[07:06] <artnay> hi all.
[07:07] <artnay> if you haven't subscribed to ML, please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-October/005023.html
[07:07] <artnay> the bug report needs more +1's
[07:13] <dpm> good morning all
[07:13] <kelemengabor> good morning dpm
[07:14] <dpm> hey kelemengabor :)
[07:18] <kelemengabor> is it just me, or your software center looks like this too: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/softwarecenter.png ?
[07:19] <dpm> kelemengabor, I'm about to report a bug, it looks even worse on mine, let me send a screenshot...
[07:20] <dpm> kelemengabor, I see that on your system Education, Games, Graphics, Sound & Video, Universal Access and "More" are not translated, either.
[07:20] <kelemengabor> yep :(
[07:21] <dpm> I'm about to file bugs for all those
[07:23] <dpm> well, "about to" means "as soon as Launchpad allows me"...
[07:31] <kelemengabor> bug #868554 is fixed and the package is released, but no new templates here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/xkeyboard-config/+imports
[07:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868554 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Need to create POT template on build (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868554
[07:32] <dpm> kelemengabor, let me have a look at it later. In any case, the translations I manually uploaded yesterday were all imported, so we should be all covered
[07:33] <dpm> kelemengabor, here's the first SC bug: bug 868947
[07:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868947 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Heading text is not internationalization-friendly (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868947
[07:33] <kelemengabor> sure, just looks strange :)
[07:42] <artnay> will non-languagepack packages receive post-release translation updates if the package itself is updated?
[07:45] <dpm> artnay, generally not, although devs might be persuaded if we ask them
[07:47] <artnay> in this case I'm speaking of ubuntu-help (which probably is incorporated into yelp)
[07:49] <artnay> well, we were able to translate 66 % of ubuntu-help, rest will have to wait for precise.
[07:50] <dpm> artnay, in that case, the best thing to do is to ask the docs team. And also note that any updates to ubuntu-docs need 1) an upload of the package with translations and additionally 2) a new full language pack release. So docs updates need to be synchronised with language pack updates
[09:04] <artnay> dpm: did you read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-October/005023.html
[09:10] <dpm> artnay, I did, I asked him to report it on the translators list :). However, the last reply is not entirely correct, I believe. I think the "upstream overwrites" export has nothing to do with it, especially because what he's reporting is the contrary: it seems upstream is not being updated
[09:16] <artnay> dpm: I see the same pattern there. Tomas has updated some strings and after import those updates (LP translations) are being marked as suggestions and the old string is being used
[09:17] <dpm> artnay, he didn't do any translations in Launchpad, he did them upstream
[09:17] <artnay> I hope he's able to give more examples and verify if those updates are actually from upstream or LP translations
[09:18] <artnay> and if those new translations are actually from upstream, was the same string fixed in LP before upstream import
[09:18] <artnay> there could be a conflict if the new upstream string is the same as what has been done on LP
[09:18] <dpm> btw, I'm not saying it's not a bug (it might or might not be, it needs to be investigated). I'm just saying that I'm not sure they're the same bug
[09:18] <artnay> and hence in such a conflict it defaults to old translation
[09:19] <artnay> at least similar things occured when translating chromium
[09:20] <artnay> dpm: did you follow my explanation? just tell me if I'm not being clear enough
[09:21] <dpm> artnay, you mean the explanation here, on the bug, or on the mailing list?
[09:21] <artnay> dpm: here :-)
[09:21] <dpm> :)
[09:21] <artnay> I should post that on ML as well
[09:21] <artnay> but first things first, food!
[09:22] <dpm> enjoy! :)
[13:57] <stikonas> artnay: ping
[13:58] <artnay> hi stikonas
[13:58] <artnay> stikonas: at least Tomas has registered on LP
[13:58] <artnay> https://launchpad.net/~tomasstraupis
[13:59] <artnay> stikonas: I'll send a msg to him
[13:59] <stikonas> artnay: that may be true, but yesterday dpm and I talked about strings that I was translating
[13:59] <stikonas> and I am almost 100% sure that I have only touched them upstream
[14:00] <artnay> okay, very strange
[14:01] <artnay> so we have some pretty bad lp-translations bugs here
[14:01] <artnay> let's see what Tomas replies
[14:02] <stikonas> Lithuanian translation also causes/suffers from bug #636936 But this is probably unrelated...
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636936 in language-pack-he (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Export the number of plural forms as specified in the imported PO file's header (affects: 3) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636936