=== Jack87|Away is now known as Jack87 === Jack87 is now known as Jack87|Away === Jack87|Away is now known as Jack87 [01:43] infinity, ping? [01:58] jcrigby: Sup? [01:58] infinity, I had a question really stupid question google did not help [01:58] but I figured it out [01:59] Now I'm curious. :) [01:59] to target -proposed in an upload you just put the -proposed in the changelong [01:59] duh [01:59] oneiric-proposed [01:59] I didn't know that [02:00] This is me not laughing. [02:00] now I am [02:02] it finally occured to me when I saw some -proposed names listed with other release names and then I realized its just a different release sorta [02:02] hmm. trying to set up my new mx53 with oneiric but all of these instructions seem to assume you're flashing stuff onto the microsd card instead of installing from, like, the same machine. [02:02] is this possible at all? :) [02:02] or do I need to get a second computer with an sd reader involved [02:02] dash: If you have a micro->regular SD adaptor, you can write to the SD from the same machine. :P [02:02] dash, quick start has two card slots [02:03] dash: But our installer is meant to install from microSD, yes. [02:03] jcrigby: You can only boot from micro. [02:04] sorry, I mean: it's booted from the microsd card [02:04] i don't see how to install a new kernel from there, though. [02:05] the postinst script for the kernel package fails [02:05] Installing a new kernel on the Freescale-provided image is non-trivial. [02:05] aaah. [02:05] It's sitting in raw unpartitioned space. [02:05] okay that makes sense. [02:05] You're better off using our image, which is much more sane. :P [02:05] so i shouild reflash it with a linaro image and then do things. [02:05] great, now i get it. :D [02:05] s/linaro/ubuntu/ [02:06] infinity: oh. OK cool [02:06] * infinity notes the channel name. [02:06] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/oneiric-preinstalled-desktop-armel+mx5.img.gz [02:06] infinity: nice [02:06] Or if you wanted server.... [02:06] Oh. We don't do mx5 for server. [02:06] So, don't want that. [02:06] Enjoy the desktop image! ;) [02:06] hee [02:07] won't be the first desktop image I have deinstalled stuff from. :) [02:07] thanks! === Jack87 is now known as Jack87|Away [04:11] 11.10 looks pretty. painfully slow on SD [04:12] so far though, its working nice [04:16] sound service went belly up [04:16] sending a report ... slowly [04:17] obsolite package installed libodio [04:17] upgrade it and re-try [04:30] wonder if its easy to turn off video out on panda board to save some power [04:49] jcrigby: Any reason that u-boot went to -proposed? [04:50] jcrigby: If we want those 4460 fixes on images, we want them in the release pocket. Or did you figure it's too risky? [04:52] 11.10 is giving me troubles. refusing to install omap4 add ons [05:23] got it installed installing the omap4 meta package from a shell [05:42] Not that there's anything in the PPA for oneiric yet. [05:42] OH. That reminds me, we still point at the natty PPA. [05:42] Must fix. [05:42] Almost forgot. [05:44] that did not end well [05:44] rsalveti: I'm changing the default ti-omap4-ppa entry to point to oneiric. Would be really nice if there was a metapackage there to install. Hint, hint. [05:44] reboot and now i am console only [05:44] yeah [05:44] you mean in teh gui, the meta package that it cant find [05:44] MrCurious_: The ti-omap4-extras may have been a bad idea. [05:45] may may not be the right word [05:45] wanted to test usb speed [05:45] Just uninstall the packages and reboot. [05:45] but installing the omap addons borked it all [05:45] USB speed has nothing to do with the ti-omap stuff. [05:45] but gui speed does [05:45] Little bit. [05:45] they really want to both be there for my usb cam speed test [05:45] But such is life, until we get oneiric-compatible packages. [05:46] Which better be soon. [05:46] now i wonder if 10.04 has the usb fix [05:46] Not that I know of. [05:46] i think 10.04 does [05:46] but last i tried it, it had its own issues [05:47] anyone here know how to disable video out on pandaboard? i can champion this platform at work if it can go under 2 watts on average [05:48] No idea. [05:52] wonder how close the omap4 add ons are to