[00:41] <Cheesehead> shayonj: Hey
[00:41]  * Cheesehead sent out an invitation e-mail for a 8:00 PM hangout
[00:41] <shayonj> Cheesehead, how is everything going. btw, do we have a meeting now ?
[00:42] <shayonj> oh right
[00:42] <shayonj> cool
[00:42] <Cheesehead> Meeting tomorrow night
[00:42] <shayonj> yep
[00:42] <Cheesehead> Pizza-and-beer tonight
[00:42]  * shayonj gears up
[00:42]  * Cheesehead puts on loud music
[00:42]  * shayonj will pretend he is 21+
[00:42]  * Cheesehead turns on the disco ball
[00:43] <Cheesehead> shayonj: Thanks for the reminder about the wiki page meeting date
[00:43] <shayonj> anytime ;)
[00:44] <shayonj> be back at 8
[00:46]  * Cheesehead changes the music to techno and starts dancing like a robot from the '80s
[00:54]  * shayonj back with a old school pizza..
[01:01] <Cheesehead> anyone else joining us this evening?
[01:02] <Cheesehead> shayonj: What's your goal for the LoCo?
[01:05] <shayonj> Cheesehead, well, this will technically be my first week so on a personal goal i'd take it slow. But i really would like the LoCo an its members to reach  techie and non-techie person situated in WI as much as it can. I personally dont go by numbers and i think its just the beginning for ubunut. We still need a lot of end-users and developers
[01:05] <shayonj> LoCo and its members (including me)
[01:05] <shayonj> person=people *
[01:05] <Cheesehead> What do you, personally, want to get out of the LoCo experience...beyond virtual pizza?
[01:07] <shayonj> some fun, meeting people, leanr more about Ubuntu, even if its working or how it is changing peoples life and at the end learn how to Ubunut (have a good time ;) )
[01:07] <shayonj> ubuntu *
[01:07]  * Cheesehead thinks you read the answers out of the back of the book
[01:07] <Cheesehead> They're so well written...
[01:08] <shayonj> well i only have pizza infront of me and a java book
[01:08] <shayonj> :)
[01:08] <Cheesehead> Er, by the way WELCOME to the WI LoCo
[01:08] <shayonj> Cheesehead, er, thank you :)
[01:08] <Cheesehead> We have fun
[01:08] <Cheesehead> We say silly things
[01:08] <Cheesehead> ...Java?
[01:08] <shayonj> everybody does..me a lot though
[01:09] <Cheesehead> shayonj: You'll fir right in here.
[01:09] <shayonj> Cheesehead, yeah its my course book actually was studying a while back ..
[01:09] <Cheesehead> s/fir/fit
[01:09] <shayonj> Cheesehead, ;)
[01:09] <Cheesehead> hello emeitner
[01:09] <emeitner> Hi all.
[01:09] <shayonj> hi emeitner
[01:10]  * Cheesehead steps out for a moment to tekk the kids to *go to sleep*
[01:10] <emeitner> I'll introduce myself...
[01:11]  * shayonj looks into packaging for a while
[01:11] <shayonj> emeitner, sure.. i am listening :)
[01:11] <emeitner> I am the systems administrator for a natural foods cooperative in Madison.
[01:12] <Cheesehead> emeitner: Welcome aboard the great LoCo adventure
[01:12] <shayonj> emeitner, and i am a student studying in UWGB.
[01:12] <Cheesehead> I'm Cheesehead, and I'm an alcoholic.
[01:12] <Cheesehead> No, wait...
[01:12] <Cheesehead> I'm not an alcoholic.
[01:12] <Cheesehead> What am I?
[01:12] <emeitner> We have around 65 Ubuntu 10.04 desktops in the organization. We use Debian servers on the back-end. LDAP/NFS setup so people can log in to any machine and get their stuff.
[01:13] <shayonj> Cheesehead, alcoholic ..
[01:13] <Cheesehead> Perhaps amnesiac
[01:13] <Cheesehead> emeitner: Sounds like you really know your way around the systems1
[01:13] <Cheesehead> !
[01:13]  * Cheesehead offers emeitner some virtual pizza
[01:14] <shayonj> that cool emeitner
[01:14] <shayonj> even i am trying to get some linux (ubuntu) servers installed on our campus
[01:14] <shayonj> so far we got a one ubuuntu amongst the 10 pc and windows
[01:14] <shayonj> not bad i guess :)
[01:16] <Cheesehead> emeitner: So if you could make one change to Ubuntu, what would it be?
