[04:39] <bobjabba> Newbie question: Pwede ba for Android app development ang Code::Blocks?
[04:42] <Jucato> I don't think so. at least not for the Java parts. ung NDK (native development kit) baka pwede
[04:52] <bobjabba> ok, thanks Jucato
[04:53] <Terminus> it's an editor/has an editor so i imagine it should work fine. =)
[04:54] <Jucato> if that's all you need, sure
[04:54] <Jucato> but, in this case, even notepad might do
[04:55] <Jucato> C++ IDE ang Code::Blocks eh. so not sure if syntax highlighting, folding, etc. will also work
[04:55] <Jucato> not to mention the XML stuff you need
[04:56] <bobjabba> maganda nga may syntax highlighting
[04:56] <bobjabba> but then I can stick with gedit
[04:56] <Jucato> for java, autocompletion might also be essential
[04:57] <Jucato> ayaw talaga ng Eclipse? :)
[04:57] <Jucato> I mean, if you want to use an IDE for it, might as well go with the one that's directly supported
[04:59] <bobjabba> OK lang sa akin to try eclipse but right now I'm looking for a lightweight IDE na hindi uubusin hdd space ng netbook ko lol
[04:59] <bobjabba> siguro nga my best bet would be to use Eclipse
[05:00] <Jucato> I don't think it will take up 500MB all in all :)
[05:01] <bobjabba> 250+MB :D
[05:01] <Jucato> < 500MB pa rin hehe
[05:01] <Terminus> i like eclipse the best if i need an IDE. =)
[05:02] <Jucato> I think that would include other stuff too like Java, Apache Ant, etc. etc. you'll need them for Android apps anyway
[05:02] <Terminus> *sigh* i still haven't learned how to use ant.
[05:02] <bobjabba> yeah, good point
[05:02] <bobjabba> another newbie question: what is Ant? :D
[05:03] <Terminus> ant is the build system for java, like make.
[05:04] <Jucato> don't worry. I don't think you'll come across ant directly while you're beginning developing android apps. 
[05:04] <Jucato> <-- beginner din
[05:04] <Jucato> :D
[05:04] <Terminus> <-- zero knowledge
[05:05] <Terminus> i don't even root my phone. haha
[05:05] <Jucato> at least alam mo ant
[05:05] <Jucato> hahaha
[05:05] <Jucato> me neither. hindi kasi sakin
[05:05] <Jucato> legally kay mama :)
[05:05] <Jucato> I can't install a ROM on it either
[05:05] <Jucato> especially since there's no ROM to install
[05:05] <Terminus> i plan to root my phone only when HTC stops providing updates for it. =)
[05:06] <bobjabba> ah thanks Jucato 
[05:06] <Jucato> Terminus: you mean, like, tomorrow? :)
[05:06] <Jucato> Galaxy Tab. no ROMs :)
[05:06] <Jucato> only one update ever: froyo to gingerbread
[05:07] <Terminus> Jucato: uh... i think they're still providing updates to my phone. =)
[05:07] <bobjabba> Terminus: baka rooted na yan lol jk
[05:07] <Jucato> OTA ba?
[05:07] <Terminus> yep. OTA.
[05:07] <Terminus> you mean HTC is killing OTA?
[05:08] <Jucato> hindi. rare lang sakin marining na may nag uupdate OTA na major manufacturer hahah
[05:08] <Jucato> o baka Samsung lang hindi ... for the Tab
[05:08] <Jucato> >.<
[05:08] <Terminus> haha
[05:09] <Terminus> one reason why i chose HTC was because they had the best track record for OTA updates out of all the manufacturers. still slow though. =/
[05:09] <Jucato> HTC didn't have a tablet back then, and not one that was easily affordable locally :P
[05:09] <Terminus> besides, it still works. it's not like i use my phone for anything major.
[05:10] <Jucato> if you wanted an Android tablet last year, your only bet was Galaxy Tab with SMART :D
[05:10] <Terminus> i see... i don't have any plans to get a tablet. =)
[05:10] <Jucato> may phone na kasi eh. tablet naman. hahah!
[05:10] <Terminus> hehe
[05:10] <bobjabba> lol
[05:10] <Terminus> i'm fine with phone + laptop.
