[07:05] <jita> my menubar is gone, how can i get it back ?
[11:20] <rdi> hello, could anyone give me a link to how to improve font displaying in lubuntu. I cannot find anything
[12:49] <silverarrow> hi
[12:49] <silverarrow> anyone trying the beta?
[12:50] <silverarrow> I found a series of lubuntus launched todays
[12:50] <silverarrow> perhaps daily builds?
[12:51] <silverarrow> hi mark76
[12:52] <silverarrow> sprays bioterror with something very disinfective
[12:52] <bioterror> if the url says dailybuild, then it's dailybuilds ;)
[12:52] <bioterror> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:53] <silverarrow> makes him less of a danger
[12:54]  * silverarrow wonders if all he needs is a deodorant
[12:54] <silverarrow> that's the page I'm on
[12:54] <silverarrow> would these upgrade to the final release version along the way?
[12:54] <bioterror> yes they will upgrade
[12:55] <silverarrow> I will take the chance then
[12:55] <silverarrow> It is so close to the final release now
[12:55] <silverarrow> bugs are hopefully not detrimental
[12:57] <silverarrow> have you tried softmaker for lubuntu?
[12:57] <silverarrow> an unusually small full feature office
[12:57] <silverarrow> I have libre office
[12:57] <silverarrow> most seem to be a fork of open office
[12:57] <silverarrow> derivative is perhaps a better word
[13:01] <bioterror> bigyesyes1, libreoffice == openoffice, without java and oracle
[13:01] <silverarrow> I see
[13:01] <silverarrow> I have been very happy with libre
[13:02] <bioterror> mostly we all ;)
[13:02] <silverarrow> softmaker is new to me, but it works
[13:03] <silverarrow> works great with lubuntu
[13:03] <silverarrow> softmaker has issues with printing
[13:04] <silverarrow> or maybe it is puppyliux
[13:05] <silverarrow> anyhow, I am partitioning the hard drive, and plan a clean install of lubuntu
[13:05] <silverarrow> half for lubuntu, and half for storage on ntfs
[13:05] <silverarrow> I need some documents to be accessable in windows
[13:14] <silverarrow> I am making an attempt at dual boot in lubuntu
[13:17] <silverarrow> what would be easies, making two partitions, let puppy on one and then at last install lubuntu
[13:17] <silverarrow> or puppy linux after lubuntu? I find grubs are difficult
[13:25] <silverarrow> last time I tried dual booting I only got a black screen
[13:46] <grifo74> hello i use lubuntu 11.04 when 11.10 is out if i update my 11.04 all my instaled software work perfectly
[13:47] <xsaidx> hello guys
[13:47] <xsaidx> in the lxkeypam is there any trayicon thingy so ican change my lang keymap easily ?
[13:47] <grifo74> or is better install a new version and all software too (sorry about my englis but i´m portuguese  and i give many errors)
[13:48] <grifo74> yes exist i´m not with lubuntu now but it´s easy
[13:49] <xsaidx> grifo74: you talkin to me ?  ; ]
[13:50] <grifo74> yes
[13:50] <silverarrow> yes, software should work fine after an upgrade, but the odd issue is know to pop up sometimes
[13:50] <silverarrow> like you probably have to login with password and username,
[13:51] <silverarrow> I have updated before with out too much troulbe
[13:51] <silverarrow> however, this time I am doing a clean new install too
[13:51] <xsaidx> grifo74: what i mean when i change the keymap ill have an icon notification in my bar at the bottom
[13:52] <xsaidx> silverarrow: btw whats your problem ?
[13:52] <silverarrow> Grub2 worries
[13:52] <grifo74> thanks silverarrow
[13:52] <silverarrow> and dual boot
[13:53] <xsaidx> silverarrow: so now aht do you have exactly ?? you cant boot your system ?
[13:53] <silverarrow> an upgrade takes time, so prepare a good walk with the dog, a pot of tea, and a tv show
[13:53] <grifo74> :-)
[13:53] <grifo74> i have all time
[13:54] <silverarrow> I have had issues with grub earlier, and all I got was a black screen at bootup. This time I am partitioning the hard driven, then will do an install of lubuntu on the large part, and puppy linux on the smaller
[13:54] <silverarrow> I have decided to stick with grub2
[13:55] <grifo74> after ubunt change to unity i change to pclinuxos(roling distro) but now i find lubuntu and i like its my favorite distro
[13:55] <silverarrow> and I am wondering if default grub in lubuntu, can be made to work with puppy linux,
[13:56] <grifo74> remastersys work fine on lubuntu??
