[00:00] <Monsterwizard> oh, I need to learn those
[00:00] <Monsterwizard> linux pipes
[00:00] <ali1234> also, sad but not particularly unexpected news about steve jobs
[00:00] <ali1234> it was pretty obvious he didn't have long left when he stepped down a few weeks back
[00:11] <directhex> ali1234: UNIX is ISO/IEC 9945-2009 ;)
[01:00] <Monsterwizard> Can someone recommend me a unix/linux book
[01:01] <Monsterwizard> on general sys admin stuff
[01:03] <directhex> you won't get a book on unix/linux sysadminnery
[01:03] <directhex> as sysadminnery is OS-specific
[01:03] <directhex> and the unix spec is pretty clear in that anything goes as long as the common interfaces are available
[01:04] <directhex> i.e. a solaris admin can't admin aix
[01:08] <shauno> so that's why knowing my mac inside out isn't getting me any DBA posts.  damnit!
[01:15] <Monsterwizard> ahhh ok
[01:15] <Monsterwizard> there's unix books in the library
[01:15] <Monsterwizard> unix/library
[01:16] <Monsterwizard> Linux in a nutshell
[01:46] <ali1234> could someone go and thump pad.ubuntu-uk.org please?
[04:48] <nigelb> ali1234: poke Daviey.
[04:48] <nigelb> gord: Was it you that told me "A Time Traveller's Wife" is an excellent movie?
[04:48] <nigelb> gord: I just watched it. Lovely! Thanks :-)
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> tonytiger: Congratifulations!
[07:08] <tonytiger> MartijnVdS: Thanks!
[07:21] <DJones> Morning all
[07:22] <DJones> I guess a big thought for today is RIP Steve Jobs, thoughts will be with his family and colleagues
[07:27] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:27] <AlanBell> yes, RIP Steve Jobs, made the industry interesting and raised the bar for everyone
[07:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all. Did you see this AlanBell https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/121845700291084288
[07:29] <AlanBell> interesting!
[08:24] <bigcalm_lappy486> Morning peeps
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[08:27] <selinuxium> Morning all   o/
[08:28] <Hippychick> morning
[08:30] <oimon> feels a bit more like october today
[08:38] <dwatkins> we had dark skies and heavy rain an hour ago here in Edinburgh, now it's brightened-up
[08:39] <oimon> it's dropped over 10 degrees since tuesday
[08:39] <oimon> more like 15
[08:41] <gordonjcp> we had heavy hailstones
[08:42] <JamesTait> Brrrrr! Good moaning!
[08:53] <danfish> "Precise Pangolin"
[08:54] <gord> are you guys crazy? its sunny! its nice!
[08:54] <gord> come talk to me when its snowing :P
[08:55] <bigcalm[wolvs]> davmor2 is creating some new space aged ambient music with mumble
[08:56] <gord> ahh mumble is fun, the game where everyone sits around for two hours, trying to hear each other, then gives up
[08:56] <AlanBell> if you want spacey music, you can download http://worldspaceagency.org/bg.gif, rename it to .mp3 and play it
[08:57] <AlanBell> some kind of hidden message in there, relating to http://thisisthecountdown.com
[08:57] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Why isn't skype audio working in this place?
[08:58] <gord> skype never works on ubuntu for me...
[08:58] <gord> try google hangouts, that seems to work fine
[08:59] <diplo> We use skype all the time from our ubuntu boxes, Mav/Natty
[08:59] <diplo> Google hangouts works well as well, only downside is the bandwith our end sucks
[09:00] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Skype works just fine at home
[09:00] <bigcalm[wolvs]> I blame Wolverhampton
[09:00] <diplo> Wolverhampton is an issue in itse;f
[09:00] <diplo> itself*
[09:00] <diplo> :P
[09:00] <davmor2> czajkowski:  prod
[09:03] <popey> bigcalm[wolvs]: more importantly, does minecraft work there!?
[09:03] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Ooo
[09:04] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Yep :D
[09:07] <popey> hah
[09:08] <tim_> hello fellow interwebs
[09:08] <popey> Greetings.
[09:09] <tim_> anyone know if this week in linux channel is dead?
[09:10] <popey> well jordan hasn't made many videos recently
[09:10] <popey> so it wouldn't surprise me if people aren't hanging out there
[09:10] <tim_> i think he should kill it off completley
[09:11] <popey> it's a shame really
[09:11] <popey> i think it all tailed off after he stopped getting revenue
[09:11] <popey> so it was clearly a money maker for him
[09:12] <tim_> yeah but goes to show he loves his money more
[09:12] <oimon> why did the revenue stop?