[05:11] <Jucato> ah un lang. hindi kasi ako masyadong fan ng laptops
[05:11] <Jucato> or rather, my experience with laptops have been dismal :D
[05:11] <bobjabba> like how, Jucato ?
[05:11] <Terminus> the macbook is the only laptop i don't have any complaints about so far.
[05:12] <Terminus> what i'm really waiting for is ivy bridge. i'm itching to upgrade my PC. =D
[05:12] <Jucato> bobjabba: extremely hot, poor battery life
[05:12] <Jucato> then again, those weren't high-end or top of the line models
[05:13] <Jucato> still, it always amazes me that some developers/programmers use laptops sometimes as their primary developing machine
[05:13] <bobjabba> Jucato: netbooks ba yun?
[05:13] <Terminus> Jucato: that's why i don't consider laptops less than 35k, unless i'm fine with it being disposable after 1 year.
[05:13] <Jucato> nope. 14" :D
[05:13] <bobjabba> brb guys, kain lang.
[05:14] <Terminus> even then, my parents seem to be happy with their neo netbooks. hehe
[05:14] <Jucato> Terminus: ung una kasi, ate ko bumili. Pentium 4 pa nga ata eh. this current one, sa card ni mama. "promo" ng Citibank ata
[05:14] <Jucato> kaya pala nag promo, outdated units na from Dell
[05:14] <Terminus> Jucato: ouch. yeah, the p4 laptops were terrible.
[05:14] <Jucato> heck, 20k+ netbooks today have better performance (and lower footprints) than this 14" Dell :)
[05:14] <bobjabba> lol Jucato  promo
[05:14] <Terminus> outdated is fine, as long as it's quality hardware. =)
[05:15] <Jucato> hm well
[05:15] <Jucato> 2-3 hrs battery life :)
[05:15] <Terminus> i'm guessing that's not quality hardware though. >_<
[05:15] <Jucato> that's brand new
[05:15] <Terminus> eh, not bad.
[05:15] <Jucato> not when it goes below to 50% on boot :D
[05:15] <Jucato> or something like that
[05:15] <Terminus> oh... that's bad.
[05:15] <Jucato> at least un nasa battery indicator
[05:15] <Terminus> this work laptop i'm on right now gives me 1.5 hours battery life.
[05:16] <bobjabba> oh wow that IS bad
[05:16] <Jucato> at syempre yang 2-3 hours na yan, ay pag on standby lang
[05:16] <bobjabba> brb na talaga lol
[05:16] <Jucato> try programming/compiling while on battery. hanap ka agad outlet
[05:16] <Jucato> hahah 
[05:16] <Jucato> sige kain ka na
[05:16] <Terminus> i'm impressed by the power management of os x though. my 6 hour battery life drops to 2.5 hours when i reboot to windows. haha
[05:16] <Jucato> Terminus: 1.5 hours? meron pa bang laptop na ganun?
[05:16] <Terminus> Jucato: eh, laki naman siguro yung na compile mo. hehe
[05:17] <Jucato> netbooks have I think sometimes 5-7 hours
[05:17] <Terminus> Jucato: stock battery, from 2 years ago.
[05:17] <Jucato> magaang pa
[05:17] <Jucato> ah well 2 years na rin to I think. hulugan sa credit card
[05:17] <Terminus> i don't really mind this one because it's quite powerful. trade off for battery life. besides, linux is not known for good power management. =P
[05:17] <Jucato> well, desktop linux I guess
[05:18] <Jucato> kasi gamit sa android, ok naman di ba? :D
[05:18] <Terminus> beats me. i need desktop linux. =P
[05:18] <Jucato> hahaha
[05:18] <Terminus> i find battery performance on my phone average at best. i miss the battery life of my old xda2. =D
[05:18] <Jucato> hell, I miss the battery life of Symbian! :D
[05:19] <Terminus> i'm sick of apps that don't integrate well when i use just a WM so i'm sticking with gnome.
[05:19] <Terminus> i still have my nokia candybar and i get 5 days battery life out of it!
[05:20] <Terminus> i never liked symbian. no matter how well the hardware improved, symbian just felt slow. XD
[05:20] <Jucato> but the battery life makes sure that you'll eventually get there :)
[05:21] <Jucato> mahirap kung mabagal na nga mabukas ung app, low batt pa pagkabukas :D
[05:23] <Terminus> haha. good point. symbian did have good power management. i heard it was a pain to develop for it precisely because of all the stuff they had to do to optimize performance on the hardware available.
