[00:00] <timroth> #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:31] <Fudge> would xubuntu run any good on 1gig ram with a 2ghz athlon 3200
[01:32] <GridCube> yes
[01:32] <Fudge> thans GridCube
[01:33] <GridCube> np
[01:33] <Fudge> now would i be better off using vinux to install xubuntu-desktop on or trying to install xubuntu or get a tar of a vanilla install i can use. im blind and use screen readers
[01:33]  * Fudge pings charlie-tca 
[01:34] <GridCube> i don't know Fudge :(
[01:35] <Fudge> mm
[01:35] <Fudge> me neither loL
[01:36] <GridCube> Fudge, I would probably go and install vinux and then do a xubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <Fudge> cool
[01:37] <Fudge> sounds like a plan, ill just kill xdm gdm what ever and startx
[01:37] <Unit193> !purexfce | Fudge
[01:37] <Fudge> Unit193  ive come across that before thanks muchly
[01:38] <GridCube> but you might even try to install xubuntu vanilla using the livecd and manually installing a screen reader to it to use the installer, Fudge
[01:38] <Fudge> dont think it would hurt leaving them there though would it, for gtk dependencies i may need?
[01:38] <GridCube> they shouldn load so it would not matter if they are there or not
[01:38] <Fudge> could try that too GridCube , whats the installer? ubiquity like ubuntu
[01:39] <Unit193> Well, I would think there might be a little clash (nautilus)
[01:39] <Fudge> i need that
[01:39] <Fudge> hense the things i need :D
[01:40] <GridCube> Fudge, yes xubuntu uses ubiquity
[01:40] <Fudge> is the new ver out yet?
[01:40] <GridCube> in less than two weeks
[01:40] <GridCube> :)
[01:40] <Fudge> oh man
[01:40] <Fudge> ill have to wait
[01:41] <GridCube> well thats for the final beta
[01:41] <Fudge> the box im thinking of i thought the onboard vid was stuffed, ofc i was still using it but then when i plugged this one in my monitor still didnt work lol
[01:41] <Unit193> Nope, it will be out in 7-8 days
[01:41] <Fudge> xubuntu builds at the same time doesnt it?
[01:42] <Fudge> hense no delay waiting for xubuntu post oneiric release schedule
[01:42] <GridCube> nope same date
[01:43] <Fudge> sw33t
[01:44] <Fudge> Unit193  i seem to be following you around
[01:44] <Unit193> Fudge: Yep. Stalker...
[01:44] <Fudge> loL
[01:52] <Fudge> charlie-tca  you need to invest in cdrw's
[01:52] <Fudge> loL
[01:52] <Unit193> Fudge: Mind joining us on offtopic? It's not too noisy to try
[01:53] <Fudge> sure
[06:18] <uofm49426> every time i reboot my sound mixer is alway mute well the front mixer
[06:19] <uofm49426> using xubuntu 10.10 have hda ati sb
[06:23] <uofm49426> do i have to save mixer settings
[07:55] <anthony> is there anyway to get my dual monitor setup to not mirror in xubuntu?
[07:55] <Guest92676> to extend rather
[07:55] <Guest92676> than mirror
[07:56] <Sysi> use arandr or grandr or ati or nvidia tool
[08:00] <Guest92676> won't let me open ati catalyst as admin
[08:00] <Guest92676> for some reason
[08:02] <Guest92676> When i click on ATI Catalyst Control it wont let me open as admin
[08:03] <Sysi> it asks for a passwd and then just won't open?
[08:03] <Sysi> or what
[08:03] <Guest92676> doesn't prompt for password
[08:03] <Guest92676> I click and nothing happens
[08:05] <Sysi> try "gksudo $APPNAME" in terminal, you can find out $APPNAME by typing couple of characters and pressing tab (twice)
[08:27] <Guest92676> sysi
[08:28] <Guest92676> I tried to run it it prompts me for password
[08:28] <Guest92676> then nothing comes up
[08:28] <Guest92676> after i enter password
[08:31] <Sysi> any messages in terminal?
[08:43] <Guest92676> i don't think so
[09:31] <anthony_> Can anybody help me get my dual monitor setup to span horizontally as opposed to mirroring each other, for some strange reason i can't open administrative catalyst control center
[09:39] <TheSheep> what is administrative catalyst?
[09:40] <anthony_> ATI Catalyst Control Center (Administrative)
[09:45] <TheSheep> I'm pretty sure that's not a part of xubuntu
[09:46] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the result of 'xrandr'?
[09:48] <anthony_> well i have an ATI video card
[09:49] <anthony_> im gonna crash out, ill mess with it tomorrow
[09:49] <anthony_> thanks though
[09:56] <madnick> anthony_:
[09:56] <madnick> i dont think you can open the GUI one because it wont prompt for password
[09:56] <madnick> so use the terminal and type sudo amdcccle
[09:57] <madnick> it will open the gui one
[09:57] <knome> gksudo ?:P
[09:57] <madnick> yes
[09:57] <madnick> that is a good idea
[09:58] <madnick> But does xubuntu ship with it?
