| NRWlion | morning | 05:19 |
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| YoBoY | bonjour | 05:47 |
| akgraner | hi all - sorry I haven't been around much these last few days | 10:51 |
| akgraner | kids schedules are nuts at the moment | 10:51 |
| knome | schedules made of nuts? tasty! | 10:52 |
| Cheesehead | kome: +1 | 12:37 |
| akgraner | :-) | 13:05 |
| akgraner | CC elections are under way - Just updated my WIki page :-) | 13:05 |
| akgraner | this is kinda exciting | 13:06 |
| YoBoY | I already voted :) | 13:22 |
| akgraner | YoBoY, yay! Thanks for taking the time to do so :-) | 13:35 |
| akgraner | I forgot to update my wiki so I just did that then voted :-) | 13:36 |
| Cheesehead | charlie-tca: When you have time, are you now able to log into Brainstorm? | 13:45 |
| Cheesehead | I have that checked off my list as done, but not confirmed | 13:46 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't tried. I got a message from Nicolas asking if I am using brainstorm to login, which seemed ridiculous, since your message said I could not even log in to brainstorm. | 13:47 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't answered him yet | 13:48 |
| Cheesehead | I defer to nand on technical issues. If there was a discrepancy, he was probably correct. | 13:48 |
| Cheesehead | During the final days before release, I certainly understand why this would be a quite low-priority issue for you! | 13:50 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, it's nice to see the TB is still reviewing the top Brainstorm ideas for each month | 14:05 |
| akgraner | and that developers are looking at those ideas :-) | 14:06 |
| akgraner | cprofitt, good luck! | 14:06 |
| cprofitt | thanks | 14:06 |
| cprofitt | you as well | 14:06 |
| akgraner | thanks :-) | 14:06 |
| Cheesehead | akgraner: Well, I did need to poke them...and only five of the ten got responded to...and they missed one whole cycle back in June. But (laughs) I doubt I could do any bettere, so *yes, I am happy about it* | 14:08 |
| akgraner | we pull the top 1-5 each week just to highlight those ideas | 14:08 |
| akgraner | we=UWN | 14:08 |
| Cheesehead | I was so happy the week there were none to pull. We changed the moderation to weed out a bunch of stuff specifically to make the TBs job easier and get better-quality ideas through to them. | 14:09 |
| Cheesehead | (Success) | 14:10 |
| Cheesehead | That's why I'm still happy with 5/10. They are *good* ideas for the most part | 14:10 |
| Cheesehead | Instead of bugs | 14:10 |
| NRWlion | hey there | 16:22 |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: ping | 16:22 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, yay! | 16:23 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: afternoon from rainy germany | 16:23 |
| NRWlion | :D | 16:23 |
| NRWlion | had any chance working my article (which isnt acceptable i know already ;) ) | 16:24 |
| akgraner | NRWlion, I'm sorry I should have gotten back to you sooner | 16:25 |
| akgraner | I like your article | 16:25 |
| akgraner | Are you submitting it in German or English? | 16:25 |
| akgraner | I think you have some great points | 16:26 |
| akgraner | I'll add some comments for you... | 16:26 |
| akgraner | working on an Ada Lovelace post right this second though | 16:26 |
| Cheesehead | NRWlion: pong. One moment, let me PM you here... | 16:26 |
| akgraner | today is Ada Lovelace Day - http://findingada.com/ | 16:26 |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: feel free | 16:27 |
| NRWlion | a see ^^ | 16:27 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: i just wrote down my thoughts as my "experience" reaches back for 2 - 4 years now | 16:28 |
| NRWlion | have had a read about many academic literatures and thought it might be a good way to point it out =( | 16:29 |
| akgraner | NRWlion, your thoughts are really good | 16:30 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: tell it to cheese and Darkwing ;) | 16:31 |
| NRWlion | cprofitt: hey there | 16:31 |
| NRWlion | cprofitt: could you spare a moment for pm? | 16:31 |
| cprofitt | sure | 16:32 |
