[00:25] <jon_high9000> Hello, is there a way to view hidden files like with ubuntu i.e. ctrl+h?
[00:28] <jon_high9000> I meant view hidden files in kubuntu 11.04.
[01:05] <sithlord48> jon_high9000, you can use alt+. in dolpnin or use the view menu in it to toggle show hidden
[02:43] <Guest84619> hi,all of my audio works in the ubuntu desktop... but only KDE apps work in KDE... I am using 11.10 prerelease, but I had this problem in 11.04
[02:44] <Guest84619> at first no audio worked.... It tried to put audio out of a non-existant HDMI connection... I told it to prefer the internal audio, it it worked... but only for KDE apps
[03:00] <brambleclaw> hey i've been having trouble getting my kopete app to function with my windows live ID it keeps telling me that i have the wrong password. what can i do to fix it?
[03:02] <Guest84619> brambleclaw: what version, what os,  and you double checked that your password is correct in another app?
[03:04] <brambleclaw> kubuntu the most recent version avalable through KPackageKit and i have checked and double checked on the hotmaile wedsite
[03:04] <Guest84619> brambleclaw: same problem for me, using ubuntu 11.10 and whatever comes with it
[03:04] <brambleclaw> thats weird
[03:05] <Guest84619> you did email@hotmail.com?
[03:05] <brambleclaw> yeah\
[03:05] <Guest84619> or just email?
[03:05] <maco> Guest84619: try changing it in pavucontrol instead of just changing the kde setting
[03:05] <brambleclaw> i used  @hotmail
[03:05] <Guest84619> so did i.. in the passport section...  is broken?  maybe another server"?
[03:05] <Guest84619> maco: will try now
[03:08] <Guest84619> maco: the sound works in pavucontrol, but it does not work in flash
[03:08] <Guest84619> maco: ... I turned _OFF_ the high deff audio and ... IT WORKS!!!
[03:08] <maco> haha
[03:08] <Guest84619> I already had the internal audio set as the preference
[03:08] <maco> oh silly flash
[03:09] <Guest84619> maco: I would have thought that off would mean something like sending audio to /dev/null
[03:09] <Guest84619> .. maybe my games have sound now...
[03:09] <maco> apparently "on" meant "configuration? but but but but HI DEF!"
[03:11] <Guest84619> maco: High Definition Audio Controller:   Profile:  Off    ... not Digital Sound HDMI output...
[03:11] <maco> the HD in HDMI is high def, though, isnt it?
[03:11] <Guest84619> this is funny because I don't have HDMI plugged in... and I would think HDMI has a way to detect if something is plugged into it..?
[03:11] <Guest84619> maco: yes
[03:11] <maco> jack sense? no idea. i know 1/8" jacks have jack sense, but being possible in hardware doesnt necessarily mean the driver supports it fully
[03:14] <Guest84619> maco: should I file a bug?
[03:15] <maco> sure. ubuntu-bug linux, then after you get the bug number, apport-collect -p alsabase   BUGNUMBER
[03:16] <maco> erm, alsa-base, with a -
[03:16] <maco> the first because i suspect a kernel bug, the second so that audio debugging stuff gets attached
[03:25] <brambleclaw> maco i just downloaded the app "emesene" and it works!
[03:25] <brambleclaw> i logged in and it works
[03:39] <brambleclaw> guest 84619 hey i just downloaded the app "emesene" and it works i tested it
[03:41] <Guest84619> maco, bug#869661
[03:41] <maco> ubottu: bug 869661
[03:42] <maco> Guest84619: dang, brad is FAST
[03:43] <maco> and why is he still at work....?
[03:43] <Guest84619> who is brad?
[03:44] <maco> the guy who already marked teh bug as confirmed. he works on the kernel team
[03:44] <Guest84619> cool
[03:45] <Guest84619> may be a dupe then
[03:45] <maco> or just him being unsurprised to hear there are jack sense bugs :P
[06:22] <blummmmm> hi
[07:58] <Franc> hey ppl
[07:58] <Franc> can someone help me with a wubi problem?
