[00:34] AlanBell: ping [02:04] OH NO two of my university modules clash. :( [02:04] HazRPG: What shall I do? I can't go to both lectures if they're at the same time [02:04] Step 1) Record one of them, Step 2) Record the other one too, Step 3) Sit at home with your feet up and watch them while munching popcorn, Step 4) Congratulations you have now beaten university [02:05] Azelphur: I have a feeling you aren't taking this seriously. [02:05] * Azelphur never takes anything seriously [02:06] still, I don't see why you can't just record one and watch it later \o/ [02:06] indeed [02:07] sammm: you could just check to see if there's an alt. day for the same lecturer/class... that's what I use to do :P [02:07] HazRPG: Neither lecture is double taught. :( [02:07] * Azelphur has the best approach [02:07] high school dropout \o/ [02:07] Azelphur: Shhhhh troll [02:08] my life isn't a troll :( [02:08] HazRPG: I guess I should just drop one of the modules and pick up one which doesn't clash? [02:08] sammm: Azelphur isn't a troll :/ [02:08] HazRPG: he called my life a troll :( [02:08] lol [02:08] Azelphur: I saws :( [02:08] HazRPG: I don't care, he's not helpful [02:08] I can live with that ^ [02:09] HazRPG: What do students normally do when they have a timetable clash? [02:09] sammm: err... look for the alt? [02:09] i only went to about 20% of my lectures in university [02:09] HazRPG: Alt lecture? I'm not sure there is one. [02:09] same class will be repeated several times in a week for different groups :/ [02:09] that's probably why i got a third though [02:09] HazRPG: But I can ask my tutor or something if there is. [02:10] sammm: indeed, or ask them for advise as to what you could do [02:10] HazRPG: Okay, I've emailed my tutor and hopefully he'll get back to me later today and give me some solutions. [02:10] HazRPG: Yeah, but I can't do that for at least 6 hours [02:10] ali1234: you have higher attendance than me :P [02:10] what are the two modules? [02:10] they probably assumed nobody want to do both of them [02:11] ali1234: Issues in Macroeconomic Policy and Decision Making in Business [02:11] hmm [02:11] are they elective modules? [02:11] cos decision making in business sounds like a joke module to me [02:12] ali1234: I chose it based on the module code [02:12] ali1234: at UCLan, none of the lecturers clashed, it was mainly the practicals/lessons that would clash, but had several different ones of the same thing because there would be about 5-6 different courses with similar modules - tutors don't mind you sitting in on those, as long as you have those modules on your course [02:12] EBR223 [02:12] Reminds me of Battlefield [02:12] ali1234: And also, it sounds like an easy 10 credits. :) [02:12] at manchester, there were probably clashing lectures, but it wasn't ever possible to pick both clashing modules because you couldn't ever have the prerequisite modules for both [02:12] sammm: alt. you could just ask your classmates for notes ^_^ [02:13] or ask them to video it for you ^_^ [02:13] HazRPG: My friend/soon-to-be-fuck-buddy has notes. :) [02:13] HazRPG: ninjaing my ideas :p [02:14] Azelphur: don't you know, there's like 134 ninjas in here, 127 of them are failing ;D [02:14] lol [02:14] http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2008/09/ninjas-there-are-four-of-them-in-this-picture.jpg \o/ [02:14] CTRL+C or ALT+F4 is the easiest way to be a ninja (quick tip for everyone \o/) [02:15] Azelphur: haha, exactly like that xD [02:15] :) [02:15] Pressing the power reset button is even easier [02:15] And faster [02:15] USB takes 8 ms to react [02:15] Plus operating system latency [02:16] wall switch is even easier xD [02:16] insta-all off! [02:16] I can ninja faster than you because my USB is overclocked :) [02:16] 500hz [02:17] sammm: I use USB3 ;D [02:17] I can ninja in more ways than you, I have 102 extra keys ontop of my keyboard [02:17] :D [02:17] HazRPG: Exploding the sun is even easier because it destroys your computer, the internet, and anyone on the internet [02:17] Azelphur: But they take 8ms to do anything [02:17] dude you both fail, easiest way is dividing by zero [02:17] its like mega fuuuuuuuu power right there! [02:17] HazRPG: What's the polling rate of USB3? [02:18] err [02:18] http://gamesweb.sk/editor/images/pages/2/13357/logitech-gseries.jpg [02:18] when in doubt, add more buttons [02:18] 5Gb/s transmission speeds? [02:18] More buttons !