being compatable [05:54] I'm going to go with "not very". [05:54] But we've been promised (repeatedly) that all that binary mess would be available for oneiric. [05:54] "disable video" -- cut the pins :P [05:54] I need to chase that up in the next week before release. [05:57] * janimo goes to bed, infinity is awake. janimo gets out of bed, infinity is awake [05:58] janimo: You missed the Canonical conference where I was given sleeping pills as a gag gift, clearly. [05:59] for sure I did [06:02] infinity: did they work? [06:02] twb: Dunno, didn't try 'em. === doko_ is now known as doko [07:00] jcrigby: While I'm pinging you with overnight questions, linux-meta-linaro is horribly out of date, and even if it wasn't, it'll not be vaguely broken because two linaro sources (s5pv310 and u8500) haven't been updated to 3.0.0-1007.9 [07:00] jcrigby: Can we either drop things you're no longer supporting, up upload new versions of those? :P [07:01] Are those packages the linaro kernel, built with stock ubuntu GCC? or built with linaro gcc? [07:08] Ubuntu GCC is Linaro GCC, more or less. [07:08] We pull from them. [07:09] What, even for non-arm people? [07:09] I'd have to look again, but I imagine doko has a massive from_linaro patch in the sources that's only applied on ARM builds. :P [07:09] So if I'm sitting on an amd64 lucid host, that *won't* include linaro code when I just run "cc foo", right? [07:10] infinity, no, applied everywhere [07:10] Checking that suspicion right now. [07:10] doko: Thanks. [07:10] twb: I was wrong. :0 [07:10] :) [07:10] doko: is that just ubuntu, or is that also debian? [07:10] ubuntu only [07:10] OK. [07:11] I have been building u-boot images with Debian armhf and armel chroots, and they don't do anything when I flash them, so my next step is to try linaro gcc [07:11] I guess I can do that from an ubuntu chroot instead, which will be much easier than having to download some cross-compiler tarball blob from linaro [07:12] Debian armel is armv4, so there might be differences. armhf has the same configury [07:13] doko: I don't understand. Are you saying that if Debian armhf gcc generates a broken u-boot.bin, then Ubuntu armel gcc is likely to also generate a broken u-boot.bin? [07:15] twb, I say that the configure command line is the same, ubuntu still has hardening enabled. I didn't check for anything else [07:15] OK [07:16] But the linaro patches might contain some workarounds for some funky errata on my tegra system, so I should still try it? [07:20] I didn't follow the start of the discussion. sure, you can try it. or you could rebuild the gcc-4.6 debian package, enabling the linaro changes [07:21] OK, thanks [07:21] (You missed the start of the discussion because that happened a week ago :-) [07:21] rsalveti, is qt4-x11 still built for armv6? see bug 791256 [07:21] Launchpad bug 791256 in binutils "qt4-x11 version 4:4.7.3-1ubuntu1 failed to build on armel: assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-arm.c:12008" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791256 [08:03] infinity, no swap on ac100 ... i dont want to trash peoples MMCs as they are non replaceable [08:07] NCommander, still around ? i need input on banshee pretty much now and there is no info on the bug about the status [08:26] infinity, ARGH ! thanks for the PPA fix, how could i miss that [09:06] hello everyone, where i can find the repository list for ubuntu-arm? :) [09:27] oh, he's gone already [09:29] anyone knows where can I buy a devboard ? [09:29] try pandaboard.org [09:31] tyvm :) [10:05] I can't get DVI output ... some help? [10:06] huge_: which board? [10:07] Panda [10:07] Omap4 image [10:07] Are you using the right output? [10:08] huge_: for me i get dvi out on the hdmi port [10:08] huge_: are you trying to use two monitors at once? [10:08] Only on the right port. The left one is HDMI-only. [10:08] i need to connect 2 displays ... HDMI display (HDMI port) DVI display DVI-P port [10:08] DVI-D [10:09] Not positive it supports driving both at once. [10:09] But it might. [10:09] Never tried. [10:10] i dont think it does atm [10:11] if i'd like to have only DVI Monitor? [10:11] it does not work too [10:12] so Can i connect only once monitor at once? [10:13] and