| valorie | yes, RIP Steve Jobs | 01:00 |
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| * valorie leaves for PFLAG | 01:00 | |
| === zorael__ is now known as zorael | ||
| ScottK | Anyone else's fonts change today? | 06:42 |
| GirlyGirl | 4.7.2 on oneric ... self compiled going well here | 07:06 |
| ulysses | they have a time machine! http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7.2.php | 07:30 |
| ulysses | "September 7, 2011. Today KDE released updates for its Workspaces, Applications, and Development Platform." | 07:30 |
| GirlyGirl | ulysses: How does OpenSuse get packages for KDE so quickly! Arch is pretty fast too | 07:35 |
| GirlyGirl | Though Suse breaks regularly with kde updates | 07:35 |
| ulysses | the tarballs were created about a week ago, as always, but the release is announced alway later | 07:36 |
| Quintasan_ | wendar: Hiho, they called me and asked about where should they put the US Tax Payer ID since their system wont accept that in the NIP field which we use in Poland. I was told there are two possible fields where they can put it: next to Company name or in the Comments field | 10:53 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| wendar | Quintasan: That's reasonable. I can't imagine they'll have much use for the US Tax ID, but needed the equivalent of NIP in their records. | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | wendar: so, you dont have any preferences on where to put the ID? | 13:17 |
| wendar | apachelogger: as long as it doesn't get printed on a shipping label, I can't see that it matters much | 14:05 |
| wendar | apachelogger: it's not relevant on the company side, purchasing hardware in Poland has no relevant tax consequences in the US | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | wendar: ok, I sent Quintasan an SMS, he apparently is without internet right now | 14:11 |
| * apachelogger wonders if someone removed the internetz from the top of big ben again ^^ | 14:11 | |
| wendar | apachelogger: thanks :) | 14:12 |
| debfx | apachelogger: for some reason kwin doesn't pick up the kubuntu-low-fat settings | 15:14 |
| debfx | aha, k-d-s overrides the window decoration style | 15:17 |
| ximion | hi! does someone here know why kpackagekit has been removed from Oneiric without a trace? | 15:19 |
| ximion | users were asking for it... | 15:20 |
| GirlyGirl | ximion: Doesn't muon replace it | 15:25 |
| ximion | GirlyGirl: No, theyre two completely different project, with different goals and different audience and different technology | 15:25 |
| ximion | uon replaces KPK as _default_ but users should still be able to switch to KPK if they want | 15:26 |
| GirlyGirl | ximion: Ah I see the issue is that it is not present in the repos? | 15:26 |
| debfx | ximion: the package doesn't build anymore and it depended on an old packagekit library that has been removed | 15:27 |
| ScottK | ximion: It's in Universe. It didn't go away | 15:27 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 15:27 |
| ScottK | ximion: All it takes is someone who's interested to make sure it works. If there are fixes available, it's not too late to get them in. | 15:27 |
| ximion | debfx: okay, that's a valid reason (and I guess it's also my fault :P) | 15:28 |
| ximion | ScottK: the new version of KPK, targeting the new pk-qt2-lib is called Apper - I would have to package Apper to fix this. | 15:29 |
| ximion | this task is already on my todo anyway, but I don't think a new version (and a new package) can make it into Oneiric now ^^ | 15:29 |
| dantti | ximion: or you can put pk-qt1? | 15:30 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Ah, thanks once again | 15:30 |
| ximion | dantti: possible | 15:31 |
| ximion | ScottK: If I provide a patch against the packagekit package to produce a package containing the missing lib, would this be okay? | 15:31 |
| ScottK | ximion: As long as it doesn't affect the existing packagekit functions, yes. | 15:34 |
| ScottK | Also, if you can find someone to upload apper, I'll approve the exception and do the archive admin new package review. | 15:34 |
| ScottK | So if you can do it in the next day or two apper can still get in. | 15:35 |
| ximion | ScottK: Wow, that would be super-cool! But then dantti needs to say yes to it :) | 15:35 |
| dantti | ScottK, ximion: I'm super hell busy but I'll find time today to finish the last issue, as I don't want a release without it :P (as my clients are also used to it...) | 15:37 |
| ScottK | ximion: You will need to find someone to upload it. I can't do both the new review and be uploader. | 15:38 |
| dantti | I'm fight right now to make a Cacti installationg work well, but I'll do that.. | 15:38 |
| ximion | dantti: Okay... Hmm, this will become difficult, because I don't have too much time. | 15:39 |
| ximion | but I already started the packaging | 15:39 |
