| Cheesehead | shayonj: Hey | 00:41 |
|---|---|---|
| * Cheesehead sent out an invitation e-mail for a 8:00 PM hangout | 00:41 | |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, how is everything going. btw, do we have a meeting now ? | 00:41 |
| shayonj | oh right | 00:42 |
| shayonj | cool | 00:42 |
| Cheesehead | Meeting tomorrow night | 00:42 |
| shayonj | yep | 00:42 |
| Cheesehead | Pizza-and-beer tonight | 00:42 |
| * shayonj gears up | 00:42 | |
| * Cheesehead puts on loud music | 00:42 | |
| * shayonj will pretend he is 21+ | 00:42 | |
| * Cheesehead turns on the disco ball | 00:42 | |
| Cheesehead | shayonj: Thanks for the reminder about the wiki page meeting date | 00:43 |
| shayonj | anytime ;) | 00:43 |
| shayonj | be back at 8 | 00:44 |
| * Cheesehead changes the music to techno and starts dancing like a robot from the '80s | 00:46 | |
| * shayonj back with a old school pizza.. | 00:54 | |
| Cheesehead | anyone else joining us this evening? | 01:01 |
| Cheesehead | shayonj: What's your goal for the LoCo? | 01:02 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, well, this will technically be my first week so on a personal goal i'd take it slow. But i really would like the LoCo an its members to reach techie and non-techie person situated in WI as much as it can. I personally dont go by numbers and i think its just the beginning for ubunut. We still need a lot of end-users and developers | 01:05 |
| shayonj | LoCo and its members (including me) | 01:05 |
| shayonj | person=people * | 01:05 |
| Cheesehead | What do you, personally, want to get out of the LoCo experience...beyond virtual pizza? | 01:05 |
| shayonj | some fun, meeting people, leanr more about Ubuntu, even if its working or how it is changing peoples life and at the end learn how to Ubunut (have a good time ;) ) | 01:07 |
| shayonj | ubuntu * | 01:07 |
| * Cheesehead thinks you read the answers out of the back of the book | 01:07 | |
| Cheesehead | They're so well written... | 01:07 |
| shayonj | well i only have pizza infront of me and a java book | 01:08 |
| shayonj | :) | 01:08 |
| Cheesehead | Er, by the way WELCOME to the WI LoCo | 01:08 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, er, thank you :) | 01:08 |
| Cheesehead | We have fun | 01:08 |
| Cheesehead | We say silly things | 01:08 |
| Cheesehead | ...Java? | 01:08 |
| shayonj | everybody does..me a lot though | 01:08 |
| Cheesehead | shayonj: You'll fir right in here. | 01:09 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, yeah its my course book actually was studying a while back .. | 01:09 |
| Cheesehead | s/fir/fit | 01:09 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, ;) | 01:09 |
| Cheesehead | hello emeitner | 01:09 |
| emeitner | Hi all. | 01:09 |
| shayonj | hi emeitner | 01:09 |
| * Cheesehead steps out for a moment to tekk the kids to *go to sleep* | 01:10 | |
| emeitner | I'll introduce myself... | 01:10 |
| * shayonj looks into packaging for a while | 01:11 | |
| shayonj | emeitner, sure.. i am listening :) | 01:11 |
| emeitner | I am the systems administrator for a natural foods cooperative in Madison. | 01:11 |
| Cheesehead | emeitner: Welcome aboard the great LoCo adventure | 01:12 |
| shayonj | emeitner, and i am a student studying in UWGB. | 01:12 |
| Cheesehead | I'm Cheesehead, and I'm an alcoholic. | 01:12 |
| Cheesehead | No, wait... | 01:12 |
| Cheesehead | I'm not an alcoholic. | 01:12 |
| Cheesehead | What am I? | 01:12 |
| emeitner | We have around 65 Ubuntu 10.04 desktops in the organization. We use Debian servers on the back-end. LDAP/NFS setup so people can log in to any machine and get their stuff. | 01:12 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, alcoholic .. | 01:13 |
| Cheesehead | Perhaps amnesiac | 01:13 |
| Cheesehead | emeitner: Sounds like you really know your way around the systems1 | 01:13 |
| Cheesehead | ! | 01:13 |
| * Cheesehead offers emeitner some virtual pizza | 01:13 | |
| shayonj | that cool emeitner | 01:14 |
| shayonj | even i am trying to get some linux (ubuntu) servers installed on our campus | 01:14 |
| shayonj | so far we got a one ubuuntu amongst the 10 pc and windows | 01:14 |
| shayonj | not bad i guess :) | 01:14 |
| Cheesehead | emeitner: So if you could make one change to Ubuntu, what would it be? | 01:16 |
