=== IdleOne is now known as pangolin [06:15] morning [06:33] Morning popey! [06:36] morning [06:36] 5 hours left popey, use it wisely [06:37] I thought it was already over! [06:37] ☺ [06:37] That looks big in Ubuntu font! [06:37] (twss, yeah :P) [06:37] it looks great [06:38] I'll miss the old CC, always active behind the curtain :) [06:39] Morning dholbach! [06:39] Anyone knows when the poll go out? [06:39] hi nigelb [06:39] good morning [06:39] which poll? [06:39] New CC! [06:40] you expired last night dholbach :) [06:40] everything is prepared, we just need to resolve a final question [06:40] I hope to get it out there today [06:40] dholbach: The answer is 42! :D [06:40] thanks nigelb :) [06:41] heh [06:42] The office is empty today! There's like about 4 people per floor. Instead of about 25 to 30-ish [06:42] (2 days of holiday, followed by one working day, followed by 2 days of holiday) [06:43] ☺ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [07:32] good morning all! [07:32] Morning dpm! [07:32] hey nigelb :) [07:55] morning all [08:04] hi kim0 [08:10] dholbach: howdy man [08:31] Aloha [09:00] * popey hugs dholbach [09:04] can I get one too ......:( [09:14] I didnt think you liked hugs [09:16] need one today [09:17] this whole week has been one long disaster [09:17] but arrving in for a 9:30 meeting to be told A) it's on elesehwere and B) forgot to tell me I didnt need to be at it [09:17] kinda sucks [09:18] * dholbach hugs you all [09:18] * czajkowski hugs dholbach [10:40] * Pendulum hugs czajkowski [10:40] Pendulum: *hugs* [10:42] * jussi has voted! :D [10:53] popey: around? [10:53] hello [10:53] popey: heh, help! Is "foo > /dev/null 2>&1" the right way to make foo quiet? [10:53] depends how you're running foo [10:54] run from a bash script [10:54] "nohup ./foo" is nice [10:54] ah! [10:54] that gives me logs as well, right! [10:54] ya [10:54] popey: Thanks! [11:18] Someone should tell martin albisetti to fix his circular linkage on his LP/wiki pages... [11:23] oh crap - forgot about my own wiki page :-/ DOH! [11:23] akgraner: get on it!! :D [11:24] yep - I am taking the kids to band camp this morning then back here to fix it :-) [12:49] popey: Emmet Hikory doesn't expire until next year [12:49] I did wonder about that. [12:49] Maybe his term was for a year since he only stepped up for nixternal? [12:52] AlanBell, nigelb is right - Emmet was picked from the elections results of the year before when nixternal stepped down [12:52] this was done to avoid having yet another election [12:53] ok [12:53] technically the "people's support" was for that term [12:53] jussi - ok I think it's organized a bit better :-) you can tell me if I missed something ... [12:53] it was just never reflected in LP [12:53] akgraner: link me again? [12:53] I was just checking it was deliberate [12:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmberGraner [12:54] thanks AlanBell, nigelb [12:54] dholbach: Thanks for confirming :) [12:54] akgraner: It looks much better! [12:54] nigelb, thanks! [12:55] nigelb, - I am sure I left something out :-/ [12:56] * popey updates his blog post [12:58] thanks popey [12:58] np [12:58] wonder how many people will vote [12:59] out of what, 700 or so? [12:59] with a week to do it [12:59] that alone is interesting [12:59] popey: we're 700 now? neat. [12:59] 687 humans [12:59] 1 bot [12:59] aha, 687. [13:00] 686 actually [13:00] there was scott and scott-canonical in there [13:00] but I haven't had the time yet to find out why there's 2 Scotts [13:00] ah. [13:00] lol [13:00] if somebody wants to investigate, please do [13:00] I just made sure he just has one vote :) [13:01] I there was a work ID vs volunteering ID. [13:01] *I guess [13:01] wait a minute. [13:01] scott-canonical? [13:01] Doesn't exist. [13:01] ah, yes 686, I counted the header row on my spreadsheet :) [13:01] AlanBell: haha :D [13:01] I had no duplicate scott [13:01] sorry, canonical-scott [13:02] so, 685? [13:02] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-scott - https://launchpad.net/~scott [13:02] then again . . . [13:02] 686 [13:02] i [13:02] o [13:02] in any case it's lunch time over here [13:02] if you find out anything, let me know [13:02] :D [13:02] popey: no... i686 :P [13:02] I agree on the 686 [13:02] ahhh [13:03] jussi: heh [13:45] AlanBell: so outta the 686 how many are women ? [13:47] czajkowski: 4.97% [13:47] we keep track on http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers has stats [13:47] pleia2: deadly [13:48] it's worth noting that those are only ones who people have met and/or who have come out in public somehow (blog, wiki testimonials, etc) with a female gender [13:49] without a doubt (it's always the case in open source) there are members who haven't disclosed their gender [13:51] nods [13:51] of course [14:03] awesome stats! Thanks AlanBell for tracking that.... [14:04] pleia2, I know this brings a smile to your face - Did you think it take this long to reach almost 5% when you were working to establish the UW Team... [14:08] <18VAACABT> dholbach: question on the voting - if I rank 3 people #1, does that help or their chance, as opposed to ranking them 1, 2, 3? [14:08] it helps them compared to others :D [14:09] <18VAACABT> popey: ok, so it's better to have three #1s than ranking them 1,2,3, -thanks! [14:09] dunno if it's "better" [14:09] it doesnt help in a runoff between them [14:10] akgraner: we actually hit 5% last november and then it dropped :\ we're approaching 5 again [14:10] but i am not the best person to ask about condorcet voting [14:10] there's vast documentation about it online :D [14:11] <18VAACABT> popey: I'm used to the ones where you just rank the candidates in order, not rank them the same level [14:13] yeah, its different isnt it [14:13] Scott Richie is the one to ask about voting polls [14:13] fun though :D [14:13] he knows all the ends and outs of those things [14:13] <18VAACABT> how many total places are going to be filled? [14:14] 7 [14:14] it says on the form :D [14:14] iirc [14:14] 18VAACABT, if you need more info, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method [14:21] dholbach: hey [14:21] I was wondering if you had a minute [14:21] heya erward [14:22] sure [14:22] hmm every time I see erward I keep thinking of jedward http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=w&ix=c2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=jedward [14:22] most confusin [14:22] ok, Jono has ask me for one of my upcoming action items to be... "Creat a web page with a set of graphs and metrics to effectively determine growth." [14:23] he mentioned you as a reference point for some existing work in this area [14:24] * erward thinks about updating my handle to include a j in it [14:24] :) [14:24] czajkowski: I actually have the same hairstyle as those guys [14:24] erward, I can help you set up a number of graphs, but I'd suggest having a chat with bdmurray first, because he has set up a bunch of bug-related graphs already [14:24] except it is on my back [14:25] or was this more about testing? [14:25] because in that case it'll be a bit harder because we can't (at least AFAIK) get data from iso.qa.ubuntu.com [14:25] dholbach: yeah it was for testing [14:26] so yeah, it's hard to get data out of that thing :) [14:27] but generally it might make sense to first list numbers you'd like to track in the future [14:27] erward: you're not helping your case you know that right :) [14:27] I did talk with jibel a little bit about iso.qa.ubuntu.com and testing.qa.ubuntu.com and how it is pretty hard to track any useful reporting mechanisms [14:27] * dholbach nods [14:28] I spy sabdfl monkeying with the cc and techboard on launchpad :D [14:28] which made me look into litmus (https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi) [14:28] https://litmus.mozilla.org/test_run_report.cgi?test_run_id=355 [14:29] erward, something like: number of tests/testers per cycle/milestone, test coverage per milestone, time to full test coverage per milestone, found bugs per milestone, etc [14:29] yeah, those sound about right for metrics to track [14:30] if you can come up with a list of things you need from the site, we could try to find out what needs to be done to export this kind of data [14:31] ok, thanks for the pointers and I'll continue to dig in further [14:31] erward, and if it just spits out json or csv data, we could do the graphs separately [14:32] k [14:33] Happy Ada Lovelace Day, in honor of the world's 1st programmer! [14:45] I voted, good luck to all who are running for CC. [14:45] pangolin: Thanks [14:46] also, I know a good head shrink if you want :P [15:06] pleia2: with the stats, in the very few cases where it has been unclear I have spoken to the person in question, explained the context and asked them how they would like to be counted [15:08] AlanBell: I've known women who use "obviously male" names in their open source work [15:13] yup, that can happen, interestingly the new forums members have been noticably different in the way they use their identity [15:17] techincally speaking my nick is male [15:17] but feck it by now ye all know me :) [15:18] fairly sure I have you classified correctly in the stats :) [15:18] yeah, czajkowski is obviously male.... [15:19] (the nick, not the person) [15:22] mhall119: yup [15:22] my nick on college network is cypher [15:22] and still to this day most assume they are talking to a bloke [15:22] was funny when I'd turn up to events [15:23] or um.. run a computer society made up of blokes [15:24] http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/ <- needs updating for the Precise Pangolin [15:25] um, is that actually working for people not in my house? [15:26] it works from here in your cupboard, yes [15:26] * AlanBell checks outside the window to make sure popey isn't wardriving [15:26] works here AlanBell [15:27] I'm in your shed though [15:27] OK, well you are far enough away pangolin, it must be working [15:27] it needs a graphical refresh I think [15:27] somehow I knew pangolin was idleone [15:27] Though I did wonder why it wasn't PreciseOne [15:28] nigelb: you know me so well :) [15:28] I have that nick also [15:28] hehe [15:28] seriously I don wondering what mark does be on when he comes up with the flipping names [15:28] I like them. [15:28] pangolin: hah [15:28] I do also, learns me new animals [15:29] as I understand it the naming process goes