[00:05] <knome> pleia2, well, we have at least something now!! :)
[00:39] <sandra_> G'day my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[00:40] <sandra_> I trust you all are doing well .
[00:40] <sandra_> I am new to Xubuntu and too linux and I hope someone can be kind enough to help me.
[00:42] <sandra_> My son just installed Xubuntu on my laptop . I followed the instructions he left for updating my new OS .
[00:43] <sandra_> But unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the Oneiric repositories 
[00:43] <sandra_> Is it me or anyone else experiencing problems connecting to the oneiric repositories ?
[00:55] <Unit193> I haven't, but it's best to ask support questions in a support channel :P  (#ubuntu+1)
[00:56] <Unit193> More people to help you there
[01:00] <sandra_> Unit193, Oh I'm sorry thank you.
[01:00] <Unit193> No problem
[13:08] <Pjotr> madnick: Hello, I have a request for the bug ticket about lightdm-gtk-greeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427
[13:09] <Pjotr> Can you revert the status from "fix released" into "confirmed"? This because there are still three untranslated items. I have tried changing the status myself, but I'm not authorized to do so.
[13:09] <Pjotr> Reverting the status to "confirmed" will prevent this final issue from being forgotten.
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:10] <genii-around> Well, morning, anyhow
[15:12] <Unit193> Howdy
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Images are working today
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Olbi: You should grab today's image. It will install instead of crash
[16:48] <madnick> charlie-tca: Could you look into what Pjotr said? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/05/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[16:48] <madnick> I don't have authority to do that 
[16:52] <charlie-tca> I will comment on the bug report. Those three items are going to need a new bug report, since they are marked as not translatable. I explained that to him already, I think
[16:52] <madnick> Oh okay
[16:52] <madnick> I don't even think its a bug to be honest, those greeters are meant to serve as examples as far as i know
[16:52] <charlie-tca> and the second question looking at that log is "who/why did anyone install oneiric on a new users computer?"
[16:54] <Unit193> Didn't want to wait just over a week to update? You recommended Natty to me before it was released (Worked best, not saying you shouldn't)
[16:57] <madnick> there is a similar question in #xubuntu right now :P
[16:57] <Unit193> Yep
[16:57] <Unit193> "Will there be issues" :P
[16:58] <madnick> Todays images worked flawlessly however, but I dont know what happens if one upgrades to tomorrows 
[16:59] <charlie-tca> The issue I have is if someone installs the development version for a new user, they need to be available to answer new user questions.
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Those users in Ubuntu+1 will raise a lot of fuss about questions that a user using development versions should already know the answer to.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Heh, yeah, I guess yesterday's answer would have been "yes", huh?
[18:12] <Pjotr> charlie-tca: good evening (or whatever your timezone is)! This issue hasn't been solved yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/799268
[18:13] <Pjotr> Will the solution make it into Oneiric?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Why should it be black instead of a screensaver?
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu threw the screensaver out completely now, shouldn't we follow what they do?
[18:16] <Unit193> What do they use??
[18:16] <charlie-tca> None
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Gnome3 decided turning the monitor is much better for everyone
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Gnome3 decided turning the monitor *off* is much better for everyone
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Of course, they do let you choose how long to have it on... 1 min, 3 min, 30 min, 1 hour
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Note ^ ^ no option to say leave it on, either
[18:18] <Pjotr> The reason is, that some screensavers cause crashes on some hardware. The default screensaver should be failsafe, i.e. black screen. Or be switched off alltogether....
[18:18]  * Unit193 is glad he uses Xfce
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Pjotr: I don't think it is very much effort for the user to reset the screensaver to whatever they want.
[18:19] <Pjotr> But it makes such a bad impression, when the system locks up because of a heavy 3D screensaver
[18:19] <charlie-tca> If it was my preference, it would be a single screensaver, perhaps fish
[18:20] <charlie-tca> I would think if you know that in advance, you can advise them to set it to a single screensaver?
[18:20] <Pjotr> at least when people *choose* a 3D monster, then they wouldn't be so put off as by a random 
[18:21] <Pjotr> the default should be failsafe
[18:21] <Pjotr> imho
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Your opinion is allowed. Perhaps we will discuss this again for the next release. 
[18:25] <Pjotr> That's as much as I can ask for. :-)
[18:26] <Pjotr> I have a request for the bug ticket about lightdm-gtk-greeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/862427
[18:27] <Unit193> Disabling a few/all GL screensavers could help
[18:27] <Pjotr> Can you revert the status from "fix released" into "confirmed"? This because there are still three untranslated items. I have tried changing the status myself, but I'm not authorized to do so.
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I think you should file a new bug for those three "non-translatable" items left
[18:28] <Pjotr> OK, I'll make a new one and inform you about it...
[18:28] <charlie-tca> please, and I can then mark it and push it, but it won't happen in oneiric, you know.
[18:29] <charlie-tca> The issue with the GL screensavers is they are part of xscreensaver, and we are limited in what is allowed.
[18:39] <Pjotr> OK, here's the new bug report about the greeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/868613
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Will make sure it is noticed
[18:39] <Pjotr> Thanks!
[18:39] <Unit193> charlie-tca: You add it or shall I?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Oh, you can add it. I will triage the report and mark it to get it done in P
[18:52] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Got it in. I got stuck in support an a PM
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:53] <Unit193> I know how to update that one ;)
[19:17] <charlie-tca> and now... I present the Precise Pangolin, destined to become Xubuntu 12.04 LTS 
[19:17] <charlie-tca> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784
[19:18] <Unit193> Gaaa!!!
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Much easier to pronounce the Oneiric Ocelot
[19:20] <Unit193> Dangit, I was wishing for Pink Panther ;)  But really, needed something to do with a Penguin
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I was hoping for Penguin, too
[19:23] <charlie-tca> hm, I find Precise much easier to spell too
[19:24] <madnick> I never heard about an Ocelot nor a Pangolin :P
[19:24] <charlie-tca> but couldn't it have been Precise Penguin?
[19:24] <Unit193> ^^
[19:24] <charlie-tca> madnick: that's one of the greatest things about Ubuntu. You get to know all kinds of animals you would not even think about :)
[19:25] <madnick> indeed :) I read the wiki suggestion page just a couple of days ago
[19:25] <madnick> and it listed alot of animals unheard of by me
[19:25] <Unit193> But P!! P was the one chance for Penguin, the linux LOGO
[19:26] <charlie-tca> which might be why it is not used, though. It avoids having Ubuntu become linux
[19:27] <charlie-tca> which it has been accused of before. Ubuntu == linux, but linux != Ubuntu alone
[19:27] <madnick> I heard it today :)
[19:27] <charlie-tca> and I suspect using penguin would have created huge issues about that
[19:27] <madnick> Its hard to explain however, to people
[19:28] <madnick> People tend to think "Mac, Linux, Windows"
[19:28] <Unit193> Eh, that's the problem with people
[19:28] <madnick> I said, to not compilacte things: Ubuntu builds upon Linux
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Yes, but the argument has been made already that Ubuntu and Linux should not be the same. People need to know there are many variations of linux to choose from.
[19:31] <madnick> I think it may acctually be good for people to think of a certain distro as "Linux", because wI know friends who have called me, "Hi, I was going to try out Linux, but I cant find theirhomepage"
[19:33] <Unit193> In a way, yes
[19:33] <madnick> I have quite alot of stories about people and Linux, my friend works in an eletronics store, but I dont want it logged :P
[19:34] <Unit193> Yep, that's what I hate most about the Ubuntu channels :P
[19:34] <Unit193> It's also what offtopic is for
[19:34] <madnick> true