[00:01] <muntiKubu> what is this 4.6.5 all about when 4.7.2  is out?  I know it's your baby but it just puzzles me :(
[00:04] <muntiKubu> natty is not even LTS.  I would have understood  ( a bit ) if it was.
[00:05] <Darkwing> ?
[00:06] <Darkwing> I know that for Oneiric that release in about a week is running 4.7.1
[00:07] <muntiKubu> Darkwing: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-465-released-natty-updates
[00:10] <Darkwing> I know that more... major updates point forward then backport as needed.
[00:14] <muntiKubu> why would you downgrade natty/4.7.1 to 4.6.5?
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> you get the bugfixes of the 4.6.5 packages without risking regressions from a new minor version of KDE
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> less risky, if you care about stability
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> for example, there's a very annoying taskbar bug in 4.7.0 and 4.7.1 that's not present in 4.6.x
[00:16] <muntiKubu> probably fixed in 4.7.2?
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> hopefully
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> putting 4.6.x in to natty officially offers bugfixes for those who are either not technical enough to manually add the PPA, and is quite a bit safer regression-wise
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> *who are either not technical enough to manually add the PPA, or are wary of regressions
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> to put it this way: you like the bleeding edge and probably won't care if 4.6.5 is in natty :P
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> but there are those who don't know that much about computers, and this update will fix bugs with a much lower chance of introducing new ones
[00:19] <Darkwing> JontheEchidna: You going to be at UDS?
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> nope, school
[00:19] <Darkwing> Drat
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> speaking of which, I seem to have drifted off of mah homework
[00:19] <Darkwing> :)
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> I'll procrastinate later...
[00:19] <Darkwing> muntiKubu: Does that help answer your question?
[00:20] <Darkwing> I've always wanted to be a precrastinator... But I never got around to it.
[00:24] <muntiKubu> Darkwing: I guess so for those who still have 4.6.4.  those with 4.7.1 will not get it anyway. expecting 4.7.2 instead.  The timing is also puzzling since we'll have 11.10 in a few days
[00:26] <Darkwing> Speaking as a non programmer with Kubuntu, that might have to do with timing of the release cycle we follow and time for backports within getting ready for the next release.
[00:27] <Darkwing> I'm not 100% sure about that but, the timing seems to be about right when it comes to freezes within the release cycle.
[00:28] <ScottK> Release was just a little to early this time to get 4.7.2 in.
[00:28] <muntiKubu> IIRC Kubuntu would have you rather upgrade to 11.10 instead
[00:28] <ScottK> muntiKubu: 4.6.5 is in natty-updates, so you can at least get that.
[00:28] <Darkwing> AFAIK you can update KDE within Natty.
[00:29] <muntiKubu> ScottK: even with 4.7.1 installed?
[00:30] <ScottK> Oh. No.
[00:30] <ScottK> Downgrades aren't supported.
[00:30] <muntiKubu> Darkwing: I didn't say that you can't update KDE within natty
[00:32] <Darkwing> I assumed from your opening statement asking what all the of the 4.6.5 was all about when 4.7.2 was out... My bad.
[00:32] <muntiKubu> Darkwing: np :)
[00:33] <Darkwing> :)
[00:34]  * Darkwing raises an eyebrow
[00:35] <Darkwing> ScottK: Did that feel a bit strange to you?
[00:35] <ScottK> munti's showed up here before, so not really.
[00:36] <Darkwing> ahhhh, Okay. I've never had the pleasure.
[01:58] <Darkwing> Why is the android server where they keep the SDK updates and APIs so ssllooww?
[02:01] <ScottK> Because you should be testing ISOs instead.
[02:02] <Darkwing> LOL
[02:02] <Darkwing> Yeah, I should.
[02:02] <Darkwing> Except, this is part of a test for a actual paying job.
[02:02] <ScottK> With free software you help millions of users.
[02:02] <Darkwing> It was the one thing I had not setup on my new computer.