like this [15:29] pangolin is already an ubuntu hit on the first page of google [15:29] whereas it wasnt last week [15:29] sabdfl picks a name, then silbs tells him why he can't have that one and picks another [15:29] anyone know the status of the RC? people keep asking me about it [15:30] pleia2: No RC. [15:30] nigelb: thanks [15:30] pleia2: Nothing public, but there's some testing thing. [15:30] Officially though, no RC. [15:30] nigelb: it's still on the release schedule so people are all confused [15:30] just daily live [15:31] o/ skaet [15:31] pleia2: Yeah, I know. I think there was a mail from kate or I saw it in the channel [15:31] one guy from my loco was waiting for it last night to burn for the ubuntu hour, he went with daily [15:31] jcastro: ping [15:45] jcastro, how about a developer session at UOW? [15:46] I thought UOW was about using Ubuntu nowadays [15:46] I'm just offering :) [15:47] heh [15:53] werent we getting rid of UOW? [15:53] no way [15:53] which was the one that was supposed to die then? [15:54] dholbach, we used to have them so I think it would be fine :-) We have new users that want to know more about that stuff...kinda like a teaser for developer and app developer week [15:54] but that's just my thoughts [15:54] jussi: user days, but we did a poll and people want us to keep it [15:54] pleia2: oh, ok then [15:55] akgraner: ++, I think a beginners developer session would be perfect [15:56] great, I guess I'll add myself then [15:56] pleia2, I think people like the time zones UUD operates in and the fact that it's just one continual day...and on the weekend not weekday - so they don't have to miss work etc. [15:57] akgraner: yep [15:57] I made some slides for an upcoming 11.10 talk, anyone care to take a look to tell me if I missed anything obvious? [15:57] (you'll have to ignore a unity jab at the beginning, I know my audience and it's a small group ;)) [15:57] hehe [15:58] link? [15:58] * pleia2 shares in secret [15:58] k [15:59] as topyli says, there is some ho [15:59] jcastro, added my session [15:59] hope [15:59] http://falkvinge.net/2011/10/07/huge-pirate-victory-as-eu-party-group-adopts-perspective-on-copyright-monopoly/ [15:59] who's helping jcastro with the organisation of UOW this time around? [15:59] it looks like we should get a move on getting sessions scheduled [16:02] is jcastro alive [16:02] he's very quiet [16:03] I think he's at a conference [16:04] ahh [16:04] buzy bumble bee [16:04] pleia2: I'll look (bored at work) [16:05] dholbach, me - but I've been a little slack gotta get on the stick and kick some folks [16:05] a bit of last minute action then :) [16:06] I'm sure it'll be a great UOW again [16:06] dholbach, yep - sorry about that [16:06] no no [16:06] I didn't mean to complain [16:07] I didn't take it that way - but you're right - :-) [16:07] * akgraner prepares to kick people - get ready for all my crazy emails... [16:08] as a team I think we're good at pulling things together, even if it's in the last minute :) [16:14] dholbach, totally [16:14] so if you all can kick some people too :-) [16:14] I'll email the loco-contacts today [17:21] alright my friends - I call it a day [17:22] have a great WE! [17:23] Enjoy your WE everyone .. see you all on Thu o/ === kim0 is now known as kim0|holiday [17:23] weekends rule :D [17:42] Good Grief - Free software founder, Richard M. Stallman is glad Jobs is gone - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-founder-richard-m-stallman-is-glad-jobs-is-gone/9707 [17:43] Im hanging out, if anyone wants to join me :) [17:45] akgraner: glad you finally got to that in your feed reader :P [17:46] jussi, some days are full of facepalm... [17:46] akgraner: come hang out with me :D [17:47] I can't right this second - I'm cooking getting ready for a friend who's coming from out of town [17:47] so the computer is in the kitchen with me - and well being on camera would not be flattering at them moment [17:47] haha [17:54] AlanBell, pre-release images are posted for testing on the ISO tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/; these are dry runs for the official candidates that will be cut on Monday, so testing is much appreciated. [18:00] great, I will be doing some screenshots and videos of the accessibility features [18:01] and a full transcript of a screen reader install [18:19] http://pad.ubuntu.com/precisewords help me update http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk [18:21] I will be doing a visual refresh of the site as well [18:29] football! Netherlands - Moldavia. Lets hope for our honour that it won't be an interesting game. ;) [18:34] Evening everyone! === daker is now known as daker_ [19:03] where is jcastro hiding today? [19:03] mhall119: he is at Openstack Design Summit, Boston. [19:03] oh, that would explain it [19:03] I think i left as he arrived. :) [19:03] Daviey: Why aren't you? [19:03] Daviey: awesome announcement about HP's cloud product using Ubuntu [19:03] Or were you there for some parts of it? [19:04] nigelb: I was at the Summit, Mon-Wed, Thurs and Friday was a conference. [19:04] I skipped the conference. [19:04] ah [19:10] * czajkowski tickles Daviey [19:31] * Daviey giggles like a little lad.