[09:12] <popey> google cancelled his partner account
[09:12] <popey> for no reason
[09:13] <tim_> couldnt he get it back if he made more videos
[09:13] <popey> tim_: it's hard to motivate yourself to spend hours on something for nothing
[09:13] <popey> possibly tim_
[09:13] <oimon> everybody needs to eat
[09:13] <popey> indeed
[09:13] <tim_> oimon: agreed im hungry
[09:13] <popey> some people have making youtube videos as a full time job
[09:13] <popey> like the yogscast guys
[09:13]  * oimon has a knack of making people go to their cupboards
[09:14] <tim_> college makes me hungry
[09:14] <Seeker`> popey: I wonder how well off they are as a result of it
[09:14]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 hello my dear
[09:14] <popey> Seeker`: they seem to be doing alright
[09:15] <oimon> the LAS guys produce a huge amount of stuff, only income is received by sponsorship by a single company. but it seems to have taken its toll on bryan
[09:15] <popey> although i dunno where the revenue comes from, I almost never see adverts
[09:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello sweetie how's life
[09:15] <popey> yeah, boggles me how the LAS guys have time for it
[09:15] <oimon> they even have small children
[09:15] <Seeker`> popey: not seen that many yogscast videos, don't know how bad they are for product placement
[09:16] <Seeker`> popey: I know there are people employed by computer hardware companies to pay WoW and make youtube videos about it
[09:16] <tim_> are all you guys at work?
[09:16] <popey> Seeker`: they dont do product placement, but full product play throughs
[09:16] <popey> they sit for like 4 hours and record 20 videos
[09:16] <oimon> tim_: i am.
[09:16] <popey> basically one video and cut it up
[09:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: it's all good my dear how is life with you
[09:17] <popey> they get hundreds of thousands of views
[09:17] <czajkowski> Daviey: oi oi!!!
[09:17] <diplo> tim_, I am
[09:17] <tim_> oimon:  dont get caught by the admins now ;)
[09:17] <oimon> tim_: i AM the admin
[09:17] <diplo> Same here :)
[09:17] <tim_> oimon:  awesome!
[09:17] <tim_> paided to chat XD
[09:18] <diplo> Seperate screen to work machine, just look over occasionally
[09:18] <oimon> it doesn't have my full attention :P
[09:18] <oimon> except for the last 5 minutes
[09:19] <oimon> just finished my email run and fixing issues overnight, emailing people back. some people go for fag or coffee, i go for irc break
[09:19] <tim_> well theres really no one above you to check unless your manager comes up behind
[09:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:19] <tim_> morning
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning tim_
[09:20] <oimon> about to look into veeam fastscp for backing up vmware images. anyone used it?
[09:21] <oimon> currently am backing up via the OS rather than backing up the vm images. :-\
[09:21] <diplo> No but interested how you get oimon :) Something I keep meaning to look at
[09:22] <oimon> tim_: if my manager comes up behind, then he's george formby or spiderman since i have a corner office
[09:22] <oimon> diplo: the paid vrsion is quite cheap too for .ac.uk users
[09:23] <tim_> my college users .ac.uk
[09:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: great sat next to bigcalm[wolvs] so I'll be teaching him the best ways to wind you up ;)
[09:24] <bigcalm[wolvs]> :D
[09:24]  * Laney snuggles popey
[09:24] <Laney> i approve of the cc meeting log
[09:25] <czajkowski> davmor2: he won't learn all the years of torture in one day
[09:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: we can but try :D
[09:30]  * bigcalm[wolvs] hugs czajkowski
[09:30] <bigcalm[wolvs]> I'm too sweet and innocent to be corrupted by davmor2
[09:32] <czajkowski> bigcalm[wolvs]: eh no
[09:32] <czajkowski> davmor2: behave
[09:35] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Damn it, skype works and I can take calls now
[09:37] <czajkowski> and this is bad because
[09:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: work can annoy him
[09:41] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Spent the morning chatting with davmor2 and getting my system to work
[09:41] <bigcalm[wolvs]> We're doing this work place day because?
[09:43] <czajkowski> you get to meet davmor2
[09:43] <czajkowski> which not sure how wise that was
[09:44] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Well, it's certainly a cheerful experience
[09:45] <popey> Laney: thanks!
[09:45]  * popey notches another person up on the "people who have told him that the cc meeting log reflects more than just popey's opinion"
[09:46] <Laney> My name's Iain Lane and I endorse this message
[09:46] <popey> :D
[09:47] <bigcalm[wolvs]> My name is also Iain and have seen Lane on occasion
[09:48] <Laney> it's pretty clear why I got demotivated though; our decisions were repeatedly questioned and challenged in public
[09:48] <popey> that too
[09:52] <ali1234> same old story
[09:52] <ali1234> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/09/meego-and-opensuse-invitation.html
[09:53] <czajkowski> I think popey raised really good points, I just wish there was more of the CC there to deal with it,  my issue with the CC is somethimes they're not at their own meeting
[09:53] <czajkowski> we complain about other boards not turning up, but the CC doesn't have a great track record either unless it's the morning one and even then... so it's hard to raise issues but I think popey kicked the ball off
[09:54] <ali1234> at the end of the day, if you *really* want to influence things, your number 1 way of doing that is to take the source and make it do what *you* want
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[09:56] <ali1234> communities built around commercial open source offerings tend to be sand boxes
[09:56] <ali1234> perhaps i should say "communities"
[09:56] <ali1234> and by sand boxes, what i mean is, the commercial entity gives the "community" lots of tools like mailing lists and wiki pages where they can feel really important
[09:57] <ali1234> but in the end, it's just a giant sandbox that can be easily ignored
[10:04] <danfish> \o/ our clinical software supplier are moving from foxpro to postgreSQL
[10:04] <danfish> magci
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[10:04] <danfish> magic rather :D
[10:04] <popey> czajkowski: people do turn up when there's stuff on the agenda
[10:04] <popey> czajkowski: they often don't when there isnt
[10:08] <czajkowski> popey: aye but the LC turns up even when we don't have stuff on the agenda, but yes I can see also the point of no agenda no turning up
[10:09] <czajkowski> but we used that to good use the last day
[10:22] <KrisDouglas> Hello guys
[10:22] <popey> lo
[10:23] <KrisDouglas> I have a dell 1850 in a datacentre at the moment, the system keeps going down. When one of the engi's over there plug a keyboard/disp in to the system it's in a frozen state, almost like a kernel panic. Are there any logs I can read to try and determine the cause of this?