| Cheesehead | NRWlion: I agree with akgraner. Your thoughts are really good. I normally question assumptions and pick around the edges...from me, that's the sign of a sound idea. I kick it a little to se how it wobbles. | 16:32 |
| * Cheesehead steps out a moment to help eldest daughter paint a halloween costume | 16:33 | |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: see you in a bit. going for a championship game tonight | 16:33 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: btw i have no place where to submit it ... =( | 16:37 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: you ensured me a testimonial the day before yesterday ... havent seen it yet on my list | 16:38 |
| ashams | Guys, would you please help me to settle a date for Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day!: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay | 17:20 |
| ashams | ? | 17:20 |
| ashams | what you think should it be once or twice a year or free at any time? | 17:21 |
| akgraner | once a year... | 17:24 |
| akgraner | there are so many other ubuntu days weeks etc | 17:24 |
| ashams | yeah, i prefer this too | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | We have more than enough things that happen every 6 months, tied to the release cycles | 17:25 |
| ashams | but what about the date? | 17:25 |
| ashams | 17 sept, 20 oct ? | 17:25 |
| akgraner | one sec | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | November is pretty open after the first week | 17:25 |
| ashams | charlie-tca: that's a new nomination then :) | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | October is full of Ubuntu User Week, Ubuntu DeveloperWeek, Ubuntu apps developer week, etc | 17:26 |
| charlie-tca | also getting ready for UDS, and planning stuff for the next release | 17:26 |
| ashams | when will be the uds? | 17:27 |
| charlie-tca | What do we do in November besides a week for UDS? | 17:27 |
| ashams | aha | 17:27 |
| charlie-tca | First week of November | 17:27 |
| ashams | we need to set a date just to avoid that ppl will get confused | 17:28 |
| ashams | we want them to wait for it every year | 17:28 |
| ashams | like a feast | 17:28 |
| Cheesehead | ...or tax filings. | 17:29 |
| * Cheesehead is embarrassed he said that out loud. He meant to stay quiet. Apologies | 17:29 | |
| ashams | :D oh i forgot about that | 17:29 |
| ashams | Cheesehead: is welcome anytime anywhere :) | 17:30 |
| charlie-tca | I would hope we look at the busiest months and avoid them for anything else we can. We have two or three months a year right now that are super busy. | 17:30 |
| ashams | you mean, sept, oct & nov, right? | 17:31 |
| YoBoY | avoid september, october, november, march, april and may | 17:32 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, YoBoY | 17:32 |
| charlie-tca | ashams: releases cycles happen two times a year, thus so does almost everything else. | 17:33 |
| akgraner | august is our b/c of vacations etc | 17:34 |
| akgraner | out | 17:34 |
| charlie-tca | two months of setting up the new release, two months of final release, two times for each week of sessions in classroom | 17:34 |
| akgraner | I like November - 3rd or 4th week | 17:35 |
| charlie-tca | Me too | 17:35 |
| ashams | but shouldn't be somehow related to something in Ubuntu history? | 17:35 |
| charlie-tca | We need a week after UDS to rest, and then everyone is around again hitting the new release. | 17:35 |
| akgraner | I help moderate all these weeks in as part of backstage - so does pleia2 and nigelb and cjohnston etc | 17:36 |
| akgraner | and Pendulum and others | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | and the more that gets piled into those few weeks/months of activity, the less response you get | 17:36 |
| akgraner | charlie-tca, +1 a week to deal with UDS "hangovers" and get some rest | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | ashams: the very first release was 4.10, which released in October, so the next release started in November. That is a tie in | 17:38 |
| YoBoY | i exclude november beacause of the after uds break and the thanlsgiving preparation and the release parties in progress everywhere | 17:39 |
