[00:00] oh, I need to learn those [00:00] linux pipes [00:00] also, sad but not particularly unexpected news about steve jobs [00:00] it was pretty obvious he didn't have long left when he stepped down a few weeks back [00:11] ali1234: UNIX is ISO/IEC 9945-2009 ;) [01:00] Can someone recommend me a unix/linux book [01:01] on general sys admin stuff [01:03] you won't get a book on unix/linux sysadminnery [01:03] as sysadminnery is OS-specific [01:03] and the unix spec is pretty clear in that anything goes as long as the common interfaces are available [01:04] i.e. a solaris admin can't admin aix [01:08] so that's why knowing my mac inside out isn't getting me any DBA posts. damnit! [01:15] ahhh ok [01:15] there's unix books in the library [01:15] unix/library [01:16] Linux in a nutshell [01:46] could someone go and thump pad.ubuntu-uk.org please? [04:48] ali1234: poke Daviey. [04:48] gord: Was it you that told me "A Time Traveller's Wife" is an excellent movie? [04:48] gord: I just watched it. Lovely! Thanks :-) [06:22] tonytiger: Congratifulations! [07:08] MartijnVdS: Thanks! [07:21] Morning all [07:22] I guess a big thought for today is RIP Steve Jobs, thoughts will be with his family and colleagues [07:27] morning all [07:27] yes, RIP Steve Jobs, made the industry interesting and raised the bar for everyone [07:28] Morning all. Did you see this AlanBell https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/121845700291084288 [07:29] interesting! === JGJones__ is now known as JGJones [08:24] Morning peeps [08:24] \o bigcalm === bigcalm_lappy486 is now known as bigcalm[wolvs] [08:27] Morning all o/ [08:28] morning [08:30] feels a bit more like october today [08:38] we had dark skies and heavy rain an hour ago here in Edinburgh, now it's brightened-up [08:39] it's dropped over 10 degrees since tuesday [08:39] more like 15 [08:41] we had heavy hailstones [08:42] Brrrrr! Good moaning! [08:53] "Precise Pangolin" [08:54] are you guys crazy? its sunny! its nice! [08:54] come talk to me when its snowing :P [08:55] davmor2 is creating some new space aged ambient music with mumble [08:56] ahh mumble is fun, the game where everyone sits around for two hours, trying to hear each other, then gives up [08:56] if you want spacey music, you can download http://worldspaceagency.org/bg.gif, rename it to .mp3 and play it [08:57] some kind of hidden message in there, relating to http://thisisthecountdown.com [08:57] Why isn't skype audio working in this place? [08:58] skype never works on ubuntu for me... [08:58] try google hangouts, that seems to work fine [08:59] We use skype all the time from our ubuntu boxes, Mav/Natty [08:59] Google hangouts works well as well, only downside is the bandwith our end sucks [09:00] Skype works just fine at home [09:00] I blame Wolverhampton [09:00] Wolverhampton is an issue in itse;f [09:00] itself* [09:00] :P [09:00] czajkowski: prod [09:03] bigcalm[wolvs]: more importantly, does minecraft work there!? [09:03] Ooo [09:04] Yep :D [09:07] hah [09:08] hello fellow interwebs [09:08] Greetings. [09:09] anyone know if this week in linux channel is dead? [09:10] well jordan hasn't made many videos recently [09:10] so it wouldn't surprise me if people aren't hanging out there [09:10] i think he should kill it off completley [09:11] it's a shame really [09:11] i think it all tailed off after he stopped getting revenue [09:11] so it was clearly a money maker for him [09:12] yeah but goes to show he loves his money more [09:12] why did the revenue stop? [09:12] google cancelled his partner account [09:12] for no reason [09:13] couldnt he get it back if he made more videos [09:13] tim_: it's hard to motivate yourself to spend hours on something for nothing [09:13] possibly tim_ [09:13] everybody needs to eat [09:13] indeed [09:13] oimon: agreed im hungry [09:13] some people have making youtube videos as a full time job [09:13] like the yogscast guys [09:13] * oimon has a knack of making people go to their cupboards [09:14] college makes me hungry [09:14] popey: I wonder how well off they are as a result of it [09:14] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 hello my dear [09:14] Seeker`: they seem to be doing alright [09:15] the LAS guys produce a huge amount of stuff, only income is received by sponsorship by a single company. but it seems to have taken its toll on bryan [09:15] although i dunno where the revenue comes from, I almost never see adverts [09:15] czajkowski: hello sweetie