[10:23] <bigcalm[wolvs]> I really shouldn't be thinking about lunch already
[10:24] <popey> KrisDouglas: do a memtest
[10:24] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm[wolvs], I'm thinking about lunch at 8am :)
[10:24] <oimon> KrisDouglas: and dell diagnostics
[10:24] <KrisDouglas> popey, passes, no errors.
[10:24] <popey> KrisDouglas: how long for?
[10:24] <KrisDouglas> 48 hours the weekend before I fitted it into the DC
[10:24] <popey> blimey
[10:24] <KrisDouglas> test finished on sunday, server went in on monday
[10:25] <KrisDouglas> it's a database server, i'm pedantic like that :)
[10:25] <diplo> First place I'd check is kern.log / messages
[10:25] <KrisDouglas> ok, so I will check Dell diag, and kern.log
[10:25] <KrisDouglas> the reason I think it's software is because it had fedora on it before hand and it ran smoothly.
[10:26] <oimon> hard freezes are often hardware related IMO
[10:26] <oimon> KrisDouglas: what's on it now?
[10:26] <KrisDouglas> oimon, which is my possible concern
[10:26] <KrisDouglas> ubuntu server LTS
[10:26] <KrisDouglas> 10.04.2?
[10:26] <bigcalm[wolvs]> I think it's on .3 now
[10:27] <KrisDouglas> probably is
[10:27] <KrisDouglas> It was fully updated when it went in
[10:28] <KrisDouglas> this is curious
[10:29] <KrisDouglas> "Oct  6 11:13:35 server2 kernel: [   74.590292] radeon 0000:09:0d.0: failled initializing CP (-2).
[10:29] <KrisDouglas> "
[10:29] <KrisDouglas> "Oct  6 11:13:35 server2 kernel: [   74.590292] radeon 0000:09:0d.0: failled initializing CP (-2)."
[10:29] <bigcalm[wolvs]> davmor2 has nipped to the loo but has left his laptop unlocked. What sneakyness can I get up to?
[10:29] <popey> alias ls=logout
[10:29] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Haha
[10:30] <KrisDouglas> hur
[10:30] <oimon> run 5 million copies of xeyes
[10:30] <popey> haha
[10:30] <popey> do what i did to daviey, run a forkbomb
[10:30] <oimon> thats mean
[10:30] <popey> (when actually what I meant to do was just paste a forkbomb into his terminal)
[10:30] <popey> (but copy/pasted from wikipedia and copied the carriage return with it)
[10:31] <popey> so when I pasted it ran it
[10:31] <oimon> woops
[10:31] <popey> and the terminal I did it in was a remote VPS
[10:31] <popey> oooooops
[10:31] <KrisDouglas> oh crap
[10:31] <oimon> deny all knowledge & run awy
[10:31] <gord> set an xchat autoreplace to replace all typed mentions of czajkowski to MooDoo
[10:31] <popey> oimon: it was at my house
[10:31] <oimon> blame the window cleaner :)
[10:31] <popey> someone here just walked away from his desk
[10:31] <popey> so i opened messenger window to another co-worker and typed "I love you" in it
[10:32] <czajkowski> gord: no MooDoo so you're my #2 stand in
[10:32] <popey> the remote guy replied "hello alan"
[10:32] <popey> knowing it was a prank
[10:32] <oimon> sellotape the desk phone "hook" thingy down so that when you pick up the receiver, the phone still rings
[10:33] <popey> heh
[10:33] <popey> our phones never ring
[10:33] <popey> nobody ever uses phones here
[10:33] <oimon> did that to a drunk office worker once
[10:33] <oimon> and removed the ball from his mouse
[10:33] <oimon> then everyone started to ring him
[10:33] <popey> we sometimes swap over handsets on adjacent phones
[10:33] <popey> or yank the usb lead from a mouse
[10:33] <popey> or put paper in the usb port to block the contacts
[10:35] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Office pranks are something I miss since working from home
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: what have I told you about picking on gord don't make me come over there and tickle you
[10:35] <popey> prank hayley?
