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knightwisemorning everyone05:15
knightwisemsg HazRPG morning !05:33
shaunolol .. morning knightwise05:35
AlanBellmorning all06:37
GirlyGirlmorning!06:42
knightwisemornign AlanBell06:42
knightwisehappy birthday btw AlanBell :)06:42
knightwisewasnt it your bday this week ?06:42
AlanBellnope!06:42
knightwisedarn , my bad06:42
AlanBellhehe06:43
knightwisei thought i saw somethin on facebook06:43
AlanBellmid June06:43
AlanBellPendulum and czajkowski have recently got less young06:43
GirlyGirlknightwise: I'm sure you AlanBell would still like a gift though for his immaginary bday06:43
AlanBellgood thinking GirlyGirl06:44
knightwiseGirlyGirl: he should be so lucky !06:46
AlanBellhttp://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ now accepting pre-orders for Oneiric CDs07:01
popeyAlanBell: worth updating the artwork on that page?07:06
diploMorning all07:07
AlanBelljust about :)07:07
AlanBellwould be surprised if many people noticed the updated artwork, but I will do it. At the moment it just surfaces images from shop.ubuntu.com07:07
popeyahhh07:08
AlanBellin fact, I am lazy, I will wait for the store to do the thumbnailing for me07:09
DJonesMorning all07:25
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j0nrhello everyone07:59
j0nrturning coldafter that little hot spell07:59
j0nrit is October after all08:00
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gordhttp://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/blog/2011/10/04/ubuntu-is-closing-for-the-winter-to-take-a-sabbatical/ oh no!08:18
bigcalmMorning peeps08:20
* bigcalm scratches his head08:22
* DJones offers bigcalm a nit comb08:22
bigcalmTa, but I really just need a wash08:22
bigcalm;)08:22
DJonesThats good news, much healthier08:23
czajkowskiAloha08:30
bigcalmHi08:31
DJonesMorning czajkowski08:32
czajkowskican I just say time sheets are a pain in the arse08:32
JamesTaitHappy Friday, everyone!08:33
DJonesAgreed, thankfully after doing them for 23 years in previous jobs, I don't need to do them in this one :)08:34
gordwait, its friday? wooo08:34
* Laney gets down08:35
DJonesDoesn't Friday just mean its teh start of the overtime weekend catching up on the things people didn't have time to do in the normal week08:38
bigcalmDJones: you've just described my life :(08:38
DJonesHeh, I was going to say "catching up on the things that people couldn't do because they were too busy playing minecraft on works time"08:39
DJonesOh wait, thats me :)08:40
bigcalm:D08:40
DJonesGood job we've got a rubbish computer system that makes me wait for between 30-60 minutes running some reports08:40
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bigcalmUg08:41
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=== AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 20th October 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | Ada Lovelace Day http://findingada.com/
* AlanBell waves danfish in the direction of http://www.ehi.co.uk/events/ehi-live/skunkworks/08:48
kirrusThis is a bit of a silly question.. but does the partition type for swap actually need to be swap (82)? I've always set it so, so never found out!08:48
gordonjcpkirrus: not really08:57
gordonjcpkirrus: it makes it easier for things to "guess" what the partition type is meant to be08:57
kirrusgrand, thanks gordonjcp :)08:58
danfishthanks AlanBell :)08:59
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:17
HazRPGknightwise: morning dude! \o I think you forgot the / in front of that msg :P09:37
brobostigonmorning HazRPG :)09:37
HazRPGAlanBell: Ah, mid june is your birthday... much the same as me then!09:37
HazRPGAlanBell: its great having a summer birthday isn't it :)09:38
HazRPGbrobostigon: morning dude \o09:38
brobostigono/09:38
Myrttiaugust 13th ♥09:38
Myrttialthough recent events have made a part of my oggcamp birthday raffle prize redundant...09:39
bigcalmNot the penguin?!09:40
Myrttino... I just have to give back my laptop09:41
Myrtti:-(09:41
bigcalm:(09:41
Myrttithe axe finally swung for good09:42
davmor2morning all10:07
* czajkowski hugs Myrtti 10:08
TheOpenSourcererSomething for the weekend... http://news.techeye.net/mobile/oxford-uni-puts-the-large-hadron-collider-into-android10:29
jpdsTheOpenSourcerer: Or you could give https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VakjZqso8Ik a try.10:31
BigRedSoooh10:32
czajkowskipopey: nice blog post, clicking from FB open in chrome I get a 404 error as it puts www remove the www and it works. odd10:38
bigcalmpopey: your mod_rewrite rules need correcting in .htaccess :)10:40
popeyugh10:41
popeyhelp me fix it :D10:41
DJonesMyrtti: Just just reading backlog, you share the same birthday as me10:42
bigcalmRewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^popey.com$ [NC]10:44
bigcalmRewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.popey.com/$1 [R,L]10:44
bigcalmTry that10:44
popeyits lighttpd not apache10:44
bigcalmNo idea then :)10:44
bigcalmActually, it'd want to be the reverse as well I guess10:45
* bigcalm goes back to giving mobile devices some love10:45
popeytry now?10:45
gordi'v decided i hate gmails priority inbox, it just collects google+ messages and ignores all my important email10:46
bigcalm40410:46
* popey has deleted the fb post10:47
popeystupid facebook10:47
kirrusgord: really? Mine ignores all my google+ messages :) Maybe google's algorithm just thinks you put more priority on them10:47
bigcalmI have g+ all archived to a folder and bypass inbox10:47
gordi have most of my stuff archived well so i don't really even need priority inbox10:48
