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* Cheesehead reminds eveyone of the MEETING IN 57 MINUTES00:03
shayonjthis is so not a good day. RIP steve jobs ..00:07
* shayonj will be late for the meeting. have fun guys.00:10
h00khio all.00:47
h00kI'm currently on the phone with my ISP00:47
h00kI'm surprised I;m online at the moment.00:48
h00kIf I drop out, please try to carry on without me.00:48
h00kero, of the meeting00:48
h00knot the loco, no worries.00:48
h00kwe've been having terribly service with the ISP.00:48
h00kI'm on hold to talk with a manager.00:49
CheeseheadNo problemo00:49
CheeseheadThough we will, of course, miss you terribly00:50
* Cheesehead loads up on treats in the atrium before sauntering into the meeting hall00:53
h00khttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1322/detail/00:54
h00kbrb.00:54
h00kapologies00:54
h00kgot someone pn the pone00:54
h00k*on00:54
CheeseheadTake all the time you need. We got your six.00:54
h00kIf you call Frontier enough, you get the same tech support guy.00:57
h00kHe remembered me.00:57
* Cheesehead laughs00:57
h00kThat's an indication of how much I call.00:57
CheeseheadThree minutes with somebody you talked to before...indicative of a successful resolution?00:58
h00kHe took nots again, on hold to talk to a supervisor00:58
h00k*notes00:58
h00kslash manager, whatever.00:59
h00khe's here00:59
mikeputnamMEETING ADJOURNED01:00
CheeseheadI couldn't have said it better myself01:00
Cheeseheadh00k: Are you available for #startmeeting?01:00
CheeseheadWould anyone like to chair ?01:01
* mikeputnam is sitting on a folding chair01:01
Cheesehead#startmeeting01:01
CheeseheadCould everyone active please give a hands-up? (o/)01:02
Cheesehead(Taking attendance)01:02
Cheesehead(It counts for your grade)01:02
croghiya01:02
Cheesehead(There's a quiz later)01:03
* exigraff stumbles in01:04
Cheesehead#topic: Admin announcements:01:05
CheeseheadPlease help yourselves to the refreshments in the atrium01:05
Cheesehead#topic: Upcoming Events01:05
CheeseheadLet's see...http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/events01:05
CheeseheadUbuntu Hour Friday in MKE01:05
CheeseheadUbuntu Hour next week in MSN01:06
CheeseheadAnybody ready to start another Ubuntu Hour elsewhere?01:06
CheeseheadAnybody planning to attend either Ubuntu Hour? (If so, which?)01:06
CheeseheadWe currently have no Release Parties (Oct 13 or so) on the calendar. Anybody planning any?01:07
* Cheesehead taps the microphone01:08
CheeseheadIs this thing on?01:08
CheeseheadOkay, everybody shut up now. Let's move on to the next topic.01:09
Cheesehead#topic: Release Parties01:09
croghear hear!01:09
CheeseheadOh. Well.01:09
CheeseheadHave we covered Release Parties?01:10
* Cheesehead scrolls back 8 lines01:10
Cheesehead#topic: Ubuntu Hour Reminders01:10
* Cheesehead scrolls back 15 lines01:11
h00kI hi friends!01:11
h00kCurrent status: On the phone with Frontier01:11
h00kin and out01:11
CheeseheadWe were just discussing Release parties01:12
h00kHas anyone planned anything in their area?01:12
h00kbrb.01:12
CheeseheadSeems not.01:12
Cheesehead#Topic: September Wrap-Up01:12
CheeseheadSept was a really amazing month01:13
CheeseheadWe did the first MKE Ubuntu Hour01:13
CheeseheadWe did two events for Global Jam01:13
CheeseheadRick did the Radio Interview01:13
CheeseheadAnd more01:13
CheeseheadSo it seems we *can* do events.01:14
* Cheesehead mops his brow01:14
* Cheesehead adjusts his tie01:14
CheeseheadTough crowd01:14
* crog makes ready with some tomatos...01:15
Cheesehead#topic: Brainstorm of activity, participation, interests01:15
CheeseheadWhat can we do to generate more activity for members?01:15
CheeseheadMore chat in the channel?01:15
CheeseheadMore cool stuff on the mailing list?01:15
CheeseheadMore interaction with other cool Ubuntu people?01:16
* Cheesehead holds out the microphone to the audience01:16
* crog gets ready to jump in...01:16
crogso being relatively new...01:17
crogI feel like I don't really know who folks are - cept for maybe one or two01:17
crogOne impression was with IRC01:17