[07:58] <Franc> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'C:\\ubuntu\\install\\ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso'
[07:59] <bazhang> whats the question
[07:59] <Franc> hey bazhang funny seeing u here
[08:00] <Franc> it has errored twice on that
[08:00] <jussi> Franc: what did you do to get that error?
[08:01] <Franc> tried to install ubuntu using wubi
[08:01] <bazhang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/780918
[08:01] <Franc> just a sec ill pastebin the whole log
[08:01] <bazhang> bug #780918
[08:01] <bazhang> augh
[08:02] <bazhang> bittorrent ports closed on restrictive networks
[08:02] <jussi> Franc: seems like its a current bug, can you open the bittorrent ports on that network?
[08:03] <Franc> they are open i belive
[08:03] <Franc> i torent stuff all the time
[08:04] <bazhang> https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/156922
[08:05] <jussi> Franc: follow the info in the link bazhang gave :)
[08:07] <bazhang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/780437
[08:07] <bazhang> augh
[08:07] <bazhang> bittorrent uses different than the conventional ports for wubi
[08:09] <bazhang> http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/12/27/wubi-ubuntu-installer-for-windows-oserror-errno-13-permission-denied/ and a workaround
[08:12] <Franc> aok i changed the ntfs permissions and if that doesnt work (which i suspect it wont because it redownloads it every time) i will try the direct download/replace method (but again i think this wont work because it gets replaced on install but one that wubi downloads)
[08:13] <bazhang> no, thats covered in the earlier links.
[08:13] <Franc> i read the earlier links
[08:13] <Franc> it being redownloaded and replaced by wubi isnt covered
[08:14] <bazhang> okay then. good luck
[08:14] <Franc> ;) k thinks
[10:54] <dhenz> hi
[11:40] <AttackModeJesus> test
[11:55] <Mausschubser> hello, how can I find out which sata chip I have?
[12:51] <dafne> panico!come faccio a capire xchè con alcuni programmi non funziona l'audio?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:09] <AimOn_> Hi! Anyone here, that could be of any help with a network issue?
[13:45] <hulkhogan> hi
[13:45] <bazhang> hi
[13:46] <hulkhogan> howdy
[14:40] <mintlars> anyone know when 11.10 RC will be released?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> oct 13 is the official date , no rc just an official release
[14:42] <BluesKaj> mintlars, you can also get more info at #ubuntu+1
[14:52] <JeroenDeDauw> I removed the trash can icon from dolphin instead of emptying my trash (which I find incredibly amusing for some reason :d); where is the trash folder so I can re-add it?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> JeroenDeDauw, click the cashew on the right hand side of the panel>add widgets>trash
[15:18] <JeroenDeDauw> BluesKaj: I don't see any cashew...
[15:18] <JeroenDeDauw> Just a close and a move button
[15:38] <TheLastProject> The Flootbots are spamming? o,o
[15:49] <TheLastProject> Thanks Pici, that was necessary :P
[15:49] <Pici> np
[15:51] <shane2peru> so, kde is getting an upgrade? any issues with this?  breakages?
[15:53] <TheLastProject> Depends, if the FloodBots are KDE-based then we had something that broke pretty seriously already :P
[15:54] <shane2peru> lol. :)  hmm, given my lack of usage of floodbots on my local machine, then I guess no worries. :)
[15:58] <TheLastProject> Wow, the floodbot is really buggy today :P
[16:52] <Kottizen> hi, I just got a MacBook Pro and I'd like to install Kubuntu
[16:52] <Kottizen> however, I'm wondering whether it supports multitouch or not - does it?
[17:06] <OerHeks> Kottizen, i am not sure. best way to find out, is join #Ubuntu-touch i guess
[17:09] <Kottizen> OerHeks: thans
[17:09] <Kottizen> thanks* even
[17:10] <OerHeks> Kottizen, i have an apple youch device myself, not all gestures do work .. maybe it is involving now, i have not used it for 3 months
[17:11] <Kottizen> ok, but scrolling with two fingers and such works?