| Cheesehead | shayonj: Same question | 01:16 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, you know thats a pretty vast question.. but still let me think | 01:17 |
| emeitner | 1 Change = stop putting so much time into bling and shiny stuff and focus on stability and the "enterprise". | 01:17 |
| Cheesehead | emeitner: You mean the server end? | 01:18 |
| shayonj | i wouldnt say so.. an org should attract all kind of users .. but at the same time balancing out stuff is important | 01:18 |
| emeitner | Not that a natural foods Co-op is an enterprise... | 01:18 |
| emeitner | No. Desktops. | 01:18 |
| emeitner | Again, I use Debian servers because thats what I cut my teeth on. | 01:19 |
| Cheesehead | emeitner: Could you amplify what you mean by 'enterprise'? I've seen the term used pretty loosely to mean a lot of things. So I'm curious... | 01:19 |
| Cheesehead | (and a natural foods co-op is bigger than my mom & pop business, with one Mac and one PC) | 01:20 |
| emeitner | Enterprise=B.S. Term to make people sound like they know what they are talking about. :) | 01:22 |
| * Cheesehead laughs | 01:22 | |
| * Cheesehead takes another slice of virtual pizza | 01:22 | |
| Cheesehead | Is the LTS concept living up to it's promise? | 01:23 |
| emeitner | Enterprise could also pertain so larger deployments of machines where standardization of the desktop machine, and the user experience is the norm. Also where there is a solid server infrastructure underpinning it. Hows that? My best guess. | 01:23 |
| Cheesehead | shayonj: Great point about balancing | 01:25 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, thanks | 01:25 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, does our LoCo do any kind of initiatives or programs accross the state ? and do we good or adequate amount of funding for that ? | 01:25 |
| shayonj | do we get good * | 01:25 |
| Cheesehead | Well, there was a workshop in Rhinelander yesterday. | 01:25 |
| shayonj | right | 01:25 |
| Cheesehead | No funding. | 01:25 |
| shayonj | i see | 01:25 |
| emeitner | LTS? Yes. I find that some people triaging bugs do not always remember that LTS does not automatically get thrown the to ditch when the "next big thing" comes along. I am satisfied and will continue to stay with LTS releases. | 01:26 |
| Cheesehead | I'm thinking of jumping off the 6-month release upgrade wagon when 12.04 rolls out. | 01:26 |
| Cheesehead | Try newer stuff in a VM, perhaps. | 01:27 |
| Cheesehead | But 6-month releases used to have huge improvements in X or printing (stuff I cared about), and all that is now done. | 01:27 |
| Cheesehead | The last few have been fun changes, but more change than real improvement in the stuff I use. | 01:28 |
| shayonj | i knew about that. but then never thought into too deep during that time.. | 01:28 |
| shayonj | right | 01:28 |
| Cheesehead | Funding might be possible someday, but nobody has stepped forward to create the infrastructure (like 503(c) cert and bank account, etc) | 01:30 |
| Cheesehead | What's the point donating to a non-tax-exempt organization? | 01:30 |
| Cheesehead | We also haven't identified what to spend funds on. | 01:31 |
| shayonj | i see, well thats why i was saying if we got some initiatives like Ubuntu-Wisconsin-Culture type thing, we could probably have that | 01:32 |
| Cheesehead | Myself, I want to have fun with theis LoCo, and perhaps help people. | 01:32 |
| Cheesehead | Ubuntu-Wisconsin-Culture initiative? | 01:32 |
| * Cheesehead takes another slice of virtual pizza | 01:33 | |
| shayonj | hah | 01:33 |
| shayonj | well just said.. idk, we can probably have like a day where people gather and meet other ubuntu fans f2f and do some stuff | 01:34 |
| shayonj | well thats a lot to think about now i guess.. but having something like that someday will be pretty cool | 01:34 |
| shayonj | like meeting on a thanksgiving | 01:34 |
| shayonj | and celebrating Ubuntu-Wisconsin-thanksgiving | 01:34 |
| shayonj | hah, i am just saying.. :) | 01:34 |
| Cheesehead | We're on the way - we do Ubuntu Hours in both Milwaukee and Madison Monthly. | 01:34 |
| shayonj | oh i see. nice | 01:35 |
| Cheesehead | I'm trying to convince somebody to start one in the Appleton/GB/Rhinelander area | 01:35 |
| * shayonj is from GB | 01:35 | |
| Cheesehead | I'm als trying to start couple-times-a-week IRC hangout | 01:35 |
