| muntiKubu | what is this 4.6.5 all about when 4.7.2 is out? I know it's your baby but it just puzzles me :( | 00:01 |
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| muntiKubu | natty is not even LTS. I would have understood ( a bit ) if it was. | 00:04 |
| Darkwing | ? | 00:05 |
| Darkwing | I know that for Oneiric that release in about a week is running 4.7.1 | 00:06 |
| muntiKubu | Darkwing: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-465-released-natty-updates | 00:07 |
| Darkwing | I know that more... major updates point forward then backport as needed. | 00:10 |
| muntiKubu | why would you downgrade natty/4.7.1 to 4.6.5? | 00:14 |
| JontheEchidna | you get the bugfixes of the 4.6.5 packages without risking regressions from a new minor version of KDE | 00:15 |
| JontheEchidna | less risky, if you care about stability | 00:15 |
| JontheEchidna | for example, there's a very annoying taskbar bug in 4.7.0 and 4.7.1 that's not present in 4.6.x | 00:16 |
| muntiKubu | probably fixed in 4.7.2? | 00:16 |
| JontheEchidna | hopefully | 00:16 |
| JontheEchidna | putting 4.6.x in to natty officially offers bugfixes for those who are either not technical enough to manually add the PPA, and is quite a bit safer regression-wise | 00:17 |
| JontheEchidna | *who are either not technical enough to manually add the PPA, or are wary of regressions | 00:17 |
| JontheEchidna | to put it this way: you like the bleeding edge and probably won't care if 4.6.5 is in natty :P | 00:17 |
| JontheEchidna | but there are those who don't know that much about computers, and this update will fix bugs with a much lower chance of introducing new ones | 00:18 |
| Darkwing | JontheEchidna: You going to be at UDS? | 00:19 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, school | 00:19 |
| Darkwing | Drat | 00:19 |
| JontheEchidna | speaking of which, I seem to have drifted off of mah homework | 00:19 |
| Darkwing | :) | 00:19 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll procrastinate later... | 00:19 |
| Darkwing | muntiKubu: Does that help answer your question? | 00:19 |
| Darkwing | I've always wanted to be a precrastinator... But I never got around to it. | 00:20 |
| muntiKubu | Darkwing: I guess so for those who still have 4.6.4. those with 4.7.1 will not get it anyway. expecting 4.7.2 instead. The timing is also puzzling since we'll have 11.10 in a few days | 00:24 |
| Darkwing | Speaking as a non programmer with Kubuntu, that might have to do with timing of the release cycle we follow and time for backports within getting ready for the next release. | 00:26 |
| Darkwing | I'm not 100% sure about that but, the timing seems to be about right when it comes to freezes within the release cycle. | 00:27 |
| ScottK | Release was just a little to early this time to get 4.7.2 in. | 00:28 |
| muntiKubu | IIRC Kubuntu would have you rather upgrade to 11.10 instead | 00:28 |
| ScottK | muntiKubu: 4.6.5 is in natty-updates, so you can at least get that. | 00:28 |
| Darkwing | AFAIK you can update KDE within Natty. | 00:28 |
| muntiKubu | ScottK: even with 4.7.1 installed? | 00:29 |
| ScottK | Oh. No. | 00:30 |
| ScottK | Downgrades aren't supported. | 00:30 |
| muntiKubu | Darkwing: I didn't say that you can't update KDE within natty | 00:30 |
| Darkwing | I assumed from your opening statement asking what all the of the 4.6.5 was all about when 4.7.2 was out... My bad. | 00:32 |
| muntiKubu | Darkwing: np :) | 00:32 |
| Darkwing | :) | 00:33 |
| * Darkwing raises an eyebrow | 00:34 | |
| Darkwing | ScottK: Did that feel a bit strange to you? | 00:35 |
| ScottK | munti's showed up here before, so not really. | 00:35 |
| Darkwing | ahhhh, Okay. I've never had the pleasure. | 00:36 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Final Freeze in effect | Archive Frozen | Pre RC ISOs need testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | UDS Ideas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P | 4.7.2 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | ||
| Darkwing | Why is the android server where they keep the SDK updates and APIs so ssllooww? | 01:58 |
| ScottK | Because you should be testing ISOs instead. | 02:01 |
| Darkwing | LOL | 02:02 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, I should. | 02:02 |
| Darkwing | Except, this is part of a test for a actual paying job. | 02:02 |
| ScottK | With free software you help millions of users. | 02:02 |
| Darkwing | It was the one thing I had not setup on my new computer. | 02:02 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, But free software doesn't give my kids food :) | 02:03 |
| ScottK | Meh. Saves on new clothing costs. | 02:04 |
| Darkwing | hehehe | 02:04 |
| Darkwing | Aye, the finle RCs are ready for testing? The daily images? | 02:04 |
| Darkwing | *Final | 02:05 |
| ScottK | This is the first crack at an RC image. | 02:06 |
| ScottK | Odds are we'll have respins, but we want to run them through testing to make sure we're at least in the ballpark. | 02:07 |
