[05:49] <Kilos> morning superfly and other early birds
[05:50] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:25] <sakhi> morning Kilos superfly and #ubuntu-za
[06:25] <Kilos> hi there sakhi 
[06:25] <superfly> morning sakhi
[07:16] <Kilos> morning MPD morgs sdehaan 
[07:16] <Kilos> aw i missed squirm
[07:22] <morgs> hiya
[07:27] <superfly> yo morgs!
[07:50] <magespawn> howdy all
[07:50] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[07:51] <magespawn> hey kilos
[07:51] <magespawn> i have a little problem
[07:52] <magespawn> my laptop is giving me a grub rescue prompt
[07:52] <Kilos> tell what it is then someone will try to help you
[07:52] <Kilos> oh my
[07:52] <Kilos> been there
[07:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google grub rescue prompt on booting
[07:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Grub2 - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 :: "Booting from Grub Rescue" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/booting-from-grub-rescue-582799/ :: "How to chroot Ubuntu using Live CD to fix GRUB rescue prompt ..." http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/how-to-chroot-to-ubuntu-using-live-cd-to-fix-grub-rescue-prompt/ :: "Solving Boot Problems with Grub - 2nd Edition" http://www.linuxf
[07:54] <Kilos> do you have a live cd magespawn 
[07:55] <Kilos> or bootable ubuntu stick
[07:55] <magespawn> have both
[07:56] <Kilos> one of the above links will help you
[07:56] <magespawn> ty will have a look
[07:56] <Kilos> http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/how-to-chroot-to-ubuntu-using-live-cd-to-fix-grub-rescue-prompt/
[07:56] <Kilos> methinks that one
[07:58] <magespawn> yup the others are for a dual boot setup
[08:05] <magespawn> well at least it is only the rgub
[08:05] <magespawn> ]grub
[08:05] <magespawn> i will get this right grub
[08:06] <Kilos> mine did that once and that chroot bit worked
[08:06] <Kilos> you actually use the cd to reinstall grub if i member right
[08:18] <nuvolari> o/ lo everyone
[08:27] <magespawn> hi nuvolari
[08:27] <Kilos> more nuvolari 
[08:35] <magespawn> kilos slight problem when i enter this $ sudo mount /dev/sdax /mnt/myroot
[08:35] <magespawn> where sdax is the hard drive
[08:35] <Kilos> sda1
[08:35] <Kilos> what else is on the pc
[08:36] <magespawn> nothing just ubuntu
[08:36] <Kilos> then its sda1
[08:36] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[08:37] <Kilos> magespawn, if i remember right some of the steps didnt seem to work here either but at the end it still fixed the grub
[08:37] <magespawn> okay
[08:37] <magespawn> will persist
[08:37] <Kilos> the last half or even 1/2 of the commands
[08:38] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[08:38] <Kilos> 1/4
[08:38] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn 
[08:38] <kbmonkey> did you get right with the upgrade?
[08:38] <Kilos> he booted to grub rescue kbmonkey 
[08:39] <kbmonkey> ah well no i'm lost, I thought it was an upgrade :p
[08:40] <magespawn> that was another machine
[08:40] <magespawn> this is my laptop
[08:46] <kbmonkey> wow hows that news for apple
[08:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, when is our next meeting?
[08:48] <kbmonkey> Im not sure Kilos, but don't think I can chair it. have no net in the evenings for the while
[08:49] <Kilos> make the usb modem work and only use irc then data will be min
[08:50] <kbmonkey> wow there sure are some smelly folks here in the internet cafe o_O
[08:50] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[08:50] <Kilos> lol
[08:52] <Kilos> you gotta chair the meeting. jou werk is jou werk
[08:53] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[08:53] <nlsthzn> Good morning/afternoon uncle Kilos 
[08:54] <Kilos> oh ya you 2 hours ahead hey
[08:57] <kbmonkey> think the last monday of the month?
[08:58] <Kilos> lol so you got time to get organised then
[08:58] <Kilos> hehe
[08:59] <nlsthzn> o/ kbmonkey 
[08:59] <kbmonkey> hi nlsthzn //
[09:02] <magespawn> i used this kilos https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Rescue_Mode_.28.27.27grub_rescue.3E.27.27.29_Booting
[09:02] <Kilos> and its fixed magespawn ?
