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bobjabbaNewbie question: Pwede ba for Android app development ang Code::Blocks?04:39
JucatoI don't think so. at least not for the Java parts. ung NDK (native development kit) baka pwede04:42
bobjabbaok, thanks Jucato04:52
Terminusit's an editor/has an editor so i imagine it should work fine. =)04:53
Jucatoif that's all you need, sure04:54
Jucatobut, in this case, even notepad might do04:54
JucatoC++ IDE ang Code::Blocks eh. so not sure if syntax highlighting, folding, etc. will also work04:55
Jucatonot to mention the XML stuff you need04:55
bobjabbamaganda nga may syntax highlighting04:56
bobjabbabut then I can stick with gedit04:56
Jucatofor java, autocompletion might also be essential04:56
Jucatoayaw talaga ng Eclipse? :)04:57
JucatoI mean, if you want to use an IDE for it, might as well go with the one that's directly supported04:57
bobjabbaOK lang sa akin to try eclipse but right now I'm looking for a lightweight IDE na hindi uubusin hdd space ng netbook ko lol04:59
bobjabbasiguro nga my best bet would be to use Eclipse04:59
JucatoI don't think it will take up 500MB all in all :)05:00
bobjabba250+MB :D05:01
Jucato< 500MB pa rin hehe05:01
Terminusi like eclipse the best if i need an IDE. =)05:01
JucatoI think that would include other stuff too like Java, Apache Ant, etc. etc. you'll need them for Android apps anyway05:02
Terminus*sigh* i still haven't learned how to use ant.05:02
bobjabbayeah, good point05:02
bobjabbaanother newbie question: what is Ant? :D05:02
Terminusant is the build system for java, like make.05:03
Jucatodon't worry. I don't think you'll come across ant directly while you're beginning developing android apps. 05:04
Jucato<-- beginner din05:04
Jucato:D05:04
Terminus<-- zero knowledge05:04
Terminusi don't even root my phone. haha05:05
Jucatoat least alam mo ant05:05
Jucatohahaha05:05
Jucatome neither. hindi kasi sakin05:05
Jucatolegally kay mama :)05:05
JucatoI can't install a ROM on it either05:05
Jucatoespecially since there's no ROM to install05:05
Terminusi plan to root my phone only when HTC stops providing updates for it. =)05:05
bobjabbaah thanks Jucato 05:06
JucatoTerminus: you mean, like, tomorrow? :)05:06
JucatoGalaxy Tab. no ROMs :)05:06
Jucatoonly one update ever: froyo to gingerbread05:06
TerminusJucato: uh... i think they're still providing updates to my phone. =)05:07
bobjabbaTerminus: baka rooted na yan lol jk05:07
JucatoOTA ba?05:07
Terminusyep. OTA.05:07
Terminusyou mean HTC is killing OTA?05:07
Jucatohindi. rare lang sakin marining na may nag uupdate OTA na major manufacturer hahah05:08
Jucatoo baka Samsung lang hindi ... for the Tab05:08
Jucato>.<05:08
Terminushaha05:08
Terminusone reason why i chose HTC was because they had the best track record for OTA updates out of all the manufacturers. still slow though. =/05:09
JucatoHTC didn't have a tablet back then, and not one that was easily affordable locally :P05:09
Terminusbesides, it still works. it's not like i use my phone for anything major.05:09
Jucatoif you wanted an Android tablet last year, your only bet was Galaxy Tab with SMART :D05:10
Terminusi see... i don't have any plans to get a tablet. =)05:10
Jucatomay phone na kasi eh. tablet naman. hahah!05:10
Terminushehe05:10
bobjabbalol05:10
Terminusi'm fine with phone + laptop.05:10
Jucatoah un lang. hindi kasi ako masyadong fan ng laptops05:11
Jucatoor rather, my experience with laptops have been dismal :D05:11
bobjabbalike how, Jucato ?05:11
Terminusthe macbook is the only laptop i don't have any complaints about so far.05:11
Terminuswhat i'm really waiting for is ivy bridge. i'm itching to upgrade my PC. =D05:12
Jucatobobjabba: extremely hot, poor battery life05:12
Jucatothen again, those weren't high-end or top of the line models05:12
Jucatostill, it always amazes me that some developers/programmers use laptops sometimes as their primary developing machine05:13
bobjabbaJucato: netbooks ba yun?05:13
TerminusJucato: that's why i don't consider laptops less than 35k, unless i'm fine with it being disposable after 1 year.05:13
Jucatonope. 14" :D05:13
bobjabbabrb guys, kain lang.05:13
Terminuseven then, my parents seem to be happy with their neo netbooks. hehe05:14
JucatoTerminus: ung una kasi, ate ko bumili. Pentium 4 pa nga ata eh. this current one, sa card ni mama. "promo" ng Citibank ata05:14
Jucatokaya pala nag promo, outdated units na from Dell05:14
TerminusJucato: ouch. yeah, the p4 laptops were terrible.05:14
Jucatoheck, 20k+ netbooks today have better performance (and lower footprints) than this 14" Dell :)05:14
bobjabbalol Jucato  promo05:14
