[04:39] Newbie question: Pwede ba for Android app development ang Code::Blocks? [04:42] I don't think so. at least not for the Java parts. ung NDK (native development kit) baka pwede [04:52] ok, thanks Jucato [04:53] it's an editor/has an editor so i imagine it should work fine. =) [04:54] if that's all you need, sure [04:54] but, in this case, even notepad might do [04:55] C++ IDE ang Code::Blocks eh. so not sure if syntax highlighting, folding, etc. will also work [04:55] not to mention the XML stuff you need [04:56] maganda nga may syntax highlighting [04:56] but then I can stick with gedit [04:56] for java, autocompletion might also be essential [04:57] ayaw talaga ng Eclipse? :) [04:57] I mean, if you want to use an IDE for it, might as well go with the one that's directly supported [04:59] OK lang sa akin to try eclipse but right now I'm looking for a lightweight IDE na hindi uubusin hdd space ng netbook ko lol [04:59] siguro nga my best bet would be to use Eclipse [05:00] I don't think it will take up 500MB all in all :) [05:01] 250+MB :D [05:01] < 500MB pa rin hehe [05:01] i like eclipse the best if i need an IDE. =) [05:02] I think that would include other stuff too like Java, Apache Ant, etc. etc. you'll need them for Android apps anyway [05:02] *sigh* i still haven't learned how to use ant. [05:02] yeah, good point [05:02] another newbie question: what is Ant? :D [05:03] ant is the build system for java, like make. [05:04] don't worry. I don't think you'll come across ant directly while you're beginning developing android apps. [05:04] <-- beginner din [05:04] :D [05:04] <-- zero knowledge [05:05] i don't even root my phone. haha [05:05] at least alam mo ant [05:05] hahaha [05:05] me neither. hindi kasi sakin [05:05] legally kay mama :) [05:05] I can't install a ROM on it either [05:05] especially since there's no ROM to install [05:05] i plan to root my phone only when HTC stops providing updates for it. =) [05:06] ah thanks Jucato [05:06] Terminus: you mean, like, tomorrow? :) [05:06] Galaxy Tab. no ROMs :) [05:06] only one update ever: froyo to gingerbread [05:07] Jucato: uh... i think they're still providing updates to my phone. =) [05:07] Terminus: baka rooted na yan lol jk [05:07] OTA ba? [05:07] yep. OTA. [05:07] you mean HTC is killing OTA? [05:08] hindi. rare lang sakin marining na may nag uupdate OTA na major manufacturer hahah [05:08] o baka Samsung lang hindi ... for the Tab [05:08] >.< [05:08] haha [05:09] one reason why i chose HTC was because they had the best track record for OTA updates out of all the manufacturers. still slow though. =/ [05:09] HTC didn't have a tablet back then, and not one that was easily affordable locally :P [05:09] besides, it still works. it's not like i use my phone for anything major. [05:10] if you wanted an Android tablet last year, your only bet was Galaxy Tab with SMART :D [05:10] i see... i don't have any plans to get a tablet. =) [05:10] may phone na kasi eh. tablet naman. hahah! [05:10] hehe [05:10] lol [05:10] i'm fine with phone + laptop. [05:11] ah un lang. hindi kasi ako masyadong fan ng laptops [05:11] or rather, my experience with laptops have been dismal :D [05:11] like how, Jucato ? [05:11] the macbook is the only laptop i don't have any complaints about so far. [05:12] what i'm really waiting for is ivy bridge. i'm itching to upgrade my PC. =D [05:12] bobjabba: extremely hot, poor battery life [05:12] then again, those weren't high-end or top of the line models [05:13] still, it always amazes me that some developers/programmers use laptops sometimes as their primary developing machine [05:13] Jucato: netbooks ba yun? [05:13] Jucato: that's why i don't consider laptops less than 35k, unless i'm fine with it being disposable after 1 year. [05:13] nope. 14" :D [05:13] brb guys, kain lang. [05:14] even then, my parents seem to be happy with their neo netbooks. hehe [05:14] Terminus: ung una kasi, ate ko bumili. Pentium 4 pa nga ata eh. this current one, sa card ni mama. "promo" ng Citibank ata [05:14] kaya pala nag promo, outdated units na from Dell [05:14] Jucato: ouch. yeah, the p4 laptops were terrible. [05:14] heck, 20k+ netbooks today have better performance (and lower footprints) than this 14" Dell :) [05:14] lol Jucato promo [05:14] outdated is fine, as long as it's quality hardware. =) [05:15] hm well [05:15] 