[09:03] <magespawn> well i can get into my laptop but now i have to tell it to use that all the the time
[09:04] <magespawn> 1. set prefix=(hdX,Y)/boot/grub
[09:04] <magespawn> 2.* set root=(hdX,Y)
[09:04] <magespawn> 3. insmod normal
[09:04] <magespawn> 4. normal
[09:04] <Kilos> sudo update-grub
[09:04] <magespawn> after that it boots into my laptop straight away
[09:05] <Kilos> once in you should be able to fix it
[09:05] <magespawn> nope
[09:05] <Kilos> look in synaptic and reinstall grub-pc and grub2 i think
[09:06] <Kilos> oh
[09:06] <Kilos> wait while i think
[09:07] <Kilos> whew
[09:07] <Kilos> got some memories of actually removing grub then installing again
[09:08] <magespawn> when i use those command above  i get into my laptop but when i restart i end up back at the grub rescue prompt
[09:08] <Kilos> there is a way to get boot back
[09:09] <Kilos> i think i was bootpc wait i go look in synaptic
[09:10] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install boot-repair
[09:12] <Kilos> and boot-repair-ubuntu i think
[09:15] <kbmonkey> magespawn, did you try run update-grub as Kilos said?
[09:15] <kbmonkey> that should redetect and recreate your grub settings
[09:15] <magespawn> yup but on restart still came up with grub rescue prompt
[09:16] <Kilos> try boot-repair magespawn 
[09:17] <Kilos> something wrong in grub.cfg
[09:18] <Kilos> or the link between 
[09:18] <Kilos> um
[09:18] <Kilos> mbr and boot missing
[09:18] <kbmonkey> did you try reinstall grub with the grub-install command?
[09:18] <kbmonkey> reinstalling grub via synaptic wont do anything useful
[09:19] <Kilos> i tried so many things i cant remember all of them
[09:19] <kbmonkey> magespawn, in a terminal do 'man grub-install'
[09:20] <kbmonkey> it tells you how to install it. do this from within your ubuntu
[09:20] <Kilos> i think i actually had to do it from root once as well
[09:20] <Kilos> sudo -i
[09:21] <kbmonkey> thats right Kilos, you need root/admin access to do any grub stuff
[09:21] <kbmonkey> the mbr sounds fine as you get to what is called the stage 1 boot loader
[09:22] <kbmonkey> try grub-install and that will replace any broken grub files, and it should also udpate in one go
[09:22] <kbmonkey> my time is up again folks
[09:22] <Kilos> ah, i installed everything again, mbr included
[09:22] <Kilos> ok kbmonkey  be good and see ya soon
[09:22] <Kilos> ty for the help
[09:22] <magespawn> later kbmonkey
[09:23] <magespawn> ty
[09:23] <kbmonkey> that ubuntu help page on grub is pretty comprehensive, just take your time with it :)
[09:24] <Kilos> yeah it must be repairable back to standard boot without needing commands in grub rescue
[09:25] <kbmonkey> grub rescue is the same as grub ;)
[09:25] <kbmonkey> useful if you cannot get into your normal system
[09:25] <Kilos> yeah but its frightening to boot to the grub rescue prompt then you need other commands
[09:26] <kbmonkey> a live usb/cd would also work
[09:26] <Kilos> he tried that as well
[09:26] <Kilos> used these to get in
 1. set prefix=(hdX,Y)/boot/grub
 2.* set root=(hdX,Y)
 3. insmod normal
 4. normal
[09:27] <magespawn> that is not working now either now i am booting fron live cd
[09:27] <Kilos> eish
[09:27] <Kilos> what happened
[09:28] <Kilos> now try the first links commands
[09:28] <magespawn> not so serious will just reinstall if i have too
[09:28] <Kilos> the chroot ones
[09:28] <magespawn> who knows me messing around thats what
[09:28] <Kilos> lol
[09:29] <kbmonkey> this help page saved my butt many times, the methods here do work :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[09:29] <kbmonkey> ciao amigos!