=better keyboard [02:18] I have the Keyboard (G19) and the Gamepad (G19) and the wireless version of the headset (G930), I use a different mouse though :p [02:18] HazRPG: Bandwidth and latency are two different things [02:18] HazRPG: Gawd, I thought you knew more about this stuff than me [02:19] XD [02:19] sammm: I code... [02:19] sammm: hardware isn't my forte ^_^ [02:19] HazRPG: Yay I probably know more about hardware than you :) [02:19] ^ this also applies to me [02:20] I know the hardware I need, and want... bout it :P [02:20] Azelphur: Wireless keyboards, headsets and mice suck [02:20] if it works, then score \o/ [02:20] sammm: the keyboard, mouse and gamepad arn't wireless [02:20] sammm: I'm sure Azelphur will agree - if it works, then score \o/ [02:21] I opted for a wireless headset because I keep snagging and breaking the cables :) [02:21] Azelphur: Added latency and compaction [02:21] s/compaction/something/ [02:21] yea, I don't use wireless for input, the only wireless device is the headset [02:21] Azelphur: But it's compressed [02:21] s/compaction/compression/ [02:21] yep [02:21] so's any music you ever listen to on a computer anyway [02:21] sammm: doesn't matter what latency you get from your hardware... it'll all not matter cos your speed between HDD->RAM->CPU will also have slowdowns [02:21] that doesn't matter when you only use it for micspamming on TF2 :) [02:22] ali1234: good point ^_^ [02:22] also I believe the codec used is lossless anyway [02:22] so in summary... nope it's great :D [02:23] HazRPG: Yes, which is why I turn down graphics [02:23] HazRPG: Less load on hardware=higher framerate=less latency [02:23] 100+ FPS FTW [02:23] 60 FPS is for scrubs [02:23] HazRPG: I'm really going to struggle with my maths this year :( [02:24] I'm happy with 60, my monitors refresh rate is 60 and I have vsync turned on in most things [02:24] i don't like watching HDTV cos it;s all 30FPS and it looks really juddery [02:24] and I don't need to turn down my graphics, WoW is quite happy running at 3840x1200 via wine :D [02:24] ali1234: lil [02:24] lol* [02:24] Azelphur: Scrub [02:24] sammm: what games you play? [02:24] would much prefer blurry, but 50fps SDTV any day [02:25] ali1234: heh, indeed [02:25] the picture on TV shows was much better back in the day [02:25] back when live meant live [02:25] not stuffed through a mpeg encoder [02:26] Azelphur: Counter Strike, Dota, CoD4 [02:26] L4D [02:26] sammm: used to do CS:S now I'm a TF2 person :) [02:26] Azelphur: my monitor only does 72Hz, or so... so anything more than that is a waste really [02:26] Azelphur: TF2 can be fun [02:26] I play WoW and Minecraft too, fun fun [02:26] HazRPG: C...R...T D: ? [02:26] Azelphur: Lame games [02:26] nou [02:27] Azelphur: Guild Wars>WoW and anything>Minecraft [02:27] I played guild wars and didn't much like it tbh [02:27] I played all the way up to max level and got bored and left it [02:27] Azelphur: Why not? [02:27] Azelphur: The game takes more skill [02:27] Azelphur: It's not an MMORPG [02:27] I didn't find anything to do at max level [02:28] Azelphur: It's a competitive third-person action fighting game [02:28] Azelphur: Compete in tournaments [02:28] *shrug* You can do that in WoW anyway? [02:28] WoW does suck [02:28] daftykins: nope... TFT (possibly LCD?) [02:28] Azelphur: Not really, WoW is just about who has the highest numbers on their axe [02:28] but then so does guild wars [02:28] Azelphur: And who is highest level and has best gear [02:28] and all FPS games [02:28] HazRPG: ah. not really refresh rates then [02:28] sammm: that's actually really wrong lol [02:29] Azelphur: And who has the most unbalanced setups [02:29] 72 is odd though 0o [02:29] Azelphur: Shhhhh troll [02:29] I actually play the game, unlike you guys clearly :p [02:29] but the fact is is that in PvE someone that knows the tactics, and knows how to play their class, is far better/more useful than someone who is geared [02:29] and the two often don't come hand in hand [02:30] Azelphur: PvE scrub [02:30] the problem with WoW is the whole world is so locked down you can't do anything interesting [02:30] daftykins: ah, my old monitor was 72Hz, seems these ones are 60.02Hz according to NVIDIA X Server Settings... [02:30] nah, I'm a PvP scrub too, I beat a level 60 guy when I was level 40 once :p [02:31] and I used to take out people that was better geared than me all the time, although now I actually have gear so it's a faceroll most of the time :P [02:31] :> [02:31] but yea, gear is a factor, but gear is as much of a factor as knowing your class, and having decent reaction times is too [02:31] any one is useless without the others. [02:32] Azelphur: much agreed! [02:32] :) [02:33] I currently play SC2... and well, I hate it when people say "such and such race is so OP!" when its not really true... [02:33] hehe [02:33] of course it's not true [02:33] people never say that when it is actually true [02:33] when said player has an APM of around 15 average :/ [02:34] OP? [02:34] over powered [02:34] trying to beat someone who has APM of 70-80 odd APM [02:34] ali1234: beat me to it :P [02:34] I'm quite good at WoW, Currently I'm the ranked the 38th mage on my server :p [02:34] if they really think that race is over powered, why don't they just play it? [02:34] but here's the thing [02:35] having every team exactly equal makes a boring game [02:35] ali1234: that's what I always tell them, and their excuse "don't like that race..." lol [02:35] ^ this too [02:35] true! [02:35] it;s like when you're playing street fighter [02:35] everyone complains ryu is over powered [02:35] then you thrash them with e honda [02:36] and then they have nothing to say [02:36] * Azelphur is an akuma pro [02:36] however, in things like SC2, each race is /roughly/ equal... however, the order in which things are built, or the order of when you can get the same type of units vary considerably [02:36] lol, akuma is deliberately over powered, he's a boss damnit :) [02:36] haha [02:36] you need characters like that too [02:36] some days I'll go into 2v2's and have my ass handed to me, other days I'll go in and we'll kill them, laugh, resurrect them and kill them again [02:36] (Actually did that once, so funny) [02:37] apparently street fighter has changed a lot since i last played it [02:37] ali1234: yea, it's going the way of sonic [02:37] the latest street fighter is seriously like playing in slow mo [02:37] and they jump less distance than my grandma can. [02:38] so like tekken then? [02:38] sf4 isn't fun imho... bought it, wished I didn't... tried to sell it on... but would have gotten much less than I paid for it (even though I only had it about a month)... so I kept it regardless, but its collecting dust :/ [02:38] ali1234: yea pretty much [02:38] sf4 is collecting dust in my steam account, doesn't even work in Linux :( [02:38] installed vista on my laptop just to try it, it made me a sad panda. [02:38] marvel vs capcom is the best street fighter game [02:39] on dreamcast ofc [02:39] hehe [02:39] ali1234: ofc! I still own both those \o/ [02:39] my dreamcast broke :( [02:40] mine did too [02:40] it keeps rebooting itself [02:40] * HazRPG stares at his DC to the left of me connected to my old CRT TV :) [02:40] you can connect them to VGA you know [02:40] I'm going the way of emulation with everything console now anyway [02:40] got rid of most of my old consoles [02:40] ali1234: I know... this is just more old-school for me [02:40] DC emulators don't work :( [02:40] even gamecube emulators work better [02:41] :( [02:41] even wii emulators... [02:41] ali1234: if your talking about linux emulators... yeah, sadly ;( [02:41] dolphin works quite well from what I've heard [02:41] dolphin sounds pretty awesome [02:41] yeah it works well [02:41] can't run at full speed on my system though [02:41] ali1234: there's a few windows DC emulators that work well - but not for all games :( [02:41] hehe [02:42] it keeps improving though [02:42] I looked into DC emu's for linux... and so far I haven't gotten any of them to do anything but boot the BIOS [02:42] i got powerstone working, just, with slightly messed up graphics [02:43] and messed up sound [02:43] and bad framerate [02:43] but it was just about playable [02:43] :( [02:44] I never understood why the DC died so abruptly like that... I mean so much work into the emu's went well... until like early to mid 2000... and then just halted :/ [02:45] perhaps crow syndrome took over [02:45] "oh look, new shiny thing!" [02:45] i remember seeing that DC-on-a-PCI-card [02:48] daftykins: oh? [02:52] yeah, i'd have guessed it was for devs but i think it came years after [03:16] HazRPG: Are you any good at maths? [03:17] sammm: erm... use to be at school/college, why? [03:18] HazRPN <- calculator joke ;-) [03:18] HazRPG: Just wondering [03:18] nn all o/ [03:18] HazRPG: You're my friend :) [03:18] don't stay up too... much earlier 0o [03:18] daftykins: night dude \o [03:19] ball: ^_^ [05:51] itnet7: hi [06:55] morning everyone. [07:01] Morning. [07:01] Anyone already on 11.10 beta? I'm struggeling to find the font and colour settings to modify the theme [07:08] you can't? [07:11] well the buttons for modifying a theme are gone [07:12] You can only choose from a list of predefined settings but no change of the fonts or colours. I guess the settings are still there somewhere but now hidden from the user :( [07:20] * popey sighs at sammm last night [07:23] Perhaps somebody know what the actually app is called that normally takes care