* brobostigon doenloads lhsee.10:49
tonytigerI already voted \o/10:50
tonytigerI wanted to vote for czajkowski. You put the candidate you want at the bottom of the list, right?10:50
bigcalmHeh10:51
popey:D10:52
popey11 is bigger so that must be better10:53
popeyI gave everyone 1110:53
davmor2bigcalm: so Steph rang me this morning and so you're aware the lighthouse is available 9-5 not 6 it is open to the cinema at 5:30 so it stops being University property at that point10:53
brobostigonvery nice 3d graphics in lhsee,10:53
DJonesProbably need to be nice to czajkowski, she's going to getting stressed ahead of her 6am date tomorrow10:53
bigcalmAha10:57
bigcalmThat's fine. An early bunk off is something I can cope with10:57
bigcalmdavmor2: cheers10:57
scoundrel50afinally got my Oneiric working on my lenovo laptop, in the end, after a week of not getting the gui to load, and updating via Ctrl+Alt+F1 I added a new user and changed to admin in new user and the Unity finally loaded. Cant get Ubuntu one to synch tomboy notes, really annoying11:02
popeythats a known bug11:02
scoundrel50aah, that is good to know, thanks popey, will stop trying now11:03
davmor2bigcalm: yeah I thought I'd let you know as soon as I did though11:03
bigcalmRally the troops and get more people to come along :D11:03
scoundrel50aits very much like Mac os isnt it, but not quite as much functionality as mac11:03
scoundrel50aI have a macbook pro, and I was surprised at how much like the os Unity is11:04
davmor2bigcalm: Will be11:05
popeyscoundrel50a: it is similar11:05
popeyscoundrel50a: in the same way that other releases are similar to windows11:06
davmor2bigcalm: we got a month of advertising this time rather that 6 days :)11:06
bigcalmHehe11:06
bigcalmThough I think the coffee rounds will get expensive ;)11:06
scoundrel50apopey: Having the mac os, does help with getting used to Unity I think11:06
scoundrel50apopey: it makes more sense11:07
bigcalmI should find out how well Unity copes with 3 screens11:07
scoundrel50apopey: I wasnt getting used to it, until I got the macbook11:07
scoundrel50athis lenovo laptop is amazing, I recommend getting one to anybody11:08
popeywhich model is it?11:08
scoundrel50aG550-611:09
scoundrel50athe cheaper one, but it works well with Unity, and the support is amazing from linux emporium11:09
tonytigerIt looks like a fairly bog standard laptop to me :)11:10
scoundrel50aplus it works with Ubuntu Classic and Gnome, I found out why I lost the window controls with Gnome it was in the settings11:10
scoundrel50abut a better graphics card than I have had till now11:11
scoundrel50aand this had 11.04 and 11.10 preinstalled without windows11:11
Joeb454scoundrel50a: I don't think unity is that much like the OS X dock - the taskbar in Windows 7 groups windows into 1 icon by default too11:11
scoundrel50aI didnt think it was like windows 7 at all, must have missed something, but very rarely use windows at all11:12
MartijnVdSit's very Windows 7y11:12
scoundrel50ajust for updating my phone11:13
MartijnVdSSome games, TV firmware unpacking, updating my Logitech Harmony11:13
Joeb454I think it's the way quite a few UI's seem to be going now11:13
scoundrel50aonce you use it more, it does make more sense, I do like the Classic version though, that is even better11:14
Joeb454I prefer unity, personally. I think that's because one of the features I liked most on OS X is spotlight, but I never really found anything similar for ubuntu...and the windows start menu wasn't the same. Unity manages to do that, and in a nicer way, IMO11:15
ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Pope] Voting in a new Ubuntu Community Council Begins - http://popey.com/blog/2011/10/07/voting-in-a-new-ubuntu-community-council-begins/11:17
scoundrel50ais there support for installing ubuntu on macs? I was wondering about doing that sometime, is it complicated?11:17
directhexdepends on the age of the mac11:19
jpdsscoundrel50a: Well, some stuff might not work; the hardware isn't built to run with Ubuntu.11:19
scoundrel50aah11:19
jpdsscoundrel50a: I once dealt with one that had no wireless detected by Ubuntu.11:20
scoundrel50aoh, that isnt good, I have an ethernet connection, but never use it11:20
jpdsBuy a Thinkpad or something.11:21
scoundrel50aUnity does use the battery up very quickly though11:21
jpdsscoundrel50a: Actually, that's probably more related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/76013111:22
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty" [High,Fix committed]11:22
Joeb454scoundrel50a: I managed to get Natty installed on my Macbook (late 2008), not sure I did it right though, as I screwed the boot on it11:23
Joeb454Apple still have it in for repair now :P11:23
scoundrel50aoh dear, how long has it been in for repair?11:25
Joeb454they said 3-5 days, but they've had it for 10 days now11:27
scoundrel50aI notice that I havent had any bugs appear since logging in today, in 11.10, had a huge update this morning, and the compiz bug stopped showing11:27
scoundrel50ado they normally take that long?11:27
Joeb454no, normally they've been really good. I've had to deal with apple customer relations once before, so I might email them, largely because when I called to ask about it yesterday the guy that answered the phone was quite rude11:29
scoundrel50athat is unusual, I have not had problems with them so far, they have really good.....sorry to hear that11:32
DJonesThis might be of interest to anybody who uses their android phone for book reading http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/07/google_books_app_launches_uk/11:33
