, seems more like a notebook than a netbook, but lasts all day on a charge
[02:31] <patdk-lap> never watch anything else
[02:32] <len> Always like fanless for mythboxes.  They don't use the 3D anyway, so you don't need the big monster video cards
[02:32] <GrahamIRC> I've transcoded pretty much everything to h264 too
[02:34] <len> What about people using a Roku myth channel as a front end?  It only takes 2 Watts.  Hard to beat that for low power usage.
[02:35] <len> The roku 2 is only about the size of a hockey puck.
[02:37] <len> patdk-lap, are you using an ir-remote?
[02:39] <GrahamIRC> but can it do HD?
[02:41] <len> Yeah, it does 1080p
[02:41] <GrahamIRC> blimey
[02:43] <GrahamIRC> wifi only?
[02:43] <len> I haven't tried getting it to work with Myth.
[02:43] <len> The XS versions has wifi and wired ethernet
[02:43] <GrahamIRC> I wonder if it's hackable
[02:43] <GrahamIRC> cos wifi not really good for HD
[02:44] <GrahamIRC> especially if there are other devices using it
[02:44] <len> I have it hard wired.
[02:44] <GrahamIRC> good plan
[02:44] <len> You can put it in developer mode and start messing around with it.  That's what you have to do to get a myth channel
[02:44] <GrahamIRC> I only really use wifi for laptops and smartphones
[02:45] <GrahamIRC> I was thinking more like diskless frontend :-)
[02:45] <len> It's $99 for the one with wifi and ethernet port.  $79 for the one with just wifi.
[02:46] <len> Yeah, that's what it is, I think.  I 2 watt one :)
[02:46] <len> A
[02:46] <GrahamIRC> might have to invest in one of those for playing with
[02:47] <len> It's hard to beat the price
[02:47] <GrahamIRC> not sure how $99 becomes £138 :-S
[02:47] <GrahamIRC> rip-off Britain strikes again!
[02:47] <Shadow__X> would i actually be able to play mpeg2 hd streams from mythtv though?
[02:47] <Shadow__X> i would think it would have hardware decoders
[02:48] <GrahamIRC> think you'd use h264
[02:48] <len> Hmm.  That does seem very odd.  Can't you just buy direct from Roku with a CC to pay the $99 in dollars and have the cc  do the conversion?
[02:49] <GrahamIRC> yeah probably but a pain if it goes wrong and needs to be returned
[02:49] <len> Think the new version 2 units use h264
[02:49] <GrahamIRC> that's what you want :-)
[02:49] <len> Still only $99
[02:50] <len> XS 2 is the one you'd want
[02:50] <GrahamIRC> yup that's the £138 one
[02:51] <GrahamIRC> is the XD the wifi only one?
[02:51] <len> Yeah.
[02:52] <GrahamIRC> XS is £118 on Amazon - still seems like the exchange rate is the wrong way round!
[02:53] <len> It's like the XS, but doesn't have the ethernet port, come with the motion controller, or have angry birds. :)
[02:53] <Shadow__X> there arent any ports for it though right
[02:53] <len> No, just wifi on the XD
[02:54] <Shadow__X> so you would have to figure a way to do on the fly transcoding to use it as a real frontend
[02:54] <GrahamIRC> Angry Birds!
[02:55] <patdk-lap> hmm, my video card gets pretty hot when I'm playing movies, and that is without vdpau, and only 720p
[02:55] <len> HD is probably the same as the XD with software crippling to sell it cheaper.  Can't imagine why it wouldn't be able to to 1080p, I'm sure the hardware is the same.  You could prob hack an HD to be the same as a XD
[02:55] <Shadow__X> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VdyIcL7wY4 thats kind of neat
[02:57] <GrahamIRC> nice
[02:57] <len> Yeah, it looks pretty slick.
[02:58] <GrahamIRC> right time for bed
[02:58] <GrahamIRC> nice chatting guys
[02:58] <len> Goodnight
[11:48] <Moscherkobold> hello everyone
[13:22] <Moscherkobold> hello, i have a problem here maybe someone can help me
[13:22] <Moscherkobold> when i switch channel in livetv frontend i get the following error
[13:22] <Moscherkobold> "error opening jump program file"
[13:22] <Moscherkobold> here is a part of my backendlog
[13:22] <Moscherkobold> http://paste.ubuntu.com/702748/
[19:06] <st8ofmi9d> I'm working to get MythTV running using an HVR-2250. I was able to get the card setup but when I go to LiveTV, I get a split second of sound and video before it freezes. I did a lot of searching and some posts indicated that it might be a problem with a video drivers. I verified xorg.conf and I am using NVIDIA for the display. cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version shows that I have:
[19:06] <st8ofmi9d>  NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  195.36.15  Thu Mar 11 21:41:46 PST 2010
[19:06] <st8ofmi9d>  GCC version:  gcc version 4.3.2 (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu12)
[19:06] <st8ofmi9d> Am I going down the right path to correct the freezing problem? Any thoughts on how to get it working?