[01:16] <Cheesehead> shayonj: Same question
[01:17] <shayonj> Cheesehead, you know thats a pretty vast question.. but still let me think
[01:17] <emeitner> 1 Change = stop putting so much time into bling and shiny stuff and focus on stability and the "enterprise".
[01:18] <Cheesehead> emeitner: You mean the server end?
[01:18] <shayonj> i wouldnt say so.. an org should attract all kind of users .. but at the same time balancing out stuff is important
[01:18] <emeitner> Not that a natural foods Co-op is an enterprise...
[01:18] <emeitner> No. Desktops.
[01:19] <emeitner> Again, I use Debian servers because thats what I cut my teeth on.
[01:19] <Cheesehead> emeitner: Could you amplify what you mean by 'enterprise'? I've seen the term used pretty loosely to mean a lot of things. So I'm curious...
[01:20] <Cheesehead> (and a natural foods co-op is bigger than my mom & pop business, with one Mac and one PC)
[01:22] <emeitner> Enterprise=B.S. Term to make people sound like they know what they are talking about. :)
[01:22]  * Cheesehead laughs
[01:22]  * Cheesehead takes another slice of virtual pizza
[01:23] <Cheesehead> Is the LTS concept living up to it's promise?
[01:23] <emeitner> Enterprise could also pertain so larger deployments of machines where standardization of the desktop machine, and the user experience is the norm. Also where there is a solid server infrastructure underpinning it. Hows that? My best guess.
[01:25] <Cheesehead> shayonj: Great point about balancing
[01:25] <shayonj> Cheesehead, thanks
[01:25] <shayonj> Cheesehead, does our LoCo do any kind of initiatives or programs accross the state ? and do we good or adequate amount of funding for that ?
[01:25] <shayonj> do we get good *
[01:25] <Cheesehead> Well, there was a workshop in Rhinelander yesterday.
[01:25] <shayonj> right
[01:25] <Cheesehead> No funding.
[01:25] <shayonj> i see
[01:26] <emeitner> LTS? Yes. I find that some people triaging bugs do not always remember that LTS does not automatically get thrown the to ditch when the "next big thing" comes along.  I am satisfied and will continue to stay with LTS releases.
[01:26] <Cheesehead> I'm thinking of jumping off the 6-month release upgrade wagon when 12.04 rolls out.
[01:27] <Cheesehead> Try newer stuff in a VM, perhaps.
[01:27] <Cheesehead> But 6-month releases used to have huge improvements in X or printing (stuff I cared about), and all that is now done.
[01:28] <Cheesehead> The last few have been fun changes, but more change than real improvement in the stuff I use.
[01:28] <shayonj> i knew about that. but then never thought into too deep during that time..
[01:28] <shayonj> right
[01:30] <Cheesehead> Funding might be possible someday, but nobody has stepped forward to create the infrastructure (like 503(c) cert and bank account, etc)
[01:30] <Cheesehead> What's the point donating to a non-tax-exempt organization?
[01:31] <Cheesehead> We also haven't identified what to spend funds on.
[01:32] <shayonj> i see, well thats why i was saying if we got some initiatives like Ubuntu-Wisconsin-Culture type thing, we could probably have that
[01:32] <Cheesehead> Myself, I want to have fun with theis LoCo, and perhaps help people.
[01:32] <Cheesehead> Ubuntu-Wisconsin-Culture initiative?
[01:33]  * Cheesehead takes another slice of virtual pizza
[01:33] <shayonj> hah
[01:34] <shayonj> well just said.. idk, we can probably have like a day where people gather and meet other ubuntu fans f2f and do some stuff
[01:34] <shayonj> well thats a lot to think about now i guess.. but having something like that someday will be pretty cool
[01:34] <shayonj> like meeting on a thanksgiving
[01:34] <shayonj> and celebrating Ubuntu-Wisconsin-thanksgiving
[01:34] <shayonj> hah, i am just saying.. :)
[01:34] <Cheesehead> We're on the way - we do Ubuntu Hours in both Milwaukee and Madison Monthly.
[01:35] <shayonj> oh i see. nice
[01:35] <Cheesehead> I'm trying to convince somebody to start one in the Appleton/GB/Rhinelander area
[01:35]  * shayonj is from GB
[01:35] <Cheesehead> I'm als trying to start couple-times-a-week IRC hangout
[01:35] <shayonj> what you planning for
[01:35] <shayonj> i meant i live in GB
[01:36] <Cheesehead> I'm in MKE, so I'll let you up-north people figure it out.
