[04:08] <GTRsdk> hi
[17:15] <dtigue> i would like a cloak please
[17:15] <dtigue> https://launchpad.net/~dtigue
[17:16] <pangolin> ircc awake
[17:16] <pangolin> !membership | dtigue
[17:17] <pangolin> ircc cancel that
[17:18] <dtigue> hmm, so how does one go about getting that recognition ?
[17:18] <pangolin> dtigue: you can get an unaffiliated cloak in #freenode for an @ubuntu/member cloak you need to read the info on the link ubottu gave you
[17:20] <jussi> dtigue: do lots of cool stuff
[17:20]  * jussi smacks pangolin for not checking first
[17:21] <pangolin> jussi: apologies, I assume most people know that they need to become a member before asking for a member cloak.
[17:21] <jussi> pangolin: its about 50/50 ;)
[17:22] <pangolin> dtigue: basically it is like at a gym, pay your dues and then we expect you to work harder :)
[17:23] <jussi> pangolin: thats a pretty good example :P
[17:23] <pangolin> thanks.
[17:26] <dtigue> haha, i've been using linux since 1996, i moved to ubuntu just because i felt i should learn what the rest of the world is gonna be using so i could support it, i hold linux certs and for a living i am a sys. admin for linux servers, according to the membership guidelines of how to "apply" you have to jump through a bunch of hoops that may still end up with you being denied membership
[17:27] <dtigue> i dont know that i have the time to go to meetings and the like just to be 'considered' a member
[17:28] <dtigue> i though having a launchpad account made you a member
[17:28] <k1l> dtigue: ubuntu membership means that you need to contribute to the community. no matter if you are a "linux pro" and patching stuff or you help in your loco team in reallife. there a million of ways you can contirbute
[17:30] <dtigue> exactly, and i have been contributing to the community of ubuntu and linux as a whole before ubuntu was even around, but how does one prove that he has helped out through irc or through going out in to the wild on his off days and handing out free ubutnu disks?
[17:31] <dtigue> or holding local lug meetings and shoving ubuntu on all the people that show up who are still running slack, by telling them ubuntu is the way of the future
[17:32] <k1l> dtigue: then talk to your loco group.
[17:32] <dtigue> my loco group are about dead
[17:32] <k1l> dtigue: then revive it.
[17:32] <jussi> dtigue: do you have ubuntu members that can cheer for you at a membership meeting?
[17:32] <dtigue> i tried getting things going with them at one point a few years back and they didn't want to hear it
[17:33] <dtigue> they may have revived it by now, but once i was given the cold shoulder there i was pretty much done trying with em
[17:34] <Pici> Ubuntu Membership is about recoginising the folks who have been contributing to this project.  I've seen a number people be denied because they were directing their efforts at Debian, or one piece of upstream software.
[17:34] <k1l> dtigue: for the status ubuntumember you need to contribute to the ubuntu community.
[17:34] <pangolin> if you are helping Ubuntu just so you can get membership, you are doing it wrong.
[17:34] <Pici> Its not about just linux related things.
[17:35] <dtigue> and i have contrbuted to the ubuntu community, you would know that if you read my earlier messages
[17:36] <dtigue> but its ok, i will move on, i dont have to be cloaked under the flag of "ubuntu-elitism"
[17:36] <Pici> I think you're getting the wrong message about this.
[17:36] <pangolin> dtigue: seems to me that you are the one being eletist
[17:36] <k1l> dtigue: we are not about to judge the effort. i just want to let you know, that you need some testimonials or some way the membership board can see your efforts.
[17:37] <Pici> Everyone goes through this same process.
[17:37] <dtigue> pangolin: how is telling you guys of my experience elitist?
[17:38] <pangolin> dtigue: it isn't your assumption that you /should/ get membership because of experience is though
[17:38] <pangolin> s/it isn't/it isn't,/
[17:39] <pangolin> it's about an attitude, the current members didn't help Ubuntu just so they could be members. They did it because they wanted to even if they never got membership.