crogSince I didn't realize folks logged on, and kept a presence even when away01:18
crogI was like... hmmm... quiet place01:18
crogbut the forum seemed to say, "all of the activity is in the channel"01:18
crogThen... joined a couple of the bug jam sessions - completely different experience01:19
crogCheesehead, I think your initial questions are good - all of those would be good things01:20
crogwould be best if those things happened on their own, as a result of more activity01:21
* Cheesehead holds the microphone oput to anyone else01:21
Cheesehead...oops, sorry crog, didn;t mean to step on your toes01:21
crognope...01:21
* crog steps back to listen...01:22
CheeseheadWell, if anyone's interested, I'm hosting IRC sessions this month TUE & THU at 20:00 - 21:00 CDT01:23
CheeseheadBring an issue or project you want to teach us or lear from one of ours.01:24
* shayonj is back01:24
CheeseheadWe had a good time last night...virtual pizza-and-beer01:24
CheeseheadSort of an IRC version of the Ubuntu Hour. Get to know new people, find out what they are interested in.01:24
CheeseheadOne new fellow was packaging, and another happened to be experienced with it, so they talked shop in the corner.01:25
CheeseheadIf anyone wants to host sessions on your favorite topic, go right ahead and announce it on the mailing list and here. Don;t need to wait for a meeting.01:26
* Cheesehead offers the floor once more to anyone who wants to talk about how we can make the team more fun and interesting and active01:27
shayonjmaybe the time is not suitable for everyone to be at the meeting..maybe we should take care of that first..01:28
h00kHi!01:28
* crog likes the idea of regular "drop-in" and work on something sessions01:29
Cheeseheadh00k: Are you back for real?01:29
h00kApparently01:29
shayonjwe have only have a few members in the meeting01:29
h00kI see that, reading the backlog no01:29
h00kw01:29
Cheeseheadshayonj: I suspect no time will be good for everyone. We have tried polls in the past, and still had few show up01:30
shayonjCheesehead, i see01:30
h00k^ this is true01:30
CheeseheadMy opinion is not to wait for a larger consensus - if there is interest in shifting the time later, then we can shift it.01:30
h00kSo. A bit about involvement - Rick Schwai was an excellent speaker to see in RHinelander.01:31
shayonjCheesehead, do we have a list or a place where , it shows what the members are good at or are willing to do for ubutu ?01:31
crogThat will always be a challenge I suspect - so pick what works for most, and post the minutes...01:31
shayonjubuntu *01:31
h00kshayonj: we do, in fact!01:31
h00kloco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/events01:31
h00koh. Not what you asked.01:31
shayonjh00k, then we should look into it and plan events accoridng to that. which interests everybody01:31
crogshayonj: thats a great idea01:32
h00kshayonj: I mis-read your question, apologies.01:32
* Cheesehead yields the chair to h00k 01:32
shayonjh00k, no worries ;)01:32
shayonjcrog, thanks01:32
h00kshayonj: we have done interest surveys in the past, with a small spattering of actual responses01:32
h00klet me pull it up01:32
shayonjh00k, sure and did we do anything with that ?01:33
shayonjas in used it in any way ?01:33
h00kshayonj: we tried to get involvement using those interests, in which didn't have much of a response.01:33
shayonji see01:33
CheeseheadWell, the most recent survey led directly to the Sept Bug Jam01:35
crogfor interests and current projects, it seems folks could self-publish on launchpad profile, or if we had a more "local" version (member profile on the loco team?)01:35
crogI wasn't around for the survey, but joined the bug jam...01:35
h00kThe wiki would be a nice place, I think, for this. Or ubuntu-wisconsin.org, we started a member aggregation integration with Launchpad but it was never really finished01:36
CheeseheadThere are different elements here to balance: Technical, Schedule, Social. I try different combinations to see what gets a superior response. This season I'm working social.01:36
