knomepleia2, well, we have at least something now!! :)00:05
sandra_G'day my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)00:39
sandra_I trust you all are doing well .00:40
sandra_I am new to Xubuntu and too linux and I hope someone can be kind enough to help me.00:40
sandra_My son just installed Xubuntu on my laptop . I followed the instructions he left for updating my new OS .00:42
sandra_But unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the Oneiric repositories 00:43
sandra_Is it me or anyone else experiencing problems connecting to the oneiric repositories ?00:43
Unit193I haven't, but it's best to ask support questions in a support channel :P  (#ubuntu+1)00:55
Unit193More people to help you there00:56
sandra_Unit193, Oh I'm sorry thank you.01:00
Unit193No problem01:00
Pjotrmadnick: Hello, I have a request for the bug ticket about lightdm-gtk-greeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/86242713:08
ubottuUbuntu bug 862427 in Light Display Manager "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not set translation domain" [Medium,Fix committed]13:08
PjotrCan you revert the status from "fix released" into "confirmed"? This because there are still three untranslated items. I have tried changing the status myself, but I'm not authorized to do so.13:09
PjotrReverting the status to "confirmed" will prevent this final issue from being forgotten.13:09
charlie-tcaGood morning15:09
genii-aroundWell, morning, anyhow15:10
charlie-tcaImages are working today16:40
charlie-tcaOlbi: You should grab today's image. It will install instead of crash16:40
madnickcharlie-tca: Could you look into what Pjotr said? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/05/%23xubuntu-devel.html16:48
madnickI don't have authority to do that 16:48
charlie-tcaI will comment on the bug report. Those three items are going to need a new bug report, since they are marked as not translatable. I explained that to him already, I think16:52
madnickOh okay16:52
madnickI don't even think its a bug to be honest, those greeters are meant to serve as examples as far as i know16:52
charlie-tcaand the second question looking at that log is "who/why did anyone install oneiric on a new users computer?"16:52
Unit193Didn't want to wait just over a week to update? You recommended Natty to me before it was released (Worked best, not saying you shouldn't)16:54
madnickthere is a similar question in #xubuntu right now :P16:57
Unit193"Will there be issues" :P16:57
madnickTodays images worked flawlessly however, but I dont know what happens if one upgrades to tomorrows 16:58
charlie-tcaThe issue I have is if someone installs the development version for a new user, they need to be available to answer new user questions.16:59
charlie-tcaThose users in Ubuntu+1 will raise a lot of fuss about questions that a user using development versions should already know the answer to.16:59
charlie-tcaHeh, yeah, I guess yesterday's answer would have been "yes", huh?17:05
Pjotrcharlie-tca: good evening (or whatever your timezone is)! This issue hasn't been solved yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/79926818:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 799268 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu: default screensaver should be black screen, not random" [Wishlist,Triaged]18:12
PjotrWill the solution make it into Oneiric?18:13
charlie-tcaWhy should it be black instead of a screensaver?18:15
charlie-tcaUbuntu threw the screensaver out completely now, shouldn't we follow what they do?18:16
Unit193What do they use??18:16
charlie-tcaGnome3 decided turning the monitor is much better for everyone18:16
charlie-tcaGnome3 decided turning the monitor *off* is much better for everyone18:16
charlie-tcaOf course, they do let you choose how long to have it on... 1 min, 3 min, 30 min, 1 hour18:17
charlie-tcaNote ^ ^ no option to say leave it on, either18:17
PjotrThe reason is, that some screensavers cause crashes on some hardware. The default screensaver should be failsafe, i.e. black screen. Or be switched off alltogether....18:18
* Unit193 is glad he uses Xfce18:18
charlie-tcaPjotr: I don't think it is very much effort for the user to reset the screensaver to whatever they want.18:18
PjotrBut it makes such a bad impression, when the system locks up because of a heavy 3D screensaver18:19
charlie-tcaIf it was my preference, it would be a single screensaver, perhaps fish18:19
charlie-tcaI would think if you know that in advance, you can advise them to set it to a single screensaver?18:20
Pjotrat least when people *choose* a 3D monster, then they wouldn't be so put off as by a random 18:20
Pjotrthe default should be failsafe18:21
charlie-tcaYour opinion is allowed. Perhaps we will discuss this again for the next release. 18:25
PjotrThat's as much as I can ask for. :-)18:25
PjotrI have a request for the bug ticket about lightdm-gtk-greeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/86242718:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 862427 in Light Display Manager "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not set translation domain" [Medium,Fix committed]18:26
Unit193Disabling a few/all GL screensavers could help18:27
PjotrCan you revert the status from "fix released" into "confirmed"? This because there are still three untranslated items. I have tried changing the status myself, but I'm not authorized to do so.18:27
charlie-tcaYeah, I think you should file a new bug for those three "non-translatable" items left18:27
PjotrOK, I'll make a new one and inform you about it...18:28
charlie-tcaplease, and I can then mark it and push it, but it won't happen in oneiric, you know.18:28
charlie-tcaThe issue with the GL screensavers is they are part of xscreensaver, and we are limited in what is allowed.18:29
PjotrOK, here's the new bug report about the greeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/86861318:39
ubottuUbuntu bug 868613 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm-gtk-greeter in Xubuntu, has three untranslatable items" [Undecided,New]18:39
charlie-tcaThank you18:39
charlie-tcaWill make sure it is noticed18:39
Unit193charlie-tca: You add it or shall I?18:39
charlie-tcaOh, you can add it. I will triage the report and mark it to get it done in P18:40
Unit193charlie-tca: Got it in. I got stuck in support an a PM18:52
Unit193I know how to update that one ;)18:53
charlie-tcaand now... I present the Precise Pangolin, destined to become Xubuntu 12.04 LTS 19:17
charlie-tcaMuch easier to pronounce the Oneiric Ocelot19:20
Unit193Dangit, I was wishing for Pink Panther ;)  But really, needed something to do with a Penguin19:20
charlie-tcaI was hoping for Penguin, too19:22
charlie-tcahm, I find Precise much easier to spell too19:23
madnickI never heard about an Ocelot nor a Pangolin :P19:24
charlie-tcabut couldn't it have been Precise Penguin?19:24
charlie-tcamadnick: that's one of the greatest things about Ubuntu. You get to know all kinds of animals you would not even think about :)19:24
madnickindeed :) I read the wiki suggestion page just a couple of days ago19:25
madnickand it listed alot of animals unheard of by me19:25
Unit193But P!! P was the one chance for Penguin, the linux LOGO19:25
charlie-tcawhich might be why it is not used, though. It avoids having Ubuntu become linux19:26
charlie-tcawhich it has been accused of before. Ubuntu == linux, but linux != Ubuntu alone19:27
madnickI heard it today :)19:27
charlie-tcaand I suspect using penguin would have created huge issues about that19:27
madnickIts hard to explain however, to people19:27
madnickPeople tend to think "Mac, Linux, Windows"19:28
Unit193Eh, that's the problem with people19:28
madnickI said, to not compilacte things: Ubuntu builds upon Linux19:28
charlie-tcaYes, but the argument has been made already that Ubuntu and Linux should not be the same. People need to know there are many variations of linux to choose from.19:28
madnickI think it may acctually be good for people to think of a certain distro as "Linux", because wI know friends who have called me, "Hi, I was going to try out Linux, but I cant find theirhomepage"19:31
Unit193In a way, yes19:33
madnickI have quite alot of stories about people and Linux, my friend works in an eletronics store, but I dont want it logged :P19:33
Unit193Yep, that's what I hate most about the Ubuntu channels :P19:34
Unit193It's also what offtopic is for19:34
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