[17:11] <OerHeks> 2 finger tab should work yes, but not the magic resize windows and stuff like that
[17:12] <OerHeks> or maybe it does..
[17:12] <Kottizen> good, 2 finger tab is all I need
[17:12] <OerHeks> you make me curious again
[17:12] <Kottizen> uhm
[17:12] <Kottizen> right click?
[17:12] <Kottizen> does that work?
[17:12] <Kottizen> I don't even know if the touchpad differs between the right and the left side
[17:13] <OerHeks> no, that is a gesture, i think
[17:13] <Kottizen> ok
[17:13] <OerHeks> did you check the mactel pages ?
[17:13] <Kottizen> nope - will do!
[17:14] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[17:15] <OerHeks> my device is here, maybe intresting to see howfar it is now > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/AppleMagicTrackpad
[17:16] <Kottizen> cheers
[17:17] <Kottizen> I'll just install it and see what's supported and what's not
[17:18] <OerHeks> have fun, let us know
[17:27] <Kottizen> aw
[17:27] <Kottizen> "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[17:31] <Kottizen> I'll try booting it from a USB flash drive instead
[17:49] <excognac> hi all! Lately I had serious trouble with LibreOffice: while i was writing a document and a spreadsheet or a presentation was open at the same time, after a while I could only use my mouse to point but not click, keyboard was off too, so I had to reboot this LAPTOP. Note that all files were super simple. So what's the matter?
[17:54] <BarkingFish> excognac, we'd need a few more details to be able to tell you.  For example, what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[17:55] <excognac> 11.04, LibreOffice is 3.3.4 system is up to date
[17:56] <excognac> the machine is quite ok, 4gb RAM, core i3 2310
[17:56] <BarkingFish> Ok. How much memory do you have in your laptop, and what type of processor?  64 bit or x86?
[17:56] <BarkingFish> nvm
[17:56] <BarkingFish> you're psychic :)
[17:56] <excognac> lol
[17:57] <BarkingFish> !info libreoffice-3.3.4 natty
[17:57] <BarkingFish> !info libreoffice natty
[17:58] <BarkingFish> so your processor would be 64 bit, correct?
[17:58] <James147> excognac: are you sure its related to liberoffice? did it happen more then once?
[17:59] <excognac> no, it happened a quite a few times.
[18:00] <OerHeks> excognac, nothing to be found in .libreoffice/3/user/backup ? or .libreoffice/3/user/temp
[18:00] <excognac> and I don't remember if it ever happened with any other package. That's why I use kde: dead stable
[18:02] <BarkingFish> i was thinking, the next time you run it, if you could open konsole and have something like  top  running in the background while you're working, it might be a good idea to see if any of your processes start to use a large amount of memory.
[18:02] <BarkingFish> I've experienced similar problems on my laptop which has a lot lower spec than your own, 1GB ram and  Centrino mobile in it.
[18:03] <excognac> nope, i could see it. nothing. The only suspicious omen is HD spinning
[18:04] <excognac> OerHeks: nope, that directory is empty
[18:05] <excognac> but when this Freeze appears the machine becomes silent.
[18:06] <excognac> any further info?
[18:12] <excognac> so both .../temp and .../backup are empty
[19:46] <goodzilla> silent?!!
[19:49] <genii-around> goodzilla: Mostly. Quiet can be good.
[20:14] <goodzilla> ???
[20:15] <goodzilla> any ideas?
[20:20] <g0rs> goodzilla: what was that?
[21:13] <shane2peru> anyone using ubuntuone (u1) in kubuntu?
[21:17] <jussi> shane2peru: not I, but did you have a particular question?
[21:17] <shane2peru> mostly, how to install it and get it running in kde, I used it in my gnome days a little
[21:18] <shane2peru> thought about re-visiting it, however seems kde support/setup is lacking
[21:18] <sithlord48> shane2peru:  idk maybe this still works? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-one-alpha1-in-kubuntu-10-10.html
[21:19] <shane2peru> right, that is the problem, most of the guides are out dated.