| charlie-tca | 5.04 was considered the first "everyone can use this" release, wasn't it? | 17:39 |
| ashams | charlie-tca: nice, warty was released on oct 20th, can we just take a month after? | 17:40 |
| charlie-tca | If I have this all screwed up, feel free to say so, but I think the more that gets piled into the same times, the less response you will see. | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | ashams: sounds like a good plan to me | 17:41 |
| akgraner | +1 from me | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | and, yes, it might catch some flak because of the American Thanksgiving holiday that will fall close to that some years. | 17:42 |
| ashams | great, i love that | 17:43 |
| ashams | so, can someone help me by entering it into the fridge | 17:43 |
| akgraner | sure...I can do that | 17:43 |
| ashams | akgraner: what does it need to be announced on UWN | 17:43 |
| ashams | thanks | 17:43 |
| akgraner | Just blog about it and point me to the link | 17:44 |
| ashams | great, will do it very soon, thanks | 17:45 |
| akgraner | Once you blog about the details - I'll add it to the fridge and link your post and wiki page in the event details sections | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | Would have been nice if they planned everything from the start, but it really happened kind of by guessing a lot until now | 17:46 |
| ashams | charlie-tca: there's not much to plan again, in fact the date was the most important point | 17:47 |
| charlie-tca | Great! Glad you got one, then | 17:48 |
| akgraner | charlie-tca, which "they" and what "everything" You confused me? (which is easy to do - heck I confuse me some days) | 17:48 |
| ashams | haha :) | 17:49 |
| charlie-tca | "they" who started way back in 2004 who never actually planned much until they got together at a date determined a month prior to plan the next release | 17:50 |
| ashams | Now clear | 17:51 |
| charlie-tca | All of us who started after that first release knew UDS would be two times a year, but never knew when until about a month before it happened | 17:51 |
| charlie-tca | We used to plan things as "between 4 and 7 months after the last one" | 17:51 |
| ashams | Thank you all, akgraner charlie-tca YoBoY Cheesehead and ashams, that's the UCADay soul :) | 17:54 |
| charlie-tca | You're welcome | 17:54 |
| YoBoY | yw :) | 17:54 |
| charlie-tca | I really thank akgraner for the much more definite scheduling now. You can pretty much plan things these days. | 17:55 |
| akgraner | charlie-tca, I just become a pain about the calendar :-) | 18:08 |
| akgraner | speaking of events | 18:08 |
| akgraner | does anyone here want to give a session for open week? | 18:09 |
| YoBoY | not me, sorry | 18:13 |
| Cheesehead | I never know what session to do, I always waver between "They won't want to know that" and "Everybody already knows that". | 18:32 |
| Cheesehead | So I stick to small-group discussions, mostinly in the LoCo. | 18:33 |
| * Cheesehead has decided to create the word "mostinly" and adds a dictionary entry | 18:34 | |
| akgraner | hahaha | 18:34 |
| philipballew | hey akgraner when is a good time to go over the spreadsheet with you? | 18:35 |
| akgraner | um good question | 18:37 |
| akgraner | Can we shoot for Tuesday | 18:37 |
| akgraner | I'll be at a Band Competition most of the day tomorrow, Sunday I'll be out and Monday my kids are out of school so it will be limited time on my computer | 18:38 |
| philipballew | alright. I need to find a good day off school. I get off work Tuesday at 5. Band. Nice. I remember when I was a few years younger my parents would spend all day or some Saturdays going to school events to watch me and my brother. | 18:40 |
| akgraner | I was a band geek myself - so now I am a crazy band parent | 18:40 |
| akgraner | who is of course in charge of our band boosters | 18:41 |
| * Cheesehead gets out his clipboard | 18:43 | |
| philipballew | nice! i play the drums. thats about it. what interments do they play? | 18:43 |
| akgraner | My daughter is in colorguard - but plays guitar and sings | 18:45 |
| akgraner | my son plays trombone.. | 18:45 |