scoundrel50aoh, I usually use Kindle, but will have to look out for that11:37
DJonesI use FBReader, but I'll give it a go, review comments don't sound to brilliant for it11:38
scoundrel50abattery running out, have to log off, connector over other siden of room11:41
scoundrel50aby for now11:41
gorddavmor2, remind me about the lighthouse thing again closer to the time, its only half an hour away or so on the train :)12:16
davmor2gord: I thought you were further up north than that12:19
gorddavmor2, crewe, not that far away, but to be honest the rail links here are great, you hop on the fast virgin train and can get anywhere within two hours12:21
davmor2gord: oh man I thought you were much further north than that :)12:22
czajkowskiI have proof davmor2 really wuvs me deep deep down!!!12:26
davmor2czajkowski: I haz proof there is alcohol in this dandelion and burdock12:27
davmor2bigcalm: see the numbers are increasing for the next one already :)12:28
bigcalm\o/12:29
bigcalmAnnounce it to the lists next?12:30
davmor2bigcalm: of course I feel sorry for czajkowski if me, you and gord are all in the same room12:30
bigcalmHehe12:30
bigcalmWe'll be too busy taking the piss out of each other to annoy czajkowski ;)12:31
davmor2bigcalm: I know she won't feel the love at all that's what I mean12:31
bigcalmAh12:32
czajkowskibigcalm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski#Testimonials_about_my_work_in_the_Ubuntu_Community 1st comment davmor212:32
czajkowskisee he wuvs me!12:32
bigcalmczajkowski: sounds like a different davmor2 to me ;)12:33
davmor2bigcalm: I repeat <davmor2> czajkowski: I haz proof there is alcohol in this dandelion and burdock12:34
popeymoooooooooooooooooooo12:34
bigcalmHaha12:34
Laneypopey: you didn't say that emmet is standing again12:34
Laneyps GREETINGS!12:34
popeyoops12:34
popeyyes i did12:35
jussiHow was the pub lunch?12:35
popey<li><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmmetHikory">Emmet Hikory</a></li>12:35
jussipopey: ^^^12:35
Laneyno like this12:35
Laney"Daniel and Lyz are standing again"12:35
popeywell12:35
popeyits tricky12:35
popeywe haven't actually spoken to him12:35
popeyso thought best to add him anyway12:35
Laneyhah12:35
Laneybeen there12:35
popeyjussi: crabbies and a fish finger sandwich12:36
jussipopey: nom?12:36
popeyvery12:36
bigcalmHey Hey W Are Not the Monkees12:38
bigcalmWhat a strange 80s rap track12:38
bigcalms/W/We12:38
* czajkowski hugs davmor2 12:44
davmor2bigcalm: strange 80's rap would be morris major and the minors with the stutter rap12:46
Myrttiwoo, at my apartment ♥12:51
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AlanBellMyrtti: what country are you calling home right now?12:59
popeystupid dput not working behind a stupid proxy13:30
popeybah!13:30
MyrttiAlanBell: whatever where majority of my socks reside13:43
czajkowskipopey: thanks for doing the blog post, we're all using it to share and link to13:44
czajkowskiI've yet to wear socks yet13:44
czajkowskionly then will I admit it's cold13:44
popeyhehe13:46
TheOpenSourcererGreat PR: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/ubuntu-powers-hp-public-cloud/13:47
czajkowskihate wearing socs13:47
czajkowskioh also turns out I've a sprained ankle but didnt notice as taking enough meds for my back not to notice13:47
czajkowskigo me13:47
czajkowskiI am full of fail this week13:47
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czajkowski http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-1521334614:24
bigcalmSo sad14:26
popeyi got home from work yesterday to find some chestnuts on my desk :D14:27
popeythey have huge chestnut trees at the kids school14:27
popeyhmm, the only mp3 on my laptop is nyancat.mp314:29
Joeb454popey: (and anybody else on G+) have you noticed that you'll get the notification either via the phone app or web about 3 hours before the email? Or is that just me?14:30
popeyyes14:30
bigcalmIt appears to be the case, yes14:30
Joeb454I don't know why, but that bugs me. You'd think they'd be able to email you sooner than that14:43
kirrusare the emails batched, contain multiple notifications for the last 3 hours?14:45
kirrusmakes sense if so, to not flood you with emails14:45
davmor2czajkowski: I've told akgraner you're being nice to me publicly she just laughed14:47
* czajkowski goes down on one knee to davmor2 I think you're just great 14:49
davmor2czajkowski: Get up you creep ;)14:50
popeyi see the candidates are being especially nice to everyone14:50
Joeb454kirrus: now you mention it, I think they might be14:52
Joeb454popey: think it'll last long?14:52
davmor2popey: I wouldn't mind but I only said she was gobby14:53
rascal999anyone on BT?15:08
Seeker`for broadband?15:08
rascal999yeah15:09
Seeker`yup15:09
rascal999Seeker`: can you access http://www.newzbin.com ?15:10
rascal999BT were ordered to block it, but i've read no further news15:10
Seeker`err, not on a BT connection at present15:11
rascal999dang15:11
diplorascal999, in news today15:18
diploThey are appealing it15:18
diploSo doubt it will be banned yet15:18
czajkowskipopey: I'm alaways nice to popey on the 1st friday of the month15:30
czajkowskiafter that it's game on15:30
czajkowskiand now I've no Moodoo I've a gord15:30
czajkowskibut I'm gentle with gorl15:30
czajkowski*gord15:30
gordgorl for short15:30
popeyWHAT!?15:31
popeythere's a _pattern_ to this madness!?15:31
gordyeah, but observing it changes it15:32
* popey blinks15:32
* popey likes blinking15:32
bigcalmWeeping Angels like popey15:32
czajkowskiit'll be back to normal come tomorrow15:33