how's life [09:15] yeah, boggles me how the LAS guys have time for it [09:15] they even have small children [09:15] popey: not seen that many yogscast videos, don't know how bad they are for product placement [09:16] popey: I know there are people employed by computer hardware companies to pay WoW and make youtube videos about it [09:16] are all you guys at work? [09:16] Seeker`: they dont do product placement, but full product play throughs [09:16] they sit for like 4 hours and record 20 videos [09:16] tim_: i am. [09:16] basically one video and cut it up [09:16] davmor2: it's all good my dear how is life with you [09:17] they get hundreds of thousands of views [09:17] Daviey: oi oi!!! [09:17] tim_, I am [09:17] oimon: dont get caught by the admins now ;) [09:17] tim_: i AM the admin [09:17] Same here :) [09:17] oimon: awesome! [09:17] paided to chat XD [09:18] Seperate screen to work machine, just look over occasionally [09:18] it doesn't have my full attention :P [09:18] except for the last 5 minutes [09:19] just finished my email run and fixing issues overnight, emailing people back. some people go for fag or coffee, i go for irc break [09:19] well theres really no one above you to check unless your manager comes up behind [09:19] good morning everyone. [09:19] morning [09:20] morning tim_ [09:20] about to look into veeam fastscp for backing up vmware images. anyone used it? [09:21] currently am backing up via the OS rather than backing up the vm images. :-\ [09:21] No but interested how you get oimon :) Something I keep meaning to look at [09:22] tim_: if my manager comes up behind, then he's george formby or spiderman since i have a corner office [09:22] diplo: the paid vrsion is quite cheap too for .ac.uk users [09:23] my college users .ac.uk [09:23] czajkowski: great sat next to bigcalm[wolvs] so I'll be teaching him the best ways to wind you up ;) [09:24] :D [09:24] * Laney snuggles popey [09:24] i approve of the cc meeting log [09:25] davmor2: he won't learn all the years of torture in one day [09:29] czajkowski: we can but try :D [09:30] * bigcalm[wolvs] hugs czajkowski [09:30] I'm too sweet and innocent to be corrupted by davmor2 [09:32] bigcalm[wolvs]: eh no [09:32] davmor2: behave [09:35] Damn it, skype works and I can take calls now [09:37] and this is bad because [09:40] czajkowski: work can annoy him [09:41] Spent the morning chatting with davmor2 and getting my system to work [09:41] We're doing this work place day because? [09:43] you get to meet davmor2 [09:43] which not sure how wise that was [09:44] Well, it's certainly a cheerful experience [09:45] Laney: thanks! [09:45] * popey notches another person up on the "people who have told him that the cc meeting log reflects more than just popey's opinion" [09:46] My name's Iain Lane and I endorse this message [09:46] :D [09:47] My name is also Iain and have seen Lane on occasion [09:48] it's pretty clear why I got demotivated though; our decisions were repeatedly questioned and challenged in public [09:48] that too [09:52] same old story [09:52] http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/09/meego-and-opensuse-invitation.html [09:53] I think popey raised really good points, I just wish there was more of the CC there to deal with it, my issue with the CC is somethimes they're not at their own meeting [09:53] we complain about other boards not turning up, but the CC doesn't have a great track record either unless it's the morning one and even then... so it's hard to raise issues but I think popey kicked the ball off [09:54] at the end of the day, if you *really* want to influence things, your number 1 way of doing that is to take the source and make it do what *you* want [09:54] exactly [09:56] communities built around commercial open source offerings tend to be sand boxes [09:56] perhaps i should say "communities" [09:56] and by sand boxes, what i mean is, the commercial entity gives the "community" lots of tools like mailing lists and wiki pages where they can feel really important [09:57] but in the end, it's just a giant sandbox that can be easily ignored [10:04] \o/ our clinical software supplier are moving from foxpro to postgreSQL [10:04] magci [10:04] *\o/* [10:04] magic rather :D [10:04] czajkowski: people do turn up when there's stuff on the agenda [10:04] czajkowski: they often don't when there isnt [10:08] popey: aye but the LC turns up even when we don't have stuff on the agenda, but yes I can see also the point of no