shayonj+101:36
h00khttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0As9TKp7GKnzVdElwRWd1QXRCV2dSYkQ2V1ZwZW1FRXc&output=html01:37
h00kThree of the respondants I haven't seen in a while01:38
CheeseheadHuh, I'm not even on there.01:39
h00kWhat tends to happen: We get an interest in a particular area, we try to plan or do something about this to incorporate it, and people either don't show up, or can't01:39
crogIt's pretty interesting to read through01:39
h00kit's mostly a 'dont' type01:39
h00kIt is, yeah.01:39
h00kActually.01:39
h00kLet me save that copy, and I can re-send.01:40
h00kNow we have a trinned down launchpad presence with people that manually re-upped their membership01:40
crogI think it probably starts with figuring out why people join in the first place01:40
h00kI still don't have access to the mailing list (the password for administration was forlorn before I became the contact)01:40
h00kso, I have no idea who is actually on the mailing list01:40
shayonjcrog, +101:40
crogAnd as I read through this - there are a few common themes01:40
h00kyes01:41
crogas well as a few where, I know my reasons are different.01:41
CheeseheadWell, the reasons on papaer may also not be the real reasons.01:42
CheeseheadPeople are very good at self-deception sometimes.01:42
crogso whatever the reason - if we find things we *enjoy* doing01:43
shayonj just curious is there a goal/target/motive setup for our loco ?01:43
crogand there are a few folks that also enjoy it01:43
crogit'd be great to work together.01:43
h00kshayonj: indeed, ther eis01:43
* h00k waits for intrnet to load...01:43
h00kThis team is a collection of Ubuntu users in the state of Wisconsin, working collaboratively to support each other, encourage others to get involved, and promote Ubuntu, open source, open standards, and freedom of thought and information in technology across the state.01:43
crogh00k: mission statement?01:44
shayonjh00k, thanks01:44
h00kit can be found on http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org01:44
* h00k checks autorenew status on the domain01:45
h00kGood.01:45
h00kLet me update this and re-send it.01:45
CheeseheadPerhaps we need to improve the orientation to the LoCo on the website or wiki page?01:45
shayonjboth i would say01:46
shayonjyou never know which one the user visits often or at first01:46
h00k^ as in, what do you mean?01:46
Cheeseheadh00k: Perhaps shayonj could draft a few recommnedations offline for you to review.01:47
h00kAbsolutely01:47
h00kr for us to review01:47
h00k*r. This lag eats keystrokes.01:47
h00k**OR01:47
shayonjlol01:47
shayonjCheesehead, recommendations on ?01:48
shayonjh00k, that happens ;)01:48
CheeseheadSame for everyone new? Remember your questions, and suggest a better way to orient new members?01:48
Cheesehead(Good topic to move to the mailing list?)01:48
shayonjoh okay01:49
shayonjsure01:49
shayonjand deadlines ?01:49
shayonjs/and/any01:49
* crog has enough of those at work...01:50
CheeseheadWell, if you delay too long, we might use somebody else's idea.01:50
h00kI updated the interest form. I can re-send out.01:50
shayonjhow about before this weekend ?01:50
CheeseheadOr synthesize an improvement from multiple discussions01:50
shayonjor by saturday evening ?01:50
shayonjCheesehead, +101:51
h00kAn idea would be...on ubuntu-wisconsin.org, as a "Are you new here? Here's how to get started."01:51
h00k1) Join us on Launchpad! (here's why...blablabla)01:52
h00k2) Join the mailing list (here's where important things happen!)01:52
h00k3) Drop an email to the mailing list introducing ourself (if you want!)01:52
h00ketc, etc.01:52
h00kHello, emeitner01:52
shayonj3/4) introduce or shoot an annoucement on mailing list01:52
emeitnerHi01:52
shayonjhah.. :P01:53
shayonjemeitner, hi01:53
h00kemeitner: welcome welcome!01:53
emeitnerHey shayonj01:53
h00kemeitner: we're just going over some ideas to help out new additions to the LoCo with...how to get started01:53
Cheeseheademeitner: We're just discussing how to better orient new people01:53
Cheeseheadto the LoCo01:54