czajkowskiand I shall be back to poking kicking and throttling davmor215:33
czajkowskithen teasing gord about nice foods I have till moodoo comes back15:33
czajkowskisimples15:33
bigcalm*squeek*15:33
czajkowskistupid meerkat add15:38
bigcalmOh dear. My android tablet is telling a website that it's an iPad15:38
* bigcalm sighs15:38
gordmaybe it is an ipad and you are just confused?15:45
davmor2czajkowski: in that case, I may just tie your hair to your chair in preparation for your departure :)15:47
czajkowskihttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1283/detail/ dont forget to register if you're coming along15:47
stuphiAnybody here use a Twinhan USB DVB tuner card with 11.10?16:31
MartijnVdSlet me check the brand on mine16:31
stuphiThis happens with mine:- http://paste.ubuntu.com/704076/16:31
MartijnVdS[532177.990328] dvb-usb: WideView WT-220U PenType Receiver (Typhoon/Freecom) successfully initialized and connected.16:31
MartijnVdSstuphi: Ooh, shiny crash16:32
MartijnVdSstuphi: you'll probably want to report a bug for that16:32
stuphiMartijnVdS: Any suggestion what package to report against?16:32
MartijnVdSstuphi: the kernel, let me find a HOWTO16:33
MartijnVdSstuphi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies16:33
stuphiMartijnVdS: Thanks for that.16:33
davmor2gord: you going to the release party?16:59
gorddavmor2, nope, too far for me17:00
davmor2I still have a horrible feeling that we'll be working on a release then, but I'm still hoping17:00
gorddavmor2, work on release *at* the party17:19
davmor2gord: it's at the cask wifi never works at the cask17:20
gorddavmor2, mobile internet?17:21
davmor2there ahahahahahahahahahaha17:21
gordunless i'm out of the country, i don't even bother using wifi out and about these days17:21
brobostigonterry gilliam, on the one show, :)17:57
AlanBellwaterponies \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-1521533518:07
zleapbrobostigon, no idea who he is18:16
brobostigonzleap: director, and member and animator for monty python.18:17
zleapah18:17
popeyEvening all!18:28
brobostigonevening popey18:28
zleapevening18:28
zleapnot long to go18:28
DJonespopey: Are you now a retired council member now?18:36
* popey puts his feet up18:37
popeyyeah18:37
popey(no)18:37
popeystaying on till newbs are voted in18:37
DJonesheh18:37
DJonesI would have thought the vote would be before your term ended so they'd take over as one term ended18:39
AlanBellDJones: this is still the dreamy oneiric cycle, administrative processes will be precise next time18:41
popeyImpressed that we'll have an installfest three days after release18:49
popeythats brilliant work18:49
zleappopey, i want to do stuff here in South Devon but no one seems to be ever avialbel to help when i mention it on the list19:03
zleapas in dclug list19:03
davmor2czajkowski: Boo!!!19:18
pepitohello all!  I am having some major issues and could really use some help from people who know what the heck they19:45
pepitoare doing19:45
pepitoI bought my laptop from an aquaintance (i wont say friend) who had a friend of hers wipe the hard drive and install his windows vista ultimate on it... problem is I didnt know this and the thirty day registration window ran out19:47
pepitoand when I tried to get the product key from him and enter it, it says the product key has already been used.... anyway long story short, I have decided to go with Ubuntu and would like to install it on my computer19:48
pepitothe problem is that I am accessing the internet through the windows vista "limited access" feature which means it allows me to get on the internet (although it kicks me off every thirty minutes or so)19:49
pepitoand I downloaded ubuntu to my hard drive, but I have noooooo idea how to install it and get an operating system up and running19:49
pepitoI am severely clueless when it comes to IT stuff, and I am really really hoping someone here has a clue how I can install ubuntu from my harddrive19:50
pepitoI am not able to access my USB drive or my CD burner in order to install Ubuntu the way it is explained on the website19:51
pepitoCan anyone give me any good advice?19:51
pepitoanybody there?19:55
Pernigo/ pepito19:57
pepitohi pernig19:57
Pernighowcome you can't access a cd burner?19:57
pepitobecause all that windows vista will allow me to do is access the internet19:58
Pernighmmm19:58
Pernigand USB drives will not show up?19:58
pepitothere si a black screen with a small notice in the corner saying that the version of windows has not been confirmed as genuine19:59
pepitoI can't see or click on ANYthing19:59
pepitoI have the download window open...19:59
Pernigoh dear19:59
Pernigright19:59
pepitosince I just finished downloading ubuntu19:59
Pernigwhen you turn the computer on20:00
Pernigwait until the boot screen goes off20:00
pepitoand I clicked on the downloaded file to try to open it, but it just says that there is no program to open this .iso file20:00
Pernigthen tap F8 a few times20:00
pepitookay .....20:00
Pernigyou will get a dialogue with things like "last known good configuration, repair this computer and safe mode"20:00
Pernigwhat you want is safe mode20:00
pepitookay... taking notes...20:00
Pernigyou _should_ be able to access CDs and USB devices from there20:01
pepitookay,.. that is good to know.... the question I still have is..20:01
Pernigfire away20:01
pepitohow do I get the file from my download file where it is located now into a USB drive?20:02
pepitowill I be able to access the download from this safe mode?20:02
Pernigyou will be able to access the download20:02
Pernigbut you probably won't be able to initiate new downloads20:02
