[06:15] <popey> morning
[06:33] <nigelb> Morning popey!
[06:36] <AlanBell> morning
[06:36] <AlanBell> 5 hours left popey, use it wisely
[06:37] <nigelb> I thought it was already over!
[06:37] <popey> ☺
[06:37] <nigelb> That looks big in Ubuntu font!
[06:37] <nigelb> (twss, yeah :P)
[06:37] <popey> it looks great
[06:38] <nigelb> I'll miss the old CC, always active behind the curtain :)
[06:39] <nigelb> Morning dholbach!
[06:39] <nigelb> Anyone knows when the poll go out?
[06:39] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[06:39] <dholbach> which poll?
[06:39] <nigelb> New CC!
[06:40] <AlanBell> you expired last night dholbach :)
[06:40] <dholbach> everything is prepared, we just need to resolve a final question
[06:40] <dholbach> I hope to get it out there today
[06:40] <nigelb> dholbach: The answer is 42! :D
[06:40] <dholbach> thanks nigelb :)
[06:41] <nigelb> heh
[06:42] <nigelb> The office is empty today! There's like about 4 people per floor. Instead of about 25 to 30-ish
[06:42] <nigelb> (2 days of holiday, followed by one working day, followed by 2 days of holiday)
[06:43] <popey> ☺
[07:32] <dpm> good morning all!
[07:32] <nigelb> Morning dpm!
[07:32] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[07:55] <kim0> morning all
[08:04] <dholbach> hi kim0
[08:10] <kim0> dholbach: howdy man
[08:31] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:00]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[09:04] <czajkowski> can I get one too ......:(
[09:14] <popey> I didnt think you liked hugs
[09:16] <czajkowski> need one today
[09:17] <czajkowski> this whole week has been one long disaster
[09:17] <czajkowski> but arrving in for a 9:30 meeting to be told A) it's on elesehwere and B) forgot to tell me I didnt need to be at it
[09:17] <czajkowski> kinda sucks
[09:18]  * dholbach hugs you all
[09:18]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach 
[10:40]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski 
[10:40] <czajkowski> Pendulum: *hugs*
[10:42]  * jussi has voted! :D
[10:53] <nigelb> popey: around?
[10:53] <popey> hello
[10:53] <nigelb> popey: heh, help! Is "foo > /dev/null 2>&1" the right way to make foo quiet?
[10:53] <popey> depends how you're running foo
[10:54] <nigelb> run from a bash script
[10:54] <popey> "nohup ./foo" is nice
[10:54] <nigelb> ah!
[10:54] <nigelb> that gives me logs as well, right!
[10:54] <popey> ya
[10:54] <nigelb> popey: Thanks!
[11:18] <jussi> Someone should tell martin albisetti to fix his circular linkage on his LP/wiki pages...
[11:23] <akgraner> oh crap - forgot about my own wiki page :-/ DOH!
[11:23] <jussi> akgraner: get on it!! :D
[11:24] <akgraner> yep - I am taking the kids to band camp this morning then back here to fix it :-)
[12:49] <AlanBell> popey: Emmet Hikory doesn't expire until next year
[12:49] <nigelb> I did wonder about that.
[12:49] <nigelb> Maybe his term was for a year since he only stepped up for nixternal?
[12:52] <dholbach> AlanBell, nigelb is right - Emmet was picked from the elections results of the year before when nixternal stepped down
[12:52] <dholbach> this was done to avoid having yet another election
[12:53] <AlanBell> ok
[12:53] <dholbach> technically the "people's support" was for that term
[12:53] <akgraner> jussi - ok I think it's organized a bit better :-)  you can tell me if I missed something ...
[12:53] <dholbach> it was just never reflected in LP
[12:53] <jussi> akgraner: link me again?
[12:53] <AlanBell> I was just checking it was deliberate
[12:53] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmberGraner
[12:54] <dholbach> thanks AlanBell, nigelb
[12:54] <nigelb> dholbach: Thanks for confirming :)
[12:54] <nigelb> akgraner: It looks much better!
[12:54] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[12:55] <akgraner> nigelb,  - I am sure I left something out :-/
[12:56]  * popey updates his blog post
[12:58] <dholbach> thanks popey
[12:58] <popey> np
[12:58] <popey> wonder how many people will vote
[12:59] <popey> out of what, 700 or so?
[12:59] <czajkowski> with a week to do it
[12:59] <czajkowski> that alone is interesting
[12:59] <nigelb> popey: we're 700 now? neat.
[12:59] <AlanBell> 687 humans
[12:59] <AlanBell> 1 bot
[12:59] <nigelb> aha, 687.
[13:00] <dholbach> 686 actually
[13:00] <dholbach> there was scott and scott-canonical in there
[13:00] <dholbach> but I haven't had the time yet to find out why there's 2 Scotts
[13:00] <nigelb> ah.
