[00:46] <carrfane> hello, my name is hector, im new here
[00:47] <carrfane> anybody there?
[00:51] <caravan> hello
[00:52] <caravan> i would like to ask something
[00:52] <caravan> any1?
[00:53] <phillw> caravan: do not ask to ask... please just ask. If one of us are about, we will answer. If not.. please use the topic :)
[01:08] <anthropologist> Hey folks. I've got a nVidia GeForce 7300 that I am trying to use to set up a dual desktop under Lubuntu 11.04. If I install the 3rd party nVidia drivers, Lubuntu freezes on startup. Google has indicated to me that the current nVidia drivers don't work with the GeForce 7300, and that those cards are on a "blackout list". Is there a work-around, or should I try to dig up another video card?
[02:37] <wxl> why can't i find kernel module ide-scsi on this god-forsaken alternate cd? sigh. every which way i'm screwed!
[03:03] <phillw> wxl: that will be because it is not installed? scsi?...... oh dear me!
[03:03] <wxl> supposedly modprobe ide-scsi should solve the problem
[03:04] <wxl> unfortunately it can't find the module
[03:04] <wxl> siiiiiiiigh
[03:04] <wxl> is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/lubuntu-meta the correct location for bug reporting?
[03:05] <jmarsden> wxl: What makes you believe you need the ide-scsi module?  From memory, that module has not existed in Linux kernels for a few years now... or else I'm confusing it with something else...
[03:08] <jmarsden> wxl: A quick Google suggests that using ide-scsi was deprecated as far back as 2004.  It is not there any more... why do you think you need it?
[03:26] <wxl> jmarsden: i can't find anything current that's for sure
[03:27] <wxl> jmarsden: but the fact is it can't detect the cd and it doesn't seem to be in the device tree
[03:28] <jmarsden> 2.6 and 3.0 kernels do not use ide-scsi to detect optical drives.  Any info you find suggesting ide-scsi is from the old days of 2.4 kernels, as far as I know.
[03:28] <wxl> fine with me, so what do you suggest? :D
[03:28] <jmarsden> Try a different optical drive, if you have another?
[03:29] <wxl> nope
[03:29] <jmarsden> Or a different data cable?
[03:29] <wxl> the drive works fine
[03:29] <wxl> obviously
[03:29] <wxl> it booted
[03:31] <wxl> looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/powerpc/boot-troubleshooting.html i see no real relevant info in dmesg or syslog
[03:31] <wxl> in syslog there is cdrom-detect: Unmounting CD just to be sure
[03:32] <wxl> nothing else of relevance
[03:32] <wxl> dev doesn't have anything-- hdc, sr0, sd*, cdrom, nothing
[03:32] <wxl> so manually mounting ain't going to help
[03:32] <wxl> for that matter there's no /proc/ide
[03:33] <wxl> so checking dma won't help
[03:33] <jmarsden> wxl: OK, so the drive you booted from is not being seen; sorry if that should have been obvious, I did not read all the earlier part of the conversation when I got to my PC.
[03:33] <jmarsden> Maybe there is a PPC-specific driver module for IDE optical devices??
[03:33] <wxl> that would be interesting
[03:35] <wxl> of course it might be here (it's not) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues
[03:35] <jmarsden> I'm not PPC-oriented enough to know... you could see if the folks in #debianppc can help, although they may decide not to help because you are not running Debian...
[03:37] <jmarsden> wxl: Have you tried an Lubuntu 11.10 beta or daily PPC image, or only 11.04 ?
[03:37] <wxl> my only choice is 11.10
[03:38] <wxl> (from what i can find)
[03:39] <jmarsden> OK... you could see whether the same issue exists in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-powerpc-CD-1.iso perhaps?
[03:40] <wxl> sigh
[03:40] <jmarsden> Keeping older hardware alive takes work... if you don't enjoy it, buy a modern cheap PC and be done with it :)
[03:41] <wxl> well i can tell you without a doubt the problemS i had with the ubiquity installer had NOTHINg to do with the hardware
[03:42] <jmarsden> wxl: well, I can tell you without a doubt that most users of x86 PCs trying out Ubuntu do not start looking for ide-scsi ...