| Darkwing | The daily images correct? | 02:10 |
| Darkwing | I've had too much coffee so I'll be up late. | 02:10 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 02:12 |
| Darkwing | Okay, I'll look up how they want this done. I've not done this before :) | 02:13 |
| Darkwing | Each cycle I get deeper and deeper involved. | 02:13 |
| Darkwing | This is what I want to prevent with Kubuntu Documentation. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/860501 | 02:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 860501 in unity (Ubuntu) "User Documentation should be easier to access" [Medium,Incomplete] | 02:52 |
| Darkwing | Is ksnapshot upstream? | 03:07 |
| Darkwing | How d you add a duplicate of KDE upstream? | 03:13 |
| Darkwing | Kubuntu Bug #869652 is the same as KDE Bug #28656 | 03:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 869652 in ksnapshot (Ubuntu) "Ksnapshot: "Include mouse pointer" doesn't." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869652 | 03:14 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 28656 in general "Mouse cursor not always included in snapshot" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28656 | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Darkwing: use also affects project in LP and add the link to the bug. | 03:19 |
| Darkwing | Yup, found it. :) | 03:23 |
| Darkwing | How was the studing JontheEchidna? | 04:02 |
| JontheEchidna | went ok | 04:02 |
| Darkwing | What you taking? | 04:02 |
| Darkwing | ScottK: ISO testing... can it effectivly be done in a VM? | 04:03 |
| maco | i would think so | 04:04 |
| maco | be a pain to do on hardware over and over | 04:04 |
| Darkwing | Aye it would | 04:05 |
| ScottK | Darkwing: yes. | 04:06 |
| ScottK | I abuse my netbook this way, but you aren't required to use real hardware. | 04:06 |
| Darkwing | I have an old netbook that I am going to give to my son... But I think VM would be simplier. | 04:07 |
| Darkwing | iso.qa.ubuntu.com doesn't use OpenID??????? | 04:08 |
| * Darkwing sighs | 04:08 | |
| skreech_ | does anyone know if brainstorm is open source? | 04:09 |
| Darkwing | skreech_: It's powered by IdeaTorrent (http://www.ideatorrent.org/) and that is open source. | 04:10 |
| skreech_ | Ah wondrous :) | 04:10 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| * Daskreech sadly contemplates if it has Facebook connect | 04:21 | |
| === Guest79607 is now known as jussi01 | ||
| === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu | ||
| * Quintasan_ got visa | 09:15 | |
| Quintasan_ | passport will arrive in like 5 days | 09:15 |
| nigelb | Quintasan_: Congrats! | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | whom do I complain to about election spam? | 10:31 |
| nigelb | apachelogger: Noone :) | 10:37 |
| nigelb | YOu're a community member, you haz voting rights | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | yeah, that does not mean we need to have all elections within one month of one year :P | 10:39 |
| debfx | voting is kind of pointless if you don't know 3/4 of the candidates and they don't even tell you why you should vote for them ... | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | that too | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | 7 seats | 10:43 |
| apachelogger | awoga | 10:43 |
| apachelogger | debfx: actually you should totally write a mail about that, so that I can then start a flamewar with my reply to your mail | 10:45 |
| jussi | debfx: like the guy that has his wiki page point to LP and LP says something about his wiki page having more info that he tries to keep updated? | 10:47 |
| debfx | apachelogger: lol | 10:53 |
| debfx | jussi: I would want the candidates to write a wiki page about who they are, why they are applying and what they want to do on the council | 10:54 |
| jussi | debfx: ++ | 10:55 |
| jussi | debfx: so not like this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinAlbisetti | 10:55 |
| debfx | yeah that one is great | 10:56 |
| jussi | its a circle!! | 10:58 |
| jussi | :P | 10:58 |
| debfx | of course sabdfl pre-selecting candidates without any kind of transparency doesn't help the election either | 10:58 |
| nigelb | jussi: lol, that guy made me laugh | 11:16 |
| jussi | nigelb: yeah, was a bit strange | 11:17 |
| nigelb | jussi: I just poked some people I know to perhaps update their wiki. | 11:18 |
| nigelb | But meh, those people are awesome enough to be voted anyway :D | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: do sd cards appear for you in partitionmanager? | 12:42 |
| shadeslayer | \o | 12:43 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, yup | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: on natty? | 12:58 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, last time i tested yes | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | I think something is broken in oneiric then :( | 13:00 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, i did not tested oneiric | 13:03 |