[21:20] <sithlord48> it seams there are not packages for oneriric or natty  named ubuntuone-kde in his repo..
[21:20] <shane2peru> hmm, I should have read your post instead of trying the guide, I found out the same. :)
[21:21] <shane2peru> that is very annoying:   http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/   So, Windows gets U1, but Kubuntu is left in the dark???
[21:21] <jussi> shane2peru: perhaps its worth asking in #ubuntuone ?
[21:22] <shane2peru> I did, nothing yet
[21:22] <shane2peru> how do I remove that ppa?
[21:22] <sithlord48> an other example of gnome ppl not giving back to kde :(
[21:22] <jussi> shane2peru: ahh, so you did
[21:22] <jussi> sithlord48: lets not go there
[21:22] <sithlord48> open up muon  or what ever package manager your using
[21:22] <shane2peru> yep, that was my second stop.
[21:22] <sithlord48> jussi:  agreeed!
[21:22] <jussi> !ppapurge
[21:23] <shane2peru> cli
[21:23] <shane2peru> :)
[21:23] <jussi> !info ppapurge
[21:23] <sithlord48> idk the cli
[21:23] <shane2peru> my favorite package manager
[21:23] <jussi> !info ppa-purge
[21:23] <shane2peru> but I forget some of the not used commands
[21:23] <jussi> ahh there we are
[21:23] <jussi> shane2peru: for getting rid of the ppa ^^^
[21:24] <shane2peru> jussi got it thanks!  I was following your bot requests
[21:24] <sithlord48> also look thru the packages i don't see the ubuntuone-kde packge in oneriric's normal stuff.
[21:25] <sithlord48> odd that package does not show anywhere in his repo anymore.
[21:25] <shane2peru> sudo ppa-purge ubuntuone-kde
[21:25] <shane2peru> Updating packages lists
[21:25] <shane2peru> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ubuntuone-kde/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[21:25] <shane2peru> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ubuntuone-kde/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:25] <shane2peru> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[21:25] <shane2peru> Warning:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[21:25] <shane2peru> PPA to be removed: ubuntuone-kde ppa
[21:25] <FloodBotK2> shane2peru: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:25] <FloodBotK1> shane2peru: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:25] <shane2peru> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: ubuntuone-kde ppa
[21:27] <apachelogger> kaboom
[21:27] <sithlord48> hey apachelogger what happend to ubuntuone-kde?
[21:27] <apachelogger> it died
[21:27] <sithlord48> oh no...
[21:28] <sithlord48> shane2peru:  sudo ppa-purge ppa:apachelogger/ppa
[21:29] <sithlord48> do you know at all about a replacement for ubuntuone-kde?
[21:30] <apachelogger> I think its called dropbox
[21:30] <jussi> spideroak ;)
[21:30]  * apachelogger aint going to comment on the name :P
[21:31] <jussi> If you want an extra 1 gb on spideroak, Ill give you an invite ;)
[21:31]  * jussi hugs apachelogger
[21:35] <jussi> shane2peru: for spideroak with an extra gig (for both of us) https://spideroak.com/download/referral/99c3821fc3eaa2f97a5760aaa3551172
[21:35]  * jussi goes to bed
[21:37] <cher> Hrmpf. KpackaeKit offered me 300+ updates. I sayd "okay, let's go". And now KPackageKit hangs at 60% with dpkg for 5 minutes already. :(
[21:39] <cher> What will happen if I just kill kpackagekit during update?
[21:39] <damaranzig> i have just install natty 11.04 on my machine that used to be dual-boot...now I cant see grub with the OS boot selection...pls. help
[21:40] <jussi> damaranzig: push and hold shift at start
[21:40] <cher> jussi: You are joking, aren't you? Do you know how good that "push and hold shift at start" works on an A8-3850? It works 1 in 20 tries.
[21:41] <damaranzig> jussi, aha! thank you...will try that...must reboot now to check...thanks again ;)
[21:43] <sithlord48> cher
[21:43] <cher> yep?