[03:42]  * freedom07 loves getting the most out of old hardware
[03:42] <wxl> so let me run down the list of issues with the ubiquity installer:
[03:43] <wxl> about 20 packages needed updating
[03:43] <jmarsden> That's a problem with ubiquity??
[03:43] <jmarsden> How come?
[03:43] <wxl> including python-gobject
[03:43] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/856669
[03:43] <jmarsden> packages needing updating are an issue with the overall state of the Ubunut repositories, not with one particular installer, aren't they?
[03:44] <jmarsden> *Ubuntu
[03:44] <wxl> and then to make matters worse (this being insurmountable) choose-mirror is messed up leaving for a default mirror fqdn of "mirror" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/756719
[03:44] <wxl> my point is it's not a hardware issue
[03:45] <jmarsden> My point is that you need to be clear when reporting issues.
[03:46] <jmarsden> Hmmm, bug #756719 claims to have been fixed months ago...
[03:46] <wxl> indeed it does
[03:47] <wxl> but i'll be damned if the syslog doesn't show it searching around in http://mirror/path/to/nowhere
[03:48] <jmarsden> OK... rmadison shows the supposedly-fixed release as being in Oneiric:  choose-mirror | 2.38ubuntu2 | oneiric/main/debian-installer | all
[03:48] <wxl> perhaps it has somehow not made it's way to the ppc lubuntu variant
[03:49] <jmarsden> if the bug is still there, you might want to post a comment to that bug saying so, and attaching relevant log entries.
[03:49] <jmarsden> Lubuntu use the same repositories as all other variants.  PPC uses the same repositories as other CPU architectures.
[03:49]  * wxl shrugs
[03:49] <wxl> you tell me why it's not there then
[03:50] <jmarsden> I'm working on it!!
[03:50] <jmarsden> I can't trouble shoot a regression in a CPu arch I don't have here instantly :)
[03:51] <phillw> wxl: jmarsden I went through through this earlier and asked wxl to try alternate with 11,10. He reported it was going okay?
[03:51] <wxl> no, phillw .. the alternate cd can't detect the cdrom
[03:51] <wxl> i went through all sorts of hassle to try to get to the bottom of that to no avail
[03:52] <wxl> so basically the two available installation options don't work
[03:52] <jmarsden> I'd expect the choose-mirror issue can be worked around with some patience and switching to a shell at the appropriate place during the install process...
[03:53] <wxl> i would think so too but can't find enough info on it to test that out
[03:53] <phillw> jmarsden: the choose mirror can be, but if the alt is failing, it needs re-flagging.
[03:53] <wxl> i would also think there's a config file like sources.list where that "mirror" derives from
[03:54] <jmarsden> wxl: Hmmm?  Read the source code for choose-mirror, see what it is supposed to do automatically, and do that my hand... what do you mean "can't find enough info on it" ?  The sources are insufficient?
[03:55] <wxl> i was hoping for something more along the lines of documentation.
[03:56] <jmarsden> wxl: There is probably a man page in the choose-mirror source package, did you look?
[03:57] <jmarsden> Hmmm, well, close... there is a README file, at least :)
[03:57] <wxl> yeah i think i found that
[03:57] <wxl> didn't seem to find anything useful in scanning through it
[03:58] <jmarsden> Well, it says the function of choose-mirror is to set 3 debconf variables.  So worst case you set those by hand to whatever you need, instead of letting choose-mirror do it... right?
[03:59] <wxl> gotta find that read me again
[04:00] <jmarsden> mkdir -p /tmp/choose-mirror ; cd /tmp/choose-mirror ; apt-get source choose-mirror ; cd cho* ; less README
[04:05] <wxl> interesting
[04:05] <wxl> i remember this now
[04:06] <wxl> i got around the issue with pygobject by installing python-gobject
[04:06] <wxl> but could not figure out any way to install choose-mirror
[04:06] <wxl> can't find it
[04:07] <jmarsden> To read the README, you just need to download and unpack the source package, no actual need to install choose-mirror for that.