| dantti | ximion: afaik I'll only fix the check for updates issue, so if you package the current git code it shouldn't get broken :P | 15:40 |
| ximion | ScottK: okay :) Btw, which role do I need in the Ubuntu project to be able to upload some packages like packagekit, projectm etc.? | 15:40 |
| ScottK | MOTU | 15:40 |
| ximion | ScottK: hmm... Then I think I'll try to apply for MOTU - it is a pain to always go the Debian -> Sync with Ubuntu way to fix some small bugs which are only available in Ubuntu (because of never glib, for example) | 15:44 |
| ScottK | ximion: Are you a DD? | 15:44 |
| ximion | dantti: which version-number will the new apper release have? | 15:45 |
| ximion | ScottK: DM very soon :) | 15:45 |
| ximion | it took some time to get my GPG-key signed by a DD | 15:45 |
| ScottK | OK. Once you have DM status, it should be relatively easy to get per-package uploader rights for the packages you maintain in Debian. | 15:45 |
| ximion | (fortunately there were some at Desktopsummit) | 15:45 |
| dantti | ximion: 0.7.0 | 15:46 |
| ximion | that would be cool! | 15:46 |
| ximion | dantti: ok | 15:46 |
| ScottK | If it's only certain packages, PPU is easier than MOTU to get. | 15:46 |
| ximion | ScottK: As long as I get sponsors for my packages, DM and PPU is enough, I guess. | 15:47 |
| ximion | can I set bug priorities on LP with PPU? | 15:48 |
| ximion | (I so much want to do this to organize the bug-flood on LP. for PK, I finally managed to get it down to less than 10 reports *yay*) | 15:48 |
| yofel | to set the importance you need to get direct or indirect membership to ubuntu bug-control. | 15:50 |
| yofel | note that upstream developers or bug triagers can get that pretty easy | 15:50 |
| yofel | just poke in #ubuntu-bugs | 15:50 |
| yofel | ScottK: where are we going to put 4.7.2 for oneiric? PPA or oneiric-updates? | 15:51 |
| yofel | ximion: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl | 15:52 |
| ximion | yofel: thanks - I didn't know that | 15:52 |
| ximion | heh, I'm doing stuff for Ubuntu for 3 years now and I'm still missing the basics | 15:53 |
| ximion | (focused on Debian the past two years) | 15:53 |
| ScottK | yofel: I think -proposed/updates | 16:02 |
| ScottK | yofel: pimlibs/pim/pim-runtime are already in. | 16:02 |
| yofel | k | 16:02 |
| ScottK | The rest should still go in the PPA first for testing. | 16:03 |
| === allee_ is now known as allee | ||
| ximion | is someone here interested in uploading Apper to Ubuntu for me? | 16:39 |
| ximion | --> http://dantti.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/apper-kpackagekit-reworked-part-i/ | 16:39 |
| Darkwing | Anyone else having issues with launchpad? | 16:40 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Can you upload Apper? | 16:40 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I can | 17:01 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Uhh, can we get something like FFE now? | 17:03 |
| ximion | Quintasan: I'll have the package ready tomorrow, when dantti is ready. | 17:14 |
| ximion | (there are some issues to be resolved now...) | 17:14 |
| Quintasan | ximion: Unfortunately, tomorrow I will be in Kraków to attend a meeting with consul to get my visa. You'd want to ask someone else then | 17:15 |
| ximion | ScottK: how long do I have time with this? | 17:15 |
| ximion | eh blabla... how long can we wait with uploading Apper? | 17:16 |
| Quintasan | Not too long I presume | 17:16 |
| Quintasan | Since the Final Freeze is in effect | 17:16 |
| * Sput thinks it'll be weird to be calling the next release "Precise" | 17:32 | |
| ximion | Quintasan: I guess you won't be back so early... | 17:34 |
| Darkwing | I do like the Pangolin though... | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | debfx: I am not quite sure why it does not work though | 17:43 |
| Darkwing | Have we started doing any blueprints for precise yet? | 17:44 |
| bambee | evening | 17:45 |
| debfx | apachelogger: in startkde we set export KDEDIRS=/usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/:/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/ | 17:49 |
| debfx | maybe we need to do the same in lowfat if KDEDIRS is empty | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | no, the solution is to not have that in startkde :P | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | anywho... | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | it also doesnt work for the desktop | 17:49 |
| debfx | apachelogger: no, I mean appending the k-d-s path | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | hmmmm | 17:50 |
| apachelogger | not sure | 17:50 |
| apachelogger | also that would not help with the kwin problem | 17:50 |
| debfx | assuming netbook-default-settings actually overrides k-d-s | 17:50 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Yes. FFe is granted (still file the bug to document it) | 17:56 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Since it's Universe we need to have it in by the end of the weekend. Sooner is better. | 17:56 |