[21:44] <sithlord48> open konsole. and run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:44] <sithlord48> should finish up your installs (sorry for the delay)
[21:45] <cher> No problem. Is it known why dpkg hangs with the latest updates?
[21:45] <sithlord48> no but i  think its just the gui tools...
[21:46] <cher> I can see (ps -aef) that dpkg is still running.
[21:46] <cher> gui tools blocking its output pipe?
[21:46] <sithlord48> oh you might have to 'sudo kill-all dpkg' ffirst
[21:47] <sithlord48> happens w/ muon as well but never noticed it w/ apt-get
[21:48] <cher> Oh and it was muon, not kpackagekit btw.
[21:48] <cher> I never know which of these two will run. Why are there two anyway? It seems random which of these shows me that there are updates, and sometimes both of them pop up.
[21:48] <sithlord48> idk i don't use the gui tools to update, my gf did untill i had to do that a few times on her machine, now she's using apt-get also ..
[21:49] <sithlord48> there are two because your using not oneriric, and kpackagekit was default before then .
[21:50] <cher> If only I knew how to disable this muon and kpackagekit sh*t - but these new KDE versions are so freaking intransparent.
[21:51] <sithlord48> im on natty i just removed packagekit, i only have muon... (but idk what the exact packages i removed were)
[21:51] <cher> This KDE stuff looks nice but is full of bugs.
[21:52] <sithlord48> kpackagekit?
[21:52] <sithlord48> oh kubuntu in general?
[21:53] <cher> Well... I still prefer kubuntu over ubuntu because of KDE. I like the possibilities for keyboard shortcuts, like that I can configure Meta+Space for changing the screen of a window.
[21:53] <cher> But compared to kubuntu 9.04, kubuntu 11.04 is - sorry, but these words are justified - fucking shit.
[21:53] <sithlord48> lol , not on my machines.
[21:53] <cher> I don't know if it's the quality of kubuntu itself, or if it's the upstream packages.
[21:54] <maco> family friendly channel, please dont swear, even if you're angry
[21:54] <cher> http://www.riedquat.de/blog/2011-08-21-02 - I gave up extending the list btw..
[21:54] <sithlord48> i have i don't even know how many kubuntu machines that i maintain. people who used to run windows and beg me to fix their machines,.
[21:56] <sithlord48> natty have been well beahaved on all the hw i've used it on.
[21:56] <cher> If I would have more time I would use LFS. I'm using a distro for not having to compile every little thing myself and take care of all the library dependencies etc.. I used SuSE for over a decade, then happily switched to Kubuntu when I discovered Kubuntu 9.04. But now I'm so disappointed that I seriously consider switching back to OpenSuSE.
[21:56] <sithlord48> cher:  should i address them here?
[21:57] <cher> The hardware?
[21:57] <sithlord48> the krandr thing is not to be used when you have a propertary driver.
[21:57] <cher> Haha, good joke - how the hell is a user supposed to know that?
[21:57] <sithlord48> also never use sudo to start graphical programs.
[21:57] <sithlord48> use kdesudo
[21:58] <cher> I don't have problems with sudo.
[21:58] <sithlord48> you can trash a system that way
[21:58] <cher> How that?
[21:59] <sithlord48> by screwing up premissions in your ~/ folder.
[21:59] <cher> If I can trash the system by running sudo xyz instead of kdesudo xyz, there's something seriously going wrong...
[21:59] <cher> How should kdesudo behave differently regarding permissions from sudo?
[21:59] <sithlord48> no , for gui programs you should use kdesudo not cli stuff
[22:00] <cher> What does kdesudo do different than sudo regarding the permissions?
[22:00] <sithlord48> seams like a good part of this list seams to be related to the  ati driver/xorg?
[22:01] <sithlord48> khexedit = use okteta instead
[22:01] <cher> What was the command to clean a crashed apt-something?
[22:01] <sithlord48> sudo dpkg--configure -a
[22:02] <sithlord48> wait..