only in HDMI output? [10:13] and also wich version are u using? [10:16] i tested the daily imx5 image on a imx53 quickstart board yesterday. some premissons are probably set wrong on that image , oem-setup completed sucessfully but what i observed was the following : 1. users cant run dmesg 2. dhclient cant set the routing table thus all networking was broken [10:17] ogra_: GrueMaster: do you test the imx5 image regulary? [10:18] xranby, janimo does, not sure how regular though [10:18] ok i will retest with todays image as well.. [10:19] xranby, I tested an image after beta2 but not regularly [10:19] I saw the same issues - I thought dmesg permission was a new ubuntu default so did not pay attention [10:20] IIRC there were discussions about turning it off. But I did not see it on other boards so likely a bug then [10:20] janimo: for me gui was.. dead slow.. possibly related to sdcard performance [10:20] and also I saw no network on first boot/install [10:20] xranby, both GrueMaster and I found it very very slow [10:21] janimo: for me the netfork information tool in the upper corner listed all obtained dhcp settings but it failed to actually setup the system wide global routing table and default gw [10:21] our kernel may be buggy, linaro has more than one mx53 flavoured kernel, we may have picked one that has been less tested. I think they are at 3.0 now with mx5 [10:21] after i entered the routing table manually network worked flawlessly [10:22] janimo: dot he board need some driver pack to enhance gui? [10:22] i think the lucid image that got shipped with the board was quite quick [10:22] and snappy [10:22] for gui stuff [10:26] xranby, indeed, that factory image is impressively fast [10:26] unfortunately freescale does not distribute their closed source graphics stack [10:26] oh.. :( how sad [10:26] so one cannot freely use it [10:27] indeed [10:27] i thought they did [10:27] only for commercial partners I think and without right to redistribution [10:27] I know there were various downloads on their sites but they may be incomplete [10:35] ogra_: can you reming me where alsa* settings where? [10:35] * xranby starts dig round on http://imxcommunity.org [10:35] ogra_: dist-upgraded this morning and the audio fix it _seems_ it's not there [10:35] ppisati, you mean which package or which path ? [10:35] ogra_: the path where the settings where stored [10:36] in /usr/share/alsa/ucm [10:36] ok [10:36] uhm, no [10:36] it was a different one last time [10:36] let me see if i can find it [10:38] /var/lib/alsa/asound.state that's it [10:39] ppisati: oh so i can somehow use this if i messed up the mixer settings on the ac100 ? [10:45] xranby: remeber to axe it in single user mode [10:46] xranby: it's regenerated during shutdown [10:46] ppisati: sos boot to the rescue.. will try axe it and see what happens === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [11:40] ppisati: \o/ i hear sound again! thanks axing that file fixed [11:41] i somehow messed up when testing to use xfce4-mixer [11:45] im quite impressed that runescape.com actually runs on the ac100 using software rendering .. but it could need some opengl-es acceleration [12:04] xranby, using JamVM? [12:04] doko: yes [12:04] using jamvm [12:04] on my ac100 [12:04] nice [12:05] doko: i start to suspect tghat the panda kernel have stability issues under heavy load [12:05] thins start to lock up on the panda when i try the same [12:06] like gnome-system-monitor can lock up [12:06] is swap enabled? [12:06] doko: no [12:07] my panda is up for 30 days, running openjdk/gcc builds & tests, and some other builds. so it looks stable for me [12:07] doko: great [12:07] doko: do you have any usb gadget attached? [12:08] is a disk a gadget? [12:08] doko: if you have running it for 30 days please tell me your kernel version [12:08] yes [12:08] a disk are a gadeget [12:08] wait, it now only 10 days after the last kernel update. 