[05:23] <Jucato> it was a pain to develop for because it was a pain to develop for
[05:24] <Jucato> hahah
[05:24] <Jucato> better ask loell. he's the symbian dude :D
[05:24] <Terminus> haha
[05:24] <Jucato> it's painful C++ daw
[05:24] <Jucato> from what I've heard
[05:24] <Terminus> i spend too much time looking at all kinds of stuff, i can never settle on just one particular aspect of IT. XD
[05:25] <Jucato> kaya daming huminga ng malalim when Qt was ported :D
[05:25] <Terminus> Qt ftw! \o/
[05:25] <Jucato> hah I know the feeling :D
[05:26] <Terminus> day job means i stare at pretty datacenter hardware and try to get the funds for it. sometimes i gotta code as well. then reddit and steam get in the way. lol
[05:26] <Terminus> at least i rarely go to 4chan.
[05:26] <Jucato> steam?
[05:26] <Jucato> you look at sales all day? :)
[05:27] <Terminus> no, but i have a backlog of 100 games. XD
[05:27] <Jucato> hahaha
[05:27] <Jucato> I actually just installed the steam client this morning
[05:27] <Jucato> it crashes
[05:28] <Terminus> awww... i've only had problems with it on os x. it's been a year and they still haven't fixed the update issues. sheesh...
[05:28] <Jucato> hehe pero ok naman sa side mo?
[05:28] <Jucato> it's no biggie though. all the games there except Civ5 I can download directly (humble Indie bundles)
[05:29] <Terminus> yep. it works fine. i'm a bit wary about buying everything on steam though. it's just the sales that are too tempting!
[05:29] <Terminus> i have one game on origin. dragon age. i got the witcher direct from gog.com. =)
[05:31] <Terminus> so far i've gotten the 2k games, thq, and valve complete packages plus misc games when they drop below $5.
[05:33] <Jucato> yes!! tempting sales
[05:33] <Jucato> kainis hindi ako umabot sa sale ng Portal 2 kahapon
[05:33] <Jucato> 660 pesos na lang. with free DLC
[05:33] <Terminus> awww...
[05:33] <Jucato> kainis smart eh
[05:34] <Jucato> walang SMART wireless center sa Trinoma. down naman ung machine nila sa Festival
[05:34] <Terminus> grrr... i got rid of portal 2 to make way for DX:HR. forgot about the DLC.
[05:34] <Jucato> <-- smart money gamit
[05:34] <Terminus> i only started buying stuff online when my payroll account came with a credit card. XD
[05:35] <Jucato> hahah super dali kasi makakuha ng Smart Money
[05:35] <Jucato> at parang debit card pa
[05:35] <Jucato> so sure akong controlled ko
[05:36] <Terminus> yeah, sometimes it's a PITA when you can't get a credit card because of lack of credit card history.
[05:37] <Terminus> when i first got a card, the bank tried to push a secured card at me. i told them i want a regular card, take it or leave it. they gave me one. XD
[05:41] <Jucato> hahaah
[05:43] <Terminus> grrr... why the heck am i getting a tftp transport error when moving files from the switch to the laptop?!
[05:44] <Jucato> "TFTP Traffic Management brought to you by MMDA"
[05:45] <Terminus> hahaha
[05:45] <Terminus> oh great. winbind decided that it doesn't know my gids. again.
[05:47] <Jucato> O.o
[06:14] <bobjabba> Jucato: yung games discussion niyo are those games for Linux? I didn't know na pwede Steam sa Linux...? Or Windoze ang usapan niyo?
[06:14] <bobjabba> wb term	
[06:14] <bobjabba> terminus*
[06:14] <Jucato> the steam client can run on Wine. some games can run decently on wine too. pero ung mga nabanggit namin specifically, windows lang
[06:14] <Terminus> hello bobjabba =)
[06:14] <Jucato> but the Humble Indie Bundle I referred to, cross platform
[06:15] <Jucato> bobjabba: Term[Tab] para walang typo :)
[06:15] <Terminus> have to clear my winbind cache every 1 to 2 weeks. >_<
[06:15] <bobjabba> Jucato: Yeah, I did term[Tab] but masyado ako mabilis yata naks
[06:15] <Jucato> hahah :)
[06:15] <bobjabba> naka shell acct ako ngayon eh
[06:15] <Jucato> ah ssh lag?