[13:57] <silverarrow> xsaidx, would you recommend an install of lubuntu first, than puppy liux, or the other way around to make grub2 adjust most easily ?
[16:52] <karol_> hello
[16:54] <mmaksimov> Hi, karol_
[16:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> mmaksimov, late =]
[16:56] <mmaksimov> IAmNotThatGuy. my mistake ;)
[16:57] <IAmNotThatGuy> it happens =D
[17:55] <wxl> anyone know if there's an 11.04 ppc version somewhere?
[17:56] <wxl> or frankly any version earlier than 11.10? :D
[17:58] <bioterror> you can install ppc version of ubuntu and fetch lubuntu packages?
[18:07] <wxl> yeah there's that
[18:07] <wxl> which kinda somewhat defeats the purpose of lubuntu
[18:07] <wxl> basically i have to install a bunch of crap so i can get rid of a bunch of crap
[18:07] <bioterror> how so?
[18:08] <bioterror> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/natty/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc64/netboot/mini.iso
[18:08] <bioterror> you're welcome
[18:08] <wxl> well i certainly don't want gnome
[18:09] <wxl> (no thank you, didn't say 64) :)
[18:09] <bioterror> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/natty/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/mini.iso
[18:10] <wxl> the end result of any ubuntu installation (from my understanding, but tell me otherwise) is that you get the whole bag of tricks
[18:10] <wxl> unless you bother to remove what you don't want
[18:10] <bioterror> !mini | wxl
[18:10] <wxl> i stand corrected
[18:13] <wxl> lubuntu-meta is the appropriate package i'm assuming?
[18:13] <bioterror> lubuntu-core or lubuntu-desktop
[18:14] <wxl> what's the difference, if any?
[18:14] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktio --no-install-recommends
[18:14] <bioterror> with lubuntu-core you get just needed "lubuntu" packages and you can fetch what ever you really need
[18:15] <wxl> so it's basically just the de and not all the apps per se
[18:15] <wxl> ?
[18:15] <bioterror> yes
[18:15] <wxl> you rock, bioterror
[18:16] <bioterror> we'll see in few minutes do I really rock :D
[18:16] <wxl> well it'll take me a while
[18:16] <wxl> i'm at work
[18:16] <wxl> powerbook's at home
[18:16] <bioterror> you have 12" G4?
[18:16] <wxl> i could set up qemu but.. yeah, no.
[18:16] <wxl> yep
[18:16] <bioterror> niiiiiceee
[18:16] <bioterror> I've been wanting one since 2003
[18:16] <wxl> hah, funny
[18:17] <wxl> whatcha got for trade? ;)
[18:17] <bioterror> at the moment nothing much
[18:17] <wxl> i was kidding anyways
[18:17] <wxl> i rather like the thing
[18:17] <bioterror> I've got rid of about all of my computer stuff
[18:17] <bioterror> that I dont need
[18:18] <wxl> i keep debating abotu whether or not i want to keep os x on it
[18:18] <bioterror> you dont want to keep it
[18:18] <wxl> i also had to, for irony's sake, really resist the urge to not put freebsd on it
[18:18] <bioterror> they have 10.7 out and you're using probably 10.4 or 10.5
[18:18] <wxl> 10.5
[18:19] <bioterror> when I run 10.4, I met problems with "this version of OS X no longer supported" :D
[18:19] <bioterror> ran
[18:19] <wxl> which is a little laggy frankly
[18:19] <wxl> right
[18:19] <wxl> and that's soon to be the case in the age of 10.7
[18:19] <bioterror> dunno if that happens to 10.5 now
[18:19] <wxl> there's a few things
[18:19] <wxl> can't do the latest firefox
[18:20] <bioterror> shame
[18:20] <wxl> have you seen http://www.maconlinux.org/ ?
[18:22] <bioterror> wxl, http://www.morphos.de/ ;)
[18:22] <wxl> hah
[18:24] <bioterror> http://www.morphos.de/screenshot_twozero.jpg
[18:24] <bioterror> that can be run on your powerbook ;)
[18:33] <wxl> seriously morphos just brings back the memories :D
[18:34] <m6locks> damn, that morphos makes me wwish i had an amiga :P
[18:34] <m6locks> RIP 68k
[18:35] <wxl> it's tempting to have it laying around.. just like baremetal os.. but that's a totally just for fun kind of thing http://www.returninfinity.com/baremetal.html
[18:35] <m6locks> or OS/2
[18:36] <m6locks> hmm, gonna reinstall snow leopard with a newer version of parallels just to get those weird and oh-so-random operating systems work
[18:36] <wxl> hahah
[18:36] <wxl> what no virtualbox?