| Darkwing | Hmmz, This isn't good. | 18:47 |
| philipballew | whats wrong Darkwing | 18:48 |
| Darkwing | I changed my primary email two days ago and it finally stopped sending to old email address this morning... But it totally stopped. It's not sending to the new email address. | 18:49 |
| akgraner | Darkwing, what's wrong | 18:49 |
| akgraner | oh | 18:49 |
| akgraner | rut roh | 18:49 |
| * Cheesehead gets out his clipboard again | 18:53 | |
| Cheesehead | Time for me to get serious about recriting trainers and assistants for the IRC workshops. | 18:53 |
| Cheesehead | If anyone has a suggestion for a skill not on the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#Skill_and_Trainer_List, please let me know. This is just the beginning (one hopes). | 18:54 |
| Cheesehead | Skill: Understanding the three languages people use to communicate: Feeling/Power/Meaning | 18:54 |
| Cheesehead | Valorie: Interested perhaps in facilitating ^ ? | 18:54 |
| Cheesehead | Or can anyone recommend a good facilitator for the topic? | 18:54 |
| Cheesehead | If you're generally interested in the topic and willing to help (a good shill is a treasure!), sign up as a Volunteer. | 18:54 |
| Cheesehead | Er, Assistant | 18:54 |
| Darkwing | If my email isn't turned back on in a couple hours... I'm not goign to be happy. | 18:55 |
| Cheesehead | Darkwing: let the Duck loose to cause mayhem again! | 18:56 |
| * Cheesehead plans to ask DarwinSurvivor to facilitate the Project Management tools session | 18:58 | |
| Cheesehead | There we go. I'll work a couple today, a couple tomorrow. See if I can get a plan and scheule in place well ahead of target. | 18:59 |
| * Cheesehead puts the clipboard away | 18:59 | |
| akgraner | remember openweek starts in less than 10 days...can you talk to some folks about giving sessions there too - just have them ping me or jcastro | 19:00 |
| akgraner | I'll be back in about an hour - kid time... | 19:00 |
| akgraner | I'm a taxi for few | 19:00 |
| philipballew | have fun! :) | 19:02 |
| * YoBoY have volunteers to recruit for November | 19:11 | |
| Cheesehead | Huh. The Open Week schedule does still seem a bit sprse. I will happily fill some of the void if needed. A topic, however, eludes me at the moment. | 19:22 |
| Cheesehead | And that's kind of important! | 19:26 |
| Cheesehead | Everybody Loves Simutrans? No, that's silly. Not everybody does. | 19:31 |
| NRWlion | re | 20:13 |
| akgraner | Cheesehead, what about brainstorm | 20:13 |
| akgraner | we haven't had a brainstorm session on the agenda in a while | 20:13 |
| akgraner | I am sure some new users have never even been to the site and don't know how it can benefit them | 20:13 |
| NRWlion | a) what agenda , b) what time and c) am i needed for that? | 20:14 |
| akgraner | NRWlion, I think they discussing Cheesehead leaderhip training stuff - but I'm trying to talk Cheesehead into giving a Brainstorm session for Open Week | 20:15 |
| NRWlion | kk | 20:17 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: maybe you and Cheesehead should have a talk about what Cheesehead and i developed earlier | 20:20 |
| akgraner | well you and Cheesehead could - NRWlion since it was what you all worked on..:-) | 20:21 |
| akgraner | I usually don't give sessions during those weeks b/c I help behind the scenes | 20:21 |
| valorie | I'll look at the dates and my calendar | 20:21 |
| valorie | right now, plate is full | 20:21 |
| akgraner | valorie, thank you - I am sure you have a dozen things you could talk about | 20:22 |
| akgraner | check out openweek - time slipped away from so we'll be scrambling last minute to get some session leaders in | 20:22 |
| akgraner | valorie, I understand that - you are a busy lady! | 20:22 |
| valorie | indeed, but I'm headed to the Googleplex for Doc Camp and the Mentor Summit | 20:23 |
| akgraner | Yeah - I joked with a couple google people about teaching a trolling session | 20:23 |
| akgraner | how to spot nice trolls | 20:23 |
| valorie | won't be at UDS, so not quite so busy that week -- although staying current via IRC and streaming is rather .... | 20:23 |
| akgraner | and how to troll a troll etc | 20:23 |