2.6.38-1208-omap4 [12:09] ahh, the natty kernel ... [12:09] sorry [12:09] doko: thank you for reporting that it runs stable using the natty kernel :) [12:09] im having issues with the oneiric kernel :/ [12:11] ogra_, ^^ [12:12] hmm, file a bug, i know tobin tests daily if possible, though i dont think he tests compiling or other heavy load bits [12:12] ogra_: i will [12:15] this probably are related the bug that jamespage filed for arm server https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/845158 [12:15] Launchpad bug 845158 in openjdk-6 "Frequent java task hang on ARM server" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:22] hey guys, I was having a problem with oneiric on the pandaboard last night. after it went through the system configuration it just looped back to system config. any ideas? [12:26] BlInK311, talk to GrueMaster (once he is up (~2h i guess)) he seems to see that as well, nobody else can reproduce it though [12:26] would be good to know if you guys use the same Sd cards or some such [12:28] i used a sandisk 4gb class 6 card. I think it was an extreme 3 or something. Ill can double check it if you need [12:31] yesm double check with GrueMaster [12:32] will do [12:37] i also loaded it onto a uSD card for my beagle xm but didnt get a chance to boot it up last night [12:37] heh, hrw are you worried the best-buy offer wont persist until you are in orlando ? [12:37] i guess you could just buy them there [12:40] ogra_: last time, when hp touchpads went to 99$, they were out in 2-3 days if not less [12:41] hrw, there are likely more flyers thna touchpads in the world ... but i get what you mean [12:46] after hannspad disaster I prefer to not spend too much on unknown tablets [12:46] heh [12:46] apart from the annoying sharp metal edges and frame i can really recommend the transformer btw [12:50] too expensive [12:55] ogra_: can you use the ac100 kernel on the transformer? [12:56] no idea, mine runs android [12:56] :) [12:56] ogra_: you? android? [12:56] but i know there is a transformer kernel somewhere [12:56] hrw, gingerbread isnt badd [12:57] ogra_: you mean honeycomb? [12:57] err, yes [12:57] sill ynames [12:57] ogra_: 3.2 maybe. I played with 3.0 and was not so impressed [12:57] ogra_: ubuntu also has silly names ;d [12:58] ubuntu has cool names :) [12:58] well, i'm running 3.2 here [12:58] ogra_: matter of view [12:58] 3.2.1 actually [12:59] with a new update pending apparently [12:59] (asus is really fast wrt android updates) [13:04] doko: i have reverted back to the natty kernel on my panda and now runescape loads past 20%updates ... looks stable *touch wood* [13:06] its a quite intence cpu stress benchmark.. both cores running at 100% + disk io [13:07] (loading runescape throtthes both cores up to 80% starting gnome-system-monitor chart view makes both cpu's go up to 100 [13:23] infinity: why are you pinging me about the metapackage? :-) [13:23] infinity: ndec should be your man for that [13:24] and ndec is aware :) [13:25] doko: let me check [13:58] infinity, on the 4460 stuff we thought it was too late to get into image so thats why it is in proposed [14:00] infinity, on the meta the unsupported platforms are out in the linaro ppa versions [14:00] but it has not been uploaded to ubuntu forever [14:05] ogra_: GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/869190 [14:05] Launchpad bug 869190 in linux-ti-omap4 "panda-oneiric 3.0.0-1205-omap4 runescape crash running under heavy load" [Undecided,New] [14:05] thanks ! === zyga_ is now known as zyga-afk [14:39] GrueMaster. you on? [14:40] I am. Coffee isn't. [14:41] last night I had an issue with oneiric looping through the initial system config on the pandaboard. i heard you were the only other one who had this issue [14:42] did you figure out what caused this? [14:43] No, I haven't. I can reproduce it on several systems with several different SD cards though. The only thing I have found that seems to get around it a little is to edit /etc/fstab on the rootfs and add "discard" to the options for mounting / [14:44] It slows down execution a bit, and you need to remove it after oem-config is finished. [14:45] hmm... i was using a sandisk extreme 3 4gb class 6 card. dont know if you had this on this card [14:45] GrueMaster, slows down ? [14:45] it definitely should speed up :) [14:46] Not that particular card, but on several others from 4G-16G, class 4, 6, and 10. [14:46] TRIM (disacard) limits the amount fof needed writes [14:46] though your HW (the card) needs to support it [14:46] ogra_: Yes. it