[18:37] <m6locks> hmm not on my linux cos its a netbook
[18:37] <m6locks> or is it available on mac?
[18:37] <wxl> naw i mean on yr mac
[18:37] <wxl> yep
[18:37] <m6locks> hmm never tried it, is it any good?
[18:37] <wxl> yeah it's fab
[18:37] <wxl> i've never run parallels so i can't exactly compare but i've never had a problem with vbox
[18:38] <wxl> it's got some cool features like an rdp backdoor
[18:38] <m6locks> well, parallels is kinda huge
[18:38] <wxl> check this out: https://bikefridaywalter.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/do-windows-without-getting-your-hands-dirty/
[18:38] <m6locks> i'd prefer a lighter platform
[18:38] <m6locks> nice, thanks
[18:39] <m6locks> hmm which processors does virtualbox have support for?
[18:39] <wxl> not ppc if that's your question
[18:39] <m6locks> aye
[18:40] <wxl> but that link discusses using it remotely
[18:40] <m6locks> cos it woulda been nice to have tried that one out
[18:40] <bioterror> m6locks, I have A1200 in closet ;)
[18:40] <bioterror> m6locks, 120 euros and it can be yours ;)
[18:40] <wxl> so i'm leveraging a non-ppc computer to do the heavy lifting
[18:40] <m6locks> bioterror: lol
[18:40] <wxl> unfortunately hardware virtualization on ppc SUXXXXXXXXX
[18:40] <bioterror> it comes with mikronics tower case and 10Mbit PCMCIA NIC ;)
[18:41] <m6locks> why arent you using it
[18:41] <wxl> as i pointed out in the post, i about poked my eyes out just trying to run fluxbox on debian because of how slow it is
[18:41] <bioterror> how fluxbox can be slow? :o
[18:41] <m6locks> aye, they can suck ass
[18:41] <wxl> too many cycles spent trying to handle virtualization
[18:41] <wxl> not enough left over to do much else
[18:42] <wxl> it can be done, but it's not fun
[18:42] <wxl> certainly not productive
[18:42] <m6locks> intel is so meh, why didnt apple stick with motorola
[18:42] <wxl> i don't mind intel
[18:43] <wxl> arm would have been an interesting change :D
[18:43] <bioterror> m6locks, becouse G5 was too hot
[18:43] <bioterror> they were unable to put it inside laptop for example
[18:43] <m6locks> hmm seems they didnt fix that one with core2 macbooks :D
[18:43] <m6locks> cos mine is like an oven
[18:44] <wxl> i think part of that is the case design
[18:44] <m6locks> its constantly at 80 degreesC :P
[18:44] <wxl> open up any apple and it's like "holy shit how did all this get in here???!!"
[18:44] <m6locks> well true that, they have managed to fit stuff there
[18:45] <wxl> they've gotten better but it's not great
[18:45] <m6locks> but its hard to keep cool
[18:45] <bioterror> and that 1st gen G5 powermac and all the failures with coolant fluids
[18:45] <wxl> heh
[18:45] <m6locks> actually waitin for them super kickass laptops with no harddrive and just really fast memory
[18:46] <wxl> keep waiting
[18:46] <bioterror> m6locks, you can buy macbook air with SSD
[18:46] <m6locks> its comin, i read stuff that they can use some weird forms of crystals of whatever that is lightning-fast
[18:46] <wxl> i read something or other about making the memory more directly accessible
[18:46] <wxl> no bus
[18:46] <m6locks> bioterror: but ssd aint that fast
[18:47] <bioterror> m6locks, I bet it's fast ;)
[18:47] <m6locks> naw, not THAT fast
[18:47] <m6locks> hmm if i find that link i
[18:47] <m6locks> ll post it
[18:48] <wxl> ditto
[18:48] <wxl> i can't find it anywhere
[18:48] <wxl> i think it was on slashdot
[18:48] <wxl> or wired
[18:48] <wxl> or
[18:48] <wxl> yeah, nevermind
[18:48] <m6locks> aye :)
[18:52] <wxl> hm maybe i'm just thinking of this whole von neumann quantum computer.. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/01/2040248/First-Von-Neumann-Architecture-Quantum-Computer?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[18:54] <m6locks> i might have been talking about this http://www.dailytech.com/New+Device+Unifies+RAM+and+Flash+Could+Revolutionize+Electronics/article20730.htm
[18:56] <wxl> ohhhh the memristor
[18:57] <m6locks> looks cool, just have huge arrays of RAM
[19:09] <w30> m6locks, I hate reading about stuff like that. It makes me want one but I will be dead before they hit the market.