[19:09] <tgm4883> st8ofmi9d, I'm not sure why it would be an issue with nvidia
[19:10] <tgm4883> are you using linuxmce?
[19:10] <st8ofmi9d> yes
[19:10] <tgm4883> Have you asked them?
[19:10] <st8ofmi9d> yes, but no luck so far.
[19:11] <tgm4883> does the card work outside of mythtv?
[19:11] <tgm4883> or rather, you have identified it is the playback as the issue, and not the recording?
[19:12] <st8ofmi9d> I seem to remember having the same issue with a different card and a different system on my Mythbuntu machine so i decided to stop by here. No, I have never gotten the card working.
[19:12] <st8ofmi9d> Ok, I will try to verify that it's a playback issue and not a recording. How do I access teh logs to see where it locks up?
[19:12] <tgm4883> how about you cat the device to a file then try playing it back?
[19:13] <tgm4883> perhaps on another machine that you know works?
[19:13] <tgm4883> The information you provided so far is about half of what we would need to even start working on this issue
[19:16] <st8ofmi9d> tgm4883: Understood. I'm trying to gather information so I can help myself get help. I'm trying to learn my way around linux. I've used Mythbuntu for two years now on another machine. I had difficulty getting it running but so far it's been running on it's own
[19:17] <len> Any idea why my Mythbuntu Control Center Auto Login Configuration is Grayed out, so I can't configure auto login?
[19:18] <len> After upgrading to 11.10 it stopped loggining automatically, and the section to config it is disabled.
[19:22] <superm1> len, there isn't a GUI tool for configuring automatic login on lightdm for oneiric unfortunately
[19:22] <superm1> so MCC doesn't have one to open
[19:22] <superm1> the problem you hit is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/854431
[19:22] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #854431 in lightdm (Ubuntu): “GDM automatic login is not transitioned to lightdm automatic login”
[19:29] <superm1> len, i reported the missing GUI tool as bug 868652 if you want to subscribe to that
[19:29] <Zinn> Bug 868652 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm doesn't provide a gdmsetup type tool" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/868652
[21:01] <len> superm1, Zinn:  Thanks for the info.  I'm kind of surprised it didn't just retain the autologin from the previous version when I upgraded.
[21:01] <Zinn> Hi len, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[21:05] <Moscherkobold> i was not able to find a solution for my problem, here is it again:
[21:05] <Moscherkobold> hello, i have a problem here maybe someone can help me
[21:05] <Moscherkobold> when i switch channel in livetv frontend i get the following error
[21:05] <Moscherkobold> "error opening jump program file"
[21:05] <Moscherkobold> here is a part of my backendlog
[21:05] <Moscherkobold> http://paste.ubuntu.com/702748/
[21:06] <Zinn> [paste.ubuntu.com] Ubuntu Pastebin
[21:06] <Moscherkobold> any sugestions?
[21:06] <superm1> len, yeah hopefully that bug will get fixed that the information is transitioned to lightdm
[21:07] <Moscherkobold> maybe the reason is here? 2011-10-05 15:13:47.798 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Can't open vbi device: ''
[21:07] <len> I just upgraded it from Lucid, so I'm not familiar with lightdm.  No more XFCE?
[21:08] <len> I use KDE on my regular systems, so I don't follow what's happening with ubiquity and all that.
[21:09] <superm1> len, lightdm replaces gdm
[21:09] <superm1> for the login manager
[21:09] <superm1> most of the GTK based ubuntu derivates switched to it
[21:10] <len> Oh, OK.  So Mythbuntu is still built on xbuntu
[21:11] <superm1> yeah still xfce
[21:11] <superm1> so if we didn't follow the lightdm switch we would be using code that wasn't maintained at all, which leads to problems with so many moving pieces in ubuntu
[21:12] <len> Makes sense.  Better to concentrate mostly on the Myth-specific elements that to maintain your own gdm