[02:03] <Darkwing> Yeah, But free software doesn't give my kids food :)
[02:04] <ScottK> Meh.  Saves on new clothing costs.
[02:04] <Darkwing> hehehe
[02:04] <Darkwing> Aye, the finle RCs are ready for testing? The daily images?
[02:05] <Darkwing> *Final
[02:06] <ScottK> This is the first crack at an RC image.
[02:07] <ScottK> Odds are we'll have respins, but we want to run them through testing to make sure we're at least in the ballpark.
[02:10] <Darkwing> The daily images correct?
[02:10] <Darkwing> I've had too much coffee so I'll be up late.
[02:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:13] <Darkwing> Okay, I'll look up how they want this done. I've not done this before :)
[02:13] <Darkwing> Each cycle I get deeper and deeper involved.
[02:52] <Darkwing> This is what I want to prevent with Kubuntu Documentation. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/860501
[03:07] <Darkwing> Is ksnapshot upstream?
[03:13] <Darkwing> How d you add a duplicate of KDE upstream?
[03:14] <Darkwing> Kubuntu Bug #869652 is the same as KDE Bug #28656
[03:19] <ScottK> Darkwing: use also affects project in LP and add the link to the bug.
[03:23] <Darkwing> Yup, found it. :)
[04:02] <Darkwing> How was the studing JontheEchidna?
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> went ok
[04:02] <Darkwing> What you taking?
[04:03] <Darkwing> ScottK: ISO testing... can it effectivly be done in a VM?
[04:04] <maco> i would think so
[04:04] <maco> be a pain to do on hardware over and over
[04:05] <Darkwing> Aye it would
[04:06] <ScottK> Darkwing: yes.
[04:06] <ScottK> I abuse my netbook this way, but you aren't required to use real hardware.
[04:07] <Darkwing> I have an old netbook that I am going to give to my son... But I think VM would be simplier.
[04:08] <Darkwing> iso.qa.ubuntu.com doesn't use OpenID???????
[04:08]  * Darkwing sighs
[04:09] <skreech_> does anyone know if brainstorm is open source?
[04:10] <Darkwing> skreech_: It's powered by IdeaTorrent (http://www.ideatorrent.org/) and that is open source.
[04:10] <skreech_> Ah wondrous :)
[04:21]  * Daskreech sadly contemplates if it has Facebook connect
[09:15]  * Quintasan_ got visa
[09:15] <Quintasan_> passport will arrive in like 5 days
[09:15] <nigelb> Quintasan_: Congrats!
[10:31] <apachelogger> whom do I complain to about election spam?
[10:37] <nigelb> apachelogger: Noone :)
[10:37] <nigelb> YOu're a community member, you haz voting rights
[10:39] <apachelogger> yeah, that does not mean we need to have all elections within one month of one year :P
[10:41] <debfx> voting is kind of pointless if you don't know 3/4 of the candidates and they don't even tell you why you should vote for them ...
[10:42] <apachelogger> that too
[10:43] <apachelogger> 7 seats
[10:43] <apachelogger> awoga
[10:45] <apachelogger> debfx: actually you should totally write a mail about that, so that I can then start a flamewar with my reply to your mail
[10:47] <jussi> debfx: like the guy that has his wiki page point to LP and LP says something about his wiki page having more info that he tries to keep updated? 
[10:53] <debfx> apachelogger: lol
[10:54] <debfx> jussi: I would want the candidates to write a wiki page about who they are, why they are applying and what they want to do on the council
[10:55] <jussi> debfx: ++
[10:55] <jussi> debfx: so not like this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinAlbisetti
[10:56] <debfx> yeah that one is great
[10:58] <jussi> its a circle!!
[10:58] <jussi> :P
[10:58] <debfx> of course sabdfl pre-selecting candidates without any kind of transparency doesn't help the election either
[11:16] <nigelb> jussi: lol, that guy made me laugh
[11:17] <jussi> nigelb: yeah, was a bit strange
[11:18] <nigelb> jussi: I just poked some people I know to perhaps update their wiki.