2-3 hrs battery life :) [05:15] i'm guessing that's not quality hardware though. >_< [05:15] that's brand new [05:15] eh, not bad. [05:15] not when it goes below to 50% on boot :D [05:15] or something like that [05:15] oh... that's bad. [05:15] at least un nasa battery indicator [05:15] this work laptop i'm on right now gives me 1.5 hours battery life. [05:16] oh wow that IS bad [05:16] at syempre yang 2-3 hours na yan, ay pag on standby lang [05:16] brb na talaga lol [05:16] try programming/compiling while on battery. hanap ka agad outlet [05:16] hahah [05:16] sige kain ka na [05:16] i'm impressed by the power management of os x though. my 6 hour battery life drops to 2.5 hours when i reboot to windows. haha [05:16] Terminus: 1.5 hours? meron pa bang laptop na ganun? [05:16] Jucato: eh, laki naman siguro yung na compile mo. hehe [05:17] netbooks have I think sometimes 5-7 hours [05:17] Jucato: stock battery, from 2 years ago. [05:17] magaang pa [05:17] ah well 2 years na rin to I think. hulugan sa credit card [05:17] i don't really mind this one because it's quite powerful. trade off for battery life. besides, linux is not known for good power management. =P [05:17] well, desktop linux I guess [05:18] kasi gamit sa android, ok naman di ba? :D [05:18] beats me. i need desktop linux. =P [05:18] hahaha [05:18] i find battery performance on my phone average at best. i miss the battery life of my old xda2. =D [05:18] hell, I miss the battery life of Symbian! :D [05:19] i'm sick of apps that don't integrate well when i use just a WM so i'm sticking with gnome. [05:19] i still have my nokia candybar and i get 5 days battery life out of it! [05:20] i never liked symbian. no matter how well the hardware improved, symbian just felt slow. XD [05:20] but the battery life makes sure that you'll eventually get there :) [05:21] mahirap kung mabagal na nga mabukas ung app, low batt pa pagkabukas :D [05:23] haha. good point. symbian did have good power management. i heard it was a pain to develop for it precisely because of all the stuff they had to do to optimize performance on the hardware available. [05:23] it was a pain to develop for because it was a pain to develop for [05:24] hahah [05:24] better ask loell. he's the symbian dude :D [05:24] haha [05:24] it's painful C++ daw [05:24] from what I've heard [05:24] i spend too much time looking at all kinds of stuff, i can never settle on just one particular aspect of IT. XD [05:25] kaya daming huminga ng malalim when Qt was ported :D [05:25] Qt ftw! \o/ [05:25] hah I know the feeling :D [05:26] day job means i stare at pretty datacenter hardware and try to get the funds for it. sometimes i gotta code as well. then reddit and steam get in the way. lol [05:26] at least i rarely go to 4chan. [05:26] steam? [05:26] you look at sales all day? :) [05:27] no, but i have a backlog of 100 games. XD [05:27] hahaha [05:27] I actually just installed the steam client this morning [05:27] it crashes [05:28] awww... i've only had problems with it on os x. it's been a year and they still haven't fixed the update issues. sheesh... [05:28] hehe pero ok naman sa side mo? [05:28] it's no biggie though. all the games there except Civ5 I can download directly (humble Indie bundles) [05:29] yep. it works fine. i'm a bit wary about buying everything on steam though. it's just the sales that are too tempting! [05:29] i have one game on origin. dragon age. i got the witcher direct from gog.com. =) [05:31] so far i've gotten the 2k games, thq, and valve complete packages plus misc games when they drop below $5. [05:33] yes!! tempting sales [05:33] kainis hindi ako umabot sa sale ng Portal 2 kahapon [05:33] 660 pesos na lang. with free DLC [05:33] awww... [05:33] kainis smart eh [05:34] walang SMART wireless center sa Trinoma. down naman ung machine nila sa Festival [05:34] grrr... i got rid of portal 2 to make way for DX:HR. forgot about the DLC. [05:34] <-- smart money gamit [05:34] i only started buying stuff online when my payroll account came with a credit card. XD [05:35] hahah super dali kasi makakuha ng Smart Money [05:35] at parang debit card pa [05:35] so sure akong controlled ko [05:36] yeah, sometimes it's a PITA when you can't get a credit card because of lack of credit card history. [05:37] when i first got a card, the bank tried to push a secured card at