agenda no turning up [10:09] but we used that to good use the last day [10:22] Hello guys [10:22] lo [10:23] I have a dell 1850 in a datacentre at the moment, the system keeps going down. When one of the engi's over there plug a keyboard/disp in to the system it's in a frozen state, almost like a kernel panic. Are there any logs I can read to try and determine the cause of this? [10:23] I really shouldn't be thinking about lunch already [10:24] KrisDouglas: do a memtest [10:24] bigcalm[wolvs], I'm thinking about lunch at 8am :) [10:24] KrisDouglas: and dell diagnostics [10:24] popey, passes, no errors. [10:24] KrisDouglas: how long for? [10:24] 48 hours the weekend before I fitted it into the DC [10:24] blimey [10:24] test finished on sunday, server went in on monday [10:25] it's a database server, i'm pedantic like that :) [10:25] First place I'd check is kern.log / messages [10:25] ok, so I will check Dell diag, and kern.log [10:25] the reason I think it's software is because it had fedora on it before hand and it ran smoothly. [10:26] hard freezes are often hardware related IMO [10:26] KrisDouglas: what's on it now? [10:26] oimon, which is my possible concern [10:26] ubuntu server LTS [10:26] 10.04.2? [10:26] I think it's on .3 now [10:27] probably is [10:27] It was fully updated when it went in [10:28] this is curious [10:29] "Oct 6 11:13:35 server2 kernel: [ 74.590292] radeon 0000:09:0d.0: failled initializing CP (-2). [10:29] " [10:29] "Oct 6 11:13:35 server2 kernel: [ 74.590292] radeon 0000:09:0d.0: failled initializing CP (-2)." [10:29] davmor2 has nipped to the loo but has left his laptop unlocked. What sneakyness can I get up to? [10:29] alias ls=logout [10:29] Haha [10:30] hur [10:30] run 5 million copies of xeyes [10:30] haha [10:30] do what i did to daviey, run a forkbomb [10:30] thats mean [10:30] (when actually what I meant to do was just paste a forkbomb into his terminal) [10:30] (but copy/pasted from wikipedia and copied the carriage return with it) [10:31] so when I pasted it ran it [10:31] woops [10:31] and the terminal I did it in was a remote VPS [10:31] oooooops [10:31] oh crap [10:31] deny all knowledge & run awy [10:31] set an xchat autoreplace to replace all typed mentions of czajkowski to MooDoo [10:31] oimon: it was at my house [10:31] blame the window cleaner :) [10:31] someone here just walked away from his desk [10:31] so i opened messenger window to another co-worker and typed "I love you" in it [10:32] gord: no MooDoo so you're my #2 stand in [10:32] the remote guy replied "hello alan" [10:32] knowing it was a prank [10:32] sellotape the desk phone "hook" thingy down so that when you pick up the receiver, the phone still rings [10:33] heh [10:33] our phones never ring [10:33] nobody ever uses phones here [10:33] did that to a drunk office worker once [10:33] and removed the ball from his mouse [10:33] then everyone started to ring him [10:33] we sometimes swap over handsets on adjacent phones [10:33] or yank the usb lead from a mouse [10:33] or put paper in the usb port to block the contacts [10:35] Office pranks are something I miss since working from home [10:35] czajkowski: what have I told you about picking on gord don't make me come over there and tickle you [10:35] prank hayley? [10:35] That and the USB rocket launcher that was plugged into the office server [10:35] bigcalm: buy a dog..they do the worst pranks [10:35] i get to play office pranks on my cat [10:36] popey: she doesn't work at home :( [10:36] she comes home though? [10:36] I sometimes jump out on clare when she comes through the door [10:36] Thankfully she does :) [10:36] my mother-in-law's dog nicked my dogs food bowl and buried it in the garden for a prank [10:36] popey, bigcalm[wolvs], oimon, server had panicked, they are plugging an IPKVM in for me so I can run memtest and see if that's what's causing the problem. [10:37] does the server have drac? [10:37] just finished installing veeam backup..windows only bah === krimzon2 is now known as KrimZon_2 [10:51] * AlanBell smiles as the postman delivers 8GB of ram :) [10:52] and the first shipit envelope to put in the pile waiting for Oneiric CDs [10:52] AlanBell, popey: I found a solution to my font-background problem: gnome-tweak-tool :) [10:52] imexil: cool, so that can make bigger fonts? [10:52] that too [10:53] I will put that in the a11y release notes [10:53] shame it pulls in gnome shell [10:53] I was wondering about that [10:53] but well as long as