[01:36] <Cheesehead> I can tell you that there are a bunch of you.
[01:36] <shayonj> cool
[01:37] <Cheesehead> I don't know about Thanksgiving. My family would be quite miffed if I skipped out on them for a while.
[01:37] <Cheesehead> One advantag to Ubuntu Hours is that they are short and public and primarily social
[01:37] <Cheesehead> So you can bring a friend or a spouse, and they can bring a book for just an hour
[01:38] <Cheesehead> There is some interest in bug work, and I'm trying to kindle that into a working group
[01:38] <shayonj> yeah, thanksgiving was just a bad example i guess
[01:38] <Cheesehead> Since I always enjoy working bugs much more when not alone
[01:38] <shayonj> Cheesehead, bug work ?
[01:39] <Cheesehead> Triage or patching
[01:39]  * shayonj currently working on [needs-packaging] bug
[01:39] <shayonj> i see
[01:39] <Cheesehead> packaging, too.
[01:39] <Cheesehead> What are you packaging now?
[01:40] <shayonj> tornado
[01:40] <shayonj> its a new request
[01:40] <Cheesehead> bug number?
[01:40] <shayonj> its 'python'
[01:40] <shayonj> wait a sec i lost it
[01:40] <shayonj> hah
[01:41] <shayonj> bug 606231
[01:41] <lubotu1`> Launchpad bug 606231 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Tornado" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606231
[01:42] <Cheesehead> I love it when the bot is listening...
[01:42] <shayonj> yeah
[01:42] <shayonj> at first i just pasted the number but then typed bug again.. :)
[01:43]  * shayonj offers some old school sausage and pepperoni pizza 
[01:43] <Cheesehead> So you package it, and send it to REVU?
[01:44] <shayonj> Cheesehead, yep.. i hopefully will be applying for an ITP too, lets see
[01:44] <shayonj> its a cdbs package
[01:44]  * Cheesehead takes the slice before emeitner can grab it
[01:44] <shayonj> hah
[01:44] <shayonj> and atm i am having a nice time with the debian\rules :P
[01:45] <emeitner> shayonj:  Enjoy...
[01:45] <shayonj> emeitner, hah yeah
[01:45]  * Cheesehead offers to refill emeitner's beer as a consolation for taking the slice
[01:46] <shayonj> btw, i was being sarcastic
[01:46]  * emeitner offers mug
[01:47]  * Cheesehead pours
[01:47]  * emeitner drinks :)
[01:47] <Cheesehead> Any particular fun with the debian rules?
[01:48] <shayonj> umm its the python
[01:48] <shayonj> this is my first time with python
[01:48] <shayonj> and
[01:48] <shayonj> it build perfectly fine
[01:49] <shayonj> but i know that its not building it fine, because i cant find the package after it installed
[01:49] <shayonj> .deb package
[01:50] <emeitner> it may be building but not installing it into the right place where the packaging tool expects things to be.
[01:51] <shayonj> i cant find where it needs to be installed
[01:53]  * Cheesehead is looking at the wiki
[01:53] <shayonj> tornado wiki ?
[01:53] <shayonj> or ubuntu wiki ?
[01:53] <Cheesehead> Tornado
[01:53] <emeitner> http://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging
[01:54] <emeitner> That may help. I have not packaged any Python apps yet so I am not sure.
[01:55] <shayonj> emeitner, i am currently on that page :)
[01:55] <shayonj> Cheesehead, ok
[01:56] <emeitner> The key part is where is shows: python setup.py install --root=debian/python-foo
[01:56] <emeitner> that is where one sets where debian/rules tells the installer where to install.
[01:56] <shayonj> well i do havethat
[01:56] <shayonj> but not sure of thing..
[01:57] <shayonj> okay wait, what is foo here  --root=debian/python-foo ? version
[01:57] <shayonj> ?
[01:59] <shayonj> my rules
[01:59] <shayonj> file
[01:59] <shayonj> python setup.py build python setup.py install --root=debian/python-foo --install-layout=deb --install-lib=/usr/share/python-foo --install-scripts=/usr/share/python-foo
[01:59] <shayonj> and the overrides
[01:59] <emeitner> debian/python-foo is the path to where the installer will install it. replace "python-foo" with your package anme
[01:59] <shayonj> yep gotcha
[01:59] <Cheesehead> Should foo = packagename?