[11:18] <nigelb> But meh, those people are awesome enough to be voted anyway :D
[12:42] <apachelogger> rbelem: do sd cards appear for you in partitionmanager?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> \o
[12:57] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[12:58] <apachelogger> rbelem: on natty?
[12:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, last time i tested yes
[13:00] <apachelogger> I think something is broken in oneiric then :(
[13:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, i did not tested oneiric
[13:03] <rbelem> :-(
[14:58] <apachelogger> !find qemu-arm-static oneiric
[17:42] <yofel> apachelogger: depends for me, I know it didn't like the SD card on one of my systems and did like it on another one. I think it was my thinkpad's /dev/mmcblk0 that it didn't like
[17:42] <yofel> haven't used partitionmanager in ages though
[17:54] <apachelogger> maybe it does not like my mmcblk0 either
[17:54] <apachelogger> someone talk to upstream plz
[17:55] <jussi> Im hanging ut on g+, if anyone wants to join me
[17:56] <shadeslayer> No point, i'm in a completely dark room ... no lights no nothing
[17:56] <shadeslayer> you won't even be able to see me
[17:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think i'm never going to learn about MVC
[17:57] <shadeslayer> the concept eludes me
[17:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: turn the lights on? :P
[17:57] <apachelogger> you haz no light on laptop?
[17:57] <apachelogger> haha
[17:57] <apachelogger> crapy hardware you have
[17:58] <apachelogger> winwinwin
[17:58] <shadeslayer> jussi: can't , sister is sleeping and then my parents are going to shout :P
[17:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about MVC... get drunk
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ofcourse i can move to another room, but thats too much work
[17:58] <apachelogger> it makes total sense when you are drunk
[17:58] <apachelogger> unfotunately it does not when you get sober again
[17:58] <shadeslayer> hmm ... no alcohol in the house right now :P
[17:58] <jussi> Harald, which one are you right now? drunk or sober? 
[17:59] <apachelogger> solution that works well: be drunk all the time
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fail
[17:59] <apachelogger> jussi: working on drunken
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:59]  * apachelogger has to go see flats tomorrow
[17:59] <shadeslayer> need to get my own flat/pad
[17:59]  * apachelogger has his own bridge
[17:59] <jussi> pad is such a bachelor word
[17:59] <apachelogger> then again it is like 8 degrees or so
[18:00] <shadeslayer> jussi: something that you can't use no more :P
[18:00] <jussi> shadeslayer: yup
[18:00] <shadeslayer> JabberwockyA19  << Someone saw "Alice in Wonderland" one too many times
[18:01] <apachelogger> I point out
[18:01] <apachelogger> no one should use that word
[18:01] <apachelogger> it is a silly word
[18:01] <shadeslayer> what if
[18:01] <shadeslayer> i wrap it in a nice Qt API
[18:01] <shadeslayer> QPad
[18:01] <apachelogger> still a silly word
[18:01] <apachelogger> may I mention gstreamer has pads
[18:01] <apachelogger> supporting the sillyness
[18:02] <shadeslayer> there's a patch on kde-packagers btw
[18:02] <shadeslayer> patch KDE 4.7.2 or the archive?
[18:03] <apachelogger> archive!!!!!!
[18:03] <shadeslayer> I'd vote for the archive since the SRU is going to take some time
[18:03] <shadeslayer> alright
[18:03] <apachelogger> no good if stuff goes to shit and then we patch the bug that made it go to shit
[18:28] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 86 * debian/ (patches/fix_duplicate_folders.diff changelog patches/series) Add fix_duplicate_folders.diff as advised by upstream
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^
[18:29] <shadeslayer> needs uploading
[18:32] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 127 * (docbook/kgetsource.1.docbook TODO) Added a manpage for kgetsource and updated the TODO
[18:42] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/131215 what is going on there?
[18:47] <apachelogger> someone broke the build?
[18:48] <Darkwing> Is there an extra step for @kubuntu.org emails that doesn't happen with @ubuntu ones?