[13:00] <nigelb> lol
[13:00] <dholbach> if somebody wants to investigate, please do
[13:00] <dholbach> I just made sure he just has one vote :)
[13:01] <nigelb> I there was a work ID vs volunteering ID.
[13:01] <nigelb> *I guess
[13:01] <nigelb> wait a minute.
[13:01] <nigelb> scott-canonical?
[13:01] <nigelb> Doesn't exist.
[13:01] <AlanBell> ah, yes 686, I counted the header row on my spreadsheet :)
[13:01] <nigelb> AlanBell: haha :D
[13:01] <AlanBell> I had no duplicate scott
[13:01] <dholbach> sorry, canonical-scott
[13:02] <nigelb> so, 685?
[13:02] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-scott - https://launchpad.net/~scott
[13:02] <AlanBell> then again . . .
[13:02] <dholbach> 686
[13:02] <jussi> i
[13:02] <popey> o
[13:02] <dholbach> in any case it's lunch time over here
[13:02] <dholbach> if you find out anything, let me know
[13:02] <popey> :D
[13:02] <jussi> popey: no... i686 :P
[13:02] <AlanBell> I agree on the 686
[13:02] <popey> ahhh
[13:03] <nigelb> jussi: heh
[13:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: so outta the 686 how many are women ?
[13:47] <pleia2> czajkowski: 4.97%
[13:47] <pleia2> we keep track on http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers has stats
[13:47] <czajkowski> pleia2: deadly
[13:48] <pleia2> it's worth noting that those are only ones who people have met and/or who have come out in public somehow (blog, wiki testimonials, etc) with a female gender
[13:49] <pleia2> without a doubt (it's always the case in open source) there are members who haven't disclosed their gender
[13:51] <czajkowski> nods
[13:51] <czajkowski> of course
[14:03] <akgraner> awesome stats!  Thanks AlanBell for tracking that....
[14:04] <akgraner> pleia2, I know this brings a smile to your face - Did you think it take this long to reach almost 5% when you were working to establish the UW Team...
[14:08] <18VAACABT> dholbach: question on the voting - if I rank 3 people #1, does that help or their chance, as opposed to ranking them 1, 2, 3?
[14:08] <popey> it helps them compared to others :D
[14:09] <18VAACABT> popey: ok, so it's better to have three #1s than ranking them 1,2,3, -thanks!
[14:09] <popey> dunno if it's "better"
[14:09] <popey> it doesnt help in a runoff between them
[14:10] <pleia2> akgraner: we actually hit 5% last november and then it dropped :\ we're approaching 5 again
[14:10] <popey> but i am not the best person to ask about condorcet voting
[14:10] <popey> there's vast documentation about it online :D
[14:11] <18VAACABT> popey: I'm used to the ones where you just rank the candidates in order, not rank them the same level
[14:13] <popey> yeah, its different isnt it
[14:13] <akgraner> Scott Richie is the one to ask about voting polls
[14:13] <popey> fun though :D
[14:13] <akgraner> he knows all the ends and outs of those things
[14:13] <18VAACABT> how many total places are going to be filled?
[14:14] <popey> 7
[14:14] <popey> it says on the form :D
[14:14] <popey> iirc
[14:14] <dholbach> 18VAACABT, if you need more info, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
[14:21] <erward> dholbach: hey
[14:21] <erward> I was wondering if you had a minute
[14:21] <dholbach> heya erward
[14:22] <dholbach> sure
[14:22] <czajkowski> hmm every time I see erward I keep thinking of jedward http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=w&ix=c2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=jedward
[14:22] <czajkowski> most confusin
[14:22] <erward> ok, Jono has ask me for one of my upcoming action items to be...  "Creat a web page with a set of graphs and metrics to effectively determine growth."
[14:23] <erward> he mentioned you as a reference point for some existing work in this area
[14:24]  * erward thinks about updating my handle to include a j in it
[14:24] <czajkowski> :)
[14:24] <erward> czajkowski: I actually have the same hairstyle as those guys
[14:24] <dholbach> erward, I can help you set up a number of graphs, but I'd suggest having a chat with bdmurray first, because he has set up a bunch of bug-related graphs already
[14:24] <erward> except it is on my back
[14:25] <dholbach> or was this more about testing?