[06:16] <bobjabba> yeah
[06:16] <bobjabba> high-speed kasi ang SmartBroken
[06:16] <Terminus> i got the last humble bundle but i'm not in the mood to get frozen synapse right now.
[06:16] <Terminus> hehe. i refuse to get anything but a wired connection for a fixed installation.
[06:17] <bobjabba> I've read about Humble Bundle via Full Circle...
[06:17] <Jucato> Terminus: frozen synapse + frozen bundle
[06:17] <Jucato> tapos may dinagdag pa sila the other day
[06:17] <Jucato> frozenbyte pala
[06:17] <bobjabba> I'm using a canopy naman but right now I' m on my netbook so wifi ng router ko ang gamit ko. mabagal parin lol
[06:18] <Jucato> frozen synapse + frozenbyte bundle + (just yesterday) SpaceChem
[06:18] <Terminus> Jucato: yeah, but i haven't played much of the last bundle yet.
[06:18] <Jucato> I haven't played anything at all!
[06:18] <Jucato> oh except crayon physics :D
[06:20] <Terminus> i sort of played with steel storm and hammerfight but that was about it.
[06:20] <Jucato> actually ang kulang ko lang ay ung HIB1
[06:20] <Jucato> I got HIB2 through a promo in HIB3 :D
[06:21] <Terminus> oh, now i remember. i got the bundle because of 'and yet it moves'
[06:21] <Terminus> yeah, did the same thing. i got HIB2 from HIB3. =)
[06:22] <Terminus> i got braid and machinarium before they went into bundles. XD
[06:22] <Terminus> oh, and world of goo too.
[06:22] <bobjabba> ayoko magbayad... LOL jk, ayoko muna
[06:22] <Terminus> out of all the indie games out there, i think i still like world of goo best.
[06:23] <Jucato> me too
[06:23] <Jucato> until I got stuck -_-
[06:24] <Terminus> bobjabba: haha. i had the same attitude before till i got a job. now that i can buy games, i don't have the time for them. >_<
[06:24] <Terminus> games rarely hold my attention till the end. world of goo was successful. portal 1 and 2 as well.
[06:25] <Terminus> and mass effect 1 and 2. ugh... i like bioware but i hate that they're under EA. buying games from EA somehow leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
[06:27] <Jucato> hearing "EA" always makes me think of "Sports" and "Harry Potter" :)
[06:31] <Terminus> i dunno. diversity is good. i don't want steam to be the only game available in town. at the same time, the origin store in .ph is more expensive than the one in .us. -_-
[06:33] <Jucato> I like steam for the sales/promos :)
[06:33] <Jucato> gog if the title's there
[06:34] <Terminus> yeah... if i don't mind my credit card, i can end up spending quite a lot on gog.
[06:34] <Jucato> otherwise I actually prefer to buy directly from the developer/studio if they offer it. or actually a boxed copy :)
[06:34]  * Jucato likes seeing titles on his shelves
[06:34] <Terminus> same here. as long as it's as good a deal as those i can find through other distributors.
[06:35] <Jucato> sakin 2 lang disadvantage ng electronic/online copy (like Steam): ang hirap magdownload ng malaki at walang "bragging rights" na makikita sa mga shelves ko :D
[06:35] <Terminus> i don't like boxed copies nowadays. all they do is give you a case with a leaflet inside it.
[06:35] <Jucato> (same with ebooks btw)
[06:35] <Jucato> haha un lang
[06:35] <Jucato> gone are the days ...
[06:36] <Terminus> i don't have much storage space so boxes are more difficult for me now. =)
[06:36] <Jucato> hahah
[06:36] <Jucato> kung sabagay. ako nga rin :D
[06:37] <Jucato> but I'd go out and buy some plastic bookshelf
[06:37] <Jucato> hahaha
[06:37] <Terminus> only reason for me to buy from data blitz now is if i can't wait for a download. buying a boxed copy inevitably seems to be more expensive than buying online. =|
[08:49] <Antrax2000> greetings amigos!
[13:26] <Antrax2000> buenas noches mga Kalinux!