[18:48] <yofel> Darkwing: should be automatically added when you're a kubuntu-member
[18:49] <yofel> *ubuntu* membership will only grant @ubuntu.com
[18:49] <bulldog98> apachelogger: hm I added a new docbook maybe that caused it
[18:49] <apachelogger> kubuntu membership gives ubuntu membership
[18:50] <yofel> bulldog98: I'm not quite show why it looks for that file, the file it looks for doesn't exist
[18:50] <Darkwing> ahhhh, nevermind... I changed my primary email in launchpad and it finally stopped sending to old email this morning but, has failed to start sending to new email address.
[18:50] <bulldog98> yofel: I’m not sure either
[18:51]  * yofel never wrote a single manpage in his life
[18:51] <bulldog98> yofel: it’s a docbook
[18:51] <yofel> that neither
[18:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: build still works only man pages are not included
[18:53] <apachelogger> do you dep on kdelibs-data or whatever contains the xslt stuff?
[18:53] <apachelogger> why write docbook anywy
[18:53] <apachelogger> write the man page directly
[18:54] <Darkwing> DocBook? Someone say DocBook?
[18:54]  * Darkwing hides in the corner
[18:57]  * bulldog98 found the error
[18:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the problem is the file got renamed and moved. I’m fixing it in your pre-install.rb
[19:02] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 128 * (TODO pre-install.rb) Update for TODO, fixed pre-install.rb (file was moved)
[19:30] <bambee> evening
[19:31] <ScottK> Still need ISO testing done ...
[19:32]  * bambee is drunk (as every friday)
[19:32] <bambee> ScottK: I will do some testing right now
[19:32] <ScottK> Great.
[20:06] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 129 * (5 files in 2 dirs) Updated changelog, standard-version and added a few manpages
[20:29] <yofel> bulldog98: btw. what's the state for kturtle and parley?
[20:34] <bulldog98> yofel: thought ScottK had asked upstream. I hadn’t time, since it was my first week in university
[20:38]  * ScottK didn't.
[20:38]  * ScottK thought someone else was going to.
[20:39] <yofel> bulldog98: can you push something to the PPA then at least so we can release something? (in the PPA's)
[20:39] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[20:39]  * ScottK is currently trying to slam together one last set of updates for the pim packages.
[20:39] <yofel> It was my first week at school too, + I have a cold so I haven't done anything either
[20:40]  * bulldog98 came home at ~7pm and gone out of house ~6am
[20:40] <yofel> ScottK: how soon are we going to have 4.7.2 in some official repository? I don't really want to do natty backports if they'll mess up upgrades again
[20:40] <bulldog98> all week (exept mo)
[20:40] <yofel> heh, I know that feeling
[20:40] <yofel> and that's not that bad, I had mondays where I got out at 6, and got home at 11
[20:41] <ScottK> yofel: We should push 4.7.2 to oneiric-proposed mid next week so it can be a zero day SRU.
[20:41] <yofel> ScottK: ok, then I'll do the backports over the weekend
[20:52] <yofel> bah, got a system lockup while installing updates and now /usr/lib/libsolidcontrolnm09.so.4 crashes both kded4 and plasma
[20:52] <bulldog98> yofel: should I commit the packaging?
[20:53] <yofel> sure, just keep the note on the wiki that it still needs fixing
[20:55]  * yofel tries to figure out how to fix this mess...
[21:00] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kturtle] Jonathan Kolberg * 14 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:05] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/parley] Jonathan Kolberg * 20 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:19] <yofel> k, system recovered, but the NM plasma applet doesn't work
[21:21]  * bulldog98 had problems with nm connecting to an password protected wifi (WAP/WAP2 Enterprice TTLS PAP)
[21:22] <yofel> well, here it simply crashes
[21:23] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/131251
[21:24] <yofel> and I'm not really sure where the issue is, as I might as well blame the system freeze I had just now
[23:21] <ScottK> pim packages updated.