[17:39] <dtigue> no not at all....i wasnt trying to get the membership from my experience, i was just telling you guys of my experience, i thought i would qualify because of my contributions, but like i said how can one prove that i have done the things i have done
[17:40] <dtigue> i didn't do any of the things i have done to be a member, hell i didn;t even know there was a 'membership' until recently
[17:40] <pangolin> dtigue: the membership boards use a few different factors to /prove/ for one your word is assumed to be good, testimonials from current members and users...
[17:41] <k1l> dtigue: like i said. get testimonials from other users or get the ubuntu users you helped with come to your membership metting, when you apply, and let them cheer up for you.
[17:42] <pangolin> dtigue: well, create a wiki page like it says in the link from the bot and add yourself to a meeting you can attend. they don't last more then an hour usually.
[17:42] <pangolin> also, if you can't attend a meeting for your reginal board you can attend a different board meeting if the time is better for you.
[17:43] <dtigue> i dont really have time for that right now, but maybe i can try to get around to it later, i have my hands in alot of projects at the moment
[17:44] <pangolin> dtigue: that is fine. sorry I called you eletist it wasn't very Ubuntu of me :/
[17:48] <dtigue> no problem
[17:49] <dtigue> i guess maybe i need to make myself be known a little bit more in the help channels
[17:49] <dtigue> its just hard finding the time for that
[17:51] <dtigue> but i will do it if you guys think it will help
[17:52] <k1l> dtigue: contribution is not only about the support channels. translations, forums support, loco work, patching stuff, etc. find your way you can contribute to the community. that is about becoming a member.
[17:53] <k1l> what i mean is: one way is not better than the other :)
[17:54] <jussi> dtigue: I guess the advice I would give to you is to go and make what you are doing visible to people who can cheer for you.
[17:55] <jussi> (and then of course, go do more cool stuff)
[17:55] <dtigue> i cant translate anything, forums is something i definetly need to spend more time in, as far as the loco if it is still the same as it was last time then it needs a revolt to fix it
[17:56] <jussi> dtigue: where are you located (curiousity only, feel free to not reveal)
[17:56] <dtigue> there isn't many linux users or ubuntu users in Alabama, the company i work is one of the few that uses it on the desktops and servers
[17:56] <dtigue> alabama
[17:56] <jussi> ok
[17:57] <pangolin> there are also Ubuntu Hours
[17:57] <pangolin> !hour
[17:57] <pangolin> hmm
[17:57] <jussi> dtigue: yeah, looks like the group hasnt updated their wiki in ages (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam)
[17:57] <pangolin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[17:57] <dtigue> as far as patching, im in the very early stages of learning python
[17:58] <dtigue> so how can we get someone else in charge of the AlabamaTeam
[17:58] <pangolin> those are a neat and informal way of getting people involved and doing advocacy
[17:58] <dtigue> looking at the hours wiki now
[17:58] <jussi> dtigue: Id recommend you dont try do _everything_ - choose something and do it well
[17:58] <pangolin> it's about quality more than quantity
[17:59] <dtigue> jussi, here in alabama, i have to do everything or nothing will get doen here :)
[17:59] <dtigue> doen/done
[17:59] <dtigue> as you can see with the alabamateam, people aren't motivated to get things done here
[18:00] <dtigue> we are a little slow :) j/k
[18:00] <pangolin> They just need someone to jump in and start maybe
[18:00] <pangolin> the ubuntu hours is a good way to start
[18:01] <jussi> eah +1 to the ubuntu houres
[18:01] <dtigue> the ubuntu hours i had never heard of, but i have done things like that hundreds of times
[18:01] <dtigue> well its good talking to you folks, and i will act upon your suggestions, but it is time for lunch
[18:02] <jussi> laters dtigue
[18:02] <pangolin> later dtigue see you around ubuntuland :)