[14:25] <dholbach> because in that case it'll be a bit harder because we can't (at least AFAIK) get data from iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:25] <erward> dholbach: yeah it was for testing
[14:26] <dholbach> so yeah, it's hard to get data out of that thing :)
[14:27] <dholbach> but generally it might make sense to first list numbers you'd like to track in the future
[14:27] <czajkowski> erward: you're not helping your case you know that right :)
[14:27] <erward> I did talk with jibel a little bit about iso.qa.ubuntu.com and testing.qa.ubuntu.com and how it is pretty hard to track any useful reporting mechanisms
[14:27]  * dholbach nods
[14:28] <popey> I spy sabdfl monkeying with the cc and techboard on launchpad :D
[14:28] <erward> which made me look into litmus (https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi)
[14:28] <erward> https://litmus.mozilla.org/test_run_report.cgi?test_run_id=355
[14:29] <dholbach> erward, something like: number of tests/testers per cycle/milestone, test coverage per milestone, time to full test coverage per milestone, found bugs per milestone, etc
[14:29] <erward> yeah, those sound about right for metrics to track
[14:30] <dholbach> if you can come up with a list of things you need from the site, we could try to find out what needs to be done to export this kind of data
[14:31] <erward> ok, thanks for the pointers and I'll continue to dig in further
[14:31] <dholbach> erward, and if it just spits out json or csv data, we could do the graphs separately
[14:32] <erward> k
[14:33] <czajkowski> Happy Ada Lovelace Day, in honor of the world's 1st programmer!
[14:45] <pangolin> I voted, good luck to all who are running for CC.
[14:45] <czajkowski> pangolin: Thanks
[14:46] <pangolin> also, I know a good head shrink if you want :P
[15:06] <AlanBell> pleia2: with the stats, in the very few cases where it has been unclear I have spoken to the person in question, explained the context and asked them how they would like to be counted
[15:08] <pleia2> AlanBell: I've known women who use "obviously male" names in their open source work
[15:13] <AlanBell> yup, that can happen, interestingly the new forums members have been noticably different in the way they use their identity
[15:17] <czajkowski> techincally speaking my nick is male
[15:17] <czajkowski> but feck it by now ye all know me :)
[15:18] <AlanBell> fairly sure I have you classified correctly in the stats :)
[15:18] <mhall119> yeah, czajkowski is obviously male....
[15:19] <mhall119> (the nick, not the person)
[15:22] <czajkowski> mhall119: yup
[15:22] <czajkowski> my nick on college network is cypher
[15:22] <czajkowski> and still to this day most assume they are talking to a bloke
[15:22] <czajkowski> was funny when I'd turn up to events
[15:23] <czajkowski> or um.. run a computer society made up of blokes
[15:24] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/  <- needs updating for the Precise Pangolin
[15:25] <AlanBell> um, is that actually working for people not in my house?
[15:26] <popey> it works from here in your cupboard, yes
[15:26]  * AlanBell checks outside the window to make sure popey isn't wardriving
[15:26] <pangolin> works here AlanBell
[15:27] <pangolin> I'm in your shed though
[15:27] <AlanBell> OK, well you are far enough away pangolin, it must be working
[15:27] <AlanBell> it needs a graphical refresh I think
[15:27] <nigelb> somehow I knew pangolin was idleone
[15:27] <nigelb> Though I did wonder why it wasn't PreciseOne
[15:28] <pangolin> nigelb: you know me so well :)
[15:28] <pangolin> I have that nick also
[15:28] <pangolin> hehe
[15:28] <czajkowski> seriously I don wondering what mark does be on when he comes up with the flipping names
[15:28] <popey> I like them.
[15:28] <nigelb> pangolin: hah
[15:28] <pangolin> I do also, learns me new animals
[15:29] <AlanBell> as I understand it the naming process goes like this
[15:29] <popey> pangolin is already an ubuntu hit on the first page of google
[15:29] <popey> whereas it wasnt last week
[15:29] <AlanBell> sabdfl picks a name, then silbs tells him why he can't have that one and picks another
[15:29] <pleia2> anyone know the status of the RC? people keep asking me about it
[15:30] <nigelb> pleia2: No RC.
[15:30] <pleia2> nigelb: thanks
[15:30] <nigelb> pleia2: Nothing public, but there's some testing thing.
[15:30] <nigelb> Officially though, no RC.
[15:30] <pleia2> nigelb: it's still on the release schedule so people are all confused
[15:30] <AlanBell> just daily live
[15:31] <AlanBell> o/ skaet
[15:31] <nigelb> pleia2: Yeah, I know. I think there was a mail from kate or I saw it in the channel
[15:31] <pleia2> one guy from my loco was waiting for it last night to burn for the ubuntu hour, he went with daily
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[15:45] <dholbach> jcastro, how about a developer session at UOW?
[15:46] <nigelb> I thought UOW was about using Ubuntu nowadays
[15:46] <dholbach> I'm just offering :)
[15:47] <nigelb> heh
[15:53] <jussi> werent we getting rid of UOW?
[15:53] <dholbach> no way
[15:53] <jussi> which was the one that was supposed to die then?