[09:32] <Kilos> magespawn, did that lappy have winsucks on before
[09:34] <magespawn> yes
[09:34] <magespawn> but been running ubuntu long time now
[09:35] <Kilos> i remember xp adds something to mbr that blocked ubuntu getting in here and install mbr from root fixed that
[09:35] <Kilos> very frustrating prob that
[09:39] <Kilos> magespawn, did the boot-repair tool not work or havent you tried it?
[09:39] <superfly> Kilos: it's not that the MBR "blocks" Ubuntu, its just doesn't support anything other than Windows
[09:39] <magespawn> where was i supposed to try that from again?
[09:40] <magespawn> lol
[09:40] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install boot-repair
[09:40] <magespawn> but from the live cd
[09:40] <magespawn> ?
[09:40] <Kilos> then you find it in system admin
[09:41] <Kilos> mount your drive 
[09:41] <Kilos> those chroot commands
[09:41] <Kilos> then install boot-repair
[09:43] <Kilos> i dont know if installing from the cd actually goes into your installation if you dont mount the drive first
[09:44] <Kilos> try it from the cd and see if you find it in system administration
[09:45] <magespawn> could not find package
[09:49] <magespawn> when i type sudo update-grub i get cannot find a device for / is it mounted?
[09:49] <magespawn> yes it 
[09:50] <Kilos> oh my
[09:50] <Kilos> Maaz, google boot-repair for ubuntu
[09:50] <Maaz> Kilos: "Boot-Repair - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair :: "RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Community Ubuntu ..." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows :: ""Boot-Repair": Fix Ubuntu Boot Issues (After Installing Another OS Or ..." http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/boot-repair-fix-ubuntu-boot-issues.html :: "Boot-Repair - Simple tool to repair frequent boot 
[09:50] <Kilos> Maaz, hellooooo
[09:50] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[09:51] <Kilos> oh ty superfly 
[09:52] <Kilos> magespawn, what happens if you do sudo update
[09:53] <Kilos> i have boot-repair in synaptic
[09:53] <Kilos> whew head not working well
[09:53] <magespawn> hold on
[09:53] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update i think
[09:58] <magespawn> brb something happening hold on
[09:59] <Kilos> k
[10:01] <magespawn> taking awhile to load the boot-repair
[10:02] <magespawn> but that is now installed and up and running
[10:02] <magespawn> this here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[10:03] <magespawn> busy running through the first option now
[10:04] <Kilos> there was clean-ubiquity as well
[10:05] <Kilos> i dunno if they come together
[10:05] <magespawn> here we go lets see what happens now
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffe would be nice
[10:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:10]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:11] <magespawn> that worked
[10:11] <magespawn> yes
[10:11] <magespawn> yes yes
[10:11] <Kilos> lol yay
[10:12] <Kilos> i told you that long ago
[10:12] <magespawn> right now i have to try and get the other machine to work as well
[10:12] <Kilos> whats wrong there
[10:12] <Kilos> while you on this one reinstall mbr
[10:13] <Kilos> try get rid of the windows stuff in mbr
[10:13] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall mbr
[10:13] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[10:13] <Maaz> Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, 
[10:13] <Kilos> sigh
[10:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:14] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:14] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[10:15] <Kilos> Maaz, boot-repair
[10:15] <Maaz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[10:34] <magespawn> brb just changing pc
[10:41] <magespawn> howdy
[10:41] <Kilos> wb
[10:41] <magespawn> now on the phone
[10:46] <magespawn> now all i have  to do today is get the upgrade system working
[10:48] <magespawn> kilos ty for the help
[10:49] <Kilos> you welcome magespawn 
[11:13] <magespawn> kilos i think the problem  with the upgrade is the hard ware only 256mb of ram.
[11:13] <Kilos> eish
[11:14] <magespawn> going to try lubuntu
[11:42] <DraZoro> Good day all
[11:46] <DraZoro>  /me waves to sdehaan
[11:46] <superfly> Hi DraZoro
[11:46] <DraZoro> Hello superfly 
[11:47] <DraZoro> I have just installed 11.10 on my desktop ..it looks amazing 
[11:49]  * nlsthzn agrees
[11:59] <magespawn> howdy all
[12:02] <superfly> magespawn: so how was lubuntu?