[10:35] <bigcalm[wolvs]> That and the USB rocket launcher that was plugged into the office server
[10:35] <oimon> bigcalm: buy a dog..they do the worst pranks
[10:35] <gord> i get to play office pranks on my cat
[10:36] <bigcalm[wolvs]> popey: she doesn't work at home :(
[10:36] <popey> she comes home though?
[10:36] <popey> I sometimes jump out on clare when she comes through the door
[10:36] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Thankfully she does :)
[10:36] <oimon> my mother-in-law's dog nicked my dogs food bowl and buried it in the garden for a prank
[10:36] <KrisDouglas> popey, bigcalm[wolvs], oimon, server had panicked, they are plugging an IPKVM in for me so I can run memtest and see if that's what's causing the problem.
[10:37] <oimon> does the server have drac?
[10:37] <oimon> just finished installing veeam backup..windows only bah
[10:51]  * AlanBell smiles as the postman delivers 8GB of ram :)
[10:52] <AlanBell> and the first shipit envelope to put in the pile waiting for Oneiric CDs
[10:52] <imexil>  AlanBell, popey: I found a solution to my font-background problem: gnome-tweak-tool :)
[10:52] <AlanBell> imexil: cool, so that can make bigger fonts?
[10:52] <imexil> that too
[10:53] <AlanBell> I will put that in the a11y release notes
[10:53] <popey> shame it pulls in gnome shell
[10:53] <imexil> I was wondering about that
[10:53] <imexil> but well as long as there is no unity-tweak-tool it will do
[10:54] <gord> i *think* the gnome guys are adding in font settings for the next release. or maybe i dreamt that
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> They just removed it!
[10:55] <imexil> Ha I just ran gnome-shell --replace (now that this one is installed anyway) ... quite fancy
[11:07] <Seeker`> popey: what macs do you have?
[11:08] <popey> Seeker`: imac and mbp
[11:08]  * Seeker` is considering a mba or mini
[11:10]  * Seeker` doesn't have a house to remortgage for the mbp he would want
[11:11]  * AlanBell has lots of memory :)
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: So it worked OK then.
[11:13] <AlanBell> yep :)
[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> great
[11:13] <AlanBell> firefox and virtualbox are now friends again
[11:17] <oimon> wow gnome shell is bizarre. how can i show the apps launcher on the screen always?
[11:20] <brobostigon> how long does it take google analytics to update, after i have added a new website profile.?
[11:21] <diplo> I thinkit can be 24/48 hours brobostigon
[11:21] <diplo> 2 secs
[11:21] <brobostigon> wow, that is quite a while, ok, thank you diplo.
[11:22] <davmor2> Hmm bigcalm[wolvs] has left his laptop unlocked what mischief can I get up to....... where did I put the super glue.....
[11:23] <diplo> yeah 24 hours
[11:23] <diplo> Updates every 24 hours
[11:23] <brobostigon> thank you, diplo .
[11:24] <brobostigon> that is along time, to wait, to see if you have made a mistake, setting it up, to correct it, and then wait another 24hrs.
[11:24] <diplo> Yup, so you know the answer
[11:24] <diplo> Check, then check twice more to confirm it's correct :P
[11:24] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/877704-killer-kismot-curry-contest-leaves-two-in-hospital-in-edinburgh
[11:25] <brobostigon> diplo: i have done.
[11:26] <Halabund> hello
[11:26] <oimon> i get that reaction every time i eat any food with chilli :(
[11:26] <Halabund> does firefox in the "UK" version of ubuntu only come with the ask search engine?
[11:27] <Halabund> that's all I'm getting
[11:27] <oimon> Halabund: how did you install it?
[11:27] <gord> no
[11:27] <gord> update
[11:27] <Halabund> oimon, actually, I just upgraded to 11.10, so maybe that's the problem.  But it's not a big deal.
[11:28] <Halabund> just wondering
[11:28] <gord> there was a bug in the packaging a week or so ago that removed all the search engines but ask.com
[11:28] <brobostigon> ask, isnt there, here in ff8.
[11:29] <brobostigon> weirldy, twitter is a parameter there.
[11:32] <Halabund> ah, I see, thanks gord
[11:33] <brobostigon> interesting.
[11:33] <Halabund> is there a way to use custom regional settings?  I want neither dollar or pound, but euro, while keeping everything in English
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> select Irish ;)
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> but that's not a solution
[11:35] <gord> i think the regional setting is auto-detected by google depending on what site you are on
[11:35] <gord> and your ip
[11:35] <Halabund> I mean the OS's regional settings, not the browser's
[11:36] <Halabund> things like currency and date format
[11:36] <gord> oh well then just press super and type language
[11:36] <gord> open the language support tool
[11:36] <gord> changing the regional settings should do the trick
[11:36]  * popey presses super
[11:37] <popey> ♥
[11:37] <Myrtti> third day of headache... boo
[11:37] <gord> i don't really know what to call that key for doing support..
[11:37] <gord> if you say windows key, then you screw up googling for more support a little
[11:38] <brobostigon> super key, is what i call it, and have seen it mostly refferred to as.