[15:54] <akgraner> dholbach, we used to have them so I think it would be fine :-)  We have new users that want to know more about that stuff...kinda like a teaser for developer and app developer week
[15:54] <akgraner> but that's just my thoughts
[15:54] <pleia2> jussi: user days, but we did a poll and people want us to keep it
[15:54] <jussi> pleia2: oh, ok then
[15:55] <jussi> akgraner: ++, I think a beginners developer session would be perfect
[15:56] <dholbach> great, I guess I'll add myself then
[15:56] <akgraner> pleia2, I think people like the time zones UUD operates in and the fact that it's just one continual day...and on the weekend not weekday - so they don't have to miss work etc.
[15:57] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[15:57] <pleia2> I made some slides for an upcoming 11.10 talk, anyone care to take a look to tell me if I missed anything obvious?
[15:57] <pleia2> (you'll have to ignore a unity jab at the beginning, I know my audience and it's a small group ;))
[15:57] <akgraner> hehe
[15:58] <akgraner> link?
[15:58]  * pleia2 shares in secret
[15:58] <akgraner> k
[15:59] <jussi> as topyli says, there is some ho
[15:59] <dholbach> jcastro, added my session
[15:59] <jussi> hope
[15:59] <jussi> http://falkvinge.net/2011/10/07/huge-pirate-victory-as-eu-party-group-adopts-perspective-on-copyright-monopoly/
[15:59] <dholbach> who's helping jcastro with the organisation of UOW this time around?
[15:59] <dholbach> it looks like we should get a move on getting sessions scheduled
[16:02] <czajkowski> is jcastro alive
[16:02] <czajkowski> he's very quiet
[16:03] <dholbach> I think he's at a conference
[16:04] <czajkowski> ahh
[16:04] <czajkowski> buzy bumble bee
[16:04] <popey> pleia2: I'll look (bored at work)
[16:05] <akgraner> dholbach, me - but I've been a little slack gotta get on the stick and kick some folks
[16:05] <dholbach> a bit of last minute action then :)
[16:06] <dholbach> I'm sure it'll be a great UOW again
[16:06] <akgraner> dholbach, yep - sorry about that
[16:06] <dholbach> no no
[16:06] <dholbach> I didn't mean to complain
[16:07] <akgraner> I didn't take it that way - but you're right - :-)
[16:07]  * akgraner prepares to kick people  - get ready for all my crazy emails...
[16:08] <dholbach> as a team I think we're good at pulling things together, even if it's in the last minute :)
[16:14] <akgraner> dholbach, totally
[16:14] <akgraner> so if you all can kick some people too :-)
[16:14] <akgraner> I'll email the loco-contacts today
[17:21] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:22] <dholbach> have a great WE!
[17:23] <kim0> Enjoy your WE everyone .. see you all on Thu o/
[17:23] <jussi> weekends rule :D
[17:42] <akgraner> Good Grief  - Free software founder, Richard M. Stallman is glad Jobs is gone - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-founder-richard-m-stallman-is-glad-jobs-is-gone/9707
[17:43] <jussi> Im hanging out, if anyone wants to join me :)
[17:45] <jussi> akgraner: glad you finally got to that in your feed reader :P
[17:46] <akgraner> jussi,  some days are full of facepalm...
[17:46] <jussi> akgraner: come hang out with me :D
[17:47] <akgraner> I can't right this second - I'm cooking getting ready for a friend who's coming from out of town
[17:47] <akgraner> so the computer is in the kitchen with me - and well being on camera would not be flattering at them moment
[17:47] <jussi> haha
[17:54] <skaet> AlanBell,  pre-release images are posted for testing on the ISO tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/;  these are dry runs for the official candidates that will be cut on Monday, so testing is much appreciated.
[18:00] <AlanBell> great, I will be doing some screenshots and videos of the accessibility features
[18:01] <AlanBell> and a full transcript of a screen reader install
[18:19] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/precisewords help me update http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk
[18:21] <AlanBell> I will be doing a visual refresh of the site as well
[18:29] <sense> football! Netherlands - Moldavia. Lets hope for our honour that it won't be an interesting game. ;)
[18:34] <popey> Evening everyone!
[19:03] <mhall119> where is jcastro hiding today?
[19:03] <Daviey> mhall119: he is at Openstack Design Summit, Boston.
[19:03] <mhall119> oh, that would explain it
[19:03] <Daviey> I think i left as he arrived. :)
[19:03] <nigelb> Daviey: Why aren't you?
[19:03] <mhall119> Daviey: awesome announcement about HP's cloud product using Ubuntu
[19:03] <nigelb> Or were you there for some parts of it?
[19:04] <Daviey> nigelb: I was at the Summit, Mon-Wed, Thurs and Friday was a conference.
[19:04] <Daviey> I skipped the conference.
[19:04] <nigelb> ah
[19:10]  * czajkowski tickles Daviey 
[19:31]  * Daviey giggles like a little lad.