of changing theme fonts etc. That way I could directly launch that instead of relying on the new settings interface which doesn't give me the options I'm looking for. [07:25] i dont think such an app exists in the default install [07:25] it maybe you have to (for now) fiddle with xml files [07:26] mmh, [07:26] And I thought Unity was getting better ;) [07:26] + [07:28] "patches welcome" as they say [07:28] Well I'm on the user side so it's hard to provide a patch. [07:29] On the other hand, some one must have removed that funcionality on purpose without an alternative ... :( that way users get stuck in their workings [07:30] OK enough complains, I just hoped someone might know how to access the settings even in the new Unity [07:31] imexil: I suspect that is a gnome thing rather than a unity thing [07:32] Right. But that doesn't help me either ;) [07:32] imexil: the real answer is to switch to XFCE4 until either gnome or unity are usable [07:32] true enough [07:33] Well that was the option for 11.04 but I thought should no longer be necessary for 11.10 [07:33] ho ho ho [07:33] s/11.10/12.04/ [07:33] etc [07:34] So why do they "force" all users to Unitiy already in 11.10 again? :) [07:34] Nobody is forced. [07:34] every so often I try unity but I just can't work with it [07:34] indeed, hence the scare quotes [07:36] The thing is, I like dog fooding. So when I migrated my wife to Unity in 11.04 I also like to stay on that one even though I might be more comfortable with XFCE etc. This is purely for support reasons (she likes the interface). [07:36] my kids seem to cope with the interface just fine [07:37] But I also need to be able to do some customisations which I can no longer do in 11.10 [07:37] AlanBell: which one Unity of XFCE? [07:37] unity [07:37] imexil: you can do [07:37] imexil: you just do it in a different way [07:38] hence my original question... where can I find it now :) [07:38] AlanBell: right, but presumably they haven't been using Unix desktops for 20 years [07:39] imexil: well, you didnt actually tell us what setting you wanted to change [07:39] I need to change the background colour of text boxes since some qt apps don't work properly [07:39] isnt that a qt theme setting? [07:40] well in the past it was simply via "rightclick on desktop --> change background --> modify theme etc" [07:40] and that helped [07:41] that probably fiddles something in gconf / gsettings [07:41] I'm not saying that it is not the fault of the qt app but at least changing the background colour helped in the past [07:42] hey ikonia you know that thing that you said I 'liked' on facebook. i see you 'like' it. [07:42] marked as spam [07:43] And you think the tool to do this without knowing html colour codes is gone? [07:44] pass. i am not at an ubuntu machine so cant look [07:46] ok. Well I try to copy the colour code of "text_color" to "tooltip_fg_colo" (this is the actually setting I needed to change) and just hope I don't have to explain to a Windows/mac user what I had to do to get my tool tips back ;) [07:57] good morning [08:09] Good morning all [08:15] morning czajkowski o/ [08:15] Good morning czajkowski and other awake peeps [08:15] Morning all o/ [08:21] Off topic windows question, does anybody know if its possible to install IE8 alongside IE9 on windows 7 [08:23] DJones: add 'standalone' to your search terms [08:25] Thanks, looking now, from what else I've read though, IE9 seems to replace IE8 regardless [08:27] Pretty much, yes [08:28] *%$**&$£ system, browser based database/finance/etc system, only works in IE6/7/8 [08:29] * DJones looks for firefox & user agent switcher [08:30] Eugh [08:31] bigcalm: No need to be so polite about it, I'm not happy with it [08:32] Morning all! [08:33] has a question about IRL... [08:33] if you friends parent dies and you are sending a sympathy card to him and his remaining parent, how would you address it? [08:34] to fred + mrs bloggs? to fred? [08:34] i would send to fred [08:34] and mention we're thinking of him and his family [08:35] he also lives with his mum. don't know if that changes stuff [08:35] do you know her at all? [08:35] sounds sensible [08:35] not really [08:35] Send to Fred then [08:35] cheers guys [08:36] I hope his name is Fred [08:36] goig to the funeral aswell i think :-\ time to learn this etiquette thing [08:36] ugh [08:36] luckily I haven't been to a funeral for years [08:37] i've only ever been to 2 , one each for granparents [08:37] guess we all go to more as we get older [08:38] sorry for depressing everyone! [08:38] new subject [08:38] Kittens please [08:38] next best thing: [08:38] http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2011/10/04/rack-of-lamb-with-cashew-and-coriander-sauce/ [08:38] Something for web devs: http://placekitten.com/ [08:38] * popey has a migrane [08:39] a doggy that watches TV http://ubuntuone.com/4lPPF5NDswRaneNKEHtqZc [08:39] Mr Benn to be exact [08:39] * popey sings the mr benn theme to himself [08:39] Hope it clears soon popey - I have never had one myself but those I know who get them make it sound really nasty. [08:39] it was the pirate episode [08:40] is that an hp touchpad? [08:40] popey: yes [08:40] my son loves it [08:40] :D [08:40] its a great childrens entertainment device [08:41] Thought this was quite funny: http://news.techeye.net/mobile/apples-iphone-4s-a-lemon Apple fanboys need not read it. [08:42] haha, trolololo [08:42] "antenna which dropped a phone call when you touched it, [08:42] " [08:42] "you get locked into Steve Jobs' Walled Garden of Delights which is like being jailed for life in Disneyland in a Kafkaesque nightmare. [08:42] Read more: http://news.techeye.net/mobile/apples-iphone-4s-a-lemon#ixzz1ZtYCc78D" [08:42] only people who _dont_ have an iphone4 repeat that line over and over [08:43] i have one, my wife has one, about 5 people in my office have one, none of us suffer from dropped calls the way anti-apple people claim [08:43] phone calls? wow i remember those [08:44] (09:41:25) TheOpenSourcerer: ... Apple fanboys need not read it. [08:44] ;-) [08:44] * popey sighs [08:44] some swine nicked my choc milkshake from the office fridge :( [08:44] get tired of being called an apple fanboy [08:46] I cant believe people still care what phone others have [08:46] If it works and does what you want, its the ideal phone for you [08:46] my blackberry is not working http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI [08:47] has anyone else noticed a reduction in facebook traffic since their changes last fortnight ago? either less of my "friends" using it or i'm seeing less updates [08:48] I've noticed that I miss the vast majority of updates unless I pull people's pages up one by one. which is a bit of a pain, since my family use it for most their communications now :/ [08:48] My mother-in-law has the cheapest, simplest mobile phone going, big buttons, she makes & receives calls, sends & receives texts. Thats all she wants [08:48] shauno: since the changes? [08:48] oimon: yeah. since they decided it's up to them to decide what's news-worthy and what isn't [08:48] i thought i saw an option to subscribe to all of a person's updates, but you could only do that on a one-by-one basis [08:50] \o/ Jabber [08:50] Jabber \o/ [08:50] * MattJ is back from an IRC holiday [08:51] Did you go anywhere nice? [08:51] New York [08:51] icqland? [08:51] haha [08:51] Though I'm not convinced about the "nice", I'm glad to be back :P [08:51] icq [08:51] 11317622 [08:51] * MattJ adds popey [08:52] (I stopped using ICQ years ago) [08:52] tbh i'm surprised that irc still works ;) [08:52] 6968589 [08:52] oimon: I only see facebook updates via gwibber at home [08:52] 08001111 [08:54] Jabber \o/ [08:54] Jabber \o/ [08:55] Ouch - http://piana.eu/ [09:03] That page offends me. Now it has to go offline. [09:04] tl;dr [09:04] oimon: new (proposed?) italian law that demands that stuff gets taken down if it's offensive, even if it's true [09:05] i.e. censor ALL THE THINGS [09:05] you're offending me [09:05] * popey shuts down freenode [09:05] :'( [09:05] "offensive" is subjective [09:05] oimon: Exactly [09:05] * gord crosses fingers and hopes pulse will play nice after an upgrade [09:06] why is pulse still so crap :( [09:06] i wonder if the vatican comes under italian juridisction [09:07] no, it doesn't [09:07] mostly [09:07] isn't the sensible answer to simply not host it.wp in italy? [09:08] oimon: it has italian law forked as of 1929 [09:09] Before fiddling with young boys was illegal? [09:09] funnily enough, the age of consent in the Vatican is 12 [09:09] there's lots of bribes and stuff to pass around in the italian parliament before any law is made anyway [09:10] You are joking? AlanBell [09:10] "As a result, the age of consent is 14, the same as Italy's." [09:11] [wikipedia] [09:13] http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=768701 [09:13] * AlanBell blames Stephen Fry [09:13] seems that's relatively recent; as of 1st jan 2009 [09:50] morning all [09:52] Morning davmor2 [09:53] bigcalm: so we'll all met up in the coffee shop I think will be the easiest [09:54] bigcalm: in through the main door up into the main area and then it's on the right [09:55] davmor2: perfect [09:55] are you guys having a secret meeting without me? because that is mean [09:56]