[01:00] yes, RIP Steve Jobs [01:00] * valorie leaves for PFLAG === zorael__ is now known as zorael [06:42] Anyone else's fonts change today? [07:06] 4.7.2 on oneric ... self compiled going well here [07:30] they have a time machine! http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7.2.php [07:30] "September 7, 2011. Today KDE released updates for its Workspaces, Applications, and Development Platform." [07:35] ulysses: How does OpenSuse get packages for KDE so quickly! Arch is pretty fast too [07:35] Though Suse breaks regularly with kde updates [07:36] the tarballs were created about a week ago, as always, but the release is announced alway later [10:53] wendar: Hiho, they called me and asked about where should they put the US Tax Payer ID since their system wont accept that in the NIP field which we use in Poland. I was told there are two possible fields where they can put it: next to Company name or in the Comments field === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:33] Quintasan: That's reasonable. I can't imagine they'll have much use for the US Tax ID, but needed the equivalent of NIP in their records. [13:17] wendar: so, you dont have any preferences on where to put the ID? [14:05] apachelogger: as long as it doesn't get printed on a shipping label, I can't see that it matters much [14:06] apachelogger: it's not relevant on the company side, purchasing hardware in Poland has no relevant tax consequences in the US [14:11] wendar: ok, I sent Quintasan an SMS, he apparently is without internet right now [14:11] * apachelogger wonders if someone removed the internetz from the top of big ben again ^^ [14:12] apachelogger: thanks :) [15:14] apachelogger: for some reason kwin doesn't pick up the kubuntu-low-fat settings [15:17] aha, k-d-s overrides the window decoration style [15:19] hi! does someone here know why kpackagekit has been removed from Oneiric without a trace? [15:20] users were asking for it... [15:25] ximion: Doesn't muon replace it [15:25] GirlyGirl: No, theyre two completely different project, with different goals and different audience and different technology [15:26] uon replaces KPK as _default_ but users should still be able to switch to KPK if they want [15:26] ximion: Ah I see the issue is that it is not present in the repos? [15:27] ximion: the package doesn't build anymore and it depended on an old packagekit library that has been removed [15:27] ximion: It's in Universe. It didn't go away [15:27] Oh. [15:27] ximion: All it takes is someone who's interested to make sure it works. If there are fixes available, it's not too late to get them in. [15:28] debfx: okay, that's a valid reason (and I guess it's also my fault :P) [15:29] ScottK: the new version of KPK, targeting the new pk-qt2-lib is called Apper - I would have to package Apper to fix this. [15:29] this task is already on my todo anyway, but I don't think a new version (and a new package) can make it into Oneiric now ^^ [15:30] ximion: or you can put pk-qt1? [15:30] apachelogger: Ah, thanks once again [15:31] dantti: possible [15:31] ScottK: If I provide a patch against the packagekit package to produce a package containing the missing lib, would this be okay? [15:34] ximion: As long as it doesn't affect the existing packagekit functions, yes. [15:34] Also, if you can find someone to upload apper, I'll approve the exception and do the archive admin new package review. [15:35] So if you can do it in the next day or two apper can still get in. [15:35] ScottK: Wow, that would be super-cool! But then dantti needs to say yes to it :) [15:37] ScottK, ximion: I'm super hell busy but I'll find time today to finish the last issue, as I don't want a release without it :P (as my clients are also used to it...) [15:38] ximion: You will need to find someone to upload it. I can't do both the new review and be uploader. [15:38] I'm fight right now to make a Cacti installationg work well, but I'll do that.. [15:39] dantti: Okay... Hmm, this will become difficult, because I don't have too much time. [15:39] but I already started the packaging [15:40] ximion: afaik I'll only fix the check for updates issue, so if you package the current git code it shouldn't get broken :P [15:40] ScottK: okay :) Btw, which role do I need in the Ubuntu project to be able to upload some packages like packagekit, projectm etc.? [15:40] MOTU [15:44] ScottK: hmm... Then I think I'll try to apply for MOTU - it is a pain to always go the Debian -> Sync with Ubuntu way to fix some small bugs which are only available in Ubuntu (because of never glib, for example) [15:44] ximion: Are