| ScottK | Sput: I agree, but at least I can spell it. | 17:58 |
| debfx | apachelogger: appending the k-d-s path seems to work | 18:00 |
| * debfx uploads low-fat again | 18:02 | |
| apachelogger | debfx: that is odd enough | 18:11 |
| Quintasan | wendar: Ok, done, you should get an invoice (or how else you called that) tomorrow :) | 19:03 |
| wendar | Quintasan: okay, great! | 19:03 |
| * Darkwing chuckles | 19:04 | |
| Quintasan | wendar: I'll be going to Krakow tomorrow so if something very urgent pops out you can ask apachelogger for my phone number. | 19:04 |
| * Quintasan heads to bed | 19:05 | |
| wendar | Quintasan: thanks | 19:05 |
| Quintasan | Gotta get up at 03:00 in the morning -_- | 19:05 |
| wendar | :( | 19:05 |
| * Quintasan == off | 19:05 | |
| apachelogger | lord of the numbers | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: nini | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: pink pink | 19:10 |
| ScottK | debfx: Accepted too. | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | !find arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump | 19:31 |
| ubottu | File arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump found in binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi | 19:31 |
| apachelogger | !find arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump oneiric | 19:32 |
| ubottu | File arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump found in binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi | 19:32 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| * yofel notes that bulldog98's error messages in khighestversion are supreme unhelpful | 19:41 | |
| yofel | at least implement -h -.- | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | doomsday | 20:05 |
| apachelogger | error messages area always unhelpful | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | that is why the bat scripts had an entire framework :P | 20:06 |
| yofel | well, then at least of handling an error and being unhelpful the scripts should just crash | 20:06 |
| yofel | *instead of | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | is it written in python? | 20:08 |
| yofel | nope, ruby | 20:10 |
| apachelogger | no chance of crashing then | 20:11 |
| * Darkwing wishes there was a way to track updates to reigon. | 20:17 | |
| yofel | to .. what? | 20:18 |
| Darkwing | Well, if we knew who was using our prodect we would better be able to know how to market our prodect. | 20:19 |
| Darkwing | I know that this walks a very fine line... | 20:19 |
| yofel | oh, you mean region? | 20:20 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, sorry... | 20:20 |
| * Darkwing ponders | 20:21 | |
| yofel | the only thing I can think of is getting some download stats from the PPA. IIRC the database stores the country the packages were downloaded from. | 20:21 |
| yofel | but I don't think there's something like that for the rest of the servers. | 20:21 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, I wanted to build some user statistics and be able to better "guess" the needs/uses of Kubuntu before they know it based on users, uses and region. | 20:23 |
| debfx | yay, flash 11 is in the partner archive. no more i386 on my system :D | 20:24 |
| Darkwing | debfx: I've just been going to adobe for it. | 20:25 |
| Darkwing | and copy the .so and place it where I need/want it. | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | flash? what is this then? | 20:32 |
| Darkwing | apachelogger: Who did you request for a roomie? :P:P | 20:32 |
| apachelogger | no one yet | 20:33 |
| * Darkwing facepalms | 21:15 | |
| Darkwing | I wonder who does the CD artwork? | 21:15 |
| Darkwing | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#A11.10_artwork | 21:15 |
| Darkwing | The sleeve isn't bad but... the CD disk itself is the Ubuntu logo blue. | 21:16 |
| yofel | wtf? Warning /!\ Kubuntu FRONT PDF is 80MB. All others are sensible sizes in the range 150 kB to 3.2 MB. | 21:20 |
| yofel | Darkwing: true... | 21:22 |
| yofel | someone summon sheytan like yesterday | 21:22 |
| cyphermox | uh-oh, I'm noticing mobile broadband might be borked in oneiriic kubuntu; has anybody else had issues establishing 3g connections? | 21:45 |
| Linkmaster | I had a kernel panic using both ubuntu and kubuntu 11.04amd64-bit on an x120e thinkpad machine. it froze, so I'm going to have to power it off, but I want to know if you can derive anything useful before I do so | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | Linkmaster: #ubuntu-kernel | 21:54 |
| Linkmaster | thanks | 21:54 |
| ScottK | cyphermox: I've tethered through my Android phone and that worked. Does that count? | 21:57 |
| === Linkmaster is now known as Crash_Override | ||
| === Crash_Override is now known as Linkmaster | ||