[09:58] <knome> it should be installed
[09:59] <csenger41> hy everyone :)
[09:59] <knome> hello
[10:00] <csenger41> knome: how can give executable bit for an EXE file on an NTFS partition?
[10:00] <knome> !ntfs
[10:00] <knome> first make sure it's in writable state
[10:01] <knome> after that, it should be exactly the same as with every other fs: 'chmod +x filename'
[10:03] <m6locks> might need some precompiled modules installed for kernel
[10:04] <m6locks> whoops, *zzzap*
[10:17] <csenger41> ok, editing done, gonna restart, lets hope it will work XD
[10:27] <Zenger> Hi guys, can you please tell me how to start the "close,minimize,maximize and the title bar" , they dissapeared
[10:27] <Zenger> i've tried xfwm4
[10:27] <Zenger> it gives a bunch of errors and does nothing :(
[10:28] <Zenger> even with --replace
[13:48] <mattt_> My screen is going blank on boot - same thing happened during the install and I had to specify the nomodereset (I think) option.  But now that xUbuntu is installed I'm encountering the same issue, even when booting in recovery mode.
[13:50] <well_laid_lawn> mattt_: you'll need to add the kernel boot option permanantly in grub
[13:50] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[13:50] <mattt_> Which option?  "nomodereset"?
[13:50] <well_laid_lawn> if that's what works yes
[13:51] <well_laid_lawn> you can try it at one boot only by editing the kernel line at the grub prompt
[13:51] <mattt_> yeah that's what I'm doing, just can't remember exactly what the option was
[13:51] <mattt_> ah, nomodeset
[13:51] <well_laid_lawn> there you go :)
[14:09] <ikonia> part
[14:09] <ikonia> damn
[15:01] <Name141> is there a way to get that 'old' xubuntu look in 11.04?
[15:01] <Name141> Where you have places/applications at the top
[15:01] <cYmen> I need something to throttle my cpu when the temperature gets to 95 degrees. Does anybody know any tools?
[15:02] <knome> Name141, yes, change the panel properties
[15:02] <Sysi> cYmen: your bios should do that
[15:03] <cYmen> Sysi: hm...well either my bios finds higher values acceptable than my ubuntu
[15:03] <cYmen> or it just doesn't give a shit :)
[15:03] <cYmen> but the only thing that happens is that the damn machine suddenly shuts down when it reaches 100 degress
[15:04] <cYmen> degrees
[15:04] <Name141> knome: never mind. I see that all that stuff is on the left now with a little icon to click it seems, rather than the whatever it's called that comes up at the bottom that reminds me of 'quick launch' in windows
[15:04] <charlie-tca> !language | cYmen
[15:04] <ElderDryas> cYmen: Please tell me that's 100F not C
[15:05] <cYmen> ElderDryas: that's not what the sensors say...
[15:05] <Sysi> shutting down at 100C sounds normal
[15:05] <cYmen> but maybe that's just a wrong setting
[15:05] <ElderDryas> Sorry all, I just had problems imagining a computer that I could biol my water for tea :)
[15:06] <cYmen> well..if you have suggestions how I can check
[15:06] <Name141> knome: it seems that 11.04 would be ok then.  When is 11.10 schedualed ?
[15:06] <cYmen> I just installed lm-sensors because the damn thing kept shutting down. :)
[15:12] <knome> Name141, 13.10.
[15:12] <knome> Name141, one week
[15:24] <ElderDryas> cYmen: I reallycant help with the lm-sensors or such, but I'd look hard at my hardware, software and environment as to why my computer regularly (?) got to a temp 100C.  Does the fan work? Are the air vents clear? Is the computer placed somewhere that has good airflow?  What am I doing on the computer that makes the cpu(s) work so hard? Things like that
[15:59] <Name141> knome: seems like it'd be a waste of time then to go on and install 11.04 since I'd have to go on and update in a week
[16:00] <knome> Name141, if you can, i think it makes sense to wait.
[16:00] <Sysi> 11.04 will be supported for a year after 11.10 release but if you see it that way, 11.10 should work pretty well already if you grab daily build
[16:01] <ElderDryas> Name141: For what it's worth, the 11.10B2 I installed (and update daily) appears extremely stab;e (fo me).  You might want to look at that if you're anxious to upgrade
[16:01] <Name141> ElderDryas: I'm just looking to get off of XP since I'm not gaming on this machine anymore.  Unity they are pushing on Ubuntu users for some reason is a pile of junk.
[16:02] <ElderDryas> Then the daily build (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/) that Sysi mention might be worth looking at
[16:03] <ElderDryas> And you can do it today :)
[16:03] <Name141> ElderDryas: I'm on limited bandwith. My FAP limit is 425 MBs per rolling 24 hours.
[16:03] <Name141> so.. no I can't do it today lol
[16:04] <Name141> 1-6  AM is "unlimited" though (about 2 GBs is all I can get in)
[16:04] <Name141> so.. I guess I could schedual it for then .. but.. then.. I'd have a whole bunch of updates later?