you a DD? [15:45] dantti: which version-number will the new apper release have? [15:45] ScottK: DM very soon :) [15:45] it took some time to get my GPG-key signed by a DD [15:45] OK. Once you have DM status, it should be relatively easy to get per-package uploader rights for the packages you maintain in Debian. [15:45] (fortunately there were some at Desktopsummit) [15:46] ximion: 0.7.0 [15:46] that would be cool! [15:46] dantti: ok [15:46] If it's only certain packages, PPU is easier than MOTU to get. [15:47] ScottK: As long as I get sponsors for my packages, DM and PPU is enough, I guess. [15:48] can I set bug priorities on LP with PPU? [15:48] (I so much want to do this to organize the bug-flood on LP. for PK, I finally managed to get it down to less than 10 reports *yay*) [15:50] to set the importance you need to get direct or indirect membership to ubuntu bug-control. [15:50] note that upstream developers or bug triagers can get that pretty easy [15:50] just poke in #ubuntu-bugs [15:51] ScottK: where are we going to put 4.7.2 for oneiric? PPA or oneiric-updates? [15:52] ximion: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl [15:52] yofel: thanks - I didn't know that [15:53] heh, I'm doing stuff for Ubuntu for 3 years now and I'm still missing the basics [15:53] (focused on Debian the past two years) [16:02] yofel: I think -proposed/updates [16:02] yofel: pimlibs/pim/pim-runtime are already in. [16:02] k [16:03] The rest should still go in the PPA first for testing. === allee_ is now known as allee [16:39] is someone here interested in uploading Apper to Ubuntu for me? [16:39] --> http://dantti.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/apper-kpackagekit-reworked-part-i/ [16:40] Anyone else having issues with launchpad? [16:40] Quintasan: Can you upload Apper? [17:01] ScottK: I can [17:03] ScottK: Uhh, can we get something like FFE now? [17:14] Quintasan: I'll have the package ready tomorrow, when dantti is ready. [17:14] (there are some issues to be resolved now...) [17:15] ximion: Unfortunately, tomorrow I will be in Kraków to attend a meeting with consul to get my visa. You'd want to ask someone else then [17:15] ScottK: how long do I have time with this? [17:16] eh blabla... how long can we wait with uploading Apper? [17:16] Not too long I presume [17:16] Since the Final Freeze is in effect [17:32] * Sput thinks it'll be weird to be calling the next release "Precise" [17:34] Quintasan: I guess you won't be back so early... [17:42] I do like the Pangolin though... [17:43] debfx: I am not quite sure why it does not work though [17:44] Have we started doing any blueprints for precise yet? [17:45] evening [17:49] apachelogger: in startkde we set export KDEDIRS=/usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/:/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/ [17:49] maybe we need to do the same in lowfat if KDEDIRS is empty [17:49] no, the solution is to not have that in startkde :P [17:49] anywho... [17:49] it also doesnt work for the desktop [17:49] apachelogger: no, I mean appending the k-d-s path [17:50] hmmmm [17:50] not sure [17:50] also that would not help with the kwin problem [17:50] assuming netbook-default-settings actually overrides k-d-s [17:56] Quintasan: Yes. FFe is granted (still file the bug to document it) [17:56] Quintasan: Since it's Universe we need to have it in by the end of the weekend. Sooner is better. [17:58] Sput: I agree, but at least I can spell it. [18:00] apachelogger: appending the k-d-s path seems to work [18:02] * debfx uploads low-fat again [18:11] debfx: that is odd enough [19:03] wendar: Ok, done, you should get an invoice (or how else you called that) tomorrow :) [19:03] Quintasan: okay, great! [19:04] * Darkwing chuckles [19:04] wendar: I'll be going to Krakow tomorrow so if something very urgent pops out you can ask apachelogger for my phone number. [19:05] * Quintasan heads to bed [19:05] Quintasan: thanks [19:05] Gotta get up at 03:00 in the morning -_- [19:05] :( [19:05] * Quintasan == off [19:05] lord of the numbers [19:05] Quintasan: nini [19:10] bulldog98: pink pink [19:14] debfx: Accepted too. [19:31] !find arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump [19:31] File arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump found in binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi [19:32] !find arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump oneiric [19:32] File arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump found in binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [19:41] * yofel notes that bulldog98's error messages in khighestversion are supreme unhelpful [19:42] at least implement -h -.