Pernigso download the things you need now20:02
Pernigi would recommend a tool called unetbootin20:02
pepitookay,  unetbootin20:03
Pernighttp://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/20:03
pepitois it pretty intuitive to use?20:03
Pernigit's simple enough20:03
Pernigthat screenshot that you see on the unetbootin homepage20:03
Pernigyou choose the radio button marked 'diskimage20:03
Pernig'20:03
Pernigand press the three dots20:03
Pernigand choose your Ubuntu iso that you have already downloaded20:04
pepitofuriously scribbling notes....20:04
Pernigthen for your drive, choose the USB drive you have plugged in (format this before you run unetbootin)20:04
pepitookay that triggers question20:05
pepitoformating the USB drive involves...? (sorry I am really IT clueless)20:06
Perniggo to the start button in the bottom left20:06
Pernigclick that20:06
Pernigthen click computer20:07
Pernigyour drive will be in the section for 'removeable devices'20:07
pepitowill the start button be there in the "safe mode"?20:07
Pernigor something like that20:07
Pernigyep20:07
pepitook20:07
Pernigthen right click on the drive you want to format20:07
Pernigit brings up a menu20:07
Pernigand format is one of the options20:07
Pernigthere are a few options there but again quite straightforward20:07
Pernigi usually tick 'quick format' or it takes quite a while20:08
pepitookay I think I got it... when I format the USB drive I assume whatever is on it will be deleted?20:09
Pernigyeah20:09
Pernigback up your things first if possible20:09
Pernigthis will also be the case when you install Ubuntu on your computer's internal hard drive20:09
pepitookay20:09
pepitoI really appreciate this by the way20:09
pepitoI mean I REALLY appreciate it20:10
Pernigno prob20:10
pepitocan I pick your brain for just a few seconds longer?20:10
Pernigi think we were all where you are at one stage20:10
Pernigof course20:10
pepitoI made the decision to do Ubuntu partly because of the ridiculous cost of windows 7 and partly because I find Microsoft's methods.... diabolical to put it nicely.... but mostly because I believe in the concept of open source20:11
pepitoI have been reading up on alternative economies, Sacred Economics and etc..... anyway my point is I have a strong desire to work with Ubuntu20:12
pepitoand had already started down this path with OPen office...20:12
pepitothe question comes now...20:12
Pernigok20:12
pepitowill Ubuntu be a functional system?   I mean, open office is great in many ways, but when it comes to interfacing with word users, I find that little details like formatting are slightly different... this20:13
Pernigof course it will be different20:14
Pernigit will feel a little different20:14
pepitosort of sucks when I am sending a resume to a potential employer, for example, and formatting needs to be stable20:14
Pernigthe inner workings are very different20:14
Pernigbut i have found Ubuntu to be very stable20:14
pepitowill it be as functional?20:14
Pernigi would say so20:14
Pernigif not more functional20:14
Pernigthe difference between an OS and a package like openoffice20:14
Pernigyour operating is the only thing that will access your PC20:15
Pernigonce you have it running right, it will stay running right20:15
Pernigno one else is going to look at it from somewhere else and cause an incompatibility20:15
Pernigi know what you mean about the openoffice documents etc20:15
PernigUbuntu has a lot of resources being spent on bugfixing, compatibility etc20:16
pepitoyeah that makes sense.   Honestly just knowing that there is an awesome group of people like this is hugely reassuring.20:17
Pernighave you chosen LTS?20:17
pepitolol  now you really get to see my IT ignorance.   what is LTS?20:17
Pernigsorry20:17
Pernigthe long term support release of Ubuntu20:17
pepitoI believe so.   I think it said something about three year or something like that?20:17
pepitoI didn't know exactly what that meant but it sounded good20:18
Pernig10.0420:18
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Feedback Welcome - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/07/feedback-welcome/20:18
Pernigit's ironic that now you have chosen a 'free' OS, you may well find you get better tech support!20:19
pepitono it looks like I downloaded 11 0420:19
Pernig11.04 is pretty good20:19
Pernighow old is your computer out of interest?20:19
jacobwLTS releases are supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server20:20
pepito_sorry20:21
jacobwwb pepito_20:21
pepito_vista kicked me out mid chat20:21
Pernigdid you get kicked off? :P20:21
pepito_in order to log me off and remind me of the almighty power of MS20:21
pepito_you mentioned the irony of better tech support and I fell off my chair laughing at the truth of it20:22
jacobwit is true20:22
Pernigwe're not a bad bunch20:22
jacobwanyway, you want to intall Ubuntu on your laptop?20:22
pepito_I'd say you're aaaight so far.   yeah I am going to go through and try to read my scribbled handwriting, follow the process that Pernig laid out, and then I will be back in to let y'all know how it went20:23
jacobwassuming the laptop has function USB ports you should be able to make a bootable USB drive to install from20:23
pepito_no idea how long it will take, so if you're not here when I get back.... thanks again.20:23
Pernigno prob20:24
jacobwi haven't read all the exchanges just the original question20:24
Perniglet us know how you get on20:24
Pernigjacobw: i gave pepito a link to unetbootin homepage and showed how to use20:24
jacobwexcellent :)20:25