Terminusoutdated is fine, as long as it's quality hardware. =)05:14
Jucatohm well05:15
Jucato2-3 hrs battery life :)05:15
Terminusi'm guessing that's not quality hardware though. >_<05:15
Jucatothat's brand new05:15
Terminuseh, not bad.05:15
Jucatonot when it goes below to 50% on boot :D05:15
Jucatoor something like that05:15
Terminusoh... that's bad.05:15
Jucatoat least un nasa battery indicator05:15
Terminusthis work laptop i'm on right now gives me 1.5 hours battery life.05:15
bobjabbaoh wow that IS bad05:16
Jucatoat syempre yang 2-3 hours na yan, ay pag on standby lang05:16
bobjabbabrb na talaga lol05:16
Jucatotry programming/compiling while on battery. hanap ka agad outlet05:16
Jucatohahah 05:16
Jucatosige kain ka na05:16
Terminusi'm impressed by the power management of os x though. my 6 hour battery life drops to 2.5 hours when i reboot to windows. haha05:16
JucatoTerminus: 1.5 hours? meron pa bang laptop na ganun?05:16
TerminusJucato: eh, laki naman siguro yung na compile mo. hehe05:16
Jucatonetbooks have I think sometimes 5-7 hours05:17
TerminusJucato: stock battery, from 2 years ago.05:17
Jucatomagaang pa05:17
Jucatoah well 2 years na rin to I think. hulugan sa credit card05:17
Terminusi don't really mind this one because it's quite powerful. trade off for battery life. besides, linux is not known for good power management. =P05:17
Jucatowell, desktop linux I guess05:17
Jucatokasi gamit sa android, ok naman di ba? :D05:18
Terminusbeats me. i need desktop linux. =P05:18
Jucatohahaha05:18
Terminusi find battery performance on my phone average at best. i miss the battery life of my old xda2. =D05:18
Jucatohell, I miss the battery life of Symbian! :D05:18
Terminusi'm sick of apps that don't integrate well when i use just a WM so i'm sticking with gnome.05:19
Terminusi still have my nokia candybar and i get 5 days battery life out of it!05:19
Terminusi never liked symbian. no matter how well the hardware improved, symbian just felt slow. XD05:20
Jucatobut the battery life makes sure that you'll eventually get there :)05:20
Jucatomahirap kung mabagal na nga mabukas ung app, low batt pa pagkabukas :D05:21
Terminushaha. good point. symbian did have good power management. i heard it was a pain to develop for it precisely because of all the stuff they had to do to optimize performance on the hardware available.05:23
Jucatoit was a pain to develop for because it was a pain to develop for05:23
Jucatohahah05:24
Jucatobetter ask loell. he's the symbian dude :D05:24
Terminushaha05:24
Jucatoit's painful C++ daw05:24
Jucatofrom what I've heard05:24
Terminusi spend too much time looking at all kinds of stuff, i can never settle on just one particular aspect of IT. XD05:24
Jucatokaya daming huminga ng malalim when Qt was ported :D05:25
TerminusQt ftw! \o/05:25
Jucatohah I know the feeling :D05:25
Terminusday job means i stare at pretty datacenter hardware and try to get the funds for it. sometimes i gotta code as well. then reddit and steam get in the way. lol05:26
Terminusat least i rarely go to 4chan.05:26
Jucatosteam?05:26
Jucatoyou look at sales all day? :)05:26
Terminusno, but i have a backlog of 100 games. XD05:27
Jucatohahaha05:27
JucatoI actually just installed the steam client this morning05:27
Jucatoit crashes05:27
Terminusawww... i've only had problems with it on os x. it's been a year and they still haven't fixed the update issues. sheesh...05:28
Jucatohehe pero ok naman sa side mo?05:28
Jucatoit's no biggie though. all the games there except Civ5 I can download directly (humble Indie bundles)05:28
Terminusyep. it works fine. i'm a bit wary about buying everything on steam though. it's just the sales that are too tempting!05:29
Terminusi have one game on origin. dragon age. i got the witcher direct from gog.com. =)05:29
Terminusso far i've gotten the 2k games, thq, and valve complete packages plus misc games when they drop below $5.05:31
Jucatoyes!! tempting sales05:33
Jucatokainis hindi ako umabot sa sale ng Portal 2 kahapon05:33
Jucato660 pesos na lang. with free DLC05:33
Terminusawww...05:33
Jucatokainis smart eh05:33
Jucatowalang SMART wireless center sa Trinoma. down naman ung machine nila sa Festival05:34
Terminusgrrr... i got rid of portal 2 to make way for DX:HR. forgot about the DLC.05:34
Jucato<-- smart money gamit05:34
Terminusi only started buying stuff online when my payroll account came with a credit card. XD05:34
Jucatohahah super dali kasi makakuha ng Smart Money05:35
Jucatoat parang debit card pa05:35
Jucatoso sure akong controlled ko05:35
Terminusyeah, sometimes it's a PITA when you can't get a credit card because of lack of credit card history.05:36