[04:07] <wxl> that's my point though
[04:07] <wxl> it couldn't install because it couldn't find it
[04:07] <wxl> similarly, it can't grab the source because it can't find it
[04:08] <wxl> so mayhap therein lies my problem
[04:08] <jmarsden> You can grab the sources on some other machine, not the PPC one you are trying to install onto.  Do you really have no working computers at all that can download files from the Internet?  If not, how are you connected to IRC??
[04:09] <wxl> telekinesis
[04:09] <jmarsden> OK, so teleport the README into your brain and you will be all set :)
[04:09] <wxl> again, the point is i have no problem installing all sorts of things nor any problem connecting to the internet on the ppc machine
[04:09] <jmarsden> Then you can read that README :)
[04:10] <wxl> let's put it to you this way-- you can apt-get install choose-mirror?
[04:11] <jmarsden> No, but did you try the commands I suggested earlier?  They worked for me here.
[04:11] <wxl> curious still
[04:11] <wxl> apt-get source choose-mirror fails
[04:11] <wxl> it can't find the package
[04:12] <jmarsden> OK.  Works for me on Ubuntu 10.04.2.  I'll retry in a Oneiric VM in a moment.
[04:14] <jmarsden> mkdir -p /tmp/choose-mirror ; cd /tmp/choose-mirror ; apt-get source choose-mirror ; cd cho* ; less README   # works for me in Lubuntu 11.10 Beta2 with updates.
[04:14] <jmarsden> What Ubuntu variant are you running on which it fails?
[04:14] <wxl> 11.10
[04:15] <wxl> and of course it tis Lubuntu ;D
[04:16] <wxl> grabbed it 30 sept
[04:16] <jmarsden> OK... sudo apt-get update    and try again?
[04:16] <wxl> i guess i could burn yet another
[04:16] <wxl> already did
[04:17] <jmarsden> What is the exact error you are getting from apt-get source choose-mirror ?
[04:18] <wxl> E: Unable to find a source package for choose-mirror
[04:19] <jmarsden> Does it do that for all source packages?  Or only choose-mirror?
[04:19] <wxl> just choose-mirror
[04:20] <jmarsden> Strange.  Which mirror are you using for source packages?
[04:21] <wxl> i.e. what is sources.list, right?
[04:22] <jmarsden> Yes.  grep deb-src /etc/apt/sources.list | grep main
[04:22] <wxl> cuz there we have 3 pointers to ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[04:22] <wxl> all of which include main
[04:22] <wxl> as does the cdrom
[04:24] <jmarsden> Oh... that's not a "normal" official Ubuntu repo mirror... if you switch to us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu does it then let you get the choose-mirror sources?
[04:26] <jmarsden> Although http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/c/choose-mirror/choose-mirror_2.38ubuntu2.tar.gz works fine for me...
[04:27] <jmarsden> As does    dget -u -x http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/c/choose-mirror/choose-mirror_2.38ubuntu2.dsc
[04:27] <jmarsden> So that *looks* OK.
[04:27] <wxl> you're sudidn't work
[04:27] <wxl> oops
[04:27] <wxl> still same error
[04:27] <jmarsden> OK.  Does this work for you (in a temp directory somewhere):  dget -u -x http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/c/choose-mirror/choose-mirror_2.38ubuntu2.dsc
[04:29] <wxl> heh
[04:29] <wxl> now can't find wget
[04:29] <wxl> or dget
[04:29] <jmarsden> I thought you said you had a working machine with Internet access... :)
[04:30] <wxl> rather dget isn't on here and can't find the package
[04:30] <wxl> wget is here
[04:30] <wxl> and it connectts to ports.ubuntu.com
[04:30] <wxl> but 404s
[04:30] <jmarsden> Ah, dget is part of devscripts
[04:30] <wxl> ah my fault
[04:30] <wxl> typo
[04:30] <wxl> no problem with wget
[04:31] <jmarsden> So the mirror has the file, and you have access to the files at that URL... so why doesn't apt know about them?  Either its database is corrupted or it is not configured correctly??