pepito_will do... I need to download that first of all I think20:25
pepito_oh snap20:25
Pernigit's only a few MB20:25
pepito_can you give me that link again?20:25
jacobwinstall from usb is much faster than CD20:25
Pernigsure20:25
jacobw!unetbootin20:25
lubotu3For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent20:25
Pernighttp://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download20:25
Pernignope20:25
Pernighttp://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/20:25
Pernigwrong glasses :P20:25
pepito_yeah that one20:25
pepito_okay it gives me options to download for windows, linux or mac20:26
pepito_lol20:26
pepito_I assume the windows one?20:26
Pernigyeah20:26
pepito_since I will be using it before I delete windows for ever and ever20:26
pepito_okay20:26
Pernigonce you have Ubuntu on there is a convenient tool built in for making USB installation disks20:27
pepito_okay it is downlloaded.... here goes nothing.20:28
Pernigis the USB device showing up now?20:28
Pernigtoo late haha20:28
Pernigooo new kernel and new version of KDE20:29
Pernigshame about the download size!20:29
* jacobw is a lazy GNOME user20:29
Pernigto be fair, my main desktop activity is almost an _exact_ copy of the unity interface20:30
jacobwat least you'll have a shutdown button :P20:33
Pernighaha20:33
GirlyGirlbye20:51
MyrttiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGFGGGGHGHGHGHGHGHG21:07
MyrttiThe Ryanair.com booking system is currently unavailable due to essential system maintenance.21:07
MyrttiWe apologise for the inconvenience caused by this temporary system outage21:07
MyrttiFAIL21:07
Pernigoh dear21:07
Perniga friend had problems with that21:08
Pernigthe online checking thing21:08
Pernigchecking in*21:08
gordwith the way ryanair is, i'd be surprised if its up for more than a few minutes a day21:09
Andres-kainthinking of going anywhere nice?21:10
Myrttisecond time a charm21:11
Myrttiyeah, UK21:11
Myrttiit's a loverly place I hear21:11
stuphiAnybody know what happened to avidemux in 11.10? It's gone! :-(21:11
Pernigstuphi: maybe there is not a package built for 11.10 yet21:12
pepitoWell guess who is a fresh convert to ubuntu???  Me is, that's who!21:12
Pernigthat was quick!21:12
stuphiPernig: It's getting a bit late, aint it?21:13
pepitoI feel like I am seeing the world in color for the first time!!!!21:13
pepitoyes it was quick, and painless,  thanks to some awesome help21:13
Andres-kaini knew a grasshopper named pepito...21:14
pepitomicrosoft can go play under a bus.   This is awesome stuff21:14
Andres-kainuk is awsome. mysociety is awesome.21:14
pepitoI was once a grasshopper til I learned ubuntu kung fu21:14
Andres-kaindid you completely remove windows or dualbooting?21:15
pepitoI completely removed it.   I saw no point in keeping it around when I would have to buy windows 7 in order to get back in and use it again21:16
pepitoI do have a question already though...21:17
Pernigit's in cases like yours when you realise the value of the freedom of software21:17
Perniga lot of people can't get their head around that part21:17
Pernigpepito: what's your question?21:18
pepitoIn the set up I told it to set the keyboard for US settings, naively thinking I was being smart.... I live in Germanz, laptop is German kezboard, and I am unfortunatelz alreadz adapted to the German kezboard as zou can see21:18
Pernighaha21:18
Pernigi'm not sure i can help you with that one21:19
pepitohow can I go back and tell it to have a german kezboard setting, while maintaining english as the language21:19
Pernigbut i'm sure someone in here can21:19
Pernigyou are using 11.04 right?21:19
pepitolol well anyway it is a small price to pay for such a feeling of freedom.   yes it is 11.0421:20
MyrttiI'd be surprised if there isn't a way in System - Preferences to change the keyboard layout21:21
Pernigi will take a look for you, just need to recompile my virtualbox modules21:21
Myrttiwell, that's atleast it would go in Classic Gnome21:21
Pernigpepito: is there a bar with icons that goes all the way down the left hand side of the screen?21:21
pepitoyes21:22
Pernighttp://www.mygeekopinions.com/2011/05/how-to-change-keyboard-layout-in-ubuntu.html21:23
Pernigok21:23
pepitolol21:23
Pernigif you just press the icon in the top left21:24
Pernigtype control center in there21:24
Pernigthe icon should come up21:24
Pernigit should only change the layout, not the language21:24
pepitoyou know, I can build furniture and hang a door like nobodys business...  I say that to comfort myself as I sit in awe of you guys' prowess in this IT geek stuff21:24
popeythats handy, I hate hanging doors21:25
Pernigtbh you have the aptitude and the right attitude to be able to do it21:25
Andres-kainpepito i swap spanish and english. press the meta key (what was your windows key) and type keyboard21:26
Andres-kainfrom there there are two optios, sadly not at pc now so cant help any further21:27
pepitomy jaw seriously dropped at the meta key function21:27
pepitothat is BITCHIN21:27
Pernigit's very handy21:27
Andres-kainbut you can add another configuration21:27
Pernigif you hold it down you can use keys to go to your favourite programs on the left21:28
pepitoand that was incredibly easy.  I added german, so now I should be able to switch back and forth I assume, right_21:28
Andres-kainand have a hotkey shortcut or an icon on top right to switch. or both21:28
pepitowhoa whoa21:28
stuphiPants! Avidemux has been removed from 11.10 :-( bug 83109621:28
lubotu3Launchpad bug 831096 in avidemux (Ubuntu) "avidemux version 1:2.5.4-0ubuntu7 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83109621:28