[01:59] <shayonj> yep
[01:59]  * Cheesehead sees on the scrollback he was a few seconds late
[02:00] <Cheesehead> Curses, foiled again...
[02:00] <Cheesehead> Well, my hour is up. So back to work for me...
[02:01] <Cheesehead> Thanks for a great hour, fellows.
[02:01] <Cheesehead> See you again soon
[02:01] <Cheesehead> !
[02:01]  * Cheesehead goes out to clean the kitchen
[02:01] <shayonj> have a nice one guys
[02:01] <emeitner> Goodnight
[02:02] <shayonj> emeitner, any other possible suggestions /
[02:02] <shayonj> ?
[02:03] <emeitner> No. I'd have to see what you got in the debian/ folder.
[02:04] <shayonj> hopefully everything is normal..is there any specific one i should look into or you would like to knwo /.?
[02:04] <emeitner> How did you create the debian/ folder? By hand or with a "debianizing" tool?
[02:04] <shayonj> yep
[02:04] <shayonj> dh-make
[02:04] <shayonj> dh_make
[02:06] <emeitner> What is the command you are using to build the package?
[02:06] <shayonj> debuild
[02:06] <shayonj> and then pbuilder on *.dsc
[02:07] <shayonj> trying pdebuild now
[02:09] <shayonj> didnt work
[02:12] <emeitner> shayonj: sorry I couldn't be any help. I've gotta go.
[02:12] <shayonj> emeitner, no problem.good night
[02:12]  * emeitner wipes beer from chin and departs
[02:56] <bigbash> did I miss the virtual pizza and beer?
[02:57]  * shayonj got some leftovers :)
[02:57] <bigbash> nice!
[02:58]  * shayonj passes some to bigbash 
[02:58] <shayonj> sorry bigbash i cant drink so passed some green tea ;)
[02:59] <bigbash> no problem, too late for me to be drinking
[03:00] <shayonj> :)
[03:00] <bigbash> Cheesehead, just an FYI.  I won't be able to make the meeting tomorrow night :( bar league VB game got pushed back
[03:05] <bigbash> shayonj you said you are learning java?
[03:05] <shayonj> bigbash, yep..taking course this semester
[03:06] <bigbash> nice, know any good books for learning?
[03:08] <shayonj> bigbash, this is a good one - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0321200063/martyhallsrecomm/
[03:08] <shayonj> and java concepts 6th edition by cay horstman
[03:09] <bigbash> I'll have to look at that
[03:09] <bigbash> i've been meaning to learn Java
[03:09] <shayonj> sure
[03:10] <shayonj> i see. I am also still learning so cant recommend more. I can ask my professor.. will let you know soon. he mentioned a really good book once in the class. but i forgot
[03:14] <bigbash> that'd be cool
[03:15] <shayonj> will tell you on thursday. that is when my next class is
[03:17] <bigbash> ok, I use ZNC so I always show i'm on here but I connect very often.  I usually have IRC up at work
[03:21] <bigbash> Well I'm headed to bed, work in the morning. night all
[03:26] <shayonj> zz_bigbash, sounds good
[13:45] <h00k> oh, I have some scrollback to read
[13:47] <h00k> we have more packagers
[13:47] <h00k> ripps: are you around anymore?
[18:05]  * Cheesehead checks in
[18:06] <Cheesehead> REMINDER: MEETING TONIGHT 8:00 CDT
[18:06] <Cheesehead> You all remember what happened last time you didn't show up. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN
[18:07] <Cheesehead> (For those who don;t recall, see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/28/%23ubuntu-us-wi.html#t00:03 )
[19:34] <h00k> Precise Pangolin
[20:43] <Cheesehead> So...sort of an Accurate Anteater?
[20:56] <h00k> basically.
[20:56] <h00k> Cheesehead: ^
[21:12] <Cheesehead> Well, an Accurate African/Asian Anteater
[21:12] <Cheesehead> (Need starts-with-A synonyms for 'nocturnal' and 'scaly')
[21:13]  * Cheesehead opened his e-mail and foud a meeting reminder for 8:00 CDT tonight
[21:22] <Cheesehead> ♫
[21:22]  * Cheesehead is surprised that worked...
[23:58] <Cheesehead> Anyone use fwknop to protect internet-facing servers? I might give it a try...