slows down a little. Not sure why. [14:46] else its a noop [14:47] blame the kernel :) [14:47] That may be it. [14:47] we had massive probs with TRIM on sandisk with the ac100 [14:47] How did we miss getting openmpi 1.5.3(or 4) into the repositories? [14:47] fi our kernel misses a patch on omap4 then you might get issues [14:47] openmpi 1.4 is broken on ARM, and only 1.5.3 works [14:47] Martyn, ask debian and the person who didnt file a bug about the breakage :) [14:48] ogra_, is there any way to find out if the card supports discard? [14:48] dunno [14:48] * GrueMaster forages for coffee. [14:48] the probs we had was with an eMMC for that it was easy to find ourt [14:49] maybe I just try BLKDISCARD and see if the ioctl fails miserably? [14:50] ill give the "discard" a try tonigh and see if it affects it [15:00] NCommander, did you see my ping above [15:00] ogra_: no, I just got up [15:00] would really help if you regulary updated the bug in times where others rely on your info [15:00] ogra_: if I had many ANY progress I would denote it [15:01] NCommander, i needed to know about it this morning [15:01] even noting down the no progress would hgave been a valuable info ;) [15:01] ogra_: you could pick up your phone and call me [15:01] :-P [15:01] NCommander, luckily there are issues so we dont roll RCs yet [15:02] NCommander, well, after i told you several times that i need to know it on thu, i was somewhat expecting it had stuck in your head :P [15:03] ogra_ i'm looking to start working on getting ubuntu-arm on the toshiba thrive tablet. do you have any tips on where to start? [15:03] ogra_: Both NCommander and I have been working hard on figuring out Banshee. I finally found the point of exception, but not the calling function. [15:03] AustereGrim, for the rootfs i would start with ubuntu-core [15:03] ok [15:04] At this point, I think it would be best to dump banshee as I don't think we can get a fix anytime soon (today). [15:04] GrueMaster, lets talk about tech stuff in the meeting, the point was that deadline for RC (and the possible switch to RB) was this morning EU time [15:05] I was never given a deadline beyond Thursday. [15:05] No time. [15:08] are you guys currently working with Oneiric for arm builds? (to replace android systems) [15:09] or should I attempt work with a previous release? [15:12] AustereGrim: Is the Thrive using a kernel and bootloader similar to ac100? [15:12] I'm not sure, I haven't touched the ac100 [15:12] * ogra_ doubts that [15:13] even the transformer needs its own kernel, despite the fact that they are the same SoC [15:13] I doubt it too... but I do have the release of the source from toshiba [15:13] well, start with ubuntu-core for a rootfs and make your kernel and bootloader work with it [15:14] ok... sounds like a found starting point. I'm new to this game, so it's not going to be natural to me. [15:15] well, all you need is kernel and bootloader ... and the kernel buiult with options ubuntu userspace understands [15:16] ok [15:22] So I've downloaded the oneiric core daily build, is this where I should start with? [15:24] thats your userspacce [15:25] ok I get that... and need to build a kernel that boots to this userspace [15:26] right [15:26] and that would be based on the linux kernel that toshiba has provided [15:27] right [15:27] ok, I think I see where I need to go. =) [15:29] Thanks ogra_ I might be starting some work on this this weekend. I know I'm going to need you advice along the way here. [15:30] well, i'm not much around on weekends, but during the week ... [15:30] there are 132 people in this channel though [15:30] ;) [15:30] =) I work on the week days... where I'm on irc at work [15:31] but weekends I'll have time to work on this project [15:32] well, you are currently standing in my office (and GrueMaster's, infinity's, janimo's and NCommander's) ;) [15:32] (and the office of amyn more here i guess) [15:32] 'many [15:32] understood, and I appreciate your hospitality. ;-) [15:50] jcrigby: hey, infinity seems ok to push your latest u-boot-linaro upload for the release [15:50] instead of proposed [15:50] as there's still time for the release, and it sounds critical enough [15:50] ( I rejected it from proposed and mentioned this