pepitohotkeys is techie jargon there21:29
Andres-kainsorry.21:29
pepitolol no I should be apologizing....  I am just to busy gazing at this awesomeness that is my new OS21:30
Andres-kainhotkey for me is using key combinations to do stuff. like alt+ctl+right arrow (or left)21:31
Andres-kainyeah, i never got over the awsomness. it doent go away.21:31
Andres-kainhits me very hard everytime i have to get back to work with windows.21:32
PernigAndres-kain: same21:33
Andres-kainby the way celebrateubuntu videos in youtube channel look very clean and well made.21:33
pepitoI just discovered that I can set up timed breaks, to keep me from getting lost and spending hours on this thing, and it will even lock the screen *but onlz if I want* to enforce it21:33
Pernigfor instance when i want to checksum a download on a friend's computer or do something that i can do very quickly on the command line21:33
pepitoso hotkeys, okay I am getting distracted21:34
pepitoI can program hotkeys for certain functions, sort of like speed dial phone numbers in my cell, is that the concept?21:34
Pernigyes21:35
Andres-kainyes21:36
Andres-kainpress  meta and type compose (i recall)21:36
Andres-kainit will show you what you have.21:36
Andres-kaini would leave defaults21:37
pepitocompose shows no results21:37
Andres-kainalso hold meta a little longer and your icons on the left will show numbers21:37
Andres-kaindang, sorry about that must be another word21:38
pepitoyou mean when I am clicking on it?   tried it, not seeing anything...21:38
Andres-kainsorry again, working from memory and in bed here.21:39
pepitolol no worries21:39
Andres-kainso simple thing... hold meta (the windows key) and number 121:39
Andres-kainthat should open your firfox or whatever you have on the top of the list to the left21:40
Andres-kaintry meta+2,3,4....21:41
Andres-kainis that working for you?21:42
Andres-kainnot very important really i like clicking (not much of a power user)21:42
pepitosorry I left the computer for a second21:43
pepitookay meta key and number one21:43
pepitowait so I click it and press 1?21:44
Pernigjust hold down the meta key itself21:44
Pernigand don't let go until you have pressed a number21:44
pepitooh snap21:44
pepitonow I get it21:45
Andres-kainpress keyboard button with the windows drawing on it.21:45
Andres-kaincool.21:45
pepitothe meta key the meta key21:45
Pernigaye21:45
pepitonow I am up to speed21:45
Andres-kaingreat!21:45
pepitothat is friggin awesome21:45
Andres-kaindo you know about multiple desktops?21:46
pepitono.  should I be sitting down?21:46
Andres-kainwith ubuntu you get 4 for the price of one.21:46
Andres-kainand the first one is free.21:47
Joeb454Andres-kain: you know you can increase that number, right? I have 921:47
pepitolol seriously I can't contain my exuberance here.    There is a beauty in this that money cannot buy21:47
pepitoso what is the benefit of multiple desktops?  how would that work?21:47
Andres-kainyep you can have as many desktops with different apps running on them as you like. by default 421:48
Andres-kaini use only 2.21:48
pepitookay, but why not just have the various apps open on one desktop?   I can run multiple apps on one desktop like I did in windows before, right?21:49
Andres-kainyes21:49
Andres-kainsorry typing on mobile phne.. not too quick21:49
pepitoI am in no hurry21:49
pepitotake your time21:49
pepitoI have tons of questions and lots of excitement21:50
Andres-kainadvantage is you cn have one desktop for worlk another for play21:50
Andres-kainanother for your music...21:50
Andres-kaini didn't make sense of it until i statrs using it21:51
pepitookay it sounds like it is worth learning about21:51
pepitosorry guys I am going to be on here picking your brains until I either fall asleep exhausted and happy or somebody kicks me out21:52
Joeb454pepito: as an example, I currently have 5 workspaces in use - 1 for web, 1 for IRC, 1 for IM, 1 for emails and 1 for music21:52
Andres-kainso on the left-handed colum of icons go to the bottom ther should be some grey dull looking ones21:52
Joeb454it keeps them nice and self contained21:52
Pernigno prob pepito21:52
pepitoevery time a turn around something else piques my curiousity21:52
Pernigi'm not going to bed for another hour yet21:52
Andres-kainclick on the grey ones.21:53
pepitookay andres-kain I am seeing it21:53
pepitoHOLY BATSHIZ21:53
Andres-kainyep.21:53
pepitowhoa whoa whoa21:53
Andres-kainfound it21:53
pepitoYES21:54
Andres-kaini think holding ctl+alt+ arrowkeys cycles through them.21:54
pepitookay that is the coolest thing since Vanilla Ice21:55
MartijnVdS*dun dun dun dundundun dun*21:55
pepitolol21:55
Andres-kainyou can grag windows between the desktops (called workspace)21:55
pepitograg?21:55
Andres-kaindrag*21:55
pepitodrag?21:55
MartijnVdSdrag21:55
pepitook21:55
Andres-kainyes21:55
Andres-kain:)21:56
pepitono kidding.  wow, okay.  when I shut off the computer it all goes back to square one though, right?21:56
MartijnVdSCtrl+Alt+Shift+Arrow = move current window along to new workspace21:56
Andres-kainyou on live usb?21:57
Andres-kainlive cd?21:57
pepitoor can I start it up and already have all four set up with specific intended uses21:57
pepitoif you are asking what I think you're asking, I installed it on my harddrive.   I am a committed user21:58
Andres-kainoh, i get it. you probably can but i do not know how.21:58
pepitoby square one I mean... okay yeah we on the same page21:58
Andres-kainwell done.21:58
pepitoI am going to be shouting about this all over FB21:58
Andres-kainthere is something called start up manager. but i would get to that yer.21:59