[12:02] <magespawn> looks like the download i have has a problem will not install to the usb drive
[12:05] <magespawn> will download it again 
[12:11] <Kilos> eish
[12:12] <Kilos> lekker not having data caps
[12:12] <Kilos> hi DraZoro 
[12:12] <DraZoro> Hello Kilos
[12:13]  * DraZoro pays a tribute to Steve Jobs ...may he Rest In Peace
[12:15] <superfly> DraZoro: ah, but the big question is, Will Steve Jobs be laid to rest under an apple tree?
[12:16] <DraZoro> superfly: That is a good question ...I think that will make a big mark.
[12:16] <DraZoro> I sow some one go G+ said iPhone 4S = iPhone 4 Steave Jobs
[12:16] <magespawn> Yup Kilos uncapped adsl ftw
[12:17] <Kilos> yeah
[12:17] <superfly> magespawn: indeed, uncapped FTW :-D
[12:17] <magespawn> only 1mbps though i NEED more speed
[12:17] <DraZoro> Hello magespawn 
[12:17] <magespawn> hi DraZorro
[12:18] <magespawn> at that speed it is going to take me an hour or so to get it
[12:18] <Kilos> hehe try 48kB/s
[12:18] <DraZoro> magaspawn: I am still on limited data bundles ....I am thinking of getting the 3 Gb from 8.ta but I see uncapped is a way to go. 
[12:18] <Kilos> then you will be happy with 1m/s
[12:19] <magespawn> yup all in perspective
[12:19] <DraZoro> What do you think of LTE guys ...Internet is getting a lot faster 
[12:20] <superfly> magespawn: yeah, 4Mbps is pretty awesome
[12:21] <magespawn> my brother in ln law is in the UK told me about a virgin trial 16gbps line to a hundred houses in london
[12:22] <magespawn> i do not think i can get the 4mbps line here in hluhluwe
[12:22] <magespawn> think 1mbps is the fastest here
[12:23] <DraZoro> magaspawn: How much does it cost in you in total per month for the ADSL rental ?
[12:24] <Kilos> DraZoro, dont you use tab with nicks?
[12:24] <Kilos> type mag and hit tab
[12:24] <Kilos> you fast typers dont worry about the little things
[12:25] <DraZoro> Kilos: Wow kilos that rocks 
[12:26] <Kilos> yeah without that my life would be much harder
[12:26] <DraZoro> Kilos: I was not away of this feature .
[12:26] <Kilos> i think the fly told me two years ago about
[12:26] <DraZoro> I am using Empathy 
[12:26] <Kilos> works great with funny nicks
[12:26] <Kilos> ah
[12:27] <DraZoro> Funny I always used tab under bash just never tried it on IRC ....:) I guess we learn new things everyday 
[12:27] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <magespawn> R728 i think DraZorro
[12:32] <magespawn> or R782
[12:34] <DraZoro> magespawn: Ok thanks 
[12:34] <magespawn> i should hope you do 
[12:34] <Kilos> magespawn, i couldnt install ubuntu on my p3 with 256m ram but with 128m more it worked
[12:34] <magespawn> there seems to be some hang up not sure what so trying all sorts of things
[12:36] <Kilos> it used to install halfway then hang
[12:39] <DraZoro> I think text install work much better on low memory 
[12:43] <magespawn> this just hangs completely and at various different stages.
[12:45] <superfly> yeah, as DraZoro said, use the text installer
[12:46] <magespawn> is there a problem installing to sata drives
[12:53] <Kilos> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/installation/68318-no-form-linux-sees-my-sata-hard-drive.html
[12:54] <Kilos> hope that helpps
[12:54] <Kilos> thats not a stutter its a high speed lip flap
[12:55] <magespawn> ha lol
[12:58] <superfly> magespawn: no, I've never had a problem installing to sata drives
[12:58] <superfly> it's just windows
[13:01] <DraZoro> I will catch in later guys ....Keep it cool.