[19:10] <w30> m6locks, I won't even have to worry about the YK2038 32 bit bug
[19:13] <wxl> heh
[19:15] <m6locks> the speed at which technology is developing is exponential, it will take pretty much no time at all for that to hit the market
[19:16] <bioterror> would you like to join #lubuntu-offtopic, as this channel is mainly for support and gets logged
[19:16] <wxl> w/e mr. morphos ;)
[19:17] <wxl> } // shut up now
[19:17] <bioterror> you can continue there
[19:17] <bioterror> ;)
[19:17] <bioterror> I'm off to pickup RS232 cable and usb adapter
[19:18] <wxl> mmm fun
[19:18] <wxl> a serial terror, eh?
[19:41] <silverarrow> hi
[19:41] <silverarrow> does it matter if I use lubuntu or xubuntu on a comptuer with 1GB ram?
[19:41] <silverarrow> Totem is way to heavy for my cpu
[19:42] <silverarrow> lubuntu is working fine though, maybe just stick with it
[19:42] <silverarrow> I tend to test options
[19:59] <silverarrow> no one here?
[20:04] <wxl> xubuntu still has lingering gnome crap on it silverarrow
[20:04] <wxl> it's the "lightweight" ubuntu that isn't
[20:05] <wxl> you might find this perspective useful http://maketecheasier.com/lubuntu-review-a-lightweight-ubuntu-variant/2010/05/06
[20:05] <wxl> besides, if it's not broken don't fix it
[20:23] <silverarrow> hi
[20:24] <silverarrow> I need lightweight
[20:56] <grifo74> hello how i make my lubuntu reconect 4Gb
[20:58] <bioterror> grifo74, you have 4GB hard drive and you cant install lubuntu?
[20:58] <wxl> or did you disconnect a 4gb usb and need to remount it?
[20:58] <wxl> or... ??????
[20:59] <grifo74> no 4gb memory
[20:59] <bioterror> or are you talking about 4GB of RAM is showing only ~3GB
[20:59] <bioterror> grifo74, use PAE-kernel or 64bit Lubuntu
[20:59] <grifo74> how i install pae-kernel
[21:00] <grifo74> and after i install pae-kernel how i uninstall old kernel
[21:06] <head_victim> !pae | grifo74
[21:07] <head_victim> I'm about to head out but that might give you more information.
[21:07] <wxl> wow i didn't know about that limitation
[21:07] <wxl> that's odd
[21:07] <head_victim> wxl: not odd at all. It's a hardware limitation
[21:08] <bioterror> wxl, seems like you've learned today a lot ;)
[21:09] <grifo74> thanks i go try the comand to install pae-kernel
[21:10] <bioterror> pae-kernel is not better than real 64bit system ;)
[21:10] <wxl> so is that true for 10 and 11 that it should automatically pick up on your memory and install the right kernel?
[21:11] <bioterror> wxl, mini.iso for example comes with "server" kernel
[21:11] <bioterror> whichis pae
[21:11] <bioterror> and alternative
[21:12] <wxl> pae can work on x86 with <3.2gb ram, right? is it necessarily worse than a standard 32? (makes sense that 64>pae)
[21:12] <grifo74> yes i no but after a make a remaster if i want install in a machine non 64bits dont work and sometimes im my work i use i live pen with remaster and my favorite software and my pc is non 64bits lol
[21:16] <grifo74> in future all machines work with 64bits and then 128bits but now many people use 32 bits pc
[21:16] <bioterror> I see lots of 64bit computers running 32bit XP ;)
[21:17] <wxl> not to go off topic *cowers under the watchful gaze of bioterror*, but we'll be counting in qubits soon enough :D
[22:24] <phillw> wxl: that is why we have #lubuntu-offtopic :P
[22:45] <bioterror> phillw, did you get it working?
[22:46] <wxl> bioterror: to go back to a previous discussion, does that mini.iso necessarily install gdm or is that an option, too?
[22:46] <bioterror> wxl, mini.iso takes you into console only
[22:46] <bioterror> then you can install what ever you want
[22:46] <wxl> oh, tay
[22:47] <bioterror> it has no X11
[22:47] <bioterror> it's pure console
[22:47] <wxl> i get it now
[23:12] <Zetacu> hello i'm new installing lubuntu and i want to try if my tvcard is compatible. In this page it say it is. But i do'nt understand what they mean about the modules: tuner_xc2028 and cx8800. how can I install those o what I need to do to enable them?
[23:13] <Zetacu> the page is this one http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Powercolor_Real_Angel_330