| shayonj | what you planning for | 01:35 |
| shayonj | i meant i live in GB | 01:35 |
| Cheesehead | I'm in MKE, so I'll let you up-north people figure it out. | 01:36 |
| Cheesehead | I can tell you that there are a bunch of you. | 01:36 |
| shayonj | cool | 01:36 |
| Cheesehead | I don't know about Thanksgiving. My family would be quite miffed if I skipped out on them for a while. | 01:37 |
| Cheesehead | One advantag to Ubuntu Hours is that they are short and public and primarily social | 01:37 |
| Cheesehead | So you can bring a friend or a spouse, and they can bring a book for just an hour | 01:37 |
| Cheesehead | There is some interest in bug work, and I'm trying to kindle that into a working group | 01:38 |
| shayonj | yeah, thanksgiving was just a bad example i guess | 01:38 |
| Cheesehead | Since I always enjoy working bugs much more when not alone | 01:38 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, bug work ? | 01:38 |
| Cheesehead | Triage or patching | 01:39 |
| * shayonj currently working on [needs-packaging] bug | 01:39 | |
| shayonj | i see | 01:39 |
| Cheesehead | packaging, too. | 01:39 |
| Cheesehead | What are you packaging now? | 01:39 |
| shayonj | tornado | 01:40 |
| shayonj | its a new request | 01:40 |
| Cheesehead | bug number? | 01:40 |
| shayonj | its 'python' | 01:40 |
| shayonj | wait a sec i lost it | 01:40 |
| shayonj | hah | 01:40 |
| shayonj | bug 606231 | 01:41 |
| lubotu1` | Launchpad bug 606231 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Tornado" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606231 | 01:41 |
| Cheesehead | I love it when the bot is listening... | 01:42 |
| shayonj | yeah | 01:42 |
| shayonj | at first i just pasted the number but then typed bug again.. :) | 01:42 |
| * shayonj offers some old school sausage and pepperoni pizza | 01:43 | |
| Cheesehead | So you package it, and send it to REVU? | 01:43 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, yep.. i hopefully will be applying for an ITP too, lets see | 01:44 |
| shayonj | its a cdbs package | 01:44 |
| * Cheesehead takes the slice before emeitner can grab it | 01:44 | |
| shayonj | hah | 01:44 |
| shayonj | and atm i am having a nice time with the debian\rules :P | 01:44 |
| emeitner | shayonj: Enjoy... | 01:45 |
| shayonj | emeitner, hah yeah | 01:45 |
| * Cheesehead offers to refill emeitner's beer as a consolation for taking the slice | 01:45 | |
| shayonj | btw, i was being sarcastic | 01:46 |
| * emeitner offers mug | 01:46 | |
| * Cheesehead pours | 01:47 | |
| * emeitner drinks :) | 01:47 | |
| Cheesehead | Any particular fun with the debian rules? | 01:47 |
| shayonj | umm its the python | 01:48 |
| shayonj | this is my first time with python | 01:48 |
| shayonj | and | 01:48 |
| shayonj | it build perfectly fine | 01:48 |
| shayonj | but i know that its not building it fine, because i cant find the package after it installed | 01:49 |
| shayonj | .deb package | 01:49 |
| emeitner | it may be building but not installing it into the right place where the packaging tool expects things to be. | 01:50 |
| shayonj | i cant find where it needs to be installed | 01:51 |
| * Cheesehead is looking at the wiki | 01:53 | |
| shayonj | tornado wiki ? | 01:53 |
| shayonj | or ubuntu wiki ? | 01:53 |
| Cheesehead | Tornado | 01:53 |
| emeitner | http://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging | 01:53 |
| emeitner | That may help. I have not packaged any Python apps yet so I am not sure. | 01:54 |
| shayonj | emeitner, i am currently on that page :) | 01:55 |
| shayonj | Cheesehead, ok | 01:55 |
| emeitner | The key part is where is shows: python setup.py install --root=debian/python-foo | 01:56 |
| emeitner | that is where one sets where debian/rules tells the installer where to install. | 01:56 |
| shayonj | well i do havethat | 01:56 |
| shayonj | but not sure of thing.. | 01:56 |
| shayonj | okay wait, what is foo here --root=debian/python-foo ? version | 01:57 |
| shayonj | ? | 01:57 |
| shayonj | my rules | 01:59 |
| shayonj | file | 01:59 |
| shayonj | python setup.py build python setup.py install --root=debian/python-foo --install-layout=deb --install-lib=/usr/share/python-foo --install-scripts=/usr/share/python-foo | 01:59 |
| shayonj | and the overrides | 01:59 |