| rbelem | :-( | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | !find qemu-arm-static oneiric | 14:58 |
| ubottu | File qemu-arm-static found in qemu-user-static | 14:58 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| yofel | apachelogger: depends for me, I know it didn't like the SD card on one of my systems and did like it on another one. I think it was my thinkpad's /dev/mmcblk0 that it didn't like | 17:42 |
| yofel | haven't used partitionmanager in ages though | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | maybe it does not like my mmcblk0 either | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | someone talk to upstream plz | 17:54 |
| jussi | Im hanging ut on g+, if anyone wants to join me | 17:55 |
| shadeslayer | No point, i'm in a completely dark room ... no lights no nothing | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer | you won't even be able to see me | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i think i'm never going to learn about MVC | 17:57 |
| shadeslayer | the concept eludes me | 17:57 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: turn the lights on? :P | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | you haz no light on laptop? | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | haha | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | crapy hardware you have | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | winwinwin | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: can't , sister is sleeping and then my parents are going to shout :P | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: about MVC... get drunk | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | ofcourse i can move to another room, but thats too much work | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | it makes total sense when you are drunk | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | unfotunately it does not when you get sober again | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | hmm ... no alcohol in the house right now :P | 17:58 |
| jussi | Harald, which one are you right now? drunk or sober? | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | solution that works well: be drunk all the time | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: fail | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | jussi: working on drunken | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 17:59 |
| * apachelogger has to go see flats tomorrow | 17:59 | |
| shadeslayer | need to get my own flat/pad | 17:59 |
| * apachelogger has his own bridge | 17:59 | |
| jussi | pad is such a bachelor word | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | then again it is like 8 degrees or so | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: something that you can't use no more :P | 18:00 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: yup | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | JabberwockyA19 << Someone saw "Alice in Wonderland" one too many times | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | I point out | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | no one should use that word | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | it is a silly word | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | what if | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | i wrap it in a nice Qt API | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | QPad | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | still a silly word | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | may I mention gstreamer has pads | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | supporting the sillyness | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | there's a patch on kde-packagers btw | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer | patch KDE 4.7.2 or the archive? | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | archive!!!!!! | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | I'd vote for the archive since the SRU is going to take some time | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | alright | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | no good if stuff goes to shit and then we patch the bug that made it go to shit | 18:03 |
| CIA-130 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 86 * debian/ (patches/fix_duplicate_folders.diff changelog patches/series) Add fix_duplicate_folders.diff as advised by upstream | 18:28 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^ | 18:28 |
| shadeslayer | needs uploading | 18:29 |
| === BarkingFish is now known as EatingFish | ||
| CIA-130 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 127 * (docbook/kgetsource.1.docbook TODO) Added a manpage for kgetsource and updated the TODO | 18:32 |
| === EatingFish is now known as BarkingFish | ||
| bulldog98_ | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/131215 what is going on there? | 18:42 |
| === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 | ||
| apachelogger | someone broke the build? | 18:47 |
| Darkwing | Is there an extra step for @kubuntu.org emails that doesn't happen with @ubuntu ones? | 18:48 |
| yofel | Darkwing: should be automatically added when you're a kubuntu-member | 18:48 |
| yofel | *ubuntu* membership will only grant @ubuntu.com | 18:49 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: hm I added a new docbook maybe that caused it | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu membership gives ubuntu membership | 18:49 |
| yofel | bulldog98: I'm not quite show why it looks for that file, the file it looks for doesn't exist | 18:50 |
| Darkwing | ahhhh, nevermind... I changed my primary email in launchpad and it finally stopped sending to old email this morning but, has failed to start sending to new email address. | 18:50 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: I’m not sure either | 18:50 |
| * yofel never wrote a single manpage in his life | 18:51 | |
| bulldog98 | yofel: it’s a docbook | 18:51 |
| yofel | that neither | 18:51 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: build still works only man pages are not included | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | do you dep on kdelibs-data or whatever contains the xslt stuff? | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | why write docbook anywy | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | write the man page directly | 18:53 |
| Darkwing | DocBook? Someone say DocBook? | 18:54 |
| * Darkwing hides in the corner | 18:54 | |
| * bulldog98 found the error | 18:57 | |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: the problem is the file got renamed and moved. I’m fixing it in your pre-install.rb | 18:57 |
| CIA-130 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 128 * (TODO pre-install.rb) Update for TODO, fixed pre-install.rb (file was moved) | 19:02 |
| bambee | evening | 19:30 |
| ScottK | Still need ISO testing done ... | 19:31 |
| * bambee is drunk (as every friday) | 19:32 | |
| bambee | ScottK: I will do some testing right now | 19:32 |
| ScottK | Great. | 19:32 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| CIA-130 | [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 129 * (5 files in 2 dirs) Updated changelog, standard-version and added a few manpages | 20:06 |
| yofel | bulldog98: btw. what's the state for kturtle and parley? | 20:29 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: thought ScottK had asked upstream. I hadn’t time, since it was my first week in university | 20:34 |
| * ScottK didn't. | 20:38 | |
| * ScottK thought someone else was going to. | 20:38 | |
| yofel | bulldog98: can you push something to the PPA then at least so we can release something? (in the PPA's) | 20:39 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: ok | 20:39 |
| * ScottK is currently trying to slam together one last set of updates for the pim packages. | 20:39 | |
| yofel | It was my first week at school too, + I have a cold so I haven't done anything either | 20:39 |
| * bulldog98 came home at ~7pm and gone out of house ~6am | 20:40 | |
| yofel | ScottK: how soon are we going to have 4.7.2 in some official repository? I don't really want to do natty backports if they'll mess up upgrades again | 20:40 |
| bulldog98 | all week (exept mo) | 20:40 |
| yofel | heh, I know that feeling | 20:40 |
| yofel | and that's not that bad, I had mondays where I got out at 6, and got home at 11 | 20:40 |
| ScottK | yofel: We should push 4.7.2 to oneiric-proposed mid next week so it can be a zero day SRU. | 20:41 |
| yofel | ScottK: ok, then I'll do the backports over the weekend | 20:41 |
| yofel | bah, got a system lockup while installing updates and now /usr/lib/libsolidcontrolnm09.so.4 crashes both kded4 and plasma | 20:52 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: should I commit the packaging? | 20:52 |
| yofel | sure, just keep the note on the wiki that it still needs fixing | 20:53 |
| * yofel tries to figure out how to fix this mess... | 20:55 | |
| CIA-130 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kturtle] Jonathan Kolberg * 14 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release | 21:00 |
| CIA-130 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/parley] Jonathan Kolberg * 20 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release | 21:05 |
| yofel | k, system recovered, but the NM plasma applet doesn't work | 21:19 |
| * bulldog98 had problems with nm connecting to an password protected wifi (WAP/WAP2 Enterprice TTLS PAP) | 21:21 | |
| yofel | well, here it simply crashes | 21:22 |
| yofel | http://paste.kde.org/131251 | 21:23 |
| yofel | and I'm not really sure where the issue is, as I might as well blame the system freeze I had just now | 21:24 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| ScottK | pim packages updated. | 23:21 |
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