[12:32] <seb128> hey guys
[12:33] <seb128> what infos would be useful for a bug about a touchpad that stops working in the middle for an xorg session?
[12:33] <seb128> " if i use the hotkey, when enabling it, I see:
[12:33] <seb128>  [  4485.492] (II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: failed to open grail, no gesture support
[12:33] <seb128>  [  4485.492] (--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
[12:33] <seb128>  but the touchpad isn't driving the pointer"
[12:33] <seb128> "xinput --list-props "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" says
[12:34] <seb128> Device Enabled (132): 1
[12:36] <jcristau> output of evtest, xev, check that nothing has a grab on it.
[12:38] <seb128> jcristau, thanks
[12:38] <seb128> (it's not me having the issue but asking for those infos to be added to the bug)
[12:43] <jcristau> though a grab would probably not stop the pointer from moving
[13:18] <scoundrel50a> hi, I have a new laptop, that i have 11.10 installed on, but for the past week, since one of the upgrades, I havent been able to get it to load. It loads the background, and not the gui......can anybody help please?
[13:19] <scoundrel50a> Once the background has loaded, I can get a terminal, but clicking on Ctrl+Alt+F1 and have been updating every day using that.....
[13:20] <scoundrel50a> upgrades should read updates
[13:27] <scoundrel50a> is there anybody able to help? 
[13:54] <scoundrel50a> hello?
[13:59] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a: does lightdm start from the terminal (sudo start lightdm)
[14:55] <seb128> bug #868400
[14:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868400 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Synaptics touchpad stops working (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868400
[14:56] <seb128> bryceh, tjaalton, RAOF: ^ could you look at that issue?
[14:56] <seb128> the sabdfl get it on different thinkpads and it seems quite often
[15:07] <tjaalton> seb128: I'm off for a few hours, will have a look after if no-one else beats me to it..
[15:07] <seb128> tjaalton, no hurry, thanks
[16:22] <scoundrel50a> tjaalton: sorry had to go out, are you still there?
[16:23] <tjaalton> scoundrel50a: on and off
[16:26] <scoundrel50a> ok, just entered that command, and something happened, what is supposed to happen
[16:26] <tjaalton> lightdm to start
[16:27] <scoundrel50a> oh, not sure what lightdm is, but its stopped at startiong cups 
[16:28] <tjaalton> you have all the updates in?
[16:28] <scoundrel50a> I update everyday using this
[16:28] <scoundrel50a> it seems to have stuck
[16:29] <tjaalton> "using this"?
[16:29] <scoundrel50a> yes
[16:29] <scoundrel50a> no display has come up
[16:30] <scoundrel50a> sorry using Ctrl+Alt+F1 for updates
[16:30] <tjaalton> so there's no x behind f7?
[16:30] <scoundrel50a> I dont know what that means
[16:31] <tjaalton> vt7, alt-f7
[16:31] <scoundrel50a> when I start Ubuntu, it shows the background, but nothing else loads, I will reload, and see what happens, give me a sec
[16:33] <scoundrel50a> rebooted, and clicked Alt+F7 but nothing happened
[16:34] <tjaalton> what gfx hardware does it have?
[16:34] <scoundrel50a> its a lenovo 550 laptop
[16:35] <tjaalton> so.. intel?
[16:35] <scoundrel50a> yes
[16:36] <scoundrel50a> rebooting again to get the information from the other partition
[16:36] <tjaalton> you said it worked for a while?
[16:37] <scoundrel50a> yeh, it did up till about a week ago, and there was a big update, and it stopped working
[16:37] <scoundrel50a> ok, got the graphics card info
[16:37] <tjaalton> lspci would've been enough
[16:38] <tjaalton> install pastebinit, then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[16:38] <scoundrel50a> its a Pentium (R) Dual Core CPUwith Mobile Intel GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2
[16:38] <scoundrel50a> how would I send it to use, just using the terminal
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> because I am using a different laptop to talk to you
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> I can get in using Ubuntu 2d
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> would that work?
[16:39] <tjaalton> uh
[16:39] <tjaalton> so, in other words X is running just fine
[16:39] <scoundrel50a> Ubuntu doesnt work, but 2D does
[16:40] <tjaalton> you're on the wrong channel then
[16:40] <scoundrel50a> no
[16:40] <tjaalton> yes
[16:40] <scoundrel50a> I am talking abotu 11.10
[16:40] <tjaalton> this is about X
[16:40] <tjaalton> try #ubuntu+1
[16:40] <tjaalton> your personal unity session is somehow broken
[16:40] <tjaalton> nothing to do with X
[16:41] <scoundrel50a> oh, sorry, didnt know, will try that, thanks for the help
[17:17] <seb128> jcristau, tjaalton, bryceh: 
 seb128, evtest says:
   This device is grabbed by another process.
[17:17] <seb128>    No events are available to evtest while the
[17:17] <seb128>    other grab is active.
[17:17] <seb128>    In most cases, this is caused by an X driver,
[17:17] <seb128>    try VT-switching and re-run evtest again.
[17:17] <seb128> is there any way to tell what is having the grab?
[17:18] <tjaalton> that needs to be run from a vt
[17:18] <seb128> why?