| BarkingFish | evening guys :) Do any of you ever go bug hunting in launchpad? | 22:07 |
| BarkingFish | I'm having extraordinary difficulty getting this thing to do a search, I just want all the bugs which have been reported in the last 24 hours, and i can't figure out how to do it. I just get a list of recently reported bugs which spans back about 10 minutes :P | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | no idea | 22:08 |
| * apachelogger never had that use case | 22:08 | |
| BarkingFish | aha, nvm, i think i've twigged on how to do it :) | 22:10 |
| cyphermox | ScottK: no, tethering shows up as an ethernet device :/ | 22:19 |
| ScottK | This does. | 22:19 |
| ScottK | OK. | 22:19 |
| cyphermox | I'll try to get my hands on an other 3g device, in case it's just this one | 22:19 |
| cyphermox | but it works just fine with nm-applet | 22:19 |
| BarkingFish | One other thing, are we allowed to leave personal messages on the bug reports, as opposed to using boilerplate ones? I just left a comment on a bug reported by some guy who turned the bug title into a rant... | 22:19 |
| cyphermox | (I'm using it right now, stuck in traffic :/ | 22:20 |
| BarkingFish | I am not entirely sure now whether I should have done this. | 22:20 |
| ScottK | cyphermox: Upstream has suggested we update to a new snapshot for our NM. | 22:20 |
| ScottK | It would be worthwhile to pull from the upstream git and see it that's better. | 22:20 |
| ScottK | BarkingFish: Search in LP sucks. | 22:20 |
| BarkingFish | If someone could check what I put here, and make sure I've not crossed the line, i'd appreciate it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/869470 | 22:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 869470 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Software center freezes/stuck/grayed out during download" [Undecided,New] | 22:20 |
| BarkingFish | ScottK, tell me about it. | 22:20 |
| cyphermox | ok; I can give it a shot here, later when I don't have a download cap | 22:21 |
| BarkingFish | It sucks, blows, chokes and pukes at the same time, ScottK | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: order beer | 22:21 |
| * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer. | 22:21 | |
| BarkingFish | I wish we had a bugzilla personally :P | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | BarkingFish: seems good enough, the comment that is | 22:21 |
| BarkingFish | k, thanks apachelogger | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | besides, you cannot write more unfriendly comments than I :P | 22:22 |
| BarkingFish | I had to edit the title too - the statement you see at the top of the bug text is what he originally put as the title :) | 22:22 |
| cyphermox | ScottK: btw, thanks for all the hints and help this cycle; much appreciated (and I'll happily repay in beer) | 22:22 |
| BarkingFish | apachelogger, I wouldn't place a bet on that. | 22:22 |
| ScottK | cyphermox: Unfortunately I won't be at UDS. | 22:23 |
| BarkingFish | I have a temper shorter than a mosquito's knob in winter, and I'm not afraid to use it :) | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | lol | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | BarkingFish: do bug triage for some years and then look back at this moment :P | 22:23 |
| cyphermox | ScottK: very unfortunate, yes | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | ubuntu bug reports can really make you go whoop whooooop | 22:24 |
| BarkingFish | apachelogger, trust me. If I was anymore cuckoo than I am now, I'd be moved to switzerland and employed in a clock somewhere | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | re bug 867737, maybe for the short term (11.10) we should bump up the polkit-kde-1 | policykit-1-gnome depenency to just polkit-kde-1 for our packages | 22:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 867737 in polkit-kde-1 (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu desktop missing dependency on polkit-kde-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867737 | 22:37 |
| JontheEchidna | I've posted what I think could be a longer-term solution in the bug | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: TLDR | 22:38 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: basically, both the gnome and kde polkit frontends should work in $DE | 22:38 |
| JontheEchidna | but they're only autostarted in their respective DE with OnlyShowIn in their .desktop files | 22:39 |
| JontheEchidna | that could be dropped, and only one would register as the official uber polkit overlord | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: why not have a service and have dbus launch it? | 22:39 |
| JontheEchidna | dunno, ask polkit :P | 22:40 |