[11:38] <Halabund> gord, I was just trying to find out if I can change different values such as language/currency/date separately rather than using a pre-defined thing, like "English (United Kingdom)" which forces on me the pound, which I don't want.
[11:39] <gord> Halabund, thats what i'm saying, there are two tabs in that tool, the first sets your language, the second your currency/date
[11:42] <Halabund> gord, but on the second one I can't actually choose currency/date.  I can only choose a pre-defined language/country combination which includes everything.  In WIndows XP I can set a custom currency and custom date format independently of each other
[11:43] <gord> no no
[11:43] <gord> it sets the currency and date format, but leaves the language alone
[11:47] <oimon> argh just got bitten by SELinux when trying to quickly set up samba on a server....grrr!
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> \o/ red hat
[11:47] <oimon> if RHCE taught me anything, it was to check selinux
[11:49] <Myrtti> blah
[11:53] <Seeker`> hmm?
[11:54] <oimon> copying 330GB across the network...hope no-one notices.
[11:59] <bigcalm[wolvs]> davmor2 is going to town on his laptop's arse
[12:00] <oimon> he has a laser cutter?
[12:01] <oimon> saw this on reddit http://i.imgur.com/XiQJA.jpg
[12:01] <popey> thats pretty
[12:02] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Very nice
[12:03] <AlanBell> wrong font :)
[12:03] <oimon> that was mentioned
[12:04] <oimon> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/kzcgz/so_one_of_my_colleagues_has_a_laser_cutter/
[12:04] <oimon> i found i can only really read reddit on my tablet cos of the cool app
[12:04] <oimon> the website sucks to navigate
[12:05]  * bigcalm[wolvs] wants to see the impossible
[12:17] <bigcalm[wolvs]> davmor2 seems to be frothing at the mouth again
[12:19] <davmor2> Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[12:23] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Lunch!
[12:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: You are rather "behind-the-curve" https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/121700741994913794
[12:24] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: I've been busy!
[12:30] <Daviey> hola
[12:33] <DJones> czajkowski: Don't know if this is of any interst http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15199627?
[12:34] <czajkowski> Daviey: you in london
[12:35] <czajkowski> Daviey: nice, I'll still never move to NI though :)
[12:36] <jpds> czajkowski: Clearly Spain at the moment.
[12:36]  * czajkowski peers at jpds be nice, I found you a place to lay your head! 
[12:38] <Daviey> czajkowski: i was... :)
[12:40] <czajkowski> Daviey: I saw you at paddington
[12:40] <czajkowski> now where are you
[12:41] <Daviey> czajkowski: behind you
[12:53] <selinuxium> Conversation has gone a little creepy... :)
[12:54] <czajkowski> selinuxium: all I need now is davmor2 in the mix and I'd agree
[12:55] <mrevell> Hey, who wants to spend an exciting few minutes on the phone with me? As a bonus, you also get to tell me what you think of some proposed new designs for Launchpad :)
[12:55] <czajkowski> ohhh
[12:55] <czajkowski> tempting
[12:56] <czajkowski> mrevell: are you gonna make things I like or am I gonna come after you and kill you with these changes
[12:56] <mrevell> czajkowski, That's for you to tell me :)
[12:56] <czajkowski> hmm
[13:37] <oimon> just seen a picture of wayne rooney's dad
[13:38] <oimon> looks identical except about 5yrs age gap
[13:39] <Monsterwizard> how do I uninstall Ubuntu
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> oimon: he's older than his dad?!
[13:39] <Monsterwizard> from this blooyd virtual machone
[13:39] <Azelphur> Monster same way you remove any OS from a VM, you delete the VM
[13:40] <oimon> installed gun bros on my touchpad , thought it might be fun..uninstalled 10 mins later...massive lag :(
[13:40] <Monsterwizard> the program crashes each time I open it
[13:40] <Monsterwizard> and when I go to delete it from the file manager
[13:40] <Monsterwizard> I can't!
[13:41] <Monsterwizard> it's read only
[13:41] <Azelphur> which program
[13:41] <GirlyGirl> oimon: on your touchpad??
[13:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: boo!
[13:41] <oimon> GirlyGirl: yeah
[13:41] <Monsterwizard> Orcale's
[13:41]  * czajkowski pours a bucket of water over davmor2 behave 
[13:41] <Azelphur> Monsterwizard: have you tried running it from a terminal to see why it crashes?
[13:41] <GirlyGirl> oimon: Like the pointing device of a laptop??  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchpad
[13:41] <Monsterwizard> Just about too
[13:42] <oimon> GirlyGirl: like the hp tablet :P
[13:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: :P
[13:42] <Monsterwizard> yep
[13:42] <Monsterwizard> not running
[13:42] <Monsterwizard> :/
[13:43] <Monsterwizard> I'm going to uninstall the WHOLE program
[13:43] <DJones> oimon: I thought Rooney's dad looked like Phil Mitchell from Eastenders
[13:43] <Azelphur> Monsterwizard: if your not going to listen to what people have to say in here, then there's not a lot of point in asking
[13:43] <oimon> DJones: he is also an alleged crook it seems
[13:43] <DJones> I saw that
[13:43] <Monsterwizard> Azelphur :/ I tried from the termina
[13:43] <Monsterwizard> terminal*
[13:44] <Azelphur> Monsterwizard: so where's the output?