pepitoI think I might even go graffitti it on a Microsoft billboard somewhere21:59
pepitowhat is this ubuntu one?21:59
Andres-kaintried that. just gets you into trouble and kills the nice linux brand.22:00
Andres-kainyour cloud (ubuntu one)22:00
Andres-kainand music streamer to your phone22:00
pepitohmmm sounds dreary22:00
Andres-kainand browser sync22:00
pepitois it more for smartphone users?22:01
Andres-kainand ...22:01
Andres-kainnot necesarily22:01
pepitoso you wouldnt reccommend the ubuntu one?22:02
Andres-kainyou use fb right? say you want to share a pdf document22:02
pepitookay...22:02
Andres-kaini really do recomend it.22:02
Andres-kainthe pdf doc is in your hdd but not in internet.22:02
pepitooh oh  you were responding to me graffiti comment.  sorry, sometimes hard to follow the flow of conversation22:03
pepitookay I follow you22:03
Andres-kainyou put file in ubuntu one folder then right click and choose share via url. copy that link22:04
Andres-kainto fb. and all your fb contacts can download it.22:05
Andres-kaindid i explain myself?22:05
pepitoaha okay yes that makes sense even to a slow feller like myself22:06
Andres-kainok. do you know about software centre?22:06
pepitono.  am I going to have another endorphin rush? :)22:07
Andres-kainmore imporantly: do you remember your password? i forgot mine the first time.22:08
pepitoI am also wondering about "empathy messaging" and also questions about email syncing....22:08
pepitoyes password is good22:08
Andres-kainsoftware centre is one of the icons to the left that looks like a shopping bag22:08
Andres-kainfilled with stuff.22:09
pepitoi see it22:09
pepitoit looks like christmas come early22:09
pepitohows it work?22:09
Andres-kainok. if you want to install something go there first.22:10
Andres-kainit is safe, mainained and easier to use than the windows installers.22:10
pepitoinstall something meaning, downloading anything?22:11
Andres-kainjust as easily you can uninstall in the same way.22:11
pepitooh wait okay I see22:11
pepitoyes the windows stuff was kind of a pain in the ass22:12
Pernigit takes care of the downloading for you22:12
Andres-kainyes, and 99% is free of cost.22:13
Andres-kainok you mentioned epifany?22:13
pepitookay22:13
Andres-kainhow are you chatting now? different computer?22:13
pepitoI am browsing through it right now.     I mentioned endorphin rush, close enough to the same thing22:13
Andres-kainweb?22:13
pepitoweb22:14
Andres-kaincool.22:14
Andres-kaininstall a simple game to give it a try.22:14
pepitookay it asks my password, which is cool22:17
pepitonobody can download crap without asking me first22:17
pepitoI like22:17
pepitogot to take off for a second, brb22:17
Andres-kainpepito, i'm going to have to leave you but i want to say a few things: epifany is for chat: irc, facebookchat, googlechat/talk,... gwibber is for facebook, twitter,...22:17
Andres-kainevolution is for email like outlook but a bit easier i think.22:19
Andres-kainonce you have them set up you can access all from top right (notificatio area)22:20
pepitowell I can't thank you enough, all of you.   I am going to be in here quite a bit I think so I will look forward to seeing you around22:20
Andres-kainyou can set it up from there.22:20
pepitookay I will play around and see what I figure out.22:20
Andres-kaini normally use ubuntu-uk mailing list. it is a bit slower but i like it better.22:21
pepitoit is asking me about adding the game to the "launcher".  what is the launcher22:21
Andres-kainenjoy your freedom.22:21
pepitothanks Andres-kain22:22
Andres-kainlauncher is th list of the left22:22
pepitoaha.  okay22:22
Perniglater pepito22:22
Pernigit's nice to hear such a positive first impression22:22
Andres-kainyou can drag and reorder them as you like.22:22
pepitoare you checking out too Pernig?    its nice to finally discover something that can give me such a fantastic experience!22:22
pepitoit might just be the contrast in comparison to Windows experiences, but I think it is the bomb22:23
Pernigaye, gonna jump into bed and switch to the phone22:23
pepitowell I wish all a good night.   I will play around a bit and then climb into bed myself22:23
Andres-kainthe best thing yet to come: update manager22:24
pepitolol22:24
pepitocant wait.   quick question, how is the libreoffice compatibility with my existing word docs?22:24
Andres-kainupdates all your software un one place. and does it for ...22:25
Andres-kaincomparibility is great. even macros.22:25
Andres-kaini am not a power user on any22:25
pepitookay it just keeps getting better22:25
Andres-kainon the plus side librewritter can save to pdf and html out of the box.22:26
Andres-kainunlike word.22:26
pepitocool22:27
pepitoi love how, when I hover over something, an explanation pops up that is actually well written and very easy to grasp even for no knowers like me22:28
Andres-kainohh i have a good one for you then.22:29
pepitolol okay I am sitting down now22:30
Andres-kainif you have audio files and you hover (hover without clicking) over the file icon it plays the audio with out opening a player22:30
Andres-kainhover the mouse i mean.22:30
pepitono kidding?????22:31
pepitoI got to try this22:31
Andres-kainso if it says track3 you quickly know what song it is.22:31
pepitothis is the genius of open source22:32
Andres-kainok love doing this for longer but i wake up at 6 tomorrow.22:32
pepitohey get to bed already22:32
pepitothanks for the tips22:33
Andres-kainglad to help! good night!22:33
pepitosee you around22:33

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