[16:05] <Sysi> on daily-built image, no
[16:05] <ElderDryas> with the daily build the updates should be minimal
[16:05] <Name141> ahh.. I think I'll just wait.  I mean .. it's only a week.
[16:06] <Name141> That'll give me time to move everything over on the next partition and not forget anything on C: I hope :D
[16:07] <Name141> The next question is, with a E2160 and 2GBs of 667 DDR2 RAM.. I'm assuming I wont notice any difference in 32 and 64 bit ?
[16:08] <ElderDryas> on my dell 1420, on inital boot, with 32 bit I use ~160MB, with 64 bit I use ~225MB (last time T looked)
[16:09] <Name141> This is an Inspiron 530.  And the last mistake I'll make
[16:09] <Name141> (prebuilt machine = mistake)
[16:09] <ElderDryas> It's a bit hard to custom build a laptop, not impossible I guess, but hard :)
[16:10] <Name141> that's a mistake itself :D
[16:12] <ElderDryas> I have built more desktop machine than I can count (back in the day, that was the ONLY way). I don't do anything anymore that requires brute power, and I can't be bothered to expend the time and energy to research, acquire parts  and build a machine anymore
[16:13] <Name141> I was just saying that laptops usually break in the pack at the plugin deal from unplugging re-plugging
[16:15] <Name141> back
[16:15] <ElderDryas> but back to 32 vs 64...unless you do anything that will benifit from 64 bit (video transcription, etc), then with 2 GIG RAM, I see no reason to use 64 bit.  On the other hand my laptop has 2 gig and I don't do anything like video, but I use the 64 bit :)
[16:15] <Name141> I wont be doing that stuff on my E2160.
[16:16] <Name141> I doubt I'll ever bother buying it more RAM either
[16:16] <ElderDryas> But that's because I'm lazy...I keep hoping that my kids will get me 4GIG of RAM for B-Day or X-mas, then all I need to do is plug it in
[16:17] <Name141> RAM is only around $40 now for 2GBs or so ? o.O
[16:17] <Name141> sometimes 4
[16:17] <ElderDryas> I guess, I never look...I just tell the kids "Gimmie" :)
[16:17] <Name141> Maybe I need to get me a few money slaves ...err kids then :D
[16:19] <Name141> Think I can adopt one that's 17.11 ?
[16:19] <Name141> with .1 (one month) left to file the adoption papers..
[16:19] <Name141> then be like "Get to work!"
[16:19] <Name141> er.. anyway
[16:20] <ElderDryas> Money Slaves?  Obviously you've never put 3 daughters thru college?
[16:21] <Name141> ..oh snap
[16:21] <Name141> I didn't even put myself through college... but I keep.. thinking about it.. I mean it's not.. TOO late..
[16:23] <ElderDryas> "back to work" :)  2GIG of RAM is usually plenty, even with 64bit.  The only time I ever got close to SWAP was when a PFD to EPUB translation went into an endless loop.  Other than than that I can't remember the last time I even got close to using 1GIG in normal use.
[16:24] <ElderDryas> So...you pays your money and takes your chances...
[16:29] <ElderDryas> One more thing (then I'll shut up, promise). I'm pretty sure (can someone confirm/deny this?) that Xubuntu 64 bit installs the 32 bit libraries, so if you need a 32 bit app, no problem.
[16:44] <Name141> eh.. I'll just install 32
[16:46] <knome> ElderDryas, 32-bit applications will work on 64-bit too
[19:48] <landley> I used usb-creator-gtk in xubuntu 10.04.02 to make a beta2 install key.
[19:48] <landley> It defaulted to 128 meg home partition.
[19:49] <landley> This filled up downloading updates, causing the install to throw errors while still asking questions.
[19:50] <landley> I rebooted, but the partition was still full and the boot hung in text mode after failing to find/mount network drives.
[19:51] <landley> Making a new usb stick with ramfs /home now.
[19:51] <landley> Not exactly thrilled by the experience so far.
[19:51] <TheSheep> apt-get clean <-- this removes the downloaded packages
[19:52] <landley> It does not reboot.
[19:52] <landley> Tried three times.
[19:52] <landley> Cannot boot from usb key with full /home partition.
[19:53] <TheSheep> um, apt-get doesn't download to /home
[19:53] <TheSheep> it downloads to /usr/lib afair
[19:53] <TheSheep> or /var
[19:53] <landley> when booting install cd from a usb key?
[19:54] <TheSheep> well, I don't know if that's different
[19:54] <TheSheep> might be, because it would be the only writable place if booted from cd
[19:55] <landley> I'm just telling you what it did, I have no idea why it did it.
[19:56] <landley> "Install went down in flames, thought you might want to know."
[19:56] <TheSheep> not really, but you might want to file a bug report so that the actual devs would look at it
[19:56] <TheSheep> this channel is mostly users
[20:07] <Name141> What does encrypt home actually do?