| JontheEchidna | but currently, packages depending on a polkit frontend assume either will work with an or dependency on the two frontends | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | I mean, if they use the same dbus interface you could just have any ui autostart in their desktops and if none was started dbus will start the service | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | that said kubuntu-desktop should drag in polkit-kde for integration reasons | 22:41 |
| Riddell | the release schedule says "Release Candidate" for today, is there actually one planned or is that just for confusion? | 22:41 |
| JontheEchidna | explicitly seeding it definitely wouldn't hurt, but people might install KDE softwares from Ubuntu, and wonder why they don't work | 22:42 |
| JontheEchidna | so we'll need a longer term fix eventually | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: confusion I think | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: why does it not simply use the gnome polkit ui? | 22:44 |
| JontheEchidna | the gnome auth daemon isn't starting at startup due to OnlyShowIn=Gnome in the .desktop file | 22:44 |
| JontheEchidna | and the KDE auth daemon won't start in gnome | 22:44 |
| JontheEchidna | they are not talking to each other and are getting a divorce :'( | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | I am confused | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | what is the scenario here? | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | user runs ubuntu or user runs kubuntu? | 22:45 |
| JontheEchidna | gnome user runs KDE app needing polkit in gnome, or KDE user runs gnome app in kde | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | confusing | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | SO | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | if you run gnome | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | won't the gnome polkit ui be installed and runnin? | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 22:47 |
| JontheEchidna | unless you also have KDE installed, and try to run a gnome app in thar | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | ok, I really do not get the problem | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | gnome session -> gnome polit ui -> kde app uses that ui | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | kde session -> kde polkit ui -> gnome app uses that ui | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | no? | 22:48 |
| JontheEchidna | if you install KDE after gnome the kde polkit ui won't be installed | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | right | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | BUG | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | righ there | 22:49 |
| JontheEchidna | and the gnome one you already have won't autostart in KDE | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | plasma-desktop needs to depend on polit-kde | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | or whatever thing provides the plasma kde session | 22:49 |
| JontheEchidna | either one could be made to work perfectly fine in the other DE, removing the need for an extra dependency, tho | 22:51 |
| JontheEchidna | (by removing the autostart restriction) | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | BUG | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | "in me gnome I have an alien dialog that asks me for auth, I am so not giving it auth" | 22:53 |
| JontheEchidna | with QGtkStyle it'll look native | 22:53 |
| JontheEchidna | with oxygen-gtk it'll look native | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | "canonical should fix their stuff !! or go back to sudo !!" | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: except qgtkstyle is not used by default for kde apps | 22:54 |
| JontheEchidna | BUG | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | except oxygen-gtk does still look alien | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | except icons in kde apps are oxygen wherea s in gnome apps the are human | 22:54 |
| JontheEchidna | eh, doesn't look too bad to me: http://i.imgur.com/CFse3.png | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | if there was some way to control which registered first, that'd fix that too | 22:55 |
| apachelogger | on registers per DS | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | kde ui only registers in KDE | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | gnome ui only registers in gnome | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | s/on/one/ | 22:58 |
| kubotu | apachelogger meant: "gnome ui onely registers in gnome" | 22:58 |
| apachelogger | oh, fail \p/ | 22:58 |
| apachelogger | more fail | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | wow, the gnomie frontend actually stays in front of the window being auth'd | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1++ | 22:59 |
| JontheEchidna | calculus homework time, bbl | 23:03 |
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