there is no unity-tweak-tool it will do [10:54] i *think* the gnome guys are adding in font settings for the next release. or maybe i dreamt that [10:54] They just removed it! [10:55] Ha I just ran gnome-shell --replace (now that this one is installed anyway) ... quite fancy [11:07] popey: what macs do you have? [11:08] Seeker`: imac and mbp [11:08] * Seeker` is considering a mba or mini [11:10] * Seeker` doesn't have a house to remortgage for the mbp he would want [11:11] * AlanBell has lots of memory :) [11:12] AlanBell: So it worked OK then. [11:13] yep :) [11:13] great [11:13] firefox and virtualbox are now friends again [11:17] wow gnome shell is bizarre. how can i show the apps launcher on the screen always? [11:20] how long does it take google analytics to update, after i have added a new website profile.? [11:21] I thinkit can be 24/48 hours brobostigon [11:21] 2 secs [11:21] wow, that is quite a while, ok, thank you diplo. [11:22] Hmm bigcalm[wolvs] has left his laptop unlocked what mischief can I get up to....... where did I put the super glue..... [11:23] yeah 24 hours [11:23] Updates every 24 hours [11:23] thank you, diplo . [11:24] that is along time, to wait, to see if you have made a mistake, setting it up, to correct it, and then wait another 24hrs. [11:24] Yup, so you know the answer [11:24] Check, then check twice more to confirm it's correct :P [11:24] TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/877704-killer-kismot-curry-contest-leaves-two-in-hospital-in-edinburgh [11:25] diplo: i have done. [11:26] hello [11:26] i get that reaction every time i eat any food with chilli :( [11:26] does firefox in the "UK" version of ubuntu only come with the ask search engine? [11:27] that's all I'm getting [11:27] Halabund: how did you install it? [11:27] no [11:27] update [11:27] oimon, actually, I just upgraded to 11.10, so maybe that's the problem. But it's not a big deal. [11:28] just wondering [11:28] there was a bug in the packaging a week or so ago that removed all the search engines but ask.com [11:28] ask, isnt there, here in ff8. [11:29] weirldy, twitter is a parameter there. [11:32] ah, I see, thanks gord [11:33] interesting. [11:33] is there a way to use custom regional settings? I want neither dollar or pound, but euro, while keeping everything in English [11:34] select Irish ;) [11:35] but that's not a solution [11:35] i think the regional setting is auto-detected by google depending on what site you are on [11:35] and your ip [11:35] I mean the OS's regional settings, not the browser's [11:36] things like currency and date format [11:36] oh well then just press super and type language [11:36] open the language support tool [11:36] changing the regional settings should do the trick [11:36] * popey presses super [11:37] ♥ [11:37] third day of headache... boo [11:37] i don't really know what to call that key for doing support.. [11:37] if you say windows key, then you screw up googling for more support a little [11:38] super key, is what i call it, and have seen it mostly refferred to as. [11:38] gord, I was just trying to find out if I can change different values such as language/currency/date separately rather than using a pre-defined thing, like "English (United Kingdom)" which forces on me the pound, which I don't want. [11:39] Halabund, thats what i'm saying, there are two tabs in that tool, the first sets your language, the second your currency/date [11:42] gord, but on the second one I can't actually choose currency/date. I can only choose a pre-defined language/country combination which includes everything. In WIndows XP I can set a custom currency and custom date format independently of each other [11:43] no no [11:43] it sets the currency and date format, but leaves the language alone [11:47] argh just got bitten by SELinux when trying to quickly set up samba on a server....grrr! [11:47] \o/ red hat [11:47] if RHCE taught me anything, it was to check selinux [11:49] blah [11:53] hmm? [11:54] copying 330GB across the network...hope no-one notices. [11:59] davmor2 is going to town on his laptop's arse [12:00] he has a laser cutter? [12:01] saw this on reddit http://i.imgur.com/XiQJA.jpg [12:01] thats pretty [12:02] Very nice [12:03] wrong font :) [12:03] that was mentioned [12:04] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/kzcgz/so_one_of_my_colleagues_has_a_laser_cutter/ [12:04] i found i can only really read reddit on my tablet cos of the cool app [12:04] the website