[04:31] <wxl> yeah i'm clueless
[04:35] <jmarsden> Does   apt-get source choose-mirror --print-uris     provide any additional clues?
[04:36] <wxl> sadly same message
[04:37] <wxl> i moved the flag around just in case the syntax was wrong-- no change
[04:38] <jmarsden> No, that syntax works here :)   OK, in the name of science I'll set my Lubuntu VM to use that ports repo and see what happens...
[04:42] <jmarsden> Works fine for me.
[04:42] <wxl> hilarious
[04:42] <jmarsden> So it is not that ports mirror, it is something local to your machine(s) that is causing the issue, as far as I can tell.
[04:43] <wxl> how old is that iso of yours?
[04:44] <jmarsden> Which one?  I am running Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS as my host OS, and Lubuntu 11.10 updated as of an hour ago in a VM.
[04:44] <jmarsden> Host is amd64, VM is i386
[04:45] <jmarsden> I *could* try setting up a PPC VM using qemu, but I don't think that is exactly trivial...
[04:45] <Unit193> You could always go with PearPC :P
[04:46] <wxl> oh never used that
[04:46] <jmarsden> I've heard of it but never tried it...
[04:46] <wxl> qemu kind of sucks
[04:46] <wxl> i mean it works but it's a PITA to get set up
[04:56] <phillw> wxl: don't stress jmarsden He can stress himself enough. jmarsden if you two think the bug still exists from https://launchpad.net/bugs/756719 then resurrect it
[04:56] <phillw> it is possible that is a regression
[04:57] <jmarsden> phillw: Well, I can't tell if it still exists, I have not reproduced it... but wxl could reopen the bug, I already suggested that.
[04:58] <wxl> working on it
[04:58] <jmarsden> phillw: Re stress... I'm going AFK in ~2 minutes anyway, since I promised my wife I would... :)
[04:59] <phillw> I was going to bed 5 hours ago... I promised my body :P ... I'll hang on... you got loom after your better half
[04:59] <M0hi> lol
[05:00] <M0hi> I promised my Bed, that I ll never get away from it. But now, @ Ofiice :[
[05:00] <jmarsden> Goodnight all... :)
[05:00] <phillw> tc, jmarsden
[05:01] <M0hi> g'nite jmarsden
[06:30] <Linda_> any kind soul wants to help me with my wifi connection :))))
[09:47] <android> anyone have working realtec wireless connection?
[09:56] <android> i like lubuntu but going back to windows if the realtec wifi device cant be installed
[09:56] <android> SUCKS!
[09:59] <emce_PL> what kind of device do you mean?
[10:00] <bioterror> android, it's so related to chipset what they use
[10:00] <bioterror> if that's usb dongle or something, you can always purchase another ;)
[10:01] <bioterror> but if that's integrated, it's a another case
[10:01] <android> F### im new to linux whats the shell command for ethernet device lpchs something
[10:02] <bioterror> lspci |less
[10:02] <bioterror> more example
[10:02] <bioterror> lsusb | less
[10:02] <android> thx
[10:02] <bioterror> also: sudo lshw |less
[10:02] <m6locks> my usb dongle worked out of the box with lubuntu
[10:03] <m6locks> it was that very basic model by huawei
[10:03] <android> this one seems computer cant fint it...........RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[10:04] <emce_PL> check if you have jockey-gtk installed
[10:04] <m6locks> might need some precompiled modules installed for kernel
[10:04] <emce_PL> it should find all neccesary drivers if Lubuntu hasn't them
[10:06] <android> yes thats installed
[10:08] <android> using cable now eth0 when i click on that icon it says Driver8139too
[10:13] <emce_PL> then download it and jockey wil do the rest
[10:18] <android> what? it says im already running driver8139too ????? but im on cable does it interfer with each other or whaaat?