| valorie | my favorite topic so far is the session I did on the Zen of Conflict | 20:24 |
| akgraner | you know stuff from my "Country fried trolling" talk | 20:24 |
| valorie | everyone is so afraid of it | 20:24 |
| akgraner | conflict handled correctly brings about amazing things | 20:24 |
| akgraner | but yeah I know - "conflict" is not generally thought of as something postitive | 20:25 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: do you have a mail adress for me? then i could send you the stuff if Cheesehead agrees? | 20:27 |
| akgraner | sure...akgraner@ubuntu.com | 20:28 |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: are you fine with that? | 20:30 |
| valorie | once people realize that it's energy, I think it gets a bit less scary | 20:36 |
| * Cheesehead sees his name and scrolls back... | 20:37 | |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: i just asked if you give permission for me to send akgraner a mail with our conversation | 20:38 |
| Cheesehead | akgraner: I can do Brainstorm for Open Week....As long as it's known in advance that the old expectaions of Brainstorm bringing world peace through community voting are a daydream...and I'm the wake-up call. | 20:40 |
| akgraner | :-) | 20:41 |
| akgraner | I just wanted you to let people know the ends and outs and encourage them to use it :-) | 20:41 |
| Cheesehead | Certainly. | 20:41 |
| akgraner | I've seen people putting in ideas that should be bugs and bugs that should be brainstorm ideas recently | 20:41 |
| akgraner | and a little of both on Ask Ubuntu | 20:41 |
| Cheesehead | NRWlion: Feel free to share our conversation. Nothing private there. | 20:42 |
| akgraner | so I thought it might be a good opportunity to go over brainstorm and set some expectations etc | 20:42 |
| akgraner | and encourage more people to get involved | 20:42 |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: copy that ... akgraner will let you have a read on the logs of the brainstorm session between cheese and me | 20:42 |
| Cheesehead | akgraner: It always rains bugs in Brainstorm. We have lots of new-user input, we need more old hands to point out that foo was already tried. | 20:43 |
| akgraner | NRWlion, great - thank you... | 20:43 |
| akgraner | gotcha... | 20:43 |
| akgraner | I suck at being an idea reviewer for technical ideas | 20:43 |
| akgraner | but I can look up duplicate and stuff | 20:44 |
| akgraner | duplicates and stuff or get developer input on something etc | 20:44 |
| * akgraner can hunt some people down now when I need too | 20:44 | |
| Cheesehead | We have some great dupe hunters already. Vahan and Darwin are fabulous. | 20:45 |
| Cheesehead | More are welcome, but it may not be the most effective use of akgraner's time. | 20:45 |
| akgraner | They are awesome | 20:45 |
| akgraner | you have a great crew there...just let me know if there is something besides promote it's use and report stats each week | 20:46 |
| akgraner | its even | 20:46 |
| akgraner | dang it - apostrophe abuse :-) | 20:46 |
| knome | another myth busted - i thought girls never typoed | 20:47 |
| knome | ;) | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | knome: you just hang around me too much, and I'm perfect | 20:47 |
| knome | ah, that must be it | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | haha | 20:47 |
| akgraner | pleia2, is like Mary Poppins - "practically perfect in every way" | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | ah, if only :) | 20:48 |
| Cheesehead | What Brainstorm *really* needs are liasons from the other projects and teams. Somebody from, say, Unity. Not neccesarily a developer, just somebody who keeps up with the meetings and can say 'That's already roadmapped' or 'We rejected that already' or 'Cool, send us a patch' | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | Cheesehead: teams certainly look at brainstorm, but I think they fail at that feedback portion | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | and yeah, without feedback it just feels ignored | 20:50 |