[17:18] <seb128> it works under x for me
[17:18] <tjaalton> it does?
[17:18] <seb128> tjaalton, yes
[17:19] <seb128> tjaalton, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/702862/
[17:19] <seb128> and it reacts to events by displaying those
[17:20] <tjaalton> oh, news to me. didn't use to work in the past
[17:20] <seb128> tjaalton, well, still, any way to see what process is grabbing the device? ;-)
[17:21] <tjaalton> unity?-)
[17:22] <tjaalton> x220 tablet has a multitouch panel on it, and the touchpad
[17:28] <seb128> tjaalton, if that's unity killing the process should restore the device right?
[17:28] <tjaalton> seb128: hopefully yes
[17:28] <seb128> tjaalton, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82023565/xinput.txt is his xinput
[17:28] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                   	id=14	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:28] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:34] <tjaalton> yes
[17:34] <tjaalton> does the trackpoint work?
[17:36] <tjaalton> i don't see any other failure than some X client grabbing it. apparently evtest from a vt would work
[17:37] <jcristau> the synaptics driver still grabs the device by default iirc?
[17:37] <jcristau> (evdev doesn't)
[17:37] <tjaalton> ah ok
[17:37] <tjaalton> i'll test on mine
[17:37] <jcristau> haven't checked in a while though
[17:40] <tjaalton> oh, the output says that too
[17:40] <tjaalton> "in most cases..."
[17:44] <tjaalton> seb128: so, please ask him to test it on a vt
[17:44] <tjaalton> seb128: evtest that is
[18:32] <bryceh> tjaalton, hey noticed you dropped POT building from xkeyboard-config's rules, however #868554 suggests the POT building logic is still needed.
[18:36] <bryceh> tjaalton, were there other reasons for dropping it?  If not, mind if I re-add it?
[18:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: i'll check in a minute
[18:50] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok, sorry about that. there should be a way to clean up afterwards though, trying to figure it out
[18:50] <tjaalton> the old rule shows as a diff in git and diff.gz
[18:51] <bryceh> ah
[18:51] <tjaalton> umm, the result of the rule, rather
[19:14] <tjaalton> bryceh: i'll handle the bug, need to understand how the pot-magic with lp works anyway
[19:19] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok great
[19:47] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok I think it works better now, just need to figure out how to push it from this laptop :)
[19:48] <bryceh> tjaalton, awesome
[19:48] <bryceh> heh, "Precise Pangolin"
[19:49] <bryceh> what the hell is a Pangolin?
[19:49] <tjaalton> the english name didn't say anything, but I know the creature :)
[19:50] <tjaalton> as presented by sir david attenborough on the tv
[19:50] <bryceh> Perky Penguin would have been better
[19:51] <tjaalton> "ant(pine)cone" in finnish
[19:56] <bryceh> hehe
[20:29] <tjaalton> bryceh: check the commit to xkb-data, seem sane to you? :)
[20:31] <bryceh> tjaalton, looks good
[20:34] <tjaalton> alright, time to upload
[20:34] <bryceh> and time for some lunch.. bbiab
[22:12] <bdmurray> cnd: what 2 finger touches should be available / work?
[22:13] <RAOF> I don't believe there are any 2-finger gestures in geis/unity.
[22:13] <bdmurray> well something in firefox makes it zoom in / out
[22:13] <RAOF> So, synaptics should be providing a right click on 2 finger tap, and a scroll for two-finger drag.
[22:14] <Sarvatt> bdmurray: about:config, search for browser.gesture.pinch. and disable?
[22:15] <bdmurray> Sarvatt: my question was what other things can I do with my 2 fingers
[22:17] <bdmurray> about:config is neat though and shows some stuff
[22:18] <Sarvatt> note: i dont even know if that stuff works, was a long shot :)
[22:18] <RAOF> Yeah - Firefox won't have multitouch integration yet, surely?
[22:20]  * bryceh waves to RAOF 
[22:20] <RAOF> Good morning bryce :)
[22:21] <bryceh> bdmurray, hey you may  have already noticed, but I stuck in a greasemonkey script which makes the launchpad OOPS id's into hyperlinks to the +filebug page (with the oops id)
[22:22] <bdmurray> bryceh: I didn't look closely but that sounds like fun
[22:22] <bryceh> bdmurray, and I tested out your changes to buttontags, nice... works more quickly
[22:22] <bdmurray> bryceh: oh yeah that was pretty slick it uses the lp api via javascript
[22:23] <bdmurray> bryceh: the only chagne I saw / see was send_upstream
[22:24] <bdmurray> and a message about revisions being removed
[22:25] <bryceh> ah, stuck it in my branch not the trunk, one sec
[22:25] <bdmurray> bryceh: Did some revisions disappear because I'm on 171
[22:26] <bryceh> bdmurray, probably just bzr's merge wonkiness at work
[22:27] <bryceh> bdmurray, maybe try cloning a copy of the tree and doublechecking?
[22:28] <bdmurray> well I see my last change still in code browse so it seems fine
[22:37] <RAOF> Ok.  Who just killed my X server?
[22:38] <RAOF> Ah, CloseDownClient, my old nemesis.