[10:21] <emce_PL> paste what lcpci | grep network says
[10:29] <android> couldnt find the command
[10:32] <M0hi> lspci
[10:32] <M0hi> android: lspci | grep network
[10:39] <android> found some stuff
[10:39] <android> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[10:39] <android> thats all over n out :)))))))))))
[10:40] <android> lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[10:41] <android> done must reebooooott
[10:49] <android> yep there is a blue light !!
[10:50] <android> i like linux .....5 min i grabbeb my windows cd :)))))
[10:51] <android> getting the hang ov it the stuff happens i n terminal!!!!!!!
[10:53] <android> my wep has 23 digits is that 40/128 ???????????
[10:53] <bioterror> should 128bit WEP
[11:18] <android> my mistake was 26 digits but have a working wifi :))))
[11:22] <emce_PL> congrats!
[11:22] <emce_PL> it wasn't so hard, was it?
[11:22] <emce_PL> "just a little help from my friends" ;)
[11:24] <android> thx alot really ,but my mistake thought realtec 8139 was my device but it was broadcom that was the wifi device :(( but its running now!!
[11:25] <emce_PL> one must live long to know , one must live long to learn
[11:25] <android> yes thats right......does virtualbox work in lubuntu?
[11:26] <emce_PL> sure does
[11:26] <emce_PL> like a charm
[11:26] <emce_PL> with almost every OS :)
[11:27] <android> must install it play around with my android phone :))
[11:29] <android> lubuntu is not in that list at virtualbox.org
[11:29] <emce_PL> but ubuntu is, and from some time it's almost the same
[11:31] <android> wich version should i run
[12:03] <xsaidx> hello guys
[12:05] <xsaidx> phillw: i solved my iso has nethin wong my lame 3g modem who was doin all this mess , when i launch its gui it gets laucnhed as root so when it gets connected he laucnh the browser as root so yeah and now im workin with my old modem and all its fine : ] thnaks guys for you help
[12:13] <android> need get root user
[12:13] <android> how
[12:13] <emce_PL> sudo -i
[12:13] <android> thx
[12:13] <emce_PL> passwd
[12:13] <emce_PL> a next you can use su
[12:16] <android> virtualbox dont work this is what i should installas root user..........'/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[12:17] <emce_PL> sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[12:17] <emce_PL> and then you give your password
[12:20] <android> ehhehe i dont have patient for this ...im new to linux :)))       sudo apt-get install dkms
[12:21] <emce_PL> it's obvious for someone more experienced
[12:22] <android> guess so :)) try virtualbox again then
[12:30] <android> no it dont work .....should i download otherversion or what
[12:31] <emce_PL> have you rebooted your PC?
[12:32] <android> no
[12:32] <android> hehe il do that !
[12:32] <emce_PL> then do it
[14:24] <supersafra> ¿hay alguien ahí?
[14:26] <supersafra> Bueno, no se esto servirá de algo ...
[14:27] <supersafra> Estoy buscando temas para lubuntu 11.
[14:29] <Unit193> !es | supersafra
[14:29] <supersafra> gracias ubot5, voy a intentarlo
[15:27] <android> ok have virtualbox working and im running gentoo from livecd its finish loading and stands livecd~#           ???? then what
[16:15] <bazer> hello
[16:18] <wxl> so debian ppc installer picked up on my cdrom no problem.. no go on the lubuntu alternate installer.. could i go to virtual terminal, run list of installed modules with modprobe and then try to install with alternate or am i making it way too simplified? i guess there's also the possibility the module isn't present on the lubuntu cd..
[16:20] <stlsaint> wxl: sorry i cant be of much help but check to make sure your not using a beta iso
[16:21] <wxl> no such luck for us lone ppc'ers
[16:21] <wxl> it's beta or nada
[16:51] <grifo74> hello how i configure my multimedia buttons, exist any software to make this
[16:52] <wxl> which do you mean grifo74 ?