sucks to navigate [12:05] * bigcalm[wolvs] wants to see the impossible [12:17] davmor2 seems to be frothing at the mouth again [12:19] Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [12:23] Lunch! [12:24] czajkowski: You are rather "behind-the-curve" https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/121700741994913794 [12:24] TheOpenSourcerer: I've been busy! [12:30] hola [12:33] czajkowski: Don't know if this is of any interst http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15199627? [12:34] Daviey: you in london [12:35] Daviey: nice, I'll still never move to NI though :) [12:36] czajkowski: Clearly Spain at the moment. [12:36] * czajkowski peers at jpds be nice, I found you a place to lay your head! [12:38] czajkowski: i was... :) [12:40] Daviey: I saw you at paddington [12:40] now where are you [12:41] czajkowski: behind you [12:53] Conversation has gone a little creepy... :) [12:54] selinuxium: all I need now is davmor2 in the mix and I'd agree [12:55] Hey, who wants to spend an exciting few minutes on the phone with me? As a bonus, you also get to tell me what you think of some proposed new designs for Launchpad :) [12:55] ohhh [12:55] tempting [12:56] mrevell: are you gonna make things I like or am I gonna come after you and kill you with these changes [12:56] czajkowski, That's for you to tell me :) [12:56] hmm [13:37] just seen a picture of wayne rooney's dad [13:38] looks identical except about 5yrs age gap [13:39] how do I uninstall Ubuntu [13:39] oimon: he's older than his dad?! [13:39] from this blooyd virtual machone [13:39] Monster same way you remove any OS from a VM, you delete the VM [13:40] installed gun bros on my touchpad , thought it might be fun..uninstalled 10 mins later...massive lag :( [13:40] the program crashes each time I open it [13:40] and when I go to delete it from the file manager [13:40] I can't! [13:41] it's read only [13:41] which program [13:41] oimon: on your touchpad?? [13:41] czajkowski: boo! [13:41] GirlyGirl: yeah [13:41] Orcale's [13:41] * czajkowski pours a bucket of water over davmor2 behave [13:41] Monsterwizard: have you tried running it from a terminal to see why it crashes? [13:41] oimon: Like the pointing device of a laptop?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchpad [13:41] Just about too [13:42] GirlyGirl: like the hp tablet :P [13:42] czajkowski: :P [13:42] yep [13:42] not running [13:42] :/ [13:43] I'm going to uninstall the WHOLE program [13:43] oimon: I thought Rooney's dad looked like Phil Mitchell from Eastenders [13:43] Monsterwizard: if your not going to listen to what people have to say in here, then there's not a lot of point in asking [13:43] DJones: he is also an alleged crook it seems [13:43] I saw that [13:43] Azelphur :/ I tried from the termina [13:43] terminal* [13:44] Monsterwizard: so where's the output? [13:44] also looks a bit like phil coolins if phil collins ate all the pies [13:44] Heh, speaking of touchpads, http://www.techworld.com.au/article/403159/hp_investigates_android_touchpads/?fp=16&fpid=1#closeme [13:44] !pastebin | Monsterwizard [13:44] Monsterwizard: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [13:45] I don#t know what you are refering too (noob) [13:45] Monsterwizard, You post the errors from using terminal to pastebin so Azelphur can see output [13:45] or anyone for that matter [13:45] ^ [13:46] DJones: the simples meerkat is working on the android touchpad port [13:46] ok so I type the program name in the temrinal without the & [13:46] ? [13:46] Can also use pastebininit [13:46] Monsterwizard: yep [13:46] check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVkj_vdY6s voiced by simples [13:47] That was a decent lunch [13:47] mrevell: did you get someone to talk to? [13:48] http://worldspaceagency.org/ [13:48] oooh [13:49] Wat an awful site AlanBell :) [13:49] diplo: yeah, but that is part of the game [13:50] http://askubuntu.com/questions/64284/what-does-thisisthecountdown-com-count-down-to [13:50] :) [13:51] http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/ the apparent corruption on the background image is part of it too [13:52] heh, someone having fun then [13:52] it is being discussed in #awholenewworld [15:01] heh looks like the logo for "falling skies" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Skies [15:13] What does? [15:29] the background on thisisthecountdown.com [15:30] Oh [15:30] This not working from home has really shut me up today [15:31]