| Cheesehead | I don't know if it's fail. I want to get the word out on how they can do feedback more effectively. | 20:50 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: how would you describe me? | 20:50 |
| Cheesehead | Brainstorm has some cool tools for ffeedback, and the moderators will happily use them...if there's someone to use them with. | 20:50 |
| Cheesehead | The existing Brainstorm mods can handle 90% of the submissions already. It's that last 10% that are tough. | 20:51 |
| akgraner | NRWlion, I dunno yet - gotta be around you some more before I give you a disney character name :-) | 20:51 |
| * akgraner looks at Darkwing and runs | 20:52 | |
| knome | NRWlion, hmm, "his nick starts and ends with an N" | 20:52 |
| * knome runs | 20:52 | |
| Cheesehead | valorie: Is there a link to the Zen of Conflict session? I am intrigued. | 20:53 |
| Cheesehead | pleia2: Feeling ignored is the main reason we began referring submitters directly to the appropriate team of project, and encouraging them to become more involved. | 20:55 |
| Cheesehead | That's the other thing Brainstorm prodices - a stream of new users who want to be involved, but don't know where else to go. | 20:55 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:56 | |
| * Cheesehead just invented yet another new word: prodices | 20:56 | |
| Cheesehead | One of my goals here is to find beter ways of getting them involved...instead of turning them into complainers. | 20:58 |
| NRWlion | akgraner: mail is out. have fun to read ;) its much ;) but Cheesehead and I had a very very productive session last night and earlier today | 21:03 |
| NRWlion | Cheesehead: thx again for your thoughts! really like developing things with you because in my opinion we share the same thoughts about the topic | 21:03 |
| valorie | hmmm, there should be, on the cls blog | 21:07 |
| valorie | however, I never got MY notes in there | 21:07 |
| valorie | it ended up with too many people, too many ideas, too little time | 21:08 |
| valorie | but LOTS of energy | 21:08 |
| valorie | and really, I only wanted people to start thinking of conflict in a new way, as a positive | 21:08 |
| valorie | so it felt very successful | 21:08 |
| * Darkwing snickers | 21:09 | |
| valorie | I can still feel the bubbles | 21:09 |
| valorie | :-) | 21:09 |
| NRWlion1 | re sorry internet probs :( | 21:09 |
| Darkwing | Still no email... This is not good to happen on a friday. | 21:10 |
| Darkwing | Any bets on how long RT@ubuntu.com will take to respond? | 21:10 |
| valorie | :( | 21:11 |
| valorie | {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}} to the Darkwing | 21:11 |
| Darkwing | :D | 21:11 |
| NRWlion1 | akgraner: did my mail come through with the attachments? | 21:12 |
| topyli | i miss the duck | 21:12 |
| valorie | Darkwing: may I pm? | 21:12 |
| Darkwing | Yeah... But, Darkwing is more versitile | 21:12 |
| Darkwing | valorie: Sure | 21:12 |
| topyli | Darkwing: if you say so :) | 21:12 |
| Cheesehead | NRWlion: Happy to help anytime. | 21:13 |
| Cheesehead | I think 'Darkwing' is a much better name for effective crimefighting. | 21:23 |
| NRWlion1 | Cheesehead: if you think i could be up service. pls do not hesitate to let me know, ok? | 21:24 |
| Cheesehead | NRWlion1: Of course. | 21:25 |
| NRWlion1 | akgraner: are you alife? | 21:28 |
| NRWlion1 | Cheesehead: ping, akgraner: ping | 22:03 |
| * Cheesehead looks up groggily | 22:07 | |
| NRWlion1 | Cheesehead: http://pastebin.com/mNmA8LRh | 22:08 |
| Cheesehead | Point 1 should not count against a candidate. Lack of experience of the specific position should be irrelevant; else we could never elect anybody unless they already held the position... | 22:12 |
| Cheesehead | Overall, it's a political manifesto. Interesting, but mostly opinion. | 22:13 |
| Cheesehead | (some I agree with, some not) | 22:13 |
| NRWlion1 | that was from phillw (a mentor of mine) | 22:13 |
| Cheesehead | This was clearly a draft, not the final product. | 22:16 |
| * NRWlion1 nods | 22:18 | |
| NRWlion1 | but i gotta go sleeping now ... having a double shift 2morrow | 22:18 |
| NRWlion1 | cu after shift 2morrow | 22:18 |
| Cheesehead | Have a good sleep. | 22:18 |
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