already ) [15:51] so I just just repush to vanilla oneiric? [15:51] ok [15:53] jcrigby: Pretty please, yes. [15:53] jcrigby: And let's talk kernels in a sec. [15:53] ok [16:03] ogra_: I was following. Not sure what I could have said during the meeting on the BP stuff. [16:04] jcrigby: So... [16:04] GrueMaster, indeed, and i dont think you should have that many specs the next cycle anyway :) [16:05] infinity, yes [16:05] jcrigby: Two things. Why don't linux-linaro-s5pv310 and linux-linaro-u8500 match vexpress, omap, and mx51? [16:05] The main one I need to look at writing up is the bare metal automation testing. Not sure what to categorize it under, as it affects more than just arm. [16:05] jcrigby: And if and when they do, we need meta-linaro updated. [16:06] jcrigby: (If you have no intention of keeping all 5 sources in ABI lockstep, then the meta needs to be split out) [16:06] infinity, I added them way back and they were never used for anything so finally removed them from source [16:06] jcrigby: Oh, if those flavours are dead, you could always inform us and have them removed from the archive. [16:07] jcrigby: Happy to purge them with fire. [16:07] that would be great [16:07] jcrigby: Then we'd just need a meta upload that drops those, and bumps the ABI for the other 3. [16:07] (Pretty please) [16:07] will do that right now [16:07] \o/ [16:21] * infinity needs to eat breakfast for once... Stomach is rebelling. === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [16:26] http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/338/screenshothzu.png/ coming soon XD [16:35] LPhas I don't understand what I'm looking at. :-P [16:35] AustereGrim, you are looking at this https://github.com/utz/SYNEplayer [16:36] i made a small application that let you play several videos in synchrony [16:36] i see [16:37] over TCP/IP network, not only on the same machine like the screenshoots suggests [16:37] ah [16:37] oh [16:37] using multicast? or direct connection? [16:39] UDP direct connection [16:39] "connection" [16:39] well basically it uses Network Clocks that are an already available feature of gstreamer [16:40] hrm... [16:42] I'm trying to think of it's use in something.. [16:42] but my requirement for it has been depreciated [16:44] well it'll be used for a sort of "fake acquarium" on a cruise liner [16:44] Yeah, no I see it's use in digital signage [16:44] AustereGrim, "digital signage"? [16:45] uh... [16:45] like displays that all show the same thing [16:45] oh [16:45] either a video or just text [16:45] mainly a public display that shows information about a topic (area, company, product) [16:46] AustereGrim, oh, teah well, of course this is an application [16:46] i wish i'd have a client for this XD [16:46] would be the quickest job of my life XD [16:47] if it works well in low bandwidth environments, and doesn't rely on broadcast (packets) then there is a use for it. but our need for it has been depreciated like I said . =( [16:47] too bad :( [16:47] jcrigby: Thanks for the uploads. [16:48] it doens't rely on broadcast, i didn't tested the bandwith requirements [16:48] i think that bandwidth can be low but latency shold be low also [16:48] not more that 1/fps i think [16:49] but i have no clue [16:49] low bandwidth, as in wireless speeds... 54mb and less.. [16:49] well, i'll be suprised if it can't work in such enviroment [16:50] but the real syncronization code is not made by me [16:50] so i've no clue [16:50] well good work and good luck [16:50] heh thx for the "good luck" [16:50] they should approve another project based on this [16:50] with 10 pandaboards and 10 hdtv [16:50] this would be fun [16:52] LPhas that's kind of what we've been working with, but it's been depreciated from streaming video, to small boxes behind hdtvs displaying a webpage/slideshow [16:53] less bandwitdh if it's just displaying a webpage... than pushing video stream to each client box [16:53] well, in my design at the moment every box will have his video [16:53] because the video is static and this solution is way simpler [16:53] bbiaf [16:53] so no streaming at all [17:04] GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue seems to have a whole lot of dupes of your geoclue crash. :P [17:05]