me. i told them i want a regular card, take it or leave it. they gave me one. XD [05:41] hahaah [05:43] grrr... why the heck am i getting a tftp transport error when moving files from the switch to the laptop?! [05:44] "TFTP Traffic Management brought to you by MMDA" [05:45] hahaha [05:45] oh great. winbind decided that it doesn't know my gids. again. [05:47] O.o [06:14] Jucato: yung games discussion niyo are those games for Linux? I didn't know na pwede Steam sa Linux...? Or Windoze ang usapan niyo? [06:14] wb term [06:14] terminus* [06:14] the steam client can run on Wine. some games can run decently on wine too. pero ung mga nabanggit namin specifically, windows lang [06:14] hello bobjabba =) [06:14] but the Humble Indie Bundle I referred to, cross platform [06:15] bobjabba: Term[Tab] para walang typo :) [06:15] have to clear my winbind cache every 1 to 2 weeks. >_< [06:15] Jucato: Yeah, I did term[Tab] but masyado ako mabilis yata naks [06:15] hahah :) [06:15] naka shell acct ako ngayon eh [06:15] ah ssh lag? [06:16] yeah [06:16] high-speed kasi ang SmartBroken [06:16] i got the last humble bundle but i'm not in the mood to get frozen synapse right now. [06:16] hehe. i refuse to get anything but a wired connection for a fixed installation. [06:17] I've read about Humble Bundle via Full Circle... [06:17] Terminus: frozen synapse + frozen bundle [06:17] tapos may dinagdag pa sila the other day [06:17] frozenbyte pala [06:17] I'm using a canopy naman but right now I' m on my netbook so wifi ng router ko ang gamit ko. mabagal parin lol [06:18] frozen synapse + frozenbyte bundle + (just yesterday) SpaceChem [06:18] Jucato: yeah, but i haven't played much of the last bundle yet. [06:18] I haven't played anything at all! [06:18] oh except crayon physics :D [06:20] i sort of played with steel storm and hammerfight but that was about it. [06:20] actually ang kulang ko lang ay ung HIB1 [06:20] I got HIB2 through a promo in HIB3 :D [06:21] oh, now i remember. i got the bundle because of 'and yet it moves' [06:21] yeah, did the same thing. i got HIB2 from HIB3. =) [06:22] i got braid and machinarium before they went into bundles. XD [06:22] oh, and world of goo too. [06:22] ayoko magbayad... LOL jk, ayoko muna [06:22] out of all the indie games out there, i think i still like world of goo best. [06:23] me too [06:23] until I got stuck -_- [06:24] bobjabba: haha. i had the same attitude before till i got a job. now that i can buy games, i don't have the time for them. >_< [06:24] games rarely hold my attention till the end. world of goo was successful. portal 1 and 2 as well. [06:25] and mass effect 1 and 2. ugh... i like bioware but i hate that they're under EA. buying games from EA somehow leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [06:27] hearing "EA" always makes me think of "Sports" and "Harry Potter" :) [06:31] i dunno. diversity is good. i don't want steam to be the only game available in town. at the same time, the origin store in .ph is more expensive than the one in .us. -_- [06:33] I like steam for the sales/promos :) [06:33] gog if the title's there [06:34] yeah... if i don't mind my credit card, i can end up spending quite a lot on gog. [06:34] otherwise I actually prefer to buy directly from the developer/studio if they offer it. or actually a boxed copy :) [06:34] * Jucato likes seeing titles on his shelves [06:34] same here. as long as it's as good a deal as those i can find through other distributors. [06:35] sakin 2 lang disadvantage ng electronic/online copy (like Steam): ang hirap magdownload ng malaki at walang "bragging rights" na makikita sa mga shelves ko :D [06:35] i don't like boxed copies nowadays. all they do is give you a case with a leaflet inside it. [06:35] (same with ebooks btw) [06:35] haha un lang [06:35] gone are the days ... [06:36] i don't have much storage space so boxes are more difficult for me now. =) [06:36] hahah [06:36] kung sabagay. ako nga rin :D [06:37] but I'd go out and buy some plastic bookshelf [06:37] hahaha [06:37] only reason for me to buy from data blitz now is if i can't wait for a download. buying a boxed copy inevitably seems to be more expensive than buying online. =| [08:49] greetings amigos! === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [13:26] buenas noches mga Kalinux! === creek23 is now known as creek23|away