[16:54] <grifo74> my pc is portable and i like to configure multimedia keys to up or down volume
[16:54] <grifo74> exemple
[16:54] <wxl> ooohhhhh
[16:54] <wxl> good question, that
[16:55] <bioterror> lubuntu should have them by default
[16:55] <grifo74> i dont find in lubuntu
[16:56] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476937 may help
[16:56] <grifo74> in ubuntu they have software for this default bu i'm like lxde
[16:56] <wxl> there's many things that "software" doesn't exist for in lxde
[16:56] <grifo74> i go read thanks
[16:56] <wxl> where you have to modify config files by hand
[16:58] <m6locks> xmodmap
[16:59] <m6locks> or xbindkeys
[17:02] <m6locks> with xmodmap: first xev, press the multimediakeys to get the numers, then xmodmap -e 'keycode <thatkeycodeyoujustlookedup> = event_in_X'
[17:03] <m6locks> not sure about the events though
[17:04] <m6locks> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Configuring_keyboards#Enabling_Keyboard_Multimedia_Keys
[17:33] <grifo74> i find keytouch and wor fine on my pc
[17:34] <grifo74> i go restar now to see if they work after restart
[18:08] <new2lubuntu> hye guys cant figure out if this is hardware or software related.. trying to hook vga from lappy to tv,  tv not recognizing vga or lappy. running lubuntu.. am i missing some drivers?
[18:12] <bioterror> hook that vga to monitor
[18:12] <bioterror> if it works, problem lies in tv
[18:15] <new2lubuntu> good thinking.
[18:41] <android> does compiz work with lubuntu??
[18:42] <bioterror> why not
[18:43] <android> have installed it and cant see any icon or so ?
[18:44] <zaoka> I love Lubuntu, first Linux that I really love!
[18:45] <zaoka> Does anybody know how to add shortcut of the main user folder on desktop?
[18:46] <android> only differens is the emarald theme thingy?
[18:46] <bioterror> you mean you want "Home" folder on your desktop?
[18:46] <bioterror> zaoka,
[18:46] <zaoka> yes
[18:47] <bioterror> make shortcut that launches "pcmanfm ~/"
[18:47] <zaoka> how?
[18:47] <zaoka> I dont see a way to create shorcuts
[18:48] <bioterror> you can make a .desktop -file with text editor or you can use lxshortcut or what was that program
[18:48] <zaoka> ok
[18:49] <zaoka> also before when I right click desktop I had different menu, now I got that openbox menu, what did I do and how to revert back?
[18:58] <zaoka> anybody?
[19:13] <apanda`> ahoi. could anyone pastebin their /.config/openbox
[19:13] <apanda`> ok lets try that again
[19:14] <apanda`> i need the ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml please, mine was destroyed when the hd was full
[19:19] <android> try to install compiz fusion..........removed emarald theme and reboot have now an icon with an arrow compiz then what?
[19:29] <android> howdy hoo dont be shy ::))
[19:30] <android> opps seems i forgott a few files 144 of them :))
[20:13] <hector> good afternoon
[20:13] <hector> anybody there, im new in lubuntu
[20:13] <wxl> here
[20:16] <zaoka> hello
[20:24] <hector> anyone can help me installing theme for lxde
[20:24] <hector> ?
[20:54] <wxl> http://maketecheasier.com/theme-up-lubuntu/2011/02/11 << hector
[21:00] <zaoka> what is the problem?
[21:00] <wxl> 06:Oct:11|13:24 < hector:#lubuntu> anyone can help me installing theme for lxde
[21:00] <wxl> 06:Oct:11|13:24 < hector:#lubuntu> ?
[21:02] <zaoka> start OpenBox, you can install from there
[22:28] <wxl> running an x86 virtual machine here and ocelot installer's working fab, so that choose-mirror bug jmarsden and i were wrestling over is indeed specific to ppc
[23:25] <xsaidx> hello guys