[00:01] what is this 4.6.5 all about when 4.7.2 is out? I know it's your baby but it just puzzles me :( [00:04] natty is not even LTS. I would have understood ( a bit ) if it was. [00:05] ? [00:06] I know that for Oneiric that release in about a week is running 4.7.1 [00:07] Darkwing: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-465-released-natty-updates [00:10] I know that more... major updates point forward then backport as needed. [00:14] why would you downgrade natty/4.7.1 to 4.6.5? [00:15] you get the bugfixes of the 4.6.5 packages without risking regressions from a new minor version of KDE [00:15] less risky, if you care about stability [00:16] for example, there's a very annoying taskbar bug in 4.7.0 and 4.7.1 that's not present in 4.6.x [00:16] probably fixed in 4.7.2? [00:16] hopefully [00:17] putting 4.6.x in to natty officially offers bugfixes for those who are either not technical enough to manually add the PPA, and is quite a bit safer regression-wise [00:17] *who are either not technical enough to manually add the PPA, or are wary of regressions [00:17] to put it this way: you like the bleeding edge and probably won't care if 4.6.5 is in natty :P [00:18] but there are those who don't know that much about computers, and this update will fix bugs with a much lower chance of introducing new ones [00:19] JontheEchidna: You going to be at UDS? [00:19] nope, school [00:19] Drat [00:19] speaking of which, I seem to have drifted off of mah homework [00:19] :) [00:19] I'll procrastinate later... [00:19] muntiKubu: Does that help answer your question? [00:20] I've always wanted to be a precrastinator... But I never got around to it. [00:24] Darkwing: I guess so for those who still have 4.6.4. those with 4.7.1 will not get it anyway. expecting 4.7.2 instead. The timing is also puzzling since we'll have 11.10 in a few days [00:26] Speaking as a non programmer with Kubuntu, that might have to do with timing of the release cycle we follow and time for backports within getting ready for the next release. [00:27] I'm not 100% sure about that but, the timing seems to be about right when it comes to freezes within the release cycle. [00:28] Release was just a little to early this time to get 4.7.2 in. [00:28] IIRC Kubuntu would have you rather upgrade to 11.10 instead [00:28] muntiKubu: 4.6.5 is in natty-updates, so you can at least get that. [00:28] AFAIK you can update KDE within Natty. [00:29] ScottK: even with 4.7.1 installed? [00:30] Oh. No. [00:30] Downgrades aren't supported. [00:30] Darkwing: I didn't say that you can't update KDE within natty [00:32] I assumed from your opening statement asking what all the of the 4.6.5 was all about when 4.7.2 was out... My bad. [00:32] Darkwing: np :) [00:33] :) [00:34] * Darkwing raises an eyebrow [00:35] ScottK: Did that feel a bit strange to you? [00:35] munti's showed up here before, so not really. [00:36] ahhhh, Okay. I've never had the pleasure. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Final Freeze in effect | Archive Frozen | Pre RC ISOs need testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | UDS Ideas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P | 4.7.2 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [01:58] Why is the android server where they keep the SDK updates and APIs so ssllooww? [02:01] Because you should be testing ISOs instead. [02:02] LOL [02:02] Yeah, I should. [02:02] Except, this is part of a test for a actual paying job. [02:02] With free software you help millions of users. [02:02] It was the one thing I had not setup on my new computer. [02:03] Yeah, But free software doesn't give my kids food :) [02:04] Meh. Saves on new clothing costs. [02:04] hehehe [02:04] Aye, the finle RCs are ready for testing? The daily images? [02:05] *Final [02:06] This is the first crack at an RC image. [02:07] Odds are we'll have respins, but we want to run them through testing to make sure we're at least in the ballpark. [02:10] The daily images correct? [02:10] I've had too much coffee so I'll be up late. [02:12] Yes. [02:13] Okay, I'll look up how they want this done. I've not done this before :) [02:13] Each cycle I get deeper and deeper involved. [02:52] This is what I want to prevent with Kubuntu Documentation. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/860501 [02:52] Ubuntu bug 860501 in unity (Ubuntu) "User Documentation should be easier to access" [Medium,Incomplete] [03:07] Is ksnapshot upstream? [03:13] How d you add a duplicate of KDE upstream? [03:14] Kubuntu Bug #869652 is the same as KDE Bug #28656 [03:14] Launchpad bug 869652 in ksnapshot (Ubuntu) "Ksnapshot: "Include mouse pointer" doesn't." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869652 [03:14] KDE bug 28656 in general "Mouse cursor not always included in snapshot" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28656 [03:19] Darkwing: use also affects project in LP and add the link to the bug. [03:23] Yup, found it. :) [04:02] How was the studing JontheEchidna? [04:02] went ok [04:02] What you taking? [04:03] ScottK: ISO testing... can it effectivly be done in a VM? [04:04] i would think so [04:04] be a pain to do on hardware over and over [04:05] Aye it would [04:06] Darkwing: yes. [04:06] I abuse my netbook this way, but you aren't required to use real hardware. [04:07] I have an old netbook that I am going to give to my son... But I think VM would be simplier. [04:08] iso.qa.ubuntu.com doesn't use OpenID??????? [04:08] * Darkwing sighs [04:09] does anyone know if brainstorm is open source? [04:10] skreech_: It's powered by IdeaTorrent (http://www.ideatorrent.org/) and that is open source. [04:10] Ah wondrous :) === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [04:21] * Daskreech sadly contemplates if it has Facebook connect === Guest79607 is now known as jussi01 === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [09:15] * Quintasan_ got visa [09:15] passport will arrive in like 5 days [09:15] Quintasan_: Congrats! [10:31] whom do I complain to about election spam? [10:37] apachelogger: Noone :) [10:37] YOu're a community member, you haz voting rights [10:39] yeah, that does not mean we need to have all elections within one month of one year :P [10:41] voting is kind of pointless if you don't know 3/4 of the candidates and they don't even tell you why you should vote for them ... [10:42] that too [10:43] 7 seats [10:43] awoga [10:45] debfx: actually you should totally write a mail about that, so that I can then start a flamewar with my reply to your mail [10:47] debfx: like the guy that has his wiki page point to LP and LP says something about his wiki page having more info that he tries to keep updated? [10:53] apachelogger: lol [10:54] jussi: I would want the candidates to write a wiki page about who they are, why they are applying and what they want to do on the council [10:55] debfx: ++ [10:55] debfx: so not like this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinAlbisetti [10:56] yeah that one is great [10:58] its a circle!! [10:58] :P [10:58] of course sabdfl pre-selecting candidates without any kind of transparency doesn't help the election either [11:16] jussi: lol, that guy made me laugh [11:17] nigelb: yeah, was a bit strange [11:18] jussi: I just poked some people I know to perhaps update their wiki. [11:18] But meh, those people are awesome enough to be voted anyway :D [12:42] rbelem: do sd cards appear for you in partitionmanager? [12:43] \o [12:57] apachelogger, yup [12:58] rbelem: on natty? [12:58] apachelogger, last time i tested yes [13:00] I think something is broken in oneiric then :( [13:03] apachelogger, i did not tested oneiric [13:03] :-( [14:58] !find qemu-arm-static oneiric [14:58] File qemu-arm-static found in qemu-user-static === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:42] apachelogger: depends for me, I know it didn't like the SD card on one of my systems and did like it on another one. I think it was my thinkpad's /dev/mmcblk0 that it didn't like [17:42] haven't used partitionmanager in ages though [17:54] maybe it does not like my mmcblk0 either [17:54] someone talk to upstream plz [17:55] Im hanging ut on g+, if anyone wants to join me [17:56] No point, i'm in a completely dark room ... no lights no nothing [17:56] you won't even be able to see me [17:57] apachelogger: i think i'm never going to learn about MVC [17:57] the concept eludes me [17:57] shadeslayer: turn the lights on? :P [17:57] you haz no light on laptop? [17:57] haha [17:57] crapy hardware you have [17:58] winwinwin [17:58] jussi: can't , sister is sleeping and then my parents are going to shout :P [17:58] shadeslayer: about MVC... get drunk [17:58] ofcourse i can move to another room, but thats too much work [17:58] it makes total sense when you are drunk [17:58] unfotunately it does not when you get sober again [17:58] hmm ... no alcohol in the house right now :P [17:58] Harald, which one are you right now? drunk or sober? [17:59] solution that works well: be drunk all the time [17:59] shadeslayer: fail [17:59] jussi: working on drunken [17:59] ^^ [17:59] * apachelogger has to go see flats tomorrow [17:59] need to get my own flat/pad [17:59] * apachelogger has his own bridge [17:59] pad is such a bachelor word [17:59] then again it is like 8 degrees or so [18:00] jussi: something that you can't use no more :P [18:00] shadeslayer: yup [18:00] JabberwockyA19 << Someone saw "Alice in Wonderland" one too many times [18:01] I point out [18:01] no one should use that word [18:01] it is a silly word [18:01] what if [18:01] i wrap it in a nice Qt API [18:01] QPad [18:01] still a silly word [18:01] may I mention gstreamer has pads [18:01] supporting the sillyness [18:02] there's a patch on kde-packagers btw [18:02] patch KDE 4.7.2 or the archive? [18:03] archive!!!!!! [18:03] I'd vote for the archive since the SRU is going to take some time [18:03] alright [18:03] no good if stuff goes to shit and then we patch the bug that made it go to shit [18:28] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Rohan Garg * 86 * debian/ (patches/fix_duplicate_folders.diff changelog patches/series) Add fix_duplicate_folders.diff as advised by upstream [18:28] apachelogger: ^ [18:29] needs uploading === BarkingFish is now known as EatingFish [18:32] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 127 * (docbook/kgetsource.1.docbook TODO) Added a manpage for kgetsource and updated the TODO === EatingFish is now known as BarkingFish [18:42] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/131215 what is going on there? === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [18:47] someone broke the build? [18:48] Is there an extra step for @kubuntu.org emails that doesn't happen with @ubuntu ones? [18:48] Darkwing: should be automatically added when you're a kubuntu-member [18:49] *ubuntu* membership will only grant @ubuntu.com [18:49] apachelogger: hm I added a new docbook maybe that caused it [18:49] kubuntu membership gives ubuntu membership [18:50] bulldog98: I'm not quite show why it looks for that file, the file it looks for doesn't exist [18:50] ahhhh, nevermind... I changed my primary email in launchpad and it finally stopped sending to old email this morning but, has failed to start sending to new email address. [18:50] yofel: I’m not sure either [18:51] * yofel never wrote a single manpage in his life [18:51] yofel: it’s a docbook [18:51] that neither [18:51] apachelogger: build still works only man pages are not included [18:53] do you dep on kdelibs-data or whatever contains the xslt stuff? [18:53] why write docbook anywy [18:53] write the man page directly [18:54] DocBook? Someone say DocBook? [18:54] * Darkwing hides in the corner [18:57] * bulldog98 found the error [18:57] apachelogger: the problem is the file got renamed and moved. I’m fixing it in your pre-install.rb [19:02] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 128 * (TODO pre-install.rb) Update for TODO, fixed pre-install.rb (file was moved) [19:30] evening [19:31] Still need ISO testing done ... [19:32] * bambee is drunk (as every friday) [19:32] ScottK: I will do some testing right now [19:32] Great. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [20:06] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 129 * (5 files in 2 dirs) Updated changelog, standard-version and added a few manpages [20:29] bulldog98: btw. what's the state for kturtle and parley? [20:34] yofel: thought ScottK had asked upstream. I hadn’t time, since it was my first week in university [20:38] * ScottK didn't. [20:38] * ScottK thought someone else was going to. [20:39] bulldog98: can you push something to the PPA then at least so we can release something? (in the PPA's) [20:39] yofel: ok [20:39] * ScottK is currently trying to slam together one last set of updates for the pim packages. [20:39] It was my first week at school too, + I have a cold so I haven't done anything either [20:40] * bulldog98 came home at ~7pm and gone out of house ~6am [20:40] ScottK: how soon are we going to have 4.7.2 in some official repository? I don't really want to do natty backports if they'll mess up upgrades again [20:40] all week (exept mo) [20:40] heh, I know that feeling [20:40] and that's not that bad, I had mondays where I got out at 6, and got home at 11 [20:41] yofel: We should push 4.7.2 to oneiric-proposed mid next week so it can be a zero day SRU. [20:41] ScottK: ok, then I'll do the backports over the weekend [20:52] bah, got a system lockup while installing updates and now /usr/lib/libsolidcontrolnm09.so.4 crashes both kded4 and plasma [20:52] yofel: should I commit the packaging? [20:53] sure, just keep the note on the wiki that it still needs fixing [20:55] * yofel tries to figure out how to fix this mess... [21:00] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kturtle] Jonathan Kolberg * 14 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release [21:05] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/parley] Jonathan Kolberg * 20 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release [21:19] k, system recovered, but the NM plasma applet doesn't work [21:21] * bulldog98 had problems with nm connecting to an password protected wifi (WAP/WAP2 Enterprice TTLS PAP) [21:22] well, here it simply crashes [21:23] http://paste.kde.org/131251 [21:24] and I'm not really sure where the issue is, as I might as well blame the system freeze I had just now === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [23:21] pim packages updated.