- [20:05] doomsday [20:06] error messages area always unhelpful [20:06] that is why the bat scripts had an entire framework :P [20:06] well, then at least of handling an error and being unhelpful the scripts should just crash [20:06] *instead of [20:08] is it written in python? [20:10] nope, ruby [20:11] no chance of crashing then [20:17] * Darkwing wishes there was a way to track updates to reigon. [20:18] to .. what? [20:19] Well, if we knew who was using our prodect we would better be able to know how to market our prodect. [20:19] I know that this walks a very fine line... [20:20] oh, you mean region? [20:20] Yeah, sorry... [20:21] * Darkwing ponders [20:21] the only thing I can think of is getting some download stats from the PPA. IIRC the database stores the country the packages were downloaded from. [20:21] but I don't think there's something like that for the rest of the servers. [20:23] Yeah, I wanted to build some user statistics and be able to better "guess" the needs/uses of Kubuntu before they know it based on users, uses and region. [20:24] yay, flash 11 is in the partner archive. no more i386 on my system :D [20:25] debfx: I've just been going to adobe for it. [20:25] and copy the .so and place it where I need/want it. [20:32] flash? what is this then? [20:32] apachelogger: Who did you request for a roomie? :P:P [20:33] no one yet [21:15] * Darkwing facepalms [21:15] I wonder who does the CD artwork? [21:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#A11.10_artwork [21:16] The sleeve isn't bad but... the CD disk itself is the Ubuntu logo blue. [21:20] wtf? Warning /!\ Kubuntu FRONT PDF is 80MB. All others are sensible sizes in the range 150 kB to 3.2 MB. [21:22] Darkwing: true... [21:22] someone summon sheytan like yesterday [21:45] uh-oh, I'm noticing mobile broadband might be borked in oneiriic kubuntu; has anybody else had issues establishing 3g connections? [21:53] I had a kernel panic using both ubuntu and kubuntu 11.04amd64-bit on an x120e thinkpad machine. it froze, so I'm going to have to power it off, but I want to know if you can derive anything useful before I do so [21:54] Linkmaster: #ubuntu-kernel [21:54] thanks [21:57] cyphermox: I've tethered through my Android phone and that worked. Does that count? === Linkmaster is now known as Crash_Override === Crash_Override is now known as Linkmaster [22:07] evening guys :) Do any of you ever go bug hunting in launchpad? [22:08] I'm having extraordinary difficulty getting this thing to do a search, I just want all the bugs which have been reported in the last 24 hours, and i can't figure out how to do it. I just get a list of recently reported bugs which spans back about 10 minutes :P [22:08] no idea [22:08] * apachelogger never had that use case [22:10] aha, nvm, i think i've twigged on how to do it :) [22:19] ScottK: no, tethering shows up as an ethernet device :/ [22:19] This does. [22:19] OK. [22:19] I'll try to get my hands on an other 3g device, in case it's just this one [22:19] but it works just fine with nm-applet [22:19] One other thing, are we allowed to leave personal messages on the bug reports, as opposed to using boilerplate ones? I just left a comment on a bug reported by some guy who turned the bug title into a rant... [22:20] (I'm using it right now, stuck in traffic :/ [22:20] I am not entirely sure now whether I should have done this. [22:20] cyphermox: Upstream has suggested we update to a new snapshot for our NM. [22:20] It would be worthwhile to pull from the upstream git and see it that's better. [22:20] BarkingFish: Search in LP sucks. [22:20] If someone could check what I put here, and make sure I've not crossed the line, i'd appreciate it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/869470 [22:20] Ubuntu bug 869470 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Software center freezes/stuck/grayed out during download" [Undecided,New] [22:20] ScottK, tell me about it. [22:21] ok; I can give it a shot here, later when I don't have a download cap [22:21] It sucks, blows, chokes and pukes at the same time, ScottK [22:21] kubotu: order beer [22:21] * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer. [22:21] I wish we had a bugzilla personally :P [22:21] BarkingFish: seems good enough, the comment that is [22:22] k, thanks apachelogger [22:22] besides, you cannot write more unfriendly comments than I :P [22:22] I had to edit the title too - the statement you see at the top of the bug text is what he originally put as the title :) [22:22] ScottK: btw, thanks for all the hints and help this cycle; much appreciated (and I'll happily repay in beer) [22:22] apachelogger, I wouldn't place a bet on that. [22:23] cyphermox: Unfortunately I won't be at UDS. [22:23] I have a temper shorter than a mosquito's knob in winter, and I'm not afraid to use it :) [22:23] lol [22:23] BarkingFish: do bug triage for some years and then look back at this moment :P [22:23] ScottK: very unfortunate, yes [22:24] ubuntu bug reports can really make you go whoop whooooop [22:24] apachelogger, trust me. If I was anymore cuckoo than I am now, I'd be moved to switzerland and employed in a clock somewhere [22:37] re bug 867737, maybe for the short term (11.10) we should bump up the polkit-kde-1 | policykit-1-gnome depenency to just polkit-kde-1 for our packages [22:37] Launchpad bug 867737 in polkit-kde-1 (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu desktop missing dependency on polkit-kde-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867737 [22:37] I've posted what I think could be a longer-term solution in the bug [22:38] JontheEchidna: TLDR [22:38] apachelogger: basically, both the gnome and kde polkit frontends should work in $DE [22:39] but they're only autostarted in their respective DE with OnlyShowIn in their .desktop files [22:39] that could be dropped, and only one would register as the official uber polkit overlord [22:39] uhm [22:39] JontheEchidna: why not have a service and have dbus launch it? [22:40] dunno, ask polkit :P [22:41] but currently, packages depending on a polkit frontend assume either will work with an or dependency on the two frontends [22:41] I mean, if they use the same dbus interface you could just have any ui autostart in their desktops and if none was started dbus will start the service [22:41] that said kubuntu-desktop should drag in polkit-kde for integration reasons [22:41] the release schedule says "Release Candidate" for today, is there actually one planned or is that just for confusion? [22:42] explicitly seeding it definitely wouldn't hurt, but people might install KDE softwares from Ubuntu, and wonder why they don't work [22:42] so we'll need a longer term fix eventually [22:43] Riddell: confusion I think [22:44] JontheEchidna: why does it not simply use the gnome polkit ui? [22:44] the gnome auth daemon isn't starting at startup due to OnlyShowIn=Gnome in the .desktop file [22:44] and the KDE auth daemon won't start in gnome [22:45] they are not talking to each other and are getting a divorce :'( [22:45] I am confused [22:45] what is the scenario here? [22:45] user runs ubuntu or user runs kubuntu? [22:46] gnome user runs KDE app needing polkit in gnome, or KDE user runs gnome app in kde [22:46] confusing [22:46] SO [22:46] if you run gnome [22:46] won't the gnome polkit ui be installed and runnin? [22:47] yes [22:47] unless you also have KDE installed, and try to run a gnome app in thar [22:47] ok, I really do not get the problem [22:48] gnome session -> gnome polit ui -> kde app uses that ui [22:48] kde session -> kde polkit ui -> gnome app uses that ui [22:48] no? [22:48] if you install KDE after gnome the kde polkit ui won't be installed [22:48] right [22:48] BUG [22:49] righ there [22:49] and the gnome one you already have won't autostart in KDE [22:49] plasma-desktop needs to depend on polit-kde [22:49] or whatever thing provides the plasma kde session [22:51] either one could be made to work perfectly fine in the other DE, removing the need for an extra dependency, tho [22:52] (by removing the autostart restriction) [22:53] BUG [22:53] "in me gnome I have an alien dialog that asks me for auth, I am so not giving it auth" [22:53] with QGtkStyle it'll look native [22:53] with oxygen-gtk it'll look native [22:53] "canonical should fix their stuff !! or go back to sudo !!" [22:54] JontheEchidna: except qgtkstyle is not used by default for kde apps [22:54] BUG [22:54] except oxygen-gtk does still look alien [22:54] except icons in kde apps are oxygen wherea s in gnome apps the are human [22:55] eh, doesn't look too bad to me: http://i.imgur.com/CFse3.png [22:55] if there was some way to control which registered first, that'd fix that too [22:57] on registers per DS [22:57] kde ui only registers in KDE [22:57] gnome ui only registers in gnome [22:58] s/on/one/ [22:58] apachelogger meant: "gnome ui onely registers in gnome" [22:58] oh, fail \p/ [22:58] more fail [22:58] wow, the gnomie frontend actually stays in front of the window being auth'd [22:59] polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1++ [23:03] calculus homework time, bbl