[13:44] <oimon> also looks a bit like phil coolins if phil collins ate all the pies
[13:44] <DJones> Heh, speaking of touchpads, http://www.techworld.com.au/article/403159/hp_investigates_android_touchpads/?fp=16&fpid=1#closeme
[13:44] <Azelphur> !pastebin | Monsterwizard
[13:45] <Monsterwizard> I don#t know what you are refering too (noob)
[13:45] <diplo> Monsterwizard, You post the errors from using terminal to pastebin so Azelphur can see output
[13:45] <diplo> or anyone for that matter
[13:45] <Azelphur> ^
[13:46] <oimon> DJones: the simples meerkat is working on the android touchpad port
[13:46] <Monsterwizard> ok so I type the program name in the temrinal without the &
[13:46] <Monsterwizard> ?
[13:46] <diplo> Can also use pastebininit
[13:46] <Azelphur> Monsterwizard: yep
[13:46] <oimon> check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVkj_vdY6s voiced by simples
[13:47] <bigcalm[wolvs]> That was a decent lunch
[13:47] <AlanBell> mrevell: did you get someone to talk to?
[13:48] <AlanBell> http://worldspaceagency.org/
[13:48] <AlanBell> oooh
[13:49] <diplo> Wat an awful site AlanBell :)
[13:49] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, but that is part of the game
[13:50] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/64284/what-does-thisisthecountdown-com-count-down-to
[13:50] <diplo> :)
[13:51] <AlanBell> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/ the apparent corruption on the background image is part of it too
[13:52] <diplo> heh, someone having fun then
[13:52] <AlanBell> it is being discussed in #awholenewworld
[15:01] <drussell> heh looks like the logo for "falling skies" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Skies
[15:13] <bigcalm[wolvs]> What does?
[15:29] <AlanBell> the background on thisisthecountdown.com
[15:30] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Oh
[15:30] <bigcalm[wolvs]> This not working from home has really shut me up today
[15:31] <popey> :D good
[15:31] <popey> (in a nice way)
[15:32] <kvarley> I've downloaded a tar archive which contains multiple deb packages to install Lazurus, is there a way to install them all at once?
[15:34] <popey> dpkg -i *.deb
[15:35] <kvarley> popey: Thank you once again =)
[15:35] <popey> np
[15:35]  * popey has no idea what lazarus is
[15:35] <popey> !lazarus
[15:35] <popey> bah
[15:36] <popey> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_release_version_for_Ubuntu
[15:36] <popey> you doing that?
[15:37] <oimon> was it dead for a while?
[15:38]  * oimon has been in the productivity zone today. don't want to go home, but has to :(
[15:38]  * bigcalm[wolvs] tickles popey
[15:39] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Bit early to be going home
[15:39] <kvarley> popey: Yes
[15:39] <oimon> goign home in 1/2 hr but thinking about how much i can get done
[15:39] <oimon> have tomorrow off
[15:43] <czajkowski> 1 hr 15 mins left
[15:43] <czajkowski> wonder would anyone notice if I crawled under the desk and slept
[15:46] <oimon> might get noted on your next probation meeting
[15:51] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Attempting some Unity love. I will blame davmor2 for any out-bursts
[15:52] <davmor2> hahahahahahahahaha
[15:52] <oimon> also i dislike gnome shell, seems a lot faster than unity
[15:54] <Monsterwizard> I miss os/2
[15:54] <Monsterwizard> and I was born in the early 90s :/
[15:55] <davmor2> bring back basic 10 print "you suck"; 20 goto 10
[15:55]  * gord should add that to unity
[15:56] <gord> frankly, if your OS doesn't have a basic interpretor built in, it ain't worth squat!
[15:56] <oimon> i wrote my computing GCSE project in BBC Basic
[15:56] <oimon> in 1990
[15:56] <bigcalm[wolvs]> gord: please be careful. davmor2 will squirt coffee out of his nose due to laughing in a moment
[15:57] <bigcalm[wolvs]> As did I, in 1995
[15:57] <davmor2> hahahahahaha,  no I think you're in more danger of that bigcalm
[15:59] <Monsterwizard> computer 'science' is the most absurd name for that field
[15:59] <oimon> the syllabus contained discussion of card readers
[16:00] <oimon> basically it was learning by rote, without any real world application since 1970
[16:00] <oimon> except we covered generational tape backups
[16:01] <oimon> it's easier to get an A in computing than textiles or the other lame "tech" subjects back then
[16:01] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Anybody fancy a game of Tetris?
[16:03]  * oimon sings the tune
[16:05] <czajkowski> davmor2: less snorting!
[16:05] <bigcalm[wolvs]> I feel ill now
[16:05] <davmor2> hahaha
[16:06] <JGJones> Dear Ubuntu - damn you for making me feel like an old fart.
[16:07] <JGJones> Personal info - enter your birthday. In year...I was clicking back each year...ended up holding down to scroll back quickly as I realised I'll have to click over 30 times.
[16:08] <davmor2> do do do do dodedo do do do dodedo do do do do do do do dodedo do do dodedo do do do do dodedo do do do do
[16:08] <DJones> davmor2: You need the "Identification Division" first, then you can have the "Display 'You suck'" line
[16:08] <bigcalm[wolvs]> davmor2 is funny in the head
[16:09] <davmor2> DJones: no it's basic that fills the screen across and down with you suck!
[16:09] <davmor2> bigcalm[wolvs]: It took you this long to figure it out
[16:09] <DJones> You need to rewrite it in cobol though
[16:10] <davmor2> DJones: I did specifically say basic
[16:10] <DJones> But thats no fun
[16:16] <Monsterwizard> C or Java?
[16:17] <czajkowski> http://gigaom.com/cloud/rackspace-gives-up-the-openstack-reins/
[16:30] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Iain: Keep your eyes on the monitor
[16:30] <bigcalm[wolvs]> *sigh*
[16:30] <davmor2> hahahaha
[16:34] <JGJones> Forgive my fuzzy memory, but is Thunderbird now the default mail app in 10.10? And thus Evolution no longer needed? Or is it still required for calendaring stuff?
[16:34] <NathanaelG> Hi folks, nice to meet you
[16:34] <NathanaelG> I have an off topic problem where I need someone in the uk helping me
[16:36] <gord> JGJones, thunderbird is the default in 11.10 :)
[16:36] <gord> JGJones, there might be a small part of evo still installed somewhere, for gnome compatibility
[16:37] <JGJones> Lovely. What about calendar though? That's still handled by Evolution? Ie I go into Evolution for calendar stuff and Thunderbird for emails?
[16:38] <gord> evo the application isn't installed, so i doubt it
[16:38] <gord> NathanaelG, if you actually ask your question, someone might be able to help you :) no point in asking to ask
[16:39] <NathanaelG> ok, OT, though. I am a big fan of dragons and there is a product one can only order in the uk. I would prepay of course, it s about 40 pound
[16:39] <NathanaelG> And I know noone in the uk :-(
[16:39] <bigcalm[wolvs]> Screw you guys, I'm going home
[16:40] <NathanaelG> bigcalm[wolvs]: hope it wasn t me causing it ;-)
[16:41] <Monsterwizard> in virtual box
[16:41] <Monsterwizard> I can't make it to go full screen
[16:42] <Monsterwizard> the full screen view...isn't full screen
[16:43] <kvarley> Monsterwizard: You need to install guest editions or edit the resolution mode using VboxManage
[16:43] <NathanaelG> Would someone be so kind as to help me out with this?
[16:43] <Monsterwizard> Kvarley ahhh I'm on it
[16:44] <Monsterwizard> kvarley I'm guessing install the guest editions would be easier
[16:45] <kvarley> Monsterwizard: Yup
[16:45] <Monsterwizard> ooo got an update for virtual box to install firsr
[16:53] <Monsterwizard> which is the best virtual disk to use?
[16:53] <Monsterwizard> Bloody hell D:
[16:53] <Monsterwizard> There's VDI, VMDK, VHD, HDD
[16:59] <kirrus> Monsterwizard: virtual disk? You mean, RAM file system?
[16:59] <Monsterwizard> I choose virtual disk in the ned
[16:59] <Monsterwizard> I'm not sure
[16:59] <kirrus> Monsterwizard: not sure what you're after! :)
[16:59] <Monsterwizard> lol me too :P
[16:59] <Monsterwizard> Gotta learn about this stuff
[17:02] <JGJones> hmm...did 10.10 remove the "Leave a message" function from the screensaver lock screen?
[17:03] <Monsterwizard> JGJones god no
[17:04] <JGJones> Monsterwizard, look like it's removed...don't see the Leave Message button.
[17:04] <Monsterwizard> :O
[17:05] <kirrus> I'm running gnome2 on 10.10, and it's still got it, so probably something to do with unity
[17:06] <kirrus> (unity decided that swapping around my workspaces randomly every now and then was fun)
[17:06] <Univoid> hi guys i looking for a good IDE for c++ monodevelop is good but lacks good code completion also it hangs an awful lot
[17:07] <Monsterwizard> netbeans
[17:07] <kirrus> Eclipse?
[17:09] <Monsterwizard> virtual machine scares me
[17:09] <Monsterwizard> it wont actually touch windows partition will it?
[17:24] <dwatkins> it can't, Monsterwizard
[17:24] <dwatkins> (well it can if you configure a shared drive that the guest operating system can write to, but generally the guest can't make changes on the host)
[17:30] <Univoid> i have tried eclipse from repositories but it does not seem an up to date version
[18:22]  * bigcalm returns to haunt you all
[18:23] <mgdm> nooooooooooooooooo
[18:25]  * gord gets out the ghost-b-gone
[18:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: Boo!
[18:27]  * mgdm calls the Ghostbusters
[18:29] <bigcalm> ARGH
[18:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: sorry for the quick departure this evening. I had pre-agreed to be home to have dinner with Hayley. If you fancy going to the pub next month to laugh at the sober people, that would be fun
[18:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I wanted to get home for tea anyway.
[18:32] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[18:36] <Azelphur> are there any alternatives to conky?
[18:39] <jacobw> gkrellm?
[18:39] <jacobw> its quite old school
[18:40] <Azelphur> yea, I don't really like oldschool :/
[18:40] <Azelphur> I'm into new and shiny
[18:42] <Azelphur> that's the problem with conky really, it's rather old and non-modular, doesn't have proper transparency and is kinda buggy
[18:42] <Azelphur> and the config for it is rather bad too :p
[19:05] <Monsterwizard> http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16084156
[19:05] <Monsterwizard> http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16084156
[19:05] <Monsterwizard> Brace yourself for the £10 loaf everybody!
[19:06] <AlanBell> we can always eat cake instead
[19:09] <popey> or pie
[19:09] <popey> mmmm pie
[19:09] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[19:09] <popey> -!- TheOpenSourcerer [~alord@81-178-65-1.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Getting Pie.]
[19:16]  * AlanBell is using putty on windows :(
[19:16] <Monsterwizard> putty?
[19:16] <Monsterwizard> I'm stuck
[19:16] <AlanBell> friend sprung the "can you fix this laptop?" thing on me
[19:17] <Azelphur> IT'S A TRAP. RUN.
[19:17] <Monsterwizard> I can't make the virtual box go true full screen
[19:17] <AlanBell> putty is a windows ssh client
[19:17] <Monsterwizard> why don't they do this by default?
[19:17] <Monsterwizard> Virtual PC from MS does :/
[19:17] <AlanBell> Monsterwizard: right control+f
[19:17] <Azelphur> why would you want a VM in full screen? :/
[19:17] <Azelphur> that makes no sense, you might as well run the OS native lol
[19:17] <AlanBell> (or left control if they wired your keyboard backwards)
[19:18] <Monsterwizard> Azelphur
[19:18] <Monsterwizard> :P I know
[19:18] <Monsterwizard> but something went terribly wrong once
[19:30] <Monsterwizard> my screen goes dimmer when I use ubuntu in Virtual Box
[20:05] <gr33npeace> evening everyone... I've updated to the latest version of flash in both firefox 7 and chrome 14 and it's actually locking up the whole OS... can't even drop down to one of the other ttys
[20:05] <gr33npeace> is anyone else seeing this, or can you help me diagnose?  :)
[20:07] <Monsterwizard> ubuntu?
[20:07] <Monsterwizard> I'm updating everything now to see if the problem is universal
[20:07] <Monsterwizard> have you tried google?
[20:08] <gr33npeace> yes... only updated this morning though, and couldn't find much online..
[20:08] <gr33npeace> ubuntu 11.04, running on a Dell m1330 w/ nvidia
[20:09] <gr33npeace> best way to reproduce it, as far as I can see, is to watch a youtube video or two, and then close the tab
[20:10] <Monsterwizard> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTSCKordZs&feature=fvwrel
[20:10] <Monsterwizard> yup it works >.<
[20:11] <gr33npeace> Monsterwizard: it crashed your system as well?
[20:13] <Monsterwizard> noppe
[20:13] <Monsterwizard> it's just as terrible as ever D:
[20:13] <Monsterwizard> try the main ubuntu support channel
[20:13] <gr33npeace> hahaha, ok thanks mate  :)
[20:14] <gr33npeace> I suspect it's going to be something nvidia-y
[20:57] <Monsterwizard> Can someone tell me a story
[20:57] <Monsterwizard> of themselves doing as really cool electronics project
[20:57] <Monsterwizard> EEs always have cool stories
[21:11] <KrimZon_2> for some reason newer ubuntus don't connect to my wireless network
[21:12] <KrimZon_2> although I'm currently trying xubuntu 11.10 beta
[21:14] <silner> KrimZon_2, What card?
[21:15] <KrimZon_2> I can't remember
[21:15] <KrimZon_2> I copied manual settings off another machine - it might be my network config that I forgot about
[21:35] <KrimZon_2> bah, the installer crashed
[21:35] <KrimZon_2> claiming the disc was corrupt or something
[22:52] <Azelphur> Ok I officially won at breaking things, Nobody can beat me now. http://imgur.com/iHPn6
[22:54] <mgdm> did you break sudo or the reboot command, though? :)
[22:54] <Azelphur> I think I broke everything, pretty much anything I ran segfaulted
[22:54] <Azelphur> hard rebooted, dropped to a tty and did an apt-get upgrade, that seemed to fix whatever it was
[22:55] <mgdm> I suspect something like a mismatched glibc or some similar exciting thing
[22:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:23] <Seeker`> Azelphur: wut?! You're like the grim reaper for computers
[23:24] <Azelphur> indeed