[22:02] <sithlord48> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:02] <cher> Wah... okteta definitely cannot replace khexedit. It cannot even decode utf-8. khexedit could.
[22:03] <cher> It looks pretty close to khexedit, but has fewer features.
[22:03] <sithlord48> okteta is great. have you used it lately? i see Utf-8 in my list..
[22:03] <sithlord48> decoding table
[22:03] <cher> I've just started it. The one that comes with kubuntu 11.04.
[22:04] <sithlord48> its comes w/ newer kde no? i see its part of kde , comes from kde.org.
[22:05] <cher> okteta is full of bugs.
[22:05] <sithlord48> i've not used suse in a long time, i found over time i prefer debian based (or debian it self)
[22:05] <sithlord48> ?
[22:05] <cher> okteta bugs: http://pastebin.com/1VuV93nZ
[22:06] <cher> I hate it when developers are so sloppy. Wouldn't happen on my team.
[22:06] <rtdos> whenever there is an update, the update hangs. on any update. i am forced to reboot and run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" nearly all the time.
[22:06] <cher> rtdos: Same problem here.
[22:06] <rtdos> so it's a bug?
[22:06] <cher> And now, dpkg --configure -a doesn't help, I still can't run apt-something.
[22:07] <sithlord48> rtdos you don not have to reboot, you can use 'sudo kill-all dpkg' to stop dpkg
[22:07] <sithlord48> what error are you getting cher?
[22:07] <rtdos> sithlord48: i've tried that.
[22:07] <rtdos> is it a kernel bug?
[22:07] <cher> wtf? I changed locale in kde settings long ago, and it does not update LANG...
[22:07] <sithlord48> rtdos:  idk i think its a muon bug.
[22:08] <cher> Probably that's why I get the German texts instead of the English ones all the time.
[22:08] <sithlord48> <- does not have issues updating uses apt-get update
[22:09] <sithlord48> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118052.0
[22:09] <cher> apt-get remove kpackagekit -> couldn't lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[22:10] <sithlord48> LOL, close kpackagekit?
[22:10] <cher> killed 10 minutes ago.
[22:10] <rtdos> this has been going on for a little over a week now.
[22:10] <sithlord48> something has the lock :(
[22:11] <sithlord48> i don't use the gui tools to update, so i can't confirm , as i was telling cher, my gf had this issue a few times, but shes been also using the cli tools to update  . no issues.
[22:11] <cher> What is qaptworker?
[22:11] <cher> qaptworker is an evil binary. Binaries should give info when run with --help.
[22:12] <sithlord48> its part of qapt, the qt apt backend thats part of muon, and prolly whats got your lock
[22:12] <rtdos> i get this error whenever i use sudo apt-get in some form::   sudo: unable to resolve host KUBUNTU
[22:12] <rtdos> could that be related to my update/lockup issue?
[22:12] <sithlord48> perhaps.
[22:12] <cher> yep it was what held the lock. Well... if muon was killed, it really should've taken care about its child processes :(
[22:13] <sithlord48> yes it should have..
[22:13] <rtdos> kernel bug?
[22:13] <rtdos> like i said this didn't with me until recently
[22:13] <sithlord48> why do u think everything is a kernel bug?
[22:14] <damaranzig> I was here a while ago pestering this channel with my problem concerning  inability to see grub with OS selections after I updated 10.10 to 11.04...It seems grub, this time, has a problem with the monitor because there's this thing that says "input not supported". In my "Additional Drivers" app, I have NVIDIA 173 which active but "currently not in use"...so which driver am i actually using ? how do I find this out? Thanks for any help coming.