| emeitner | debian/python-foo is the path to where the installer will install it. replace "python-foo" with your package anme | 01:59 |
| shayonj | yep gotcha | 01:59 |
| Cheesehead | Should foo = packagename? | 01:59 |
| shayonj | yep | 01:59 |
| * Cheesehead sees on the scrollback he was a few seconds late | 01:59 | |
| Cheesehead | Curses, foiled again... | 02:00 |
| Cheesehead | Well, my hour is up. So back to work for me... | 02:00 |
| Cheesehead | Thanks for a great hour, fellows. | 02:01 |
| Cheesehead | See you again soon | 02:01 |
| Cheesehead | ! | 02:01 |
| * Cheesehead goes out to clean the kitchen | 02:01 | |
| shayonj | have a nice one guys | 02:01 |
| emeitner | Goodnight | 02:01 |
| shayonj | emeitner, any other possible suggestions / | 02:02 |
| shayonj | ? | 02:02 |
| emeitner | No. I'd have to see what you got in the debian/ folder. | 02:03 |
| shayonj | hopefully everything is normal..is there any specific one i should look into or you would like to knwo /.? | 02:04 |
| emeitner | How did you create the debian/ folder? By hand or with a "debianizing" tool? | 02:04 |
| shayonj | yep | 02:04 |
| shayonj | dh-make | 02:04 |
| shayonj | dh_make | 02:04 |
| emeitner | What is the command you are using to build the package? | 02:06 |
| shayonj | debuild | 02:06 |
| shayonj | and then pbuilder on *.dsc | 02:06 |
| shayonj | trying pdebuild now | 02:07 |
| shayonj | didnt work | 02:09 |
| emeitner | shayonj: sorry I couldn't be any help. I've gotta go. | 02:12 |
| shayonj | emeitner, no problem.good night | 02:12 |
| * emeitner wipes beer from chin and departs | 02:12 | |
| bigbash | did I miss the virtual pizza and beer? | 02:56 |
| * shayonj got some leftovers :) | 02:57 | |
| bigbash | nice! | 02:57 |
| * shayonj passes some to bigbash | 02:58 | |
| shayonj | sorry bigbash i cant drink so passed some green tea ;) | 02:58 |
| bigbash | no problem, too late for me to be drinking | 02:59 |
| shayonj | :) | 03:00 |
| bigbash | Cheesehead, just an FYI. I won't be able to make the meeting tomorrow night :( bar league VB game got pushed back | 03:00 |
| bigbash | shayonj you said you are learning java? | 03:05 |
| shayonj | bigbash, yep..taking course this semester | 03:05 |
| bigbash | nice, know any good books for learning? | 03:06 |
| shayonj | bigbash, this is a good one - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0321200063/martyhallsrecomm/ | 03:08 |
| shayonj | and java concepts 6th edition by cay horstman | 03:08 |
| bigbash | I'll have to look at that | 03:09 |
| bigbash | i've been meaning to learn Java | 03:09 |
| shayonj | sure | 03:09 |
| shayonj | i see. I am also still learning so cant recommend more. I can ask my professor.. will let you know soon. he mentioned a really good book once in the class. but i forgot | 03:10 |
| bigbash | that'd be cool | 03:14 |
| shayonj | will tell you on thursday. that is when my next class is | 03:15 |
| bigbash | ok, I use ZNC so I always show i'm on here but I connect very often. I usually have IRC up at work | 03:17 |
| bigbash | Well I'm headed to bed, work in the morning. night all | 03:21 |
| === bigbash is now known as zz_bigbash | ||
| shayonj | zz_bigbash, sounds good | 03:26 |
| h00k | oh, I have some scrollback to read | 13:45 |
| h00k | we have more packagers | 13:47 |
| h00k | ripps: are you around anymore? | 13:47 |
| === zz_bigbash is now known as bigbash | ||
| * Cheesehead checks in | 18:05 | |
| Cheesehead | REMINDER: MEETING TONIGHT 8:00 CDT | 18:06 |
| Cheesehead | You all remember what happened last time you didn't show up. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN | 18:06 |
| Cheesehead | (For those who don;t recall, see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/28/%23ubuntu-us-wi.html#t00:03 ) | 18:07 |
| h00k | Precise Pangolin | 19:34 |
| Cheesehead | So...sort of an Accurate Anteater? | 20:43 |
| h00k | basically. | 20:56 |
| h00k | Cheesehead: ^ | 20:56 |
| Cheesehead | Well, an Accurate African/Asian Anteater | 21:12 |
| Cheesehead | (Need starts-with-A synonyms for 'nocturnal' and 'scaly') | 21:12 |
| * Cheesehead opened his e-mail and foud a meeting reminder for 8:00 CDT tonight | 21:13 | |
| Cheesehead | ♫ | 21:22 |
| * Cheesehead is surprised that worked... | 21:22 | |
| Cheesehead | Anyone use fwknop to protect internet-facing servers? I might give it a try... | 23:58 |
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