Terminuswhen i first got a card, the bank tried to push a secured card at me. i told them i want a regular card, take it or leave it. they gave me one. XD05:37
Jucatohahaah05:41
Terminusgrrr... why the heck am i getting a tftp transport error when moving files from the switch to the laptop?!05:43
Jucato"TFTP Traffic Management brought to you by MMDA"05:44
Terminushahaha05:45
Terminusoh great. winbind decided that it doesn't know my gids. again.05:45
JucatoO.o05:47
bobjabbaJucato: yung games discussion niyo are those games for Linux? I didn't know na pwede Steam sa Linux...? Or Windoze ang usapan niyo?06:14
bobjabbawb term06:14
bobjabbaterminus*06:14
Jucatothe steam client can run on Wine. some games can run decently on wine too. pero ung mga nabanggit namin specifically, windows lang06:14
Terminushello bobjabba =)06:14
Jucatobut the Humble Indie Bundle I referred to, cross platform06:14
Jucatobobjabba: Term[Tab] para walang typo :)06:15
Terminushave to clear my winbind cache every 1 to 2 weeks. >_<06:15
bobjabbaJucato: Yeah, I did term[Tab] but masyado ako mabilis yata naks06:15
Jucatohahah :)06:15
bobjabbanaka shell acct ako ngayon eh06:15
Jucatoah ssh lag?06:15
bobjabbayeah06:16
bobjabbahigh-speed kasi ang SmartBroken06:16
Terminusi got the last humble bundle but i'm not in the mood to get frozen synapse right now.06:16
Terminushehe. i refuse to get anything but a wired connection for a fixed installation.06:16
bobjabbaI've read about Humble Bundle via Full Circle...06:17
JucatoTerminus: frozen synapse + frozen bundle06:17
Jucatotapos may dinagdag pa sila the other day06:17
Jucatofrozenbyte pala06:17
bobjabbaI'm using a canopy naman but right now I' m on my netbook so wifi ng router ko ang gamit ko. mabagal parin lol06:17
Jucatofrozen synapse + frozenbyte bundle + (just yesterday) SpaceChem06:18
TerminusJucato: yeah, but i haven't played much of the last bundle yet.06:18
JucatoI haven't played anything at all!06:18
Jucatooh except crayon physics :D06:18
Terminusi sort of played with steel storm and hammerfight but that was about it.06:20
Jucatoactually ang kulang ko lang ay ung HIB106:20
JucatoI got HIB2 through a promo in HIB3 :D06:20
Terminusoh, now i remember. i got the bundle because of 'and yet it moves'06:21
Terminusyeah, did the same thing. i got HIB2 from HIB3. =)06:21
Terminusi got braid and machinarium before they went into bundles. XD06:22
Terminusoh, and world of goo too.06:22
bobjabbaayoko magbayad... LOL jk, ayoko muna06:22
Terminusout of all the indie games out there, i think i still like world of goo best.06:22
Jucatome too06:23
Jucatountil I got stuck -_-06:23
Terminusbobjabba: haha. i had the same attitude before till i got a job. now that i can buy games, i don't have the time for them. >_<06:24
Terminusgames rarely hold my attention till the end. world of goo was successful. portal 1 and 2 as well.06:24
Terminusand mass effect 1 and 2. ugh... i like bioware but i hate that they're under EA. buying games from EA somehow leaves a bad taste in my mouth.06:25
Jucatohearing "EA" always makes me think of "Sports" and "Harry Potter" :)06:27
Terminusi dunno. diversity is good. i don't want steam to be the only game available in town. at the same time, the origin store in .ph is more expensive than the one in .us. -_-06:31
JucatoI like steam for the sales/promos :)06:33
Jucatogog if the title's there06:33
Terminusyeah... if i don't mind my credit card, i can end up spending quite a lot on gog.06:34
Jucatootherwise I actually prefer to buy directly from the developer/studio if they offer it. or actually a boxed copy :)06:34
* Jucato likes seeing titles on his shelves06:34
Terminussame here. as long as it's as good a deal as those i can find through other distributors.06:34
Jucatosakin 2 lang disadvantage ng electronic/online copy (like Steam): ang hirap magdownload ng malaki at walang "bragging rights" na makikita sa mga shelves ko :D06:35
Terminusi don't like boxed copies nowadays. all they do is give you a case with a leaflet inside it.06:35
Jucato(same with ebooks btw)06:35
Jucatohaha un lang06:35
Jucatogone are the days ...06:35
Terminusi don't have much storage space so boxes are more difficult for me now. =)06:36
Jucatohahah06:36
Jucatokung sabagay. ako nga rin :D06:36
Jucatobut I'd go out and buy some plastic bookshelf06:37
Jucatohahaha06:37
Terminusonly reason for me to buy from data blitz now is if i can't wait for a download. buying a boxed copy inevitably seems to be more expensive than buying online. =|06:37
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