[22:15] <sithlord48> lsmod too see loaded modules
[22:15] <damaranzig> I have tried the "shift key" hold on start...but still I didn't see grub
[22:15] <damaranzig> sithlord48, thanks...i'll check that pronto
[22:16] <damaranzig> I've just done lsmod and didn't see nvidia
[22:17] <sithlord48> as for getting to grub, it depens on your version (prolly grub2) that should be hold shift as grub starts, but some computers will flag kbd error if you hold it as soon as you turn the machine on or two long before grub, some i've noticed do not init the kbd fast enuff (usually older machines w/ usb kbd) sometimes on those helps to go to bios or hit a boot selection key then try to get to grub menu
[22:19] <damaranzig> my hdd was dual-boot when i was using 10.10...after i updated to 11.04 I don't see grub anymore + i see that "input not supported" message on my monitor at boot time
[22:20] <cher> I'm just downloading kubuntu 11.10 beta 2. I don't think it makes sense reporting 11.04 bugs when 11.10 is on the way. I'll check how 11.10 beta 2 behaves.
[22:20] <damaranzig> i thought 11.04 was supposed to be stable
[22:22] <cher> damaranzig: That's what I thought, too :D
[22:22] <damaranzig> cher, does natty use nouveau ?
[22:22] <cher> I can't tell because I don't know what nouveau is?
[22:23] <damaranzig> ah, ok
[22:23] <cher> But if you tell me what it is there's a very good chance that I will find out.
[22:23] <cher> Or wait I'll just google it up myself.
[22:24] <damaranzig> nouveau was the default graphics driver for 10.10, I guess
[22:24] <cher> Is nouveau specific to nvidia?
[22:24] <damaranzig> nvidia is a third-party...10.10 came shipped with nouveau
[22:25] <cher> But nouveau is for nvidia hardware only, right?
[22:26] <damaranzig> I'm not sure if nouveau is specifically for nvidia hardware but i did lsmod and i saw neither nouveau nor nvidia
[22:26] <cher> I think nouveau is for nvidia hw. I only have amd hw here.
[22:27] <BluesKaj> it is for nvidid , it's the default
[22:27] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[22:27] <damaranzig> ok
[22:27] <damaranzig> thanks for the info
[22:29] <BluesKaj> if you wany 3d and DR / desktop effects then ou have to install the recommended driver in system > additional drivers
[22:29] <BluesKaj> darn KB ...too many coffee stains
[22:29] <damaranzig> BluesKaj, done that and it says my nvidia is "active" but "not in use"
[22:30] <tonymc> does anyone know why my system freezes under heavy disk I/O? i have played with schedulers - tried noop, deadline and cfq - deadline seems to be best but still freezes my machine when i copy a lot of stuff to/from USB
[22:30] <damaranzig> so pls. tell me anyone, how to see my grub with OS selection at boot-time...i miss my grub
[22:31] <BluesKaj> damaranzig, teah that might be a bug , tonymc , it's quite common to have the driver in use but jockey doesn't link to what's actually beinused , if desktop effects are working then ignore that message
[22:33] <damaranzig> would reinstalling grub solve the problem ???
[22:33] <tonymc> damaranzig: just edit your grub menu
[22:33] <tonymc> you can use grub customizer if you're not comfortable with editing grub config by hand
[22:33] <dank> damaranzig If don't have the other download this and fix the grub. Here you can downlad the supergrubdisk www.supergrubdisk.org
[22:33] <tonymc> there's a PPA for grub customizer
[22:34] <BluesKaj> damaranzig, hold the  shift key sown after the bios scrn til grub appears ...or you could edit the time out in /etc/default/grub
[22:34] <damaranzig> BluesKaj, thanks...will try that
[22:34] <BluesKaj> sown=down
[22:36] <BluesKaj> dank, no need for supergrub , if it's theonly OS on that drive then kubuntu auto boots into it not showing grub in the process
[22:37] <damaranzig> i actually want my grub because of my dual boot HDD
[22:38] <damaranzig> now, what is "grub_default=0" ?? in etc/default/grub
[22:39] <damaranzig> and there's this: GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true ... should i change this to "false"???
[22:47] <damaranzig> ok...will install startupmanager and see how it works
[22:50] <dank> BluesKaj damaranzig have a dual boot, it's not only OS in te PC... and damaranzig can install a new grub
[23:01] <damaranzig> he-he-he...startupmanager worked like a charm !!!
[23:02] <damaranzig> now, i'm attahere...ciao