[13:01] <DraZoro> Kilos:  Thanks for the tip once again :)
[13:01] <DraZoro> I will never get nick names wrong once again 
[13:10] <morgs> Maaz: tell DraZoro if you consider 8ta 3G, make sure you have coverage - it is restricted to only Telkom towers so only certain places in the country. Check http://www.8ta.com/coverage/8tanetwork/
[13:10] <Maaz> morgs: Got it, I'll tell DraZoro on freenode
[13:14] <magespawn> well there is the fine print for you
[13:14] <Kilos> ?
[13:15] <magespawn> Kilos what morgs said
[13:16] <Kilos> ah ty
[13:16] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <magespawn> hluhluwe is not even on the map
[13:18] <Kilos> aw
[13:19] <superfly> magespawn: easy way to check if you can get 4Mbps is to go to the telkom site and "check if your exchange supports ADSL"
[13:19] <superfly> https://secureapp.telkom.co.za/checkadsl/check.htm
[13:20] <magespawn> i see from the 8ta site that national coverage is provided by mtn would have been ironic if they used vodacom
[13:21] <magespawn> superfly will check it out
[13:22] <magespawn> it does support 4mbps will have to see how much more that will cost
[13:25] <superfly> magespawn: 4Mbps + uncapped from Afrihost costs me around R1000/month
[13:25] <superfly> magespawn: it might sound expensive, but it's cheaper than the Vodacom Broadband Advanced I was using
[13:26] <magespawn> R899 excluding line rental from mweb
[13:26] <magespawn> voice line rental
[13:26] <magespawn> is that unshaped superfly?
[13:26] <superfly> I have one of the Closer packages on my phone line, free install + a certain number of free calls per month
[13:26] <superfly> magespawn: semi-shaped
[13:26] <superfly> unshaped at night
[13:27] <superfly> it doesn't bother me though, I don't use BitTorrent much
[13:27] <magespawn> i see. i am only at the shop during the day
[13:27] <magespawn> i use the adsl to get a lot of software and such
[13:28] <magespawn> currently costs me R588 plus voice line rental
[13:28] <magespawn> i think that is R180.00 for business
[13:30] <magespawn> can go uncapped and unshaped for 1299 per month.
[13:33]  * tumbleweed is still on WA titan spceial. R600 for 10Mbps DSL + 25 G + free access to WA's mirror
[13:37] <magespawn> i dream of having my own leased line
[13:38] <magespawn> tumbleweed who is that?
[14:02] <magespawn> Maaz google ubuntu text installer
[14:02] <Maaz> magespawn: "Alternative downloads | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download :: "Installation/LowMemorySystems - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems :: "Installation/MinimalCD - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD :: "Installation/FromWindows - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Inst
[14:02] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[14:03] <Maaz> Enjoy magespawn
[14:20] <tumbleweed> magespawn: who is what?
[14:21] <magespawn> WA Titan
[14:23] <tumbleweed> magespawn: webafrica. Titan was a special they had a year or two back
[14:23] <magespawn> okay i see
[14:59] <magespawn> later all home time
[17:07] <Kilos> hehe. just saw on the news who steve jobs is
[17:07] <Kilos> superfly, clever
[17:07] <Kilos> buried under an apple tree
[17:07] <Kilos> hehe
[17:07] <superfly> Kilos: ?
[17:07] <superfly> :-)
[17:07] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:12]  * Kilos wonders where they will bury billy boy
[17:12] <Kilos> under the pearly gates
[18:37] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  kinda dead here hey?
[18:38] <Kilos> inetpro, lewe jy nog?
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, where is everybody
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Not a clue, sorry
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, find them all
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos ... sorry was watching a movie :)
[18:51] <Kilos> np
[18:59]  * superfly is working... again
[19:22] <Kilos> eish.
[19:22] <Kilos> no rest for the wicked
[19:24] <Kilos> luckily i not wicked
[19:24] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:24] <Kilos> not too late superfly 
[19:24] <nlsthzn> o/
[20:04] <zeref> jesus, just spent 2hrs trying to setup my friends wireless connection