bigbashoh good meeting is still going on, just got home from vball01:54
h00kblindfolding them and spinning people in a circle doesn't work well, apparently.01:54
h00kbigbash: welcome!01:54
bigbashthanks01:55
CheeseheadPerhaps 21:00 is a better meeting time?01:55
h00kemeitner: do you care to introduce yourself?01:55
h00ksure, we can try that01:55
* Cheesehead remembers emeitner from yesterday01:56
Cheesehead20:11 < emeitner> I am the systems administrator for a natural foods cooperative in Madison.01:56
h00kemeitner: I'll start.  My name is Anthony, I'm the Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo Contact. I try to help get us to do fun things all around the state, as well as online.01:57
h00kOH, I missed that.01:57
h00kOnce again, I blame Frontier.01:57
* h00k sighs01:57
h00kemeitner: I make my own Kombucha!01:57
emeitnerHi all. Just lurking to see whats going on tonight. My use of Ubuntu is primarily as a sysadmin...as cheesehead points out. :)01:57
CheeseheadLet's *all* blame Frontier. It's more fun that way.01:57
h00k^ thisplease01:57
emeitnerWe have 65 Ubuntu 10.04 workstations in out organization.01:58
h00kMy ticket is in some 'Presidental Escillation Team' or something that sounded corporate-y.01:58
* emeitner begins lurking01:58
h00kemeitner: excellent. welcome.01:58
CheeseheadDon't let that lurking fool you. He's a great fellow, broad knowledge base, and very funny01:59
h00kemeitner: I'm up in Rhinelander. I work in IT for a local company that provides technology to small, medium, and large businesses in the area, public schools, and Tribal organizations and government.02:00
h00kMostly Windows, but everyone in my organizations knows my loyalties are with Ubuntu and Linux.02:00
h00kemeitner: out of curiosity, do you use Landscape at all?02:01
emeitnerNo. Too costly. I use a few open-source tools to manage pushing out changes to machines.02:02
h00kCool. Puppet??02:02
h00kshayonj: Care to draft something like the 1,2,3 steps? We can use this both on the domain (http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org) as well as the wiki02:04
shayonjh00k, sure..but is it fine if i have it by saturday. i will have it by evening ?02:05
h00kshayonj: sure!02:05
shayonjcool02:06
h00kI'll get out this interest form, we can also add it to a list of thigs to do02:06
h00k*things02:06
shayonjsounds good02:06
h00kCheesehead: did I forget/miss anything that needs to be taken care of?02:06
h00kUbuntu Hours, they're fun. Attend if ou can!02:07
CheeseheadNo.02:07
h00k*you02:07
CheeseheadWait, I have two announcements before you close.02:07
h00khmmm, nobody got around to planning release parties (I would have loved to, but I didn't have time :()02:07
h00kOh I did too, but let me remember what it was.02:07
CheeseheadThursday (tomorrow) at 20:00 I'll be hosting a session in this channel. Bring a topic! If nobody has a topic, my fallback will be my classic conspiracy theory: "Coverup: The 1898 Martian Invasion of London was REAL!"02:07
CheeseheadFriday the MKE Ubuntu Hour: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1094/detail/02:08
Cheesehead(EOF)02:08
h00kMadison on October 1502:08
h00khttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1087/detail/02:08
h00kOh. Hey. I remember.02:08
h00kI think I'm going to start preparing for the application process to become an officially recognized LoCo.02:09
h00kforget the "I think" part. I will.02:09
emeitnerh00k: no, not puppet. slaughter(http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/slaughter/index.html).Super simple. Extensible with basic perl code.02:09
* Cheesehead nudges h00k for an October Meeting date, in that case02:09
h00kemeitner: ah, cool, I haven't used this previously.02:10
h00kCheesehead: It *IS* October!02:11
h00koh, another one.02:11
h00k;)02:11
h00kHow about...3 weeks02:11
h00kALSO02:11
h00kOnline Release Party sometime.02:11
h00kI'll send an email out coordinating that.02:11
Cheesehead+ 1 3 weeks02:12
Cheesehead+1 Online release party02:12
h00kat 21:00pm. Wednesday. 3 weeks from Today.02:12
h00kAs usual, I'm always connected to the channel if anyone wants to drop me a line. I'm easy to find on Google, mailing list, etc, etc.02:12
h00kAnything else anybody else wants to add?02:13
shayonjnope02:13
* Cheesehead sits on his hands02:13
h00kCheesehead: they'll fall asleep :(02:14
h00kAnd with that, I think we're set. Sorry for the late arrival.02:15
h00kCorporate knows my woes.02:15
h00kalso, that I'm not terribly excited.02:15
bigbashSet the online release party to this: http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/02:15
h00kbigbash: Yes02:15
h00kalso, #ubuntu-release-party for crazy shenanigans02:16
h00kbut we should have one here.02:16
Cheeseheadunlimited virtual pizza02:16
h00kAlso, $beverage.02:16
h00kAlso, I want Tshirts someday.02:17
bigbashi<3 virtual pizza, it's so low in calories02:17
* crog tried the virtual beverage last night... briefly. Will have to go with the real thing next time.02:17
CheeseheadI was talking to YoBoY from ubuntu-fr about how they do T-shirts. 150 every 6 months.02:18
h00kO.O02:18
h00kThat's a lot.02:18
h00kAwesome.02:18
CheeseheadTHey hold in-person release parties with 5000-6000 attendees02:18
bigbashi am choosing to read that as 1.5002:18
h00kCool.02:20
h00kWell, I think the meeting is done02:20
h00kI have my TODO02:20
CheeseheadNeed a sponsor to buy the shirts, and give them space on the front or back. Advantages and disadvantages to both.02:20
* Cheesehead will update the wiki and reports to reflect the meeting...tomorrow afternoon. Early morning Thursday.02:20
bigbashWhat about Spreadshirt?02:21
CheeseheadSpreadshirt?02:21
bigbashCan make the logo or whatever and put it on there.02:22
bigbashspreadshirt.com02:22
* Cheesehead is looking02:22
h00kCafe Press02:23
bigbashthat too02:24
bigbashI'm going to switch from laptop to desktop brb02:24
h00kspreadshity, cool02:24
h00k...02:24
h00kspreadshirt.02:24
h00k!language > h00k02:24
lubotu1`h00k, please see my private message02:24
CheeseheadSpreadshirt costs seem competitive with a place I know in MKE. The place I know, though, lets me check out the shirt quality.02:24
h00kCheesehead: cool. We could do a -put-money-in-the-pot- type deal, a pay-for-your-own02:26
h00kto mitigate the sponsorship02:26
CheeseheadPerhaps. I prefer a polo or rugby shirt generally to a T-shirt. I have a million T-shirts.02:26
* Cheesehead has enormous closets02:27
h00kor!02:27
h00ker Hoodies or something02:27
h00kPolo would be nice.02:27
h00kYeah, that.02:27
CheeseheadSomething to think about.02:27
h00kYes please.02:27
CheeseheadTime for me to go....02:27
h00kMe as well02:28
h00kCheesehead: thanks for the help02:28
h00kNice to meet you, emeitner02:28
CheeseheadAnytime.02:28
h00kas well as you, shayonj02:28
emeitnerYep. Later.02:28
h00kand crog02:28
croglater...02:28
* Cheesehead ducks out to grab more goodies from the atrium before heading to the parking lot02:28
shayonjh00k, no worries. sorry couldnt be much active here.. this package is pretty good at grabbing my attention to it with its errors02:29
h00kshayonj: continue on, by all means02:29
shayonjhave a good night h00k02:29
shayonjand Cheesehead and crog :)02:30
h00kshayonj: you as wel02:30
h00kl02:30
bigbasheveryone is leaving?02:30
h00kR.I.P. Steve Jobs.02:30
crogbigbash: so they say02:31
h00kbigbash: I'l probably be around02:31
h00kI'll.02:31
bigbashh00k, R.I.P. indeed02:31
crogh00k: righto - haven't used a mac in years, but man - groundbreaking stuff.02:31
h00kIt's true02:31
h00kI was never a fan, but it's sad nonetheless02:31
h00kwhat he did was truely remarkable02:32
h00kI can't send the form because my internet sucks too badly to even open google docs.02:33
h00kI'll do it tomorrow AM at work.02:33
h00k*ahem* before work ;)02:33
h00kOfficial COuntdowns are available02:35
h00khttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-countdown-banner-winner-revealed/02:36
pr0xySo, I missed the meeting because i didn't get the email until 45 min ago...12